Suggested by EnigmaJ
In this match, two characters who fight by bending nature to their will go at each other– Aang from Avatar The Last Airbender and Edward Elric from Full Metal Alchemist.
Edward can use alchemy for this fight, but Aang access the Avatar State.
Both of them start 100 meters away from each other in Yellowstone National Park.
Who takes this?
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First, and I’m favoring Edward to win, but can’t be sure. I’m interested to hear about some Aang feats, cause I don’t know very much about the last avatar series.
Is this Aang at his peak? Because in the flashbacks shown in Legend of Korra Aang looked insanely powerful. But I don’t know much about Edward, so I’ll wait and see.
“Is this Aang at his peak? Because in the flashbacks shown in Legend of Korra Aang looked insanely powerful. But I don’t know much about Edward, so I’ll wait and see.”
This for me. Also, does that say Aang can’t use the Avatar State?
Ed can only use alchemy when he’s connected to what he’s changing, right? My bet is for Aang, seeing as he has near-flight ability, and can probably bend back what Ed throws at him.
I think it’s saying Eddy can use alchemy, but Aang can use the avatar state.
Here is a fight between Aang and a Bloodbender, just thought I would throw this out there:
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFv4PEkBzYA
Will Ed have the/a Philosopher’s Stone?
I loved that fight, however small it was.
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Avatar State gives Aang the memory of his predecessors, yes? Does that include their skills? Like when Avatar Kyoshi broke an island off a continent, or when Avatar Rhoku(spell that right?) was able to bend magma from deep below the surface.
Yeah, sorry guys, accidentally left out a very important word there.
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Aang cannot access the Avatar State ( I think that might be somewhat over kill ). And no philospher’s stone for Edward.
Edward wins on account that Aang is currently dead and in Korra.
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Seriously, I think the fact that this is “Avatar The Last Airbender” Aang is indicating that Adult Aang will not be used.
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Though Avatar state makes this a stomp, so is there a way he just has the four bending (or three since fire was his last element)?
@EnigmaJ: Much better. Now this is a fair fight.
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Though I still favor Aang since even Edward’s Alchemy isn’t as quick as bending.
I’m with Aang on this as well. Not only is he a master of evasion, but he can dish out lethal attacks as well, of both crushing and piercing capacity. For nimble foes, he can slow/unbalance them with the elements as well.
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Though Aang wouldn’t ordinarily kill, that behavioral nuance won’t restrict him here.
So if Aang stomps otherwise, should Ed have access to the Philosopher’s stone in here if we all agree for this matter to be the case?
Ed can use his own lifeforce as a temporary philosopher’s stone. It takes a few years off his life but he once used it to repair his own body when he was impaled and bleeding to death.
Like both characters so this is tough, leaning to Aang right now but I’ll wait and see.
Do we use “FMA” feats, or “FMA: Brotherhood” feats for Ed?
Going with Aang here. Even without the avatar state. He good at evasion(better then potter). Also I think Airbending may be a bit difficult to defend against.
@Dr. Doctor
I think the manga and brotherhood since its a adaptation of the manga.
Aang via insta-bury.
“Seriously, I think the fact that this is “Avatar The Last Airbender” Aang is indicating that Adult Aang will not be used.”
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Yep, this is the child Aang from the first series.
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“Ed can use his own lifeforce as a temporary philosopher’s stone. It takes a few years off his life but he once used it to repair his own body when he was impaled and bleeding to death.”
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As long as this wasn’t during a filler episode or something, that’s fine.
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“Do we use “FMA” feats, or “FMA: Brotherhood” feats for Ed?”
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Original manga, but if you must, then Brotherhood since its a closer adaptation.
“Aang via insta-bury.”
lol?
Edward uses alchemy by touching what ever is to be transmuted, and you think burying him works
I think Aang stomps here with avatar state, he has done some really op stuff with that, I just can’t see edward beating an avatar mode Aang
@Sentry
Match suggestor edited it to no avatar state
oop im sorry, then I think this is going to edward, edward is just to good at what he does, the only hard part is getting a hold of Aang with his airbending :/
Off-topic, I know, but I can’t help but remember Bradley slicing a tank round in half like it was nothing. It makes me laugh.
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Lemme see what I can’t dig up about Ed.
My knowledge of FMA is minimal but I think Aang will have to get close, can’t Ed transmute most attacks not all but most that are element based if they come at him. Again not an expert. But it seems like to ensure Ed doesn’t just nullify the attack Aang has to be mid to close range, in the danger zone basically.
