Suggested by EnigmaJ
In this match, two characters who fight by bending nature to their will go at each other– Aang from Avatar The Last Airbender and Edward Elric from Full Metal Alchemist.
Edward can use alchemy for this fight, but Aang access the Avatar State.
Both of them start 100 meters away from each other in Yellowstone National Park.
Who takes this?
The Doctor is still technically the Doctor, but we have a “Who is the best Doctor?” thread, right?
Besides, Aang w/o Firebending, so each side has three bending powers and circless transmutations.
(Haven’t seen past the second episode of Korra, much as I’ve wanted to T~T)
Anyways, whats the argument for Edward here? Debating has gotten so sloppy on this site nowadays I tend to avoid it, I had thought I’d just stop by and make a snarky comment and leave. But after a personal attack like that. I guess I’ll go ahead and debate.
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So then.How is Edward winning this?
@Dr. Doctor
There there, Doctor, it’ll all be better.
(Brings in a couple of Chim-Chims with Pygmy Puffs, just because I can!)
I have to go and watch the entire 1st season of the Legend of Korra, but it’ll probably happen after I read the 1st Codex Alera volume, MAN one of these days I really need a hand to plan out Haseo vs Tavi and make sure I can get both sides correctly.
@ZomB
200 comments isn’t THAT hard to go over, especially when most of how Ed is winning is in the last few dozen posts. In basic, we’re at a stalemate right now, neither is winning.
@Major ZomB
So far, from what we recalled, Ed has more immediately lethal AoE attacks, and he’s also confirmed to be more naturally smarter than Aang barring the regards of Aang’s past lives, to boot.(Because if we have to regard past lives in general, we may as well note on Haseo’s past life, or that of Rand al’Thor of Wheel of Time!-fame, or even some of the versions of Link, for that matter!)
Shall I add more, or must I let Dr. Doctor or the other FMA buffs do the honors?
@Dr. Doctor
Couldn’t have said it better myself, Doc.
“Besides, Aang w/o Firebending, so each side has three bending powers and circless transmutations.”
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Would have to further handicap since Korra knows airbending. Also if she went into Avatar state she would have Aang’s memories.
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“So then.How is Edward winning this?”
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Cannons I think or metal stuff. Anyway I still thing wrapping the air around Ed to keep him from touching stuff and attacking him like that either with another element/more airbending or flinging him around would work for Aang.
So Korra knows Airbending? Then could we let Aang have firebending back?
No Avatar State/No Philosopher’s Stone condition, much like for this match, sounds good, too.
@Atomic Lowk
Is there Canon(Pun Intended!) that states when Ed Elric learned how to make Cannons?
@Cross:
He makes tons of them.
@Dr. Doctor
But are these Cannons CANON? XD’
Get it?
“Cannons I think or metal stuff. ”
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And has he been shown to use these as opening attacks? From what I have seen this like almost every debate on this site nowadays has completely failed to touch on CIS. Instead assuming these characters will completely fight out of character. Aang will almost certainly incapacitate his opponent as soon as possible as it is his style.
I get it.
I read the whokoe thread but a coupleof things.
“Just because the wind, (causing no physical damage to the tank at all) FLIPPED the tank. Doesn’t mean it’s going to cause major, or even a little damage to Ed.”
Ang’s output for air is ridicoulous did you see the fight with jet it showcased his bending, evasion, and close combat skills. He beat Jet with hurricane volecity winds.
Another ability i didn’t see in the thread was him using toph’s techinique to “see” He predicted Ozai’s moves and dodged with little effort.
PS don’t bring Korra in if you watched both series kid ang vs korra korra wins. She’s more violent and creative with bending and she has one nasty temper.
@therealbs
Perhaps a straight-up Aang vs Korra match should be posted to put that to the test.
“So far, from what we recalled, Ed has more immediately lethal AoE attacks”
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Pretty much any element can be immediately lethal. Fire is fire. Earth and water can make spikes from anywhere they are with a step or wave, can act as a projectiles, he could sink Ed into the ground and squeeze him or freezing him in water. Offensive airbending blast to the head could probably kill him as well.
