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Akuma from the Street Fighter series takes on Two-Time Hall of Fame winner Kratos from God of War.
This fight starts off near the Grand Canyon.
Both of these characters have monstrous strength, but who would win in a fight?
Suggested by EnigmaJ
Akuma from the Street Fighter series takes on Two-Time Hall of Fame winner Kratos from God of War.
This fight starts off near the Grand Canyon.
Both of these characters have monstrous strength, but who would win in a fight?
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The gay porno thing is what got me, I mean really what the hell kind of thing is that to say about a superhero movie. I might joke about Batman and Robin’s relationship but da fuq?
I mean lets compare his complaint the villians, with the only shared villain between Batman and Robin and Dark Knight Rises.
www.assignmentx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/04Bane.jpg That is Batman and Robin Bane,
www.aceshowbiz.com/images/news/dark-knight-rises-new-bane-photo.jpg This is Dark Knight Rises Bane
Now which of these does not look like a villain?
@Admiral
The latter feels more like some kind of Terrorist, while the former looked like he’s been on Mega-Crack, and not the good kind of Mega-crack people might note if they had to compare Gandalf with Dresden, either!(Let alone Kazumi from Kazumi Magica with the Mistress Black whose image I had to borrow a few times back!)
Don’t stop there, go for adding Two-face, please?
P.S: Bane >>> Bane, for the record!
back to the herc holding hae earth it clearly states “hercules lifted the sky” not herakles thus seeing as its hercules(the roman name) in gow it very well can and should be considered a feat for him in gow
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as for watering down i only agree with the “speed” argument,strengths seem to be the same andf heckj in gow ouranos created the universe thus chaos and gaia are above him.
@Atomic Lowk
If the “faster than a falcon” quot is true we should use the “‘stoop” other wise its like saying I’m faster then you cause I can run faster then you can walk……
Basically it looks like Shumacher wants to make a big shiny version of Adam West’s batman series.. everyone else remembers how the animated series completely rewrote Batman and Gotham in to a darker place. Ah well.
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@Gendrons
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I see no reason why we should use a Falcon in swoop. Falcons already fly forward faster than most creatures can run. The quote only make sense in this context.
Oh and for the record, the website appears to be doing comedic news articles. It may very well be fake. Although I don’t know anything about Shumacher so I can’t really say.
hollywoodleek.com/
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Yeah, fake news. The source of the article is this site.
^God of war 3 hercules comparing his labours to kratos saga. Its canno n herc did meet atlas thus did that in the gow verse
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To add to that, in Chains of Olympus Atlas is chained up. In GoW3, Kratos took off a chain to ease his stress.
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If Hercules did trick Atlas to get the apple and rehold the sky, then Hercules not only had to remove the chains but also put them back on. I don’t believe that is believable.
@Sauroposeidon
“The quote only make sense in this context.”
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^Did some one post the quote? I’ve returned my book a few days ago. i could of sworn it was “faster then a falcon” not “he ran faster then a falcon flew”
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“If Hercules did trick Atlas to get the apple and rehold the sky, then Hercules not only had to remove the chains but also put them back on. I don’t believe that is believable.”
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^Gow atlas appears to hold up the earths crust and the “heavens”. thus herc wouldn’t have to do all that. But even if he did free him he’d be forced to put him back otherwise hed have to carry that burden forever.
Okay in the myths he holds up the sky, Ouranos, the heavens to keep them from the earth. In God of War he holds up the “world” so it doesn’t collapse into fiery destruction wiping out everything.
Very, very, very different. And still doesn’t change that Hercules would have had to unchain Atlas hold up the world at a suddenly much lower level which would have caused massive destruction probbably, unless they moved the planet so that where Herc had to stand was higher up so that wouldn’t happen. Then the earth would have to be moved back to it’s normal position Atlas taking the weight back on his shoulders and then Hercules chaining him back up in exactly the same way in order to ensure his staying in that spot and not running off to spite Olympus. This would have required the moving of Olympus as well since Olympus is rising up from the underworld through a hole in the ground thus meaning that the surface would had to have been lifted up over Olympus and another identical hole somewhere else used.
Because if the crust was lowered any it would have slammed into the lower parts of Olympus which were wider because thats how mountains work they get wider as they go down so the world couldn’t be lowered to a point Hercules would be able to hold it anyway due to the way the God of War world works you would have to lift it up over Olympus and I really doubt Atlas would pass up a chance to trash Olympus since he would have to climb it while carrying the rest of the world.
Your saying that because Hercules met Atlas in mythology and held the sky the same must be true for God of War however there is no logic to that because they are not the same story. God of War=/=Greek Mythology.