“Edward uses alchemy by touching what ever is to be transmuted, and you think burying him works”
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Last I checked Ed wasn’t his father or that guy named Father. They were the few I remember being able to transmute without using hands witout an aid. If he gets buried he wouldn’t be abe to transmute.
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“oop im sorry, then I think this is going to edward, edward is just to good at what he does, the only hard part is getting a hold of Aang with his airbending :/”
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Aang still has control over elements just not giant stone pillar boxing glove power.
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“My knowledge of FMA is minimal but I think Aang will have to get close, can’t Ed transmute most attacks not all but most that are element based if they come at him. Again not an expert. But it seems like to ensure Ed doesn’t just nullify the attack Aang has to be mid to close range, in the danger zone basically.”
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Airbending can used at long range and Aang has shown he can uses it like faux tk, projectile blades, and sending Ed flying around with t should be simple enough since he’s not to big or heavy.
Also burying in the ground, wrapping him in earth, water tentacles, or freezing should help to keep him from transmuting.
I’m not that familiar with manga Ed, but if he still needs to clap his hands to use his alchemy by the end, then he’s going to have trouble keeping up with Aang’s far more fluid ability with bending.
At least we all know who has the height advantage, am I right?
I’m not sure about that, Aang’s not exactly a giant after all(though unlike Ed, he’s 12
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“At least we all know who has the height advantage, am I right?”
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I don’t know. Ed might actually have a bit of height over him. Next to katara he always seemed pretty short.
By the end of the series, he looks pretty tall. And he’s actually 112.
Oh right, I forgot that Edward has to clap his hands before transmuting..
But I’m sure he has enough reaction time to do either dodge or at the very least clap his hands.
Speed/reactions feats:
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anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/007/003/029/
-Jumps before he is cut and comments on how slow the person is
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anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/007/003/033/
-transmutes before he gets punched/clawed
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anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/007/003/035/
-quickness and clever use of his transmutation + combat ability
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anymanga.com/full-metal-alchemist/008/004/012/
-dodges eye poke 2-3 cm away
If he’s that fast, Aang would likely just resort to AOE attacks. As I said earlier, slow him down. Then finish him.
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“So if Aang stomps otherwise, should Ed have access to the Philosopher’s stone in here if we all agree for this matter to be the case?”
-Oh, it’s not a stomp. Aang has his work cut out for him, but I think he could do it.
Aang could finish this quickly depending on the terrain. If it were just the ground, Aang could put him in a sinkhole. The sinkholes that earthbenders make are nearly instant, and people are dumbstruck when they find everything from the neck down trapped in the ground.
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Good thing Aang never learned blood bending. Then it’d be no debate!
Yeah, we need battlefield confirmation. There’s no such thing as a “neutral battleground” if the combatants abilities vary on the battlefield.
Yellowstone Park.
A metal-dominated zone?
“A metal-dominated zone?”
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I haven’t studied up on national parks, but I’m pretty sure Yellowstone isn’t metal dominated.
Aang could probably keep him away from touching anything with the use of an air scooter underneath Ed.
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Doesn’t Yellow Stone have geysers and hot springs?
I failed. Thanks for pointing that out, Zol. They’d better be careful; Yellowstone is a supervolcano.
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On a completely unrelated note, There’s at least one person on deviantART whose Fakedexes are so detailed, I’m actually thinking of making a match with his Fakemon.
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@Zol post 41: Yes.
Im going to go with ed on this one. He has more combat experience with people who are trying to kill him. He is great at thinking on his feet and improvise and combine his attacks.
Yellowstone.
Ed can go into the soul of another guy and…do something.
www.mangareader.net/116-50287-41/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-106.html
www.mangareader.net/116-50287-44/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-106.html
Not sure if that also works on Aang.
Separate note, how does starship troopers MI (novel not movie) vs Space Marines sound?
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On a more relevant note, I think aang has this in the bag, what with his manipulation of fire and water ( abundant hot springs in Yellowstone)
And I won’t make the same error, I am using blood ravens.
Isn’t Aang just Edward + 3 other elements? He has more options, so I’m leaning towards him right now.
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“Separate note, how does starship troopers MI (novel not movie) vs Space Marines sound?”
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I once suggested 5 MI vs. 5 Space Marines vs. 5 Terran Marines, so I say go for it!
Would MI get pasted by bolters? I dont know how many of each I should have.
“Would MI get pasted by bolters? I dont know how many of each I should have.”