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How hot is the water in geysers. Maybe he could use that as a boiling attack from underneath.
“Aang and Ed vs Harry Potter anyone?”
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Ed beat Harry alone. What makes you think Harry wins this time? Unless he has a time-turner.
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““Aang and Ed vs Korra and Al?””
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Hand to hand, Al usually beats Ed.
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“Probably Ling. Considering what he currently is.”
Ling no longer has Greed inside of him.
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Avatar: Last Airbender vs Full Metal Alchemist.
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“But… Korra technically is Aang.”
Wasn’t it stated before that Avatars can call upon the knowledge of past Avatars?
It’ll be like an Ed vs Al with Aang and Korra fighting to a stalemate in their Avatar forms.
“he could sink Ed into the ground and squeeze him”
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An opening attack Aang has actually exhibited.
“Another ability i didn’t see in the thread was him using toph’s techinique to “see” He predicted Ozai’s moves and dodged with little effort.”
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Thought I brought that up already.
@Major ZomB
Except…lately way too many times over people have taken that problem out of context and done a craptacular job at mending out this problem in the wrong manner.(Not the Admiral, mind you on him, he and the Doc always knew what the hells they’d do, but everyone else in general?I fear the trust issues run worse than we realized!)
And in such a manner that not even a deconstruction of a deathmatch could fix, either, let alone several, for that matter. T_T’
“Avatar: Last Airbender vs Full Metal Alchemist.”
I like this idea.
@Dr. Doctor
So do I.
Hopefully things might look up for the FMA side in a universal war, this time, although…if they can’t get through the Avatar-verse, I think they’re gonna get migraines if they got to fight against Codex Alera, even barring the Vord, themselves!
““Avatar: Last Airbender vs Full Metal Alchemist.”
I like this idea.”
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Legend of Korra would probably be better. More showing of an organized military. More equal on a technological level.
Korra full power no Avatar state vs Aang full power no Avatar state.
Fullmetal Alchemist vs Avatar Legend of Korra (fuck James Cameron, Avatar The Last Airbender came before his stupid fucking movie)
@Doc
Legend of Korra might be a better era, but again if FMA can’t get through either era, I’d shudder on the thought of vs. Codex Alera(barring the Vord, like #222 says!), really.
@Cross
One word:
Father.
@Zomb
Don’t start a fight, thx
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Has this thread devolved into a VS matchup?
Ed tends to attack first with an assault of spikes or a really large hand.
He too wants to incapacitate his opponent as fast as possible.
The cannons would probably be a second or third attack.
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“Is there Canon(Pun Intended!) that states when Ed Elric learned how to make Cannons? ”
Read the earlier posts.
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“Anyway I still thing wrapping the air around Ed to keep him from touching stuff and attacking him like that either with another element/more airbending or flinging him around would work for Aang.”
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Simple tactic for Aang: keep Ed from touching him or the ground.
With this, the most Ed can do is convert his clothes into Kevlar or carbon fiber or something that would protect him from Aang’s attacks.
And perhaps his leg into a machine gun a la Scotsman.
He’ll need to work fast though. With 100 meters between themselves at the start of the match, it would be difficult for him to get close enough to throw Ed into the air (correction is highly appreciated).
@Dr. Doctor
Father, no doubt, will be one of the most major among the FMA heavy-hitters against either Avatar era, no doubt, although I have to wonder on vs Codex Alera, should it ever come down to the matter.
Killing someone like Father is a pain to do, as unless I misrecalled something, he’s kind of like Hellsing’s Alucard in terms of how many times you gotta kill that thing.(A job I’d leave to Post-Deathbringer Skullhead, at that, if he can get through Hellsing’s Pre-Schrodinger Alucard, that is!)
“(fuck James Cameron, Avatar The Last Airbender came before his stupid fucking movie)”
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lol, you repeated, verbatim; what I was thinking about that.
@Atomic Lowk
I could do a vs match thread back at the VMA for FullMetal Alchemist vs either Avatar Era, if you ask.