The books and games appear to be greatly contradictory because if in God of War universe Atlas is only holding the world and in order for Hercules to succeed with the apple adventure if he was with Atlas he would have had to lift the world and not the sky, so why would Kratos be compared to the strain of Hercules lifting the sky when he never lifted the sky, and why would he help Atlas by lifting the sky when Atlas would still be unable to move or the world would still collapse. Thus Hercules could not logically have lifted the sky because the reason he did in the myths was to relieve Atlas burden while Atlas got the apple for him but since Atlas isn’t holding the sky in god of war that means that that sentence is just a really really poorly written simile that makes no sense in the canon story of God of War thus meaning it has to be ignored because it could never have occurred without something majorly important happening. Hell Chains of Olympus Kratos kills a god, yet it takes place before God of War where Kratos couldn’t comprehend the possibility of killing a god, They never expected to go as far with the series as they did, the books are contradictory, Hercules never lifted the sky, Kratos has nowhere near planetary strength. Your claim would require Kratos being able to match Superman in strength if Hercules lifted the world and Kratos was stronger, but Superman would rapestomp Kratos.
Give up this futile argument about Kratos lifting the sky, the world, anything that significant. It’s over, game over, you failed to sway anyone besides Hellboy no feat of your ability to compel people, give it up and save it for the next Kratos fight and spare us all the trouble of arguing this fight.
It doesn’t matter. The quote would have to be something like “He was faster than a swooping falcon” otherwise we assume that he’s moving faster than a falcon can travel. It’s unusual and to me actually unheard of for someone to mean a falcon while in mid swoop because a Falcon actually covers no ground while swooping. It’s an attack maneuver, not a form of locomotion. The Falcon is just.. falling.. and no one ever says they ran faster than a falcon fell. You’re massively twisting and torturing the phrase to try and get an exact, very specific meaning instead of taking it for the general implied meaning a commonly used phrase holds. What you’re doing is taking something like the phrase for superman where they say “Faster than a speeding bullet” to mean “Faster than a rail gun round” when we know rail gun rounds should be far faster than conventional bullets, just because the fastest bullets should be at such extreme speeds does not mean that the original creators of Superman ever had that kind of speed in mind. They meant a bullet from a pistol. Everyone knows that, but if you were arguing for his speed you’d be citing the fastest projectiles ever even theorized at this point. That’s how ridiculous you are being right now.
@GuardianAngel1911
“Okay in the myths he holds up the sky, Ouranos, the heavens to keep them from the earth. In God of War he holds up the “world” so it doesn’t collapse into fiery destruction wiping out everything.”
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^And the heavens via the novel,game guides etc.
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“Herc had to stand was higher up so that wouldn’t happen”
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^It stated “held up the sky” its an actual quot of the official novel not “the earths crust” kratos later over powers him twice(stopping AND reversing his charges)
@Sauroposeidon
When you think aof a falcon going “fast” most people think of its dive. not its casual flight. Back to my walking analogy you wouldn’t say Im faster then you if Im barley running faster then you could casually walk. You would state this if we were both going at top speeds.
“When you think aof a falcon going “fast” most people think of its dive. not its casual flight. ”
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No, most people think of birds being fast as they fly through the air. Your analogy fails because the falcon is already doing its equivalent of running in the way most people interpret phrases of “faster than Bird-X.” We can fall faster than we can run if we have a good high cliff or plane to drop out of, we have ways of making ourselves faster artificially too. But we don’t assume when you say you’re faster than say, me, it means you’re running faster than I can drive a car. Or faster than me during a sky dive. A falcon can’t even cover much ground in a swoop. It’s a retarded assed thing to assume. You’re just pushing for a much higher number than you would normally otherwise be able to get. When people imagine raptors being fast, they imagine them juking through tree limbs after prey, never losing speed, an image of power, grace, and speed. Or soaring through the sky, talons out-stretched. Many raptors don’t even swoop to take their prey in the fashion you’re thinking.
Okay I’m going to explain this again. Hercules never held up the sky, it’s impossible because Atlas would still have had to hold up the world. If he had held the world I would buy it, but what your saying is that he held the sky, but Atlas was not holding the sky he was holding the world, you don’t say strained like Hercules lifting the world though your saying he strained like Hercules lifting the sky, but Atlas is not holding the sky, he’s holding the world, not sky, world, not sky but world, the world, the big pile of stone tree’s magma and food and us that we are standing on right now, what he is not holding up is Ouranos’s crotch as in the myths.