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*Doesn’t want to get too off-topic*
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They might get pasted by bolters, but MI have mini-nukes that they carry with them, flamethrowers, and they can hop around an entire city like a rabbit. It’d certainly be interesting.
Alright, this is my last chance to describe the scenario, so I might as well take it. I’m not changing anything, but I’ll be a little bit more specific about the “environment” since people are curious.
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Edward starts off by the Grand Loop Road by National Park, with vehicles occasionally passing by. And as I indicated in the OP, Aang starts off 100 meters away, somewhere within the wilderness.
Aang cracks a mountain while sleep
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@Lieutenant
So Ed Elric can attack enemy souls, too?
Who will win if Aang energybends?
@Epic
It hasn’t quite come down to the matter yet, I don’t think, so we can save the matter for if/when we get there, everyone agrees?
Is Ed able to transmute rock into metal? As Toph has proven, Earth and Metal are, in essence, the same things, metal is just more refined, and as Ed has proven, as long as at the core two things are similar, they can be transmuted.
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If he can transmute all the ground into steel, (big if), Toph is also the only Earthbender (that I remember) that was able to bend steel, so Aang’s earthbound advantage would disappear.
If he can, how deep? Aang might have the strength to bend the earth from underneath and rip the metal. Also keep in mind that he still has three other elements. The biggest threat is air bending.
if this is ang from the very last episode he mastered tophs vision technique as well that could play a factor. but with his evasion skills, his ability to run away, and access to other elements this is hard for Edward
Well one thing’s for sure, while I hope Ed might actually be able to walk out of this matter alive, I’ll prepare my body for if Aang gets him(even First Lord Tavi struggled to fight someone like Aang, as we pointed out before in Tavi’s debut match, and if image-gathering wasn’t an issue, even Tavi vs Ed Elric wouldn’t be too bad…well, unless Tavi gets FPR’d yet Ed gets not even a Philosopher’s Stone in kind, words don’t describe how Ed Elric gets blown a New Asshole with speeds to nearly rival that of how fast E.U Post-Endor Luke would get Shatterpoint struck by Original!-Tenchi Masaki, and that wouldn’t feel right to see the idea happen on-site, itself!And then finished off with his own Emerald Lightning for good measure!*) amen to that?
I just hope it won’t come down to either vs Dresden himself, or while Dresden will doubtlessly feel remorse on the idea later on, if its to the death he’d kill either far too badly for it to matter. T_T’ (Yes, I still find Pumpkin-headed Dresden a Fa…oh no, you are not gonna hear me note it again, its bad luck if I do that!)
1.) (While the latter would actually be fun to see on-site, honestly its deterimental to the site’s well-being, let alone long-term survival, in fact!)
The only thing Ed really need’s to do is clap-touch. Being fairly fast he’s able to do this on the fly and change the whole battlefield around him with ease.
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Alchemy works with science, and Ed knows every element there is and can use it to his will as long as he can touch it. (otherwise, how would he be able to transmute?)
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Aang will be surprised when Ed uses his metal arm to block a powerful strike, and if he can get anywhere near Aang he can use his Deconstruction technique to just demolecularize. Though he has to touch Aang first…. This can also work for anything thrown at him.
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The biggest advantage, in my opinion, for Ed is his ability to make guns and cannons from rock, stone, and hard materials. however he uses it doesn’t matter, but Aang’s gonna have trouble dodging a large swath of guns Ed can conjure with a touch.
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One more thing is his ability to multi-task. He can do multiple Transmutation’s at once, doing multiple giant fists or so on on the fly an changing the battlefield to get the better positioning and advantage.
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Aang might have a chance, but he can only do a single element at a time (The only time he ever mixed elements was in Avatar state IIRC) and that’s a tough cut. That and he has to do very strenuous and expressive moves to even throw a rock or make a water whip. Ed only needs to touch… making him automatically faster in the conjuration of attacks.
@Draco
You mean in terms of overall Combat Speeds with Power Systems regarded for both, right?
Looks like Elric might have a worthy fight on his hands, after all.
I say Aang, but if he lets up, then Ed’s better fighting and strategies will prevail.
Whats saving Aang here is his wide range of abilities with the terrain while Ed is just too limited in comparison, Aang has to finish it here and now, because Ed really can pull out a finishing killer plan.
@OMEGAMI
So for once, this match can go either way as it stands, right?