Meantime, is this match a deadlock as it stands?
@Draco
“Has this thread devolved into a VS matchup?”
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…….Isn’t that what it was in the first place?
Avatar: Legend of Korra and Fullmetal Alchemist vs Last Exile, seasons 1 and 2.
“…….Isn’t that what it was in the first place?”
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@Lowk:
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@Hermit:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnAAgxKap-4
Replace “Protocol 10″ with “Last Exile”.
@Shgon
This is a very ironic predicament, in fact.
How do we get more Epic Irony than that?
@Dr. Doctor
I could imagine people using that vid for Tenchi Masaki vs Sephiroth, if it helps, as they probably never heard of the incident, either.
@Major ZomB
While we might need more people to debate it out with, for both sides, there’s an incredibly light-hearted matter that everyone including you may take a look at, if you wish.
This baby in Nodoka Miyazaki vs Hinata Hyuuga, is by far the most lighthearted match of the year to ever exist, yet not too many people arrived to it, why?
Its the least depressing, least hostile-spawned, least grief-fueled, even least badly-circumstanced match to ever exist.(in fact, most of the circumstances behind this match are beautiful in themselves!)
More matches like this would be nice.
“Don’t start a fight, thx”
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You accused me of trolling. I’m not sure you’re remembering these events how they happened, so heres a recap. I never said anything to you til you decided to get butthurt over a joke. Lowk and likely everyone else saw it as such, but not you, nah, you had to complicate things and take it seriously.
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“He’ll need to work fast though. With 100 meters between themselves at the start of the match, it would be difficult for him to get close enough to throw Ed into the air”
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In his battle against Ozai, he is shown throwing boulders at least that far with expert accuracy, his firebending in the opening was probably that range as well. Though it can be discounted due to Sozin’s Comet. When dodging Ozai’s lightning he covers at least such a distance in seconds.
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“@Draco
“Has this thread devolved into a VS matchup?”
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…….Isn’t that what it was in the first place?”
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Not many matches on here have been for a good long while. At least not that anyone could take seriously.
@Shgon
You know what I mean… and ment -_-
@Major ZomB
Why is the current fight in here so Badass?
If they start 100 meters from each other and are fighting to the death, Aang could just draw the boiling water of Yellowstone into a giant wave and send it at Edward. I doubt the latter is capable of dodging a large column of water that shifts to follow him. The water doesn’t even have to be boiling; once it is wrapped around Edward, all Aang has to do is compress it.
This would be by far the most efficient route, in my opinion. It offers the benefit of protection from a foe Aang doesn’t know much about. It also allows him to kill quickly without getting too personal. What would Elric do to counter this?
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Did you know there is a place in Yellowstone where you can catch a fish, put it on a stick, turn 180°, and cook it in the boiling water? Pretty cool.
@ Soulerous
Transmute a metal/carbon fiber dome?
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“Did you know there is a place in Yellowstone where you can catch a fish, put it on a stick, turn 180°, and cook it in the boiling water? Pretty cool.”
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Cool.
“Transmute a metal/carbon fiber dome?”
-A dome would have to be bolted to the ground or have a bottom to be an effective shield in this situation. If it doesn’t have a bottom, Aang can cause spikes to shoot up from the ground, or just raise the ground and crush Elric against the roof, with only a single quick motion. If it does have a bottom, Aang is free to firebend the dome until his opponent is toasted.
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Either way, it leaves Elric a sitting duck, and if he doesn’t die immediately after transmuting a protective dome, he will eventually need to emerge, which puts us back at round 1. Except Aang will see Elric the moment he comes out, and the latter will take more time to find his opponent due to him not possessing X-ray vision. that puts Aang ahead in the game, especially since he will most likely have water in frozen form situated all around whatever shield Elric may have transmuted.
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What else might happen?
Has Aang ever started a fight against a single person he doesn’t know much about with giant killer death moves like you describe?
@Dr. Doctor
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Has Ed ever started a fight by putting himself inside a metal Sarcophagus like you describe?