The words don’t work with what your saying. Hercules doesn’t lift the sky because Atlas does not lift the sky he lifts the world, Hercules would have strained to lift the world not the sky but the world, but he didn’t what your quote says is the sky but no one holds the sky the sky is more like our sky but he doesn’t lift it he lifts the world. The world is what is being lifted by Atlas and thus is what Hercules would had to have lifted from his shoulders in order to have lifted anything but he didn’t. There is no quote saying he lifted the world from Atlas’s shoulders ergo he never lifted it ergo he does not have that strength ergo Kratos cannot be said to have it. Held up the the sky is not what Atlas did in God of War ergo he did not let Hercules lift it for a moment ergo Hercules did not lift it. It is a simple thing to understand. The words don’t work, you say it was the sky but no one ever held the sky in God of War ergo the sky was never lifted by anyone ergo Hercules did not in fact lift the Sky because there is no one holding the sky because the only thing being held by anyone named Atlas is the world which he was never released from which means Hercules never held it which means he doesn’t have planetary strength which means Kratos doesn’t have planetary strength which means your full of crap because your taking a simile literally something no one who’s been in so much as a 5th grade English class would do which makes me question any competence you have. You really think the fact that the Sky is above the world means Atlas lifts it as well? What proof do you have besides a statement that makes no sense in the overarching canon of the series when Atlas holds the world. None, what you have is a sentence your holding onto like your a survivor of the Titanic and it’s the only thing floating, what you have is a shred of hope Kratos might be able to win, but it’s only there in your mind, it’s not there, there is nothing to that statement because it doesn’t work with known canon. Atlas holds the world, you say Hercules lifted the sky while Atlas got the apple but he didn’t because Atlas doesn’t hold the sky. He holds the world, but of course you fail to see this fact, this tiny fact that is dancing right there in the corner of your mind because you don’t want to look there, you won’t look there because you know it’s right, that Hercules didn’t do it, didn’t lift the sky, but you won’t let it go because it means admitting defeat, you won’t admit defeat though will you. Your too afraid to.
” but you won’t let it go because it means admitting defeat, you won’t admit defeat though will you. Your too afraid to.”
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Kratos still has the upper hand in this match . Boots of Hermes , Claws of Hades and blade of Olympus .
not according to everyone else.
“not according to everyone else”.
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Allright then proof he can survive a stab form blade of Olympus can resist the soul fuck .
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And don’t be hypocrite you once said that Hercules held up the sky in Zeus vs Odin match .
Yeah, one that would have been myth not game hercules, and two I just checked I never mentioned the sky in any of my posts there.
The fact that Akuma can resist the damage dealt by his own soul fucking attack is proof enough. Apparently if you “empty your soul” it’s something like phasing it out. Kratos also lacks defenses against Akuma’s attacks, and appears to be physically weaker and the inferior martial artist. The traveling speed doesn’t even matter, but we know just from watching the two games Akuma has some extremely fast striking techniques in his moveset, with much swifter punches, while Kratos uses far slower movements, slugging it out like in a western when he uses his fists. So attack speeds are faster, attack strengths are stronger, attack techniques more advanced and devastating.. Akuma has this in the bag, Hellboy.
So somethings I’ve noticed in the novel do far.
Most of the good stuff seems to already be presented in the game. He can jump really far, super strength, lot of endurance, violent, got magic, yadda yadda.
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The novel however goes on to reveal Kratos fights do show that he’s not going through wave and wave of enemies as an invulnerable, unslowable, monster of violence. Okay maybe he still kind of qualifies for the monster of violence part, possibly with a heart of.. Well definitely not gold….. Bronze maybe or blue ribbon of participation.
Anyway, a good portion of his battles does show him actually being in danger of dying.
Undead soldier or centuars with spears carry the danger of skewering him. Cyclops(es?) with clubs are stated capable of smashing his head with a strike from their clubs, and there hugs causes his ribs to crack.
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That said he tends to get through these dangers through, blocking, dodging, hitting weakpoints(like legs or necks), using maneuverability against the big guy, strength against the small ones, a dash of powers, and a little brains sprinkled throughout. So it kind of counter my initial thoughts of him being berserker just rushing through monsters.
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The most badass feat I found so far is that when a cyclops fell on him and knocked the wind out of him. He couldn’t breath or gather enough strength to get it off. So he ripped, bit, and teared his way through the cyclops. That man reeeaaally wanted revenge.
Also I find Athena better then all the other characters in the whole series.
okay if he couldn’t lift that cyclops that seeeriously drops his strength from what they were saying, those guys….maybe the weight of an elephant, but that’s a guess based on the game. But if he relies on his strength against guys his size, he’s in for a rude awakening.
Forgo,
Stamina is also kind of weird. He stated of being able to run for 50 mile in a day. However enough damage from a fights can add up and tire him a bit. But he uses the blades to rejuvenate by killing stuff and iirc at least one of visits by the gods rejuvenated him once.
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@GA
He had been fighting for a while and he did just lose his breath from when it fell him so it might have been from that mixture. No air+can’t get more+some exhustion=can’t gather enough strength.
I did say from what they were saying, which is planet level, if he was that strong it wouldn’t have mattered.
What dismays me most is that hellboy147 and mrgendrons 2.0 even like Kratos this much. He’s an angry, jerk meathead. Not too great a character, in my opinion. It grates on me when he talks.
It grates on me when he does anything at all. I can’t stand the character.
@Lizard God
Between you and me, I can’t say I can stand the Edward of twilight, either.
The idea of Kratos vs Edward of twilight fighting it out, however…add Eragon of Alagaesia to the mix(NOI to you or AHEM, Admiral) and it’ll be worth the reading, perhaps.