If Ed Elric can perservere as best as he can manage, he might be able to outlast Aang and beat Aang in kombat, but if Aang can get Ed Elric as quickly as possible, Lady Victory will nod to the Last-known Airbender from 100-200 years ago, correct?
if this were somewhere with less water i would say that edward elric (since i read twilight first i think of that edward… total waste of my time) would win.
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unfortanatly the terrian works against edward. while ed does have his amazing capiblites, yellowstone is basically rock over water over magma.
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meaing that aang has two of his bending abilites under his control.
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*That and he has to do very strenuous and expressive moves to even throw a rock or make a water whip. Ed only needs to touch… making him automatically faster in the conjuration of attacks*
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while this is true they have are remarkably fast at bending while under pressure. and sometimes off.
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*Who will win if Aang energybends*
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aang. no contest. energybending like that does not factor in how much power you have, or how much pwning skills you have. what matters is that you have equal balance between the energy of your heart and of your mind. meaning you must have balance and ed does not have that. no offence ed fan boys
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*Aang might have a chance, but he can only do a single element at a time (The only time he ever mixed elements was in Avatar state IIRC)*
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this isnt necessarily true. aang has been shown to combine water and air.(just need to remember which episode it was on.) after seeing this I believe he can bend without the avatar state, but only with the elements he has been training with for a long period of time.
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*Is Ed able to transmute rock into metal?*
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that he cannot, unless there is an abundance of certain types of metals nearby.
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*The biggest threat is air bending*
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for the most part yes it will be, seeing as air is one of the only things ed cant transmulate.
So as it stands, this match could go either way, right?
“The only thing Ed really need’s to do is clap-touch. Being fairly fast he’s able to do this on the fly and change the whole battlefield around him with ease.”
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Just moving allows Aang to affect elements. Air need only a swipe of the arm, legs, blowing, even running Aang can affect things like making a tornado flash style.
Earth can be done with simple punches, kicks, or even stomping. Hell bumi has shown an earthbender can bend with his face.
Fire again simple strikes like punching, kicking, and like airbending; breathing.
Water to can be fairly simple like water whips or ice projectiles with just a swipe.
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“Aang will be surprised when Ed uses his metal arm to block a powerful strike,”
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Sesmic sense should be capable of picking up the metal or at least the fact that it’s not a regular arm. After all Ed isn’t be the first person with prosthetic part he’s ever met.
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“This can also work for anything thrown at him.”
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Don’t think it would work to well against fire, air, or explosions. Rock and water though should still be fine assuming Aang isn’t manipulating them to avoid his touch.
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“however he uses it doesn’t matter, but Aang’s gonna have trouble dodging a large swath of guns Ed can conjure with a touch.”
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Doesn’t Ed tends to only make cannons that don’t turn. I recall on with extra barrels but it was still a single direction weapon. Aang tends to be capable of staying mobile even while bending so those probably won’t be to effective since he would have to keep making more in order to aim.
Also Air scooter should allow him to bend even while mobile, like a drive-by bendeing…. That sounds kind of weird doesn’t it?
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“One more thing is his ability to multi-task.”
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Aang can as well. See post #40.
Also when first learning water bending he was capable of making and controlling multiple water tentacles. He made individual earth pillars come up and down for a earth wave thing. Earth armor tends to be controlling various pieces at once. Without the avatar state he probably won’t be moving giant pillars at once but he should still be able to move some sizable bit of elements at once.
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“He can do multiple Transmutation’s at once, doing multiple giant fists or so on on the fly an changing the battlefield to get the better positioning and advantage.”
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The most of the battlefield fall under things Aang could bend away,or change as well. Also couldn’t the ground Ed tries to bend on be used to trap his hands when he goes to make a transmutation? Like earth cuffs or something, so he can transmute again.
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” Aang might have a chance, but he can only do a single element at a time”
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I think two is actually the most he’s shown.
-Post 51 has an instance of earth and airbending.
-Here he keeps stones on fire while moving them(Earth+Fire).
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“That and he has to do very strenuous and expressive moves to even throw a rock or make a water whip.”
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Think you might be thinking of the movie… wait no nobody ever wants to think of that.
Anyway quite a good deal of moves don’t require a lot of moves like I stated before. Air, fire, and earth can be done with simple gestures like punching, swiping, stomping, kicking, breathing, or just running; regular attacks except with an element on the end. Kind of like on L.o.Korra in pro bending matches have shown.
Especially Air to Aang. Most of the offensive stuff can be put into simple swipes(airblades), Kicks/punch/palm srikes(Air Blast), strikes with his staff(large blast), or even just spinning running(mini tornadoes).