@Shgon:
Do two wrongs make a right?
“Let he who is without OOC cast the first stone”
My feeble mind does not understand the comment. :’(
@Dr. Doctor
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“OOC” is something you see a lot in fanfiction, it means “Out Of Character”.
I understood the OOC part, I roleplay on occasion. Thank you, though. The saying itself, though: “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone,” doesn’t make sense to me.
@Dr. Doctor
Aang seems to be a bit overkilly going by Ozai when he managed to get ahold of a lot water.
@Lowk:
Small difference between Ozai and Ed: Ozai is the person Aang was conditioned the entire series to take seriously. Ed’s a shorty who Aang knows has some sort of weird ‘bending’ powers.
@Dr. Doctor
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Not exactly an expert, but I think it’s said to a crowd of people about to stone someone(as in toss stones at them until their dead) .
@Shgon
That makes sense. Thank you.
@Dr. Doctor on #246
Unless you’re talking World War 2, apparently not.
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On #250:
I tend to do likewise, sometimes to keep my summonings in check so I don’t go all haywire on someone.
@Dr. D
When he does get the notion for violence he does tend to go overboard like the giant wasp, those sand people’s boat, when Zuko asked him to kill him if he ever thought he was becoming his father Aang mode of exectution was going to go Avatar State when he thought he might fufill it.
“Has Aang ever started a fight against a single person he doesn’t know much about with giant killer death moves like you describe?”
-Aang has never aimed to kill someone before. And the best part is, it’s not necessarily a killer death move, as you say, but first and foremost an excellent and easy way to completely subdue an opponent while at the same time providing protection from an unknown quantity. A controllable giant wave of water. Think about it.
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Aang is aiming to kill someone in an area where water is abundant. I think he’d do it.
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“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
-Well, that’s what Jesus said. To that group of people who wanted to stone a lady who was caught committing adultery. Basically, he was making a point that people shouldn’t condemn others for their mistakes when they have made mistakes themselves. A very good lesson, in fact. Then it was expounded upon when Jesus didn’t cast a stone despite the fact that he was without sin. Justice isn’t perfect without mercy. Anyway…
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“When he does get the notion for violence he does tend to go overboard”
-I think it’s simply because he doesn’t like violence to begin with. He wants to get it over with. He’ll hold back so that he doesn’t kill people, but still tries to end it quickly.
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If Aang has to kill someone, he’s going to go all-out and finish it quickly.
What do we have for Ed to finish things quickly?
I guess it comes to the one that finish things more quickly.
They only way Ed can finish this quick is to first transmute the ground into a large array then use the array to transmute Aang into his base components.
kind of a long shot but I don’t think Aang has a defense against this.
Quick-Draw session time?
Don’t 90% of these sessions tend to suck horrifically?
“kind of a long shot but I don’t think Aang has adefense against this.”
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What about earthbending the ground its on and messing it up? Or air scooter, that has been used to give Aang floatingcapabilities and even on the ground it would sevre to keep him from touch the array
Tech/Mecha some of Aangs feats are the fact tbat he can airbend waterbend earthbend and firebend. but most importantly when someone hits him on his back the he can bend all of those elements at the same time
“most importantly when someone hits him on his back the he can bend all of those elements at the same time”
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Actually after the battle with Ozai he can turn it on when he wants like the previous avatars.
@ offtopic discussion of Full Metal Alchemist vs Avatarverse, Full Metal STOMPS.
Father, Hohenheim, Pride, and possibly Colonel Mustang each by themselves solo Avatarverse. Greed could maybe take out Avatarverse but that’s pretty iffy and Wrath ranks up there too although a concentrated attack from a ton of Avatar heroes could land a hit on him which due to a lack of healing factor could kill him. Then you’ve got piles upon piles of other characters who could themselves take on some of the strongest Avatar characters… it is no contest.
Anyways, back on topic, I don’t know if in a prolonged fight anything is “OOC” for Edward. If there’s a weakness the enemy has, he’ll find it eventually. He’s sort of like Batman in that respect.