@GuardianAngel1911
“Hercules never held up the sky, it’s impossible because Atlas would still have had to hold up the world. If he had held the world I would buy it, but what your saying is that he held the sky”
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^IT states it in the friken book the gow instruction manual staes he does both(atlas) even in the novel it states atlas “holds the world” so he obviously holds both(which explains several things like him not able to leave his post ,the world might just clapsin on its self due to the weight of the sky,atlas still holding the earths crust for several years without tire(the earth gains 100’000 tons each year due to space debris yet atlas seems to be holding up the same amount of weight thus if it was sky included it could bypass this problem etc). Honestly i can’t believe your trying to discredit an actual quot/feat in a novel. You might as well try bringing logic into a comic book.
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@Sauroposeidon
Dude iIIRC kratos using said super speed without the boots was casually out running arrows. thats much faster then 40 mph….
Okay he does both, that still doesn’t change your supposed feat saying Herc held up the sky, sky not world and sky, not entire planet, not atmosphere and surface of the planet, but the sky, sky=/=world.
What’s more it’s a simile as in a figure of speech. Holding sky does not equal holding the world even if holding the earth equals holding the sky.
“Dude iIIRC kratos using said super speed without the boots was casually out running arrows. thats much faster then 40 mph….”
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Do we have a clip of this?
@Sauroposeidon
“Do we have a clip of this?”
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^Novel in the few pages he uses his “super speed” he is a casual arrow time in the games(dodges an arrow one inch away from his face after almost getting caught off guard) and could fully react to charon who moved so fast human eye could not precive him(coo) and of course the time he moved so fast every one else appeared to be statues(coo again).
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@GuardianAngel1911
“Okay he does both, that still doesn’t change your supposed feat saying Herc held up the sky”
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^Yeah all the quote say is hercules lifted the sky off of atlas shoulders” i never state herc held up “the world. i stated the sky throughout this entire thread. It can range for the sky(being the atmosphere) or sky (as in everything excluding earth).
“dodges an arrow one inch away from his face after almost getting caught off guard”
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You mean how he saw it coming as it was being fired and dodged it while he was fully aware of its trajectory?
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“and of course the time he moved so fast every one else appeared to be statues”
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That was simply special effects of the game. Unless you want to argue that catapult projectile was moving so fast time appeared to be stopped to, or that sports players have chronomanipulation because whenever they kick a ball or w/e its sometimes filmed in slow motion in commercials
“Yeah, one that would have been myth not game hercules, and two I just checked I never mentioned the sky in any of my posts there.”
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Is till remember when I said the world you corrected me and said it was the sky any ways.
“^Novel in the few pages he uses his “super speed” he is a casual arrow time in the games(dodges an arrow one inch away from his face after almost getting caught off guard) and could fully react to charon who moved so fast human eye could not precive him(coo) and of course the time he moved so fast every one else appeared to be statues(coo again).”
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You got quotes for “casually” dodging arrows? Which is not the same thing as “Casually” out running arrows. You also need quotes for Charon. If you want to prove Kratos is fast, you need to do more than make just claims. Although I wouldn’t put this at super human. Martial artists today can arrow catch, which is an ever greater feat.
The sky isn’t on Atlas shoulders so it was never lifted
@Sauroposeidon
Ide love to get the quotes but i returned the novel(ii belive lowk has a copy)
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@GuardianAngel1911
“The sky isn’t on Atlas shoulders so it was never lifted”
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^Whats over the earths crust? Oh yeah the sky. thus he lifted both(this is further driven home due to the earth clasping without the pillar of the earth)
“Honestly i can’t believe your trying to discredit an actual quot/feat in a novel. You might as well try bringing logic into a comic book.”
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Butt hurt and hard to swallow .
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“So attack speeds are faster, attack strengths are stronger, attack techniques more advanced and devastating”
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Kratos has range and reaction time advantage Army of Sparta . Akuma will become sigificaly weaker . It doesn’t mater if he can hit harder Kratos is strong enough to destroy him Nemean cestus on the face , blade of Olympus will be insta kill . Since both Zeus and Kratos died already form the blade .
@Hellboy
I just looked through Odin Zeus I even used the ctrl f search none of my posts have the word sky in them
@Sauroposeidon
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dboP0_ns0w4&feature=relmfu
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^At 13.:40 and on. Reacts to an arrow point blank while talking to a random guy.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkNEabsAums
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^At 0:57 and on. charon going faster then the eye can see. kratos later beats the guy to a pulp.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq7gHGi64ao
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^At 0:54 and on him going so fast every ones like a statue.
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These are a few examples.
@hellboy147
“Butt hurt and hard to swallow .”
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6Dude i just proved atlas held up Both the heavens and the earths crust…
It is over the earths crust, I’m not saying anything other than the sky by itself wasn’t lifted. I’m not saying if Herc did or didn’t take Atlas burden anymore just that he lifted the world if anything you can count the sky too but it wasn’t only the sky.
@GuardianAngel1911
Dude then your just making his feat even more over kill. The mass of our atmosphere alone is 5.5 quadrillion tons(if we go by low end and exculed the cosmic sphere) then you have to add the weight of ALL the continents(their ALL mentioned in the novel) etc. Akuma’s no where near that strong in any sense.