Erm…
www.mangareader.net/116-50287-9/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-106.html
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He hasn’t even trying
www.mangareader.net/116-50287-10/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-106.html
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Transmutation while dodging. Shows agility and, if the cannon shells are as fast as they were before, bullet-speed reaction time.
www.mangareader.net/116-50287-11/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-106.html
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Cannon and other stuff lifted directly from the earth, some proof of metal being transmuted from earth.
Edit.
Near bullet-speed reaction time. Cannon balls are, I believe, slower than bullets in speed.
“Aang will be surprised when Ed uses his metal arm to block a powerful strike”
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Also I think if Aang does manage to hit with a powerful strike it could mess up the automail if it hit or at least the inside and most likely send Ed flying backwards. I’ll have to look but I recall a few instance where Aang has destroyed something with a single strike with his bending. Not now though, to tired to look things up.
@Hermit
By any chance you could use somthing other then mangareader. Doesn’t show on mine so I have to go mangahere to try and look up what your showing. Though I guess just the page number could also do.
Both Mangafox and Mangareader?
I’ll try Citymanga.
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The guns
www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v026/c106/9.html
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Not even trying
www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v026/c106/10.html
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Agility, bullet-timing, counter-attack while being attacked himself
www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v026/c106/11.html
@Lowk
No, I’m definately not thinking of the movie… *shudder*
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I was using the anime as reference. And a lot of his more powerful move’s take more complicated hand gesture’s or body positions that just waste time.
Sure, he can do an Air swipe with just his staff thingy, but the weaker attacks aren’t going to do very much against Elric.
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“I think two is actually the most he’s shown.
-Post 51 has an instance of earth and airbending.
-Here he keeps stones on fire while moving them(Earth+Fire).
cdn.mangaeden.com/mangasimg/7c/7c33c71f0a01ba78bbd79af7ed566f8df4d3e823587ad0bb11a3303f.jpg”
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Are you certain that the Rocks weren’t already on fire? He’s not exactly BENDING fire, just moving rocks that have fire on them. unless he set the rocks on fire himself I cant take that as Bending two at once.
Also, cracking a mountain? All I saw was Aang moving in his dreams and causing a bit of chaos in the page you showed. I did not see Air and Earth bending at the same time, they were in two seperate panels.
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And if Aang can figure out that his ‘bending’ comes from his hands, then maybe he’d try to immobilize his hands. But that wont work if he’s already clapped them and he’s fairly fast at that.
It’s pretty much the same thing for aang, except, his whole body.
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Seeing how Hermit showed Elric making metal guns from earth, using the elements (When I say elements for Ed, I mean the Periodic table…), which means he could possibly turn the ground into metal or even encase him in it.
While Aang can Earthbend, Toph was the only one who mastered metal-bending.
that’s some impressive stuff from Ed.
Hermit and Draco took everything I was gonna say.. :’(
lol
What do Aang have over Ed?
@Dr. Doctor
You need not worry too badly on this.
If it helps, sometimes even I tend to get ninja’d before I got the chance to notify someone of vital intel.
Meantime while I still hope Ed can win this fight, I’ve already prepared myself for if he fails.
As for intelligence, where can we begin a successful gauge in the affairs of both Combat-rooted intelligence and Outside Combat-intelligence?
Former takes advantage of how well they studied Fight Science(I’m a believer that Science in general should be used in moderation, but Fight Science isn’t too bad to note) latter shows how well they can think outside of combat, such as post-fight remorse or anything of the sort.
“And a lot of his more powerful move’s take more complicated hand gesture’s or body positions that just waste time.”
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Airbending not always.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKmluL9VRAs
0:04-0:09(kick)
0:19-0:23(slash down)
0:37-0:38(strikes ground)
0:41-0:44(simple strike smacks a large monster)
1:03-1:08(running)
1:13-1:15(counter kick)
1:26-1:30(downward strike/long range airblade)
1:38-1:40(swipes manhandling person)
1:43(kick)
1:48-1:50(blows away large metal tanks)
1:56-1:59(simple swipe=slicing)
2:06-2:08(destroys with a strike down)
2:25(no gesture to bring up air barrier)
3:25-3:29(swipe up launches a person)
3:32-3:33(palm strike blows away people)
4:11-4:14(jumps to make a tornado and kick it quickly)
4:14-4:16(drags people around using air like faux TK)
4:24-4:30(destroys boat with simple strikes)
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I’ll try to get more later.