@Potatochip
So FMA stands a chance against Codex Alera(barring the Vord, themselves) potentially, right?
Back to the matter at hand:
Looks like it could go either way at the moment.
I don’t know what Codex Alera is, sorry.
@Potatochip
There’s the match with the Seanchan of Wheel of Time vs the Alerans from Codex Alera, you might wanna go ahead and check it out.
@potatochip
Amon and his father could probably take on most of what FMA could offer. Except Father, he’d be alot harder to take on. Also an earth/metal bender or a team could probably take on Roy, one step could shove a spike through him while he tries to snap. Or use metal on his body like thr S.A. watch an weapon like magneto.
Should say
Or use the metal on his body like the SA watch as a weapon like magneto.
“Amon and his father could probably take on most of what FMA could offer.”
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I’m not sure, but I think that there’s WOG that says that Bloodbenders could just crush internal organs if they wanted too(Not something that’s ever going to happen in the show, obviously.
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Amon can Bloodbend with his mind…..
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If true, it makes Bloodbenders the best benders at killing people by a long shot.
“Either way, it leaves Elric a sitting duck, and if he doesn’t die immediately after transmuting a protective dome, he will eventually need to emerge, which puts us back at round 1.”
Ed uses Aang as a sacrifice for human transmutation. He’d have to make a really large circle though, in case Aang tries to escape.
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Ed isn’t stupid enough to go out without preparing something beforehand. He’d probably suit up in an armor made out of carbon fiber (the near-indestructible material of northern weather automail) or bind his soul to an armor made out of carbon fiber.
He’s also a trapmaster and is an expert of using what’s in his environment to his advantage.
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A giant wall of water would be decomposed to its base components and ignited. It’s not so much as a problem for Ed, who’s survived explosions like that unharmed, as it is for Aang.
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Ed is no stranger to decomposing things.
www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v018/c072/19.html
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“Has Ed ever started a fight by putting himself inside a metal Sarcophagus like you describe?”
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No, he starts by putting his opponent in a concrete sarcophagus (he tried this with Paninya, who was able to escape)
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“What about earthbending the ground its on and messing it up? Or air scooter, that has been used to give Aang floatingcapabilities and even on the ground it would sevre to keep him from touch the array”
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Ed can actually transmute something from some distance away, and also able to control his transmutations to an extent.
www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v005/c017/25.html
www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v005/c017/26.html
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Off topic, but Al can be scary if he wants to be.
www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v018/c072/15.html
Sorry, no, Amon and his father don’t stand a chance against Father, Hohenheim, or Pride.
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They might be able to defeat Mustang if they got close enough before he was aware of them and then bended him, or one acted as a distraction while the other snuck up, then perhaps they could win. In an open field, Mustang would explode both their heads before they got close enough to use their bending.
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As for the other three, they have healing factors and can attack with a thought as well, and their capabilities are much more devastating.
Father and Hohenheim can both instantly transmute with their minds to an EXTREMELY devastating degree, not to mention Father can cripple opponents and steal their souls with a hand gesture. Both have extremely powerful healing factors.
Pride can spy on and attack enemies from miles away, I don’t know the exact distance, but it has some preset radius away from his “vessel” (I don’t know if a number is ever given, but the radius seems to be some amount under half the distance of the entire country the story takes place). He could probably kill most of the Avatarverse before they even knew who they were dealing with. He also has an extremely powerful healing factor, and can quickly from multiple angles with his shadows again using his mind.
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I’m completely ignoring when Father has “the ultimate power”, because if you’ve seen the conclusion of FMAB or I assume the manga shows it too, you know what I’m talking about.
www.hulu.com/watch/161004
Jump to 2:40. Enough said. He doesn’t really even need that degree of power though.
“I’m not sure, but I think that there’s WOG that says that Bloodbenders could just crush internal organs if they wanted too(Not something that’s ever going to happen in the show, obviously. ).”
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Is there any ‘Contact us” button on the Nick website?
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I’d love to see an army of Elite Benders face off against an army of State Alchemists.