“^At 13.:40 and on. Reacts to an arrow point blank while talking to a random guy.”
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…..seriously? That’s your arrow timing feat? That’s not arrow timing. That’s responding to something as well as you or I could.
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“^At 0:57 and on. charon going faster then the eye can see. kratos later beats the guy to a pulp.”
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That is not faster than the eye can see. We clearly see him moving. You are now a liar. You can’t expect me to trust anything you say at face value from now on.
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“^At 0:54 and on him going so fast every ones like a statue.”
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The game freezing time while telling a story does not count.
“The mass of our atmosphere alone is 5.5 quadrillion tons(if we go by low end and exculed the cosmic sphere) then you have to add the weight of ALL the continents(their ALL mentioned in the novel) etc. ”
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You understand that no one is actually accepting that argument, right? I mean, you keep restating it, but when we know their world is only a fraction of our own, it makes no sense. The continents are far lighter than they are now due to the Earth not being a sphere. We also have a video of Akuma and Asura fighting with such ferocity that they split the entire moon in half. You can bull shit all you want, and completely ignore videos posted, but it won’t grant you victory any sooner.
@Sauroposeidon
“…..seriously? That’s your arrow timing feat? That’s not arrow timing. That’s responding to something as well as you or I could.”
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^You could dodge an arrow going 60-100 mph about an inch from your face while preocupide by a rambling idiot? Man you must be peak human or better.
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“That is not faster than the eye can see. We clearly see him moving. You are now a liar. You can’t expect me to trust anything you say at face value from now on.”
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^He instantly appears right next to kratos almost in a flash. hermes does something similar while taunting him on that chain. You probably don’t any way considering I’m debating kratos in the first place “It grates on me when he does anything at all. I can’t stand the character.” -:roll:
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“The game freezing time while telling a story does not count.”
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^Gameplay kratos was their and moved faster then any one could move. It stands.
gods I’m going to need a drink after this
@Admiral
Ready to respond back to gaia online 1st, Admiral, before taking the tough pills?
“^You could dodge an arrow going 60-100 mph about an inch from your face while preocupide by a rambling idiot? Man you must be peak human or better.”
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The arrows are ON FIRE. You can see them from their launch point for fucks sake, dude. He had plenty of time to move, and he didn’t seem to dodge casually, he probably didn’t notice it until it was closer, which is why he looked at it for a moment after it passed. Even then his reaction time is still no greater than a normal person’s.
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“He instantly appears right next to kratos almost in a flash.”
Does “instantly” to you mean “can see him moving” because to me it means no delay. You clearly see him moving behind Kratos.
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“^Gameplay kratos was their and moved faster then any one could move. It stands.”
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It doesn’t matter than he dodged when everyone else stood and watched. The only feat you can claim with that clip is that he moved as fast as we saw, because we have the catapult round falling out of the sky as reference for his speed. It happened in real time. His success where everyone suffered red shirt levels of fail does not make him move so fast the world seems to freeze.
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Do you have anything else you want to have shot down with ease?
damn this is turning into the last few pages of Dresden vs Kratos all over again….and Pit vs Kratos too….just damn….I’m out I….I don’t need this shit.
Are you kidding me? This is ALL Pit vs Kratos was any time this guy was around.
Isn’t Kratos like sub-sonic? So isn’t he slower then Akuma?
@mrgendrons 2.0:
“^At 13.:40 and on. Reacts to an arrow point blank while talking to a random guy.”
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That made me laugh, but only because I thought it was pretty badass. Anyway, there seems to be some considerable distance between Kratos and those firing arrows in his direction.
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Here is a video of someone dodging an arrow 150 yards away, which is 30 yards farther than a football field.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwta1y7m9ec#t=0m26s
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From the video, it doesn’t look like it’s that far from Kratos.
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Here is another video, which has poor quality. It appears the person firing the arrow isn’t that far like in the first video, certainly closer than the distance shown between Kratos and those firing the arrows in the video.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyHC2mCzv34
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The problem with that video, of course, is that it doesn’t seem the arrows would have hit the person trying to dodge the arrows anyway. This next video has someone catching an arrow. He is 10 meters away from where it fired.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjU1ziVyEeQ
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As for Kratos dodging an arrow, it was cool to see because I didn’t expect it. You will notice, however, that Kratos does glance up, and then he dodges the arrow. It’s not a very long chance to dodge, of course.
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I’m going to assume the distance is 61 meters (200 feet). Let’s say the arrows being fired travel 200 mph. That seems to be the usual value given for arrows around FP. That’s 89 m/s (293 ft.s).
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Time is distance divided by speed.
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x = 61 / 89
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Time is 0.685, which, of course, is less than a second. Let’s assume the time for Kratos was cut in half. That would be 0.343 milliseconds.
@Your Majesty
Wouldn’t that mean that Kratos is slower than Kharn, even? o.0′
I’m not sure who you’re speaking to, Commander Cross. However, males in the Olympics have an RT of 166 ms, according to Wikipedia.