I like this match very much, to be honest. The fighters seem to be able to keep up with one another.
@Dr. Doctor
Don’t forget, only with proper upbringing(Military-orientated or as close to it as possible, A la Dresden, or otherwise, like N64!-Link of Legend of Zelda) will both sides be armed with, right?
I’m starting to like this match, already.
no one has said anything about my comment
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OMG! i forgot about momo! with momo aang wins this hands down.
“*shudder*”
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“Are you certain that the Rocks weren’t already on fire? He’s not exactly BENDING fire, just moving rocks that have fire on them. unless he set the rocks on fire himself I cant take that as Bending two at once.”
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He set them on fire and kept the fire on them.
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“Also, cracking a mountain? All I saw was Aang moving in his dreams and causing a bit of chaos in the page you showed. I did not see Air and Earth bending at the same time, they were in two seperate panels.”
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The second page showed the air still going while the earth was shifting.
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“And if Aang can figure out that his ‘bending’ comes from his hands, then maybe he’d try to immobilize his hands. But that wont work if he’s already clapped them and he’s fairly fast at that. It’s pretty much the same thing for aang, except, his whole body.”
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Don’t think he would need to figure it out. Aang seems to go for hands, wrist, and/or feet to full body containment.
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“While Aang can Earthbend, Toph was the only one who mastered metal-bending.”
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Actually Toph teaches people to metalbend. Even has her own academy. This eventually lead to a city wide police force of metalbenders.
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“which means he could possibly turn the ground into metal or even encase him in it.”
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Earthbending could help break it or block it, Water bending could help(freeze it to make it brittle), air has shown to be pretty powerful as well. He could also fly or stick to trees.
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Trapping stuff in Air(could be used to keep Ed from touching anything)
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Earth sink(dodged then grabbed opponent mid attack)
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Hehe, my posts here have guaranteed a victory to Ed…in another thread. (HP vs Elric)
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Just to let you know.
www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v026/c106/9.html
The first link, the one with the guns, shows Ed has transmuted five types of cannon. Four are regular cannons which fire artillery rounds, and the other one is an freakin’ Gatling gun. There are also guns right underneath the gatling gun.
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All of Aang’s moves, and Ed’s for that matter, will count for absolutely nothing when they can’t touch the opponent.
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Aang has been shown to fly using that glider of his, while Ed has near bullet-time reflexes (last I checked, cannons don’t fire projectiles at the same velocity as guns).
This would mean that whomever can disable the other first, even for just one moment, will result in victory.
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Oh, and what’s stopping Ed from simply transmuting a pistol (while dodging Aang’s attacks of course, this is well within his capabilities as shown before) at the start of the match and shooting Aang from the get-go?
” Hehe, my posts here have guaranteed avictory to Ed…in another thread. (HP vs Elric)”
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Aang seems to be a lot faster the Potter. In everything from movement to reaction.
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“Oh, and what’s stopping Ed from simply transmuting a pisto”
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Don’t think Ed knows about the inner mechanisms of a gun like say Hawkeye does. Didn’t really seem to be much of a gun smith.
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Also Aang is somewhere in the supersonic range(not travelling speed though)as shown when bending away an explosion. Plus Aang seems to have greater movement capabilities due to airbending either through flight, running, air scooter, etc. So that could probably be useful for dodging.
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Do to seismic sense+earthbending it’s also possible to sneak attack via underground while also being able track Ed or even above ground out of site and using the other elements.
I really hope these links work for you guys.
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Season 2, Episode 13. At about 20:40, Aang flies up a wall and then uses a huge air blast, resulting in a large AOE ripple that can knock opponents clean off their feet.
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Season 2, Episode 20. Starting at 17:20- Aang shows his tremendous mobility, and goes on to use an AOE air/earthbending attack that knocks Zuko a good distance. Then at 19 minutes, he makes himself a suit of crystal. At 19:49, he uses another AOE attack, which shatters the ground in a wide area.
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Adult Aang. At 1:15 he shows his ability to fly with a huge “air scooter”, then cuts chains and causes a small explosion with a single airbending attack.
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And really, I planned on getting some more impressive stuff(especially concerning Aangs speed), but I’m bored at the moment. Maybe these feats will help.
@Lowk
“Do to seismic sense+earthbending it’s also possible to sneak attack via underground while also being able track Ed or even above ground out of site and using the other elements.”
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Personally, probably one of the worse Ed’s knows every element down there and can use it to his advantage.