Both groups backed up by gun-toting soldiers looking incredibly awesome.
“Pride can spy on and attack enemies from miles away, I don’t know the exact distance, but it has some preset radius away from his “vessel” (I don’t know if a number is ever given, but the radius seems to be some amount under half the distance of the entire country the story takes place). He could probably kill most of the Avatarverse before they even knew who they were dealing with. He also has an extremely powerful healing factor, and can quickly from multiple angles with his shadows again using his mind.”
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Pride can only do this on locations that the Homunculi have created, such the the nationwide transmutation circle tunnels and on Central. Otherwise, his shadows can only go so far from his vessel.
So whether or not the Avatar universe fight fight off the FMA universe, might depend on whether or not we’re going with a specified Avatar Era(either the time of the Last Airbender, or the Time of the Legend of Korra if we had to pick one, Composite!-era would be tricky without a doubt!) for such a match, right?
“Pride can only do this on locations that the Homunculi have created, such the the nationwide transmutation circle tunnels and on Central. Otherwise, his shadows can only go so far from his vessel.”
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That makes sense. I wasn’t fully getting the scene where Pride was chasing Hohenheim in the tunnel. Hohenheim was making some speculation, but I was thinking it was because Pride wanted to save him for a sacrifice, so he merely scared him out of the tunnels.
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“I’d love to see an army of Elite Benders face off against an army of State Alchemists.”
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Without any of the most powerful heroes on either side, it could be a pretty epic battle.
A wave of water can be ‘deconstructed’ by Ed as it comes by him.
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In truth, two of Aang’s four move sets can be countered by deconstruction and then used against him.
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The other two are useless against Ed’s Carbon fiber shielding or defensive moves such as walls of rock or metal.
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Nearly all of Aang’s moves cant even reach Ed, and even if it did none of Aang’s moves are NEAR hypersonic like he is. This is mostly a stalemate unless one of them can pull a fast one on the other, and who’s more likely to do so?
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That’s right, Ed…
” “A wave of water can be ‘deconstructed’ by Ed as it comes by him.”
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You mean like mist, I recall someone doing mist. Just like to point out waterbenders can change the state and control them. Ice could become water, water into mist, stuff like that. So the water could still be in play.
Earth really depends on how thorough its destroyed. I recall bit and pieces still remaining even after something is deconstructed. So he may still be able to work with that like a rebound attack.
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“The other two are useless against Ed’s Carbon fiber shielding or defensive moves such as walls of rock or metal.”
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Walls of rock would useless since Aang could just cause it to crumble from a distance or by punching through it. Also earth bending wouldn’t have to “go through” anything.
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“Nearly all of Aang’s moves cant even reach Ed”
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If he’s standing on the ground, if there’s air around him, water or fire left over on the field where Ed is either by Aang or natural(like geysers) then Aang as a direct line to where he’s standing.
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“and even if it did none of Aang’s moves are NEAR hypersonic like he is.”
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Since when is Ed even near hypersonic? Bradley is probably one of the fastest characters and iirc the most he’s shown would was in the supersonic range. Ed didn’t even register one of his slashes.
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“This is mostly a stalemate unless one of them can pull a fast one on the other, and who’s more likely to do so?”
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Aang could trap him in air or suck him off the ground with a mini tornado. Take a step and launch him up of the ground with earthbending. Blanket the ground with water and freeze it so he either catches Ed frozen or keeps him from even getting a footing and keep him away from earth.
Honestly people are overestimating Ed’s ability to defend himself.
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He puts himself in to a metal Sarcophagus?
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Aang shoots it 20 feet into the air with earthbending, he dies in his well named box when it lands.
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He makes the ground a giant slab of metal?
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While he’s doing that, Aang picks him up with airbending, then slams him into a convenient giant slab of metal, killing him.
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Ed can only do so much at a time, and nothings going to defend against all bending, and still leave him actually able to attack Aang.
And him relaying on deconstructing attacks, isn’t a fight he wants to get into with someone who can throw four different kinds of attacks at him faster them he can clap his hand.