My bad. “The mean reaction times for sprinters at the Beijing Olympics were 166 ms for males and 189 ms for females, but in one out of 1,000 starts they can achieve 109 ms and 121 ms, respectively. [3]“
If the time wasn’t halved, but cut from a quarter, his RT would be 171 ms. I might be inclined to go with that value, just because it doesn’t look like there is a whole lot of time. When he looked up, I used a stop watch and got 21 ms out of three tries. So yeah.
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That’s with the estimated 200 feet and 200 mph speed in mind, though. Any closer and he might have been hit. Obviously if he was looking up like he did at 13:45 prior to dodging the arrow, it probably would not have been as impressive.
btw you guys do realize that actual humans can produce some amazing feats, for instance, the man with fastest reflexes in the world can catch paint balls at 720 psi without popping them, he can also catch arrows easily I may add, in addition to this he can through 7 or 8 punches a second.
I’ll risk commenting again, I stated somewhere earlier that the running faster than a falcon is potentially in human bounds since humans are supposed to be able to run around 40 miles an hour if pushed apparently.
Since of course no one would think running faster than a falcon meant the dive speed.
As for the simile thing…..I’m not touching it.
I thought falcons flew at 50-60mph, Guardian?
Peregrine Falcons can fly as fast as 62 mph. There are 37 species of falcon though, and the quote never said which one. Referring to a less-speedy falcon would be rather dumb, but even so.
I still say the “faster than a falcon” thing as a narrative hyperbole
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Where was the quote for it anyways?
Well, StealthRanger, I don’t know if that’s supposed to be hyperbolic or not. If there was a falcon flying over Kratos, and he outran it, it’s not hyperbolic. If there wasn’t a falcon flying overhead, then I would be inclined to agree.
Well was there a falcon overhead? If so, I’ll concede my argument. If not, my point still stands
Found a preview of the God of War novel in Google Books. It may not be the full thing, but the search function can still excerpts of key words. I searched the word “falcon”, and the only relevant excerpt that I could find that involved Kratos running was this:
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When Kratos recovered his bearings, he found himself once more in the quieter neighbourhood from which the goddess had taken him. He was still on the far side of the Acropolis from Athena’s temple–and from her oracle.
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He put his head down and ran. Ran like the lion in pursuit of a lamb, swift as a falcon, tireless as the wind. He had to run. So much time had been wasted, and for what? A power that he didn’t need.
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God of War pg. 109
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If anyone with the novel can verify, then it would settle this matter once and for all. If this is the quote that was being referenced, then Kratos’ supposed “falcon speed” is invalidated, and Hermes’ 41mph speed estimate stands.
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Here’s something interesting about Kratos’ regeneration:
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He started back up the road to Parthenon, each step stronger than the one before. The Blades of Chaos, in taking life, nourished him and allowed regeneration. Stiffness remained in his back as a reminder of the foolhardiness of taunting a god. Kratos used his blades at times as walking sticks to help him up the increasingly steep road.
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pg. 95
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At his feet, blood tinged the water that ran down his legs. Hooking a shark or two on the barbs of the Blades of Chaos would steal enough life to close these minor cuts.
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pg. 35
Well, theobserver, good find. Yes, these are similes, StealthRanger was correct in not understanding them literally.
one thing I need to wonder, that’s the Blades of Chaos but here he has the Blades of Exile, do they have the same powers?
Huh, I knew the “faster than a falcon” speed was a figure of speech
most of the things he’s trying to use have been, from the falcon to the Hercules thing, which contradicts everything in the games.
@StealthRanger:
“Huh, I knew the “faster than a falcon” speed was a figure of speech”
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Usually that is the case, but I wanted to make sure. So I guess as theobserver said, Hermes’ 40 mph still stands, meaning Kratos at best can only run 40 mph with the boots.
And I can still drive faster than he can run lol
Anyways, yeah, with observer’s quote, the faster than a falcon thing is simply a narrative hyperbole and figure of speech (unless anyone has anything better)
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“StealthRanger was correct in not understanding them literally.”
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Its called taking things with a grain of salt
I got nothing, I’ve agreed it was a figure of speech from the start. even if it’s not that would only put Kratos between 41 and 61 miles an hour, plus that was with Blades of Chaos rejuvination, don’t think I would need to reiterate this but he has the Blades of EXILE here, anything BoC specific like that may not be quantifiable for the reason that he doesn’t have those blades here.
also the whole lifting the sky off of Atlas shoulders still doesn’t work with canon however you slice it. If Herc lifted the sky he didn’t lift it from Atlas shoulders because the only thing on Atlas shoulders is the crust of the planet and probably not even the full weight.
Then again a lot of things about Chains of Olympus don’t make sense in canon anyway.
“I got nothing, I’ve agreed it was a figure of speech from the start”
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Plus if Kratos was really that fast, he wouldn’t need the Boots of Hermes at all since the BoH are 40mph
Honestly I found those things next to useless in the game I felt like I had wasted my time in trying to get them. They had no really practical use when you had as many weapons as you got in that game, and they really didn’t make him run all that fast it seemed. I felt like they just could have added a sprint button to the game so Kratos would do a full on run when you held it and it would have been more useful
So what I miss? I’ve been busy with oot3d and a link thread.