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Also, I’d like to see an instance of Aang metal-bending. Just because Toph has a school doesn’t mean she’s taught Aang.
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Also, does Comidic value count for feats? I mean, cmon, he was asleep. He doesn’t do this regularly so this is obviously special in some way, shape, or form.
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Another thing, a LOT of his air attacks are non-lethal and just knock back an opponent. while there is the giant flaming rock, the rock is probably extremely light, not very dense, and weakened to be able to be thrown that far and to is most likely ment to hit other ships or land.
The best one there is probably smacking the dragon thingy, even then his Air attacks cause NO damage whatsoever and just gives Ed a chance to use his Alchemy.
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Also, I guess his double bending is an ok. Though I’m still skeptical about it as all he did was raise a small fire geyser and use it to heat rocks. (or whatever rocks already inside) It’s not hard to keep something on fire if it’s already on fire.
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“Don’t think Ed knows about the inner mechanisms of a gun like say Hawkeye does. Didn’t really seem to be much of a gun smith.”
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He knows enough mechanics to make a Gattling gun, artillery cannons, and a multitude of other guns. Why not a pistol? Why cant he just make a bunch of gattling guns and shower a 360 degree area in gunfire.
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I don’t know this but… which is faster? super or hypersonic? I would guess Hyper…
if so, this puts Ed at higher levels than Aang in the speed department.
damn, should be and ‘idea’s’ between Worse and Ed’s in the first reply…
@Soulerous
Not using Adult Aang here, so the last one is null and void. But the others may be alright.
Unless those AOEs can kill Ed in an instant, Ed can cook up a counterattack even while being attacked
www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v026/c106/11.html
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“the rock is probably extremely light, not very dense, and weakened to be able to be thrown that far and to is most likely ment to hit other ships or land.”
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We can’t know.
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Or, Aang can simply call Ed short. Ed goes into berserker rage and can’t think very well, Aang kills him when he makes mistake.
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There’s also that episode in Brotherhood where Ed loses his pocketwatch. When he find the perpetrator..well, let’s just say he takes large-scale alchemy to a new level.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwRwpkIA5b8
The should be at around five minutes.
@Atomic Lowk at #83
Ed was also raised correctly and was rarely surrounded via Idiots, let alone under the threat of mob rules and hate-ons.
Upbringer fail: To hell with you, Dursleys, to hell with all of you!!!!!
If access to the broom was allowed, the matter would have been moot, but it wasn’t, so the broom was a moot point. T_T’
Back to the matter at hand, at least this match actually strives to be a better fight, right?
“I mean, cmon, he was asleep. He doesn’t do this regularly so this is obviously special in some way, shape, or form.”
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He was just letting go and was accidentally making the same effect as his dreams, doesn’t change that he was shown bending two elements.
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“Also, I’d like to see an instance of Aang metal-bending. Just because Toph has a school doesn’t mean she’s taught Aang”
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Oh I was just aaying she teaches metalbending abd that there are more metalbenders then just here. I don’t know if she tuaght Aang yet.
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“Another thing, a LOT of his air attacks are non-lethal and just knock back an opponent.”
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It’s becuase Aang doesn’t try to kill and can normally judge his attack accordinly to keep from doing that. If he had hit people with the same force as he did to destroy that machinery, destroy solid stone thrones, blast away that large device, slice throught stuff, destroying those boat, or flick away the heavy metal tanks it could have been a different story. Here Aang would actally be going for the kill thus no need to hold back. If Aang hit him with one of those he could do some serious damage or kill him.
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“The best one there is probably smacking the dragon thingy, even then his Air attacks cause NO damage whatsoever and just gives Ed a chance to use his Alchemy.”
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He hit a giant sea serpent hard enough to make it recoil back. Ed isn’t that big, that heavy, or covered in scale. If he get hit by that much force he’s going to be sent flying at the least.
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“Also, I guess his double bending is an ok. Though I’m still skeptical about it as all he did was raise a small fire geyser and use it to heat rocks. (or whatever rocks already inside) It’s not hard to keep something on fire if it’s already on fire.”
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Rocks don’t tend to stay lit aflame. I mean yeah they can be heayed up but fire doesn’t normally stay around them unless you’ve got something more combustible with them like wood.
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“He knows enough mechanics to make a Gattling gun, artillery cannons, and a multitude of other guns. Why not a pistol?”
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He never showed making a fictioning gattling gun. He made some cannons and dressed them up to look good. He actually regularly does this, like when he transmued a car and made what he that was awesome. He like to try and make things look good.