“You mean like mist, I recall someone doing mist.”
I think he means the sort of thing Scar does. Ed describes it as doing the first half of alchemy (basically disintegrating something into particles of its base elements), and then simply not reassembling them like you would with normal alchemy.
If memory serves, that is.
I don’t think Edward would transmute the battlefield to begin with. After witnessing earthbending, that’s another story.
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Turning a wave of water into hydrogen and oxygen is a fair move, but it would leave Edward open to attack. Aang would most likely bend a blast of air at him, which he would have to dodge. Then Aang would cause a spike of stone to emerge from the ground right under Edward. Maybe the air part would even be skipped.
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In essence, Aang can throw out too many incapacitating and lethal attacks too fast and too easily for Edward to last long. He won’t be holding back in this fight, only aiming to end it as soon as possible.
“You mean like mist, I recall someone doing mist.”
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No, if you remember Mustang when he decomposed water into hydrogen and oxygen, it’s similar. Then he ignites this to create an explosion.
Aang would have to shield himself or run away to avoid the blast, and he would return to find Ed gone (most likely escaping using one of the vehicles EnigmaJ provided), and the entire battlefield booby-trapped.
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EnigmaJ’s statement, post 50.
“Edward starts off by the Grand Loop Road by National Park, with vehicles occasionally passing by. And as I indicated in the OP, Aang starts off 100 meters away, somewhere within the wilderness.”
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“Aang would most likely bend a blast of air at him, which he would have to dodge.”
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He would be formulating and doing counterattacks while dodging. Or throw a walll of rock that transforms into a wall of cannons.
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“and even if it did none of Aang’s moves are NEAR hypersonic like he is.”
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Ed’s never been supersonic, only his reaction time is at superhuman levels. Everything else is on olympic human to peak human.
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“While he’s doing that, Aang picks him up with airbending, then slams him into a convenient giant slab of metal, killing him.”
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Ed transmutes the ground, then sends the transmutations to Aang. he can control his transmutations to an extent.
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“Ed can only do so much at a time, and nothings going to defend against all bending, and still leave him actually able to attack Aang.”
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Same goes for Aang.
And he can also transmute from some distance away.
Proof of everything I’m saying has already been posted before.
Apologies.
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With EnigmaJ’s post, the entire battle has been turned upside down.
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Now, there are innocent bystanders, and both Aang and Ed are the sort of people who DO NOT want anyone killed.
@Hermit: Except Aang can bend away explosions.
Retract my earlier statement.
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Ed would never, ever use his most powerful attacks when there are civilians around (the “vehicles occasionally passing by” part). Which means the “blow up the entire battlefield by turning it into gunpower” strategy is out.
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Now I can’t predict what will happen.
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I can see Ed beginning with his usual “spikes of doom moving towards you” routine, which Aang will counter by flying and blasting Ed with an air attack/wall of rock.
Ed would either dodge and transmute hands to try and grab Aang, or simply transmute hands to block the attack and still grab him.
Both of them would be holding back for fear of hurting bystanders.
At this point, it’s anyone’s game, with Aang able to create wave after wave of air/water/earth/fire attacks at Ed, with Ed blocking them with his transmutations and likely unable to fight back because of the sheer number of attacks.
This is where experience will come in hard. The first one of them to figure out the weakness of the other, Ed can’t do transmutations without clapping or a circle and Aang unable to metal-bend, would be the game-breaker.
“Both of them would be holding back for fear of hurting bystanders.”
-Agreed.
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“At this point, it’s anyone’s game, with Aang able to create wave after wave of air/water/earth/fire attacks at Ed, with Ed blocking them with his transmutations and likely unable to fight back because of the sheer number of attacks.”
-Also agreed, although I think there are attacks Aang is capable of that Edward would have trouble blocking in time, and there are some things I do not know how he would block effectively. Keep in mind, the elements are malleable. I see no defense from a pillar of stone rupturing from the ground beneath Ed.
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“Ed can’t do transmutations without clapping or a circle and Aang unable to metal-bend, would be the game-breaker.”