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@stealth
stop sputing cr*p kratos using said speed was out running and dodging numerous arrows that in its self means hes running atleast 90m/s.
“kratos using said speed was out running and dodging numerous arrows”
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Confuse reaction speed and running speed much?
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“its self means hes running atleast 90m/s”
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So he has Mach 0.26 reactions
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And you have the quote for actually outrunning arrows then?
as for regen it ain’t just linked to the blades. what about when he healed after deimos beating.
that’s reaction speed not running speed
an expert martial artist can easily catch arrows and strike so fast you can barely see their hand move, but they can’t run that fast. It’s different running speed has nothing to do with being an arrow timer, it’s a completely different statistic, you can train yourself to have fast reactions but you won’t run faster, you can train yourself to run faster but you won’t have fast reactions, they don’t go hand in hand. I don’t know how many times this has been said in how many matches but Reactions are not the same as Running, just cause they start with the letter R does not mean they are synonyms
I was reffering more to the quotes about the Blades healing him than anything specific, he does have regen I’m just saying the stuff specifically connected to the Blades of Chaos may not still apply to the Blades of Exile.
@stealth
returned the book(you ythink ide still have a library book after like 4 weeks?) also arn’t all animals stated (lion ,falcon etc) able to travel 40 mph+?
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So howd the herc lifting the sky thing go?
@gaurdian
kratos casually reacted to an arrow 1″ away from his face in game. I’m pretty sure in novel kratos was out running arrows and running fast enough none of the monsters in the scity could hit him untill he got cocky and mocked the “mountain sized” ares.
You had it as a library book? I figured you had bought it myself.
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on the sky thing I was just saying I’m still not sure about it because of the wording, it says he lifted the sky from Atlas shoulders, but Atlas would still be unable to help him with the apple thing because he would be holding the earth still. Maybe the guy who wrote the book was basing it more on the myths and didn’t think, maybe he just thought it sounded cool to say straining like that, maybe it was a typo, not saying it wouldn’t be impressive if it worked with the canon of the games, but the wording itself doesn’t fit what we see in the games. I would have no problem with the feat if it wasn’t for the wording.
@Gendrons
still more dodging and avoidance, running faster than an arrow would imply it is heading the same direction as you and you run ahead of it, he could be seeing the arrows otherwise, plus Ares could have sent those minions to the Stormtrooper Marksmanship academy for all we know.
@guardian
Well a gow 2 novels comming out so it was close enough to the games. If we do use the overpower herc thing I’m gonna say kratos thus is the stronger one in this match and possibly better blunt durrability(tanking punches from others who have stalemated him in strength like zeus and thanatos
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Huh though mythbusters proved its imposdible to comsistently grab arrows out of the air.As for the archers of the undead: in novel they were wooping the athinan archers quite badly and in pandoras temple one was able to shoot an explosive shot right at kratos chest, but that shlt got blocked.
Like I said if it’s wording fit what we’ve seen in the games better I wouldn’t have said anything, it’s just that wording doesn’t fit the state we see Atlas in in GoW 2, maybe the GoW 2 novel will clarify it I’d rather wait and see though before we say one way or another on that feat, course I don’t know when it comes out.
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I know they disproved splitting arrows, but I’ve seen highly trained people do it, although in a controlled setting.
As for the archers I was more meaning it could be plot shields in some areas and actual reactions in others.
“If we do use the overpower herc thing”
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Not so much as overpower. He used the tried method of punching/slashing on him(more so when he got the guanlets off) to get his way. Not outmuscling him.
@guardian
I know what you mean but alot of it fits :herc in gow novel and games has hid roman name,the origin of gow 2 perseus’ sheild and foreshadowing gow2 with how kratosbwas on his throne.
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Yes but you realky don’t see consistent arrow timing in non controlled enviroments. As for plot sheilding kratos already reacted to arrows in game The main reason I wanna see the gow2 novel is for the zeus fight(possible lightning timing I figure) but thats cojnting my chicks.
@lowk
What about when herc charges at kratos and kratos stops then stars to reverse them twice in the boss fight?
Herc doesn’t weight more then what Kratos has pushed back before. He braced himself to slow him down and not fall back, then pushed back. Iirc even then he still had to give him a few blows during.
@lowk
he still pushed him back while herc was still trying futily to push forward. as for a few blows herc like kratos seems to posses regen near his level(not quite but to a simular degree) as he easily brushed off getting stabbed bynthoughs blambles twice. the only true physical blows i remember kratos doing to herc were him kicking him in the face so hard his helmet flew off and him punching herc in the kindney so hatd he cringed.
“he still pushed him back while herc was still trying futily to push forward.”
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Kratos dug in. This help to slow and stop Herc. Then when Herc lost momentum Kratos pushed back. Herc isn’t heavier then what Kratos has shown to move so once he stops herc’s only got two options when this happen, step back to maintain his balance or risk being knocked backwards or onto his ass. After a step back Kratos moved so Herc(leaning forward) would fall face foreward right into Kratos’ fist.
@lowk
the gow team says herc is 12ft tall and 4000 lbs if kratos was too low to the ground he’d of fallen on his face his strength is immense but their is a degree of balance needed. All in all they seem on par in strength(or kratos is stronger as herc hasn’t shown to do much along the lines of over powering kratos) in the very least via the feat. which could be the fact their both sons of Zeus. Heck kratos once got blasted from a valcano in the
middle of the atlantic all the way through a stone wall and landing on crete without a scratch.
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^Would this count as light speed rt(he reacts to the light before it reaches him)?
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Any way if that doesn’t safice. zeus did punch kratos so fast he went up into the cloud line (their equal in h2h so I’m assuming kratos punches at similar speeds),reacts to the corpse throw in gow gos which was thrown fast enough to annihilate a large stone bridge thus probably supersonic/hypersonic in volocity. and that latching on to a catapult projectile should be at least supersonic
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQFFfQm9SgQ&feature=relmfu
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^4:18 and on zeus punches supersonic.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2Iz3u7mAZU
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^at 0:40 and on erynis throws a body with enough velocity to destroy a large section of the colossal stone bridge.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfhfT9yMhS8
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^Possible supersonic feat via being capable of Jumping onto a catapault projectile easily and sticking to it without being thrown off/not needing to correct him self upon landing at 4:25
@Rhododendron- Is that you, mrgendrons 2.0? I approve of the change.
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“Would this count as light speed rt(he reacts to the light before it reaches him)?”
-Of course not. He doesn’t do a thing. In one frame the light is not flaring in a sweeping half-crescent, and the next it is flaring in a sweeping half-crescent. We don’t even see what happened between. Kratos could be doing a headstand in picture 8, and for all we know he could have been doing that for nineteen-and-a-half-minutes. Kratos does not posses the ability to move at luminal velocities, and almost certainly never will.
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“4:18 and on zeus punches supersonic.”
-I watched from 4:12 to past 5:00, and never saw any movement remotely close to the sound barrier.
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“at 0:40 and on erynis throws a body with enough velocity to destroy a large section of the colossal stone bridge.”
-Yes. What is your point? It lends no measurement to Kratos’ speed.
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“Possible supersonic feat via being capable of Jumping onto a catapault projectile”
-Kratos did indeed have to move faster than the projectile to get onto it. But disregarding the fact that catapults are nowhere near sonic, there remains the problem that he used an item, a piece of equipment, to haul himself to the stone. That’s not combat speed. It’s not even his speed.
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Kratos doesn’t lose because we fail to recognize what is he capable of. He loses because he is outmatched. This is FactPile. Fairness is striven for.
@Soulerous
“@Rhododendron- Is that you, mrgendrons 2.0? I approve of the change.”
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^Eh dr doctor gave me the idea. *shrug*
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-Of course not. He doesn’t do a thing. In one frame the light is not flaring in a sweeping half-crescent, and the next it is flaring in a sweeping half-crescent. We don’t even see what happened between. Kratos could be doing a headstand in picture 8, and for all we know he could have been doing that for nineteen-and-a-half-minutes. Kratos does not posses the ability to move at luminal velocities, and almost certainly never will.-Of course not. He doesn’t do a thing. In one frame the light is not flaring in a sweeping half-crescent, and the next it is flaring in a sweeping half-crescent. We don’t even see what happened between. Kratos could be doing a headstand in picture 8, and for all we know he could have been doing that for nineteen-and-a-half-minutes. Kratos does not posses the ability to move at luminal velocities, and almost certainly never will.”
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^to be fair :He never knew gods explode,his sheild doing that glow shows he parried an attack of substantial force,the “hand stand” thing is completly ooc and www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tfhYD4L-eA at 0:40 and on he literally reacts to the light via instantly pulling out his sheild
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“-I watched from 4:12 to past 5:00, and never saw any movement remotely close to the sound barrier.”
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^Zeus punched kratos above the cloud line in less then 5 seconds….sounds supersonic to me.
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“-Yes. What is your point? It lends no measurement to Kratos’ speed.”
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^kratos side stepped right as erynis threw said body thus reacted to it.
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“Kratos doesn’t lose because we fail to recognize what is he capable of. He loses because he is outmatched. This is FactPile. Fairness is striven for.”
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^Could of sworn kratos was winning due to vastly supperior strength,durability and actually possessing weapons.
“to be fair :He never knew gods explode,his sheild doing that glow shows he parried an attack of substantial force,the “hand stand” thing is completly ooc and www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tfhYD4L-eA at 0:40 and on he literally reacts to the light via instantly pulling out his sheild”
-He literally does not. I know you don’t lack eyes, so take another look. A flash of light hits Kratos, and no, he does not pull out his shield in the time it takes for the light to reach him after it is generated. His shield is already out and being held, and he is moving around anxiously before