Also he’s no general Basque. He was the gun guy.
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“I don’t know this but… which is faster? super or hypersonic? I would guess Hyper… if so, this puts Ed at higher levels than Aang in the speed department.”
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I’ve read over FMA and watched both series a few times. When has Elric shown anywhere near hypersonic speed?
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“Not using Adult Aang here, so the last one is null and void.”
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Actually those fit along with what even young Aant has shown. Except how big the air scooter was. The best he’s shown was several at once.
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“well, let’s just say he takes large-scale alchemy to a new level.”
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Didn’t that happen differently on the manga? Can’t remember. If so don’t we go with the manga showing or something?
Earth bending can make a small earthquake or wave of earth with just a punch. Actually, the weaker ones take more time (kicking a boulder and such), and water just follows what you do. Fire can make huge blasts with just a punch, and has Aang learned lightning ever?
“I’ve read over FMA and watched both series a few times. When has Elric shown anywhere near hypersonic speed?”
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He hasn’t. At most he has near (emphasis on near) bullet-speed reaction.
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“Didn’t that happen differently on the manga? Can’t remember. If so don’t we go with the manga showing or something?”
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Didn’t it? I wasn’t aware. I’ve only ever read the manga to find feats.
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That Rush Valley episode also brings another thought to mind: Ed is a master at making traps.
He made one in the middle on an explosion and managed to catch Lan Fan with it.
The episode is Envoy From The East.
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“If Aang hit him with one of those he could do some serious damage or kill him.
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Keyword is “if”.
@Hermit
“He hasn’t. At most he has near (emphasis on near) bullet-speed reaction.”
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I get the feeling that “At most” are the key words here.
Oh, and if Ed can make a giant cannon, then he can make a small one, right?
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Even if it’s not a pistol, a smaller version of the cannons that he transmuted would still suffice, unless you’re also going to argue that he can’t do that.
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About my earlier statement, Ed has at most Olympic human to peak human speed and durability, not counting reaction time.
@ Shgon
Look through my earlier links, he dodged his own artillery rounds when Father fired them back at him.
As far as I know, and I could be sorely and humiliatingly mistaken, cannons fire slower rounds than guns.
So, near bullet-speed reaction time.
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www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v026/c106/10.html
www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v026/c106/11.html
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Did I mention they were like, ten feet away from each other?
www.mangahere.com/manga/full_metal_alchemist/v026/c106/8.html
“About my earlier statement, Ed has at most Olympic human to peak human speed and durability, not counting reaction time.”
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While Aang (and anybody in Avatar verse with any martial-arts training what so ever) are blatantly superhuman.
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I’m not sure how much of an edge Aang has on Ed physically, but if I was Ed, I’d be glad the wasn’t an arm wrestling fight.
@Hermit
“Look through my earlier links, he dodged his own artillery rounds when Father fired them back at him.
As far as I know, and I could be sorely and humiliatingly mistaken, cannons fire slower rounds than guns.
So, near bullet-speed reaction time.”
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I think you think I’m saying that Ed’s has faster then bullet-speed reaction times…
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I’m not. I’m actually saying the reverse.
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And I saw those pages, you can’t even tell where Father is aiming those things, so saying it means ” near bullet-speed reaction times” is a bit of a stretch.
““If Aang hit him with one of those he could do some serious damage or kill him.
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Keyword is “if”.”
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As I’ve shown Aang can manipulate people like TK with the air around them and even hold up things in an air like that scan. The best comparison I can think of is like what Susan Storm can do with force fields except with air.
Also good deal of his attacks can be an area of effect. He can even make tornado’s that could suck Ed in or up into the air.
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“Even if it’s not a pistol, a smaller version of the cannons that he transmuted would still suffice, unless you’re also going to argue that he can’t do that.”
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Kind of like a flintlock pistol or musket?
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Also a lot of Aang’s time was training with the other elements. Here we see an example of a bit with two elements.
i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd485/infamousColeMacgrath/Ava/Aangtwoelementsearthwater3.jpg
@ Shgon
From what I can tell from the picture, Father was aiming for an area effect attack, with the artillery rounds spread out to deal damage to a larger area.
Besides, they’re ten-fifteen feet away from each other, it’s hard enough to dodge shoes thrown by journalists (I do hope I’ve done nothing wrong) from that distance, how much more a cannon ball?
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“Kind of like a flintlock pistol or musket?”
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Yes.
But if you’re still not convinced, go back a few more centuries
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_cannon
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