Clapping with each transmutation is immediately noticeable, and is a weakness very easy to take advantage of. But then, with Aang flinging around fire, air, water, and stone, thus having plenty to work with, there is very little chance that him not controlling metal would catch Ed’s eye, especially considering any metal would have to be transmuted in the first place. Even then, it doesn’t offer a huge advantage.
@ Soulerous
One hell of a match this is, eh?
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“I see no defense from a pillar of stone rupturing from the ground beneath Ed.”
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There’s always transmuting it, but I think simply jumping away is more effecttive.
It also goes for Aang though. Large flaming cars gunned in his direction and/or artillery rounds are rather difficult to block effectively. Better just dodge when you can.
I would think that Ed can’t do anything if Aang airbends Edward so he’s in midair. Then Aang could just shoot fire, water, or throw giant rocks at him.
I have no idea where one would track it down, but in some Vs or another, I remember something about a WOG that the visible effects of airbending were for the audience’s benefit.
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If true(and that’s a big IF), that would help Aang a lot.
Regularly, Edward makes a weapon to use (spear):
anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/001/001/045/
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Edward’s automail can tank iron cutting claws (w/o a scratch):
anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/001/001/046/
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Pretty good reaction time and transmutation speed feat(reacting to bullets):
anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/001/002/009/
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Strength of Ed and his automail sword (cut through metal):
anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/001/002/023/
anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/001/002/024/
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Controlling his transmutations(make statue punch):
anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/001/002/029/
anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/001/002/030/
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Cannon making:
anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/001/004/024/
This is one of the best match-ups in the past couple of months.
“One hell of a match this is, eh?”
-Oh yes, I am quite enjoying it.
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“There’s always transmuting it, but I think simply jumping away is more effecttive.”
-It’s not really the kind of thing you can dodge or transmute though, as it happens very fast. I can’t find a video on youtube though, so maybe I’ll get you one later.
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“I would think that Ed can’t do anything if Aang airbends Edward so he’s in midair. Then Aang could just shoot fire, water, or throw giant rocks at him.”
-A likely and probably effective tactic. If Aang just launches Elric into the air, he can fry with with fire all the more easily.
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“I remember something about a WOG that the visible effects of airbending were for the audience’s benefit.
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If true(and that’s a big IF), that would help Aang a lot.”
-I tend to think it would have to be true. Movement does not grant air any more visibility than it has normally. The only reason tornadoes are visible is because of the dirt and debris that they pick up.
@Tarbel
“Pretty good reaction time and transmutation speed feat(reacting to bullets):”
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That’s more “reacting to someone transmuting, aiming, and than firing a gun” than “reacting to bullets”.
Who is winning so far?
@Hermit: The pillars and spikes benders can make are pretty much instantaneous, and Ed has no defense against fire.
“I have no idea where one would track it down, but in some Vs or another, I remember something about a WOG that the visible effects of airbending were for the audience’s benefit.”
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I found an in-univesre example of it being unseen if that helps. Its from when Aang knocked Toph out of the ring.
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“I’m telling you, The Boulder was standing right there. I saw the kid strike, but there was no earthbending. Nothing made contact. The Blind Bandit just fell out of the ring. She must’ve took a dive and split the money with the kid.”
-The Boulder, from “The Blind Bandit”
@Atomic Lowk
““I’m telling you, The Boulder was standing right there. I saw the kid strike, but there was no earthbending. Nothing made contact. The Blind Bandit just fell out of the ring. She must’ve took a dive and split the money with the kid.”
-The Boulder, from “The Blind Bandit””
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I think that works.
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So the question is, how is Ed going to transmute an attack he can’t see coming?
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And then the next one?
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And then the one after that?
“That’s more “reacting to someone transmuting, aiming, and than firing a gun” than “reacting to bullets”.”
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anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/001/002/009/
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If you see the scan, the guy starts shooting at the shadows of the Elric brothers, with Edward seemingly not transmuting yet, at the most, clapping his hands together. The gun’s being fired already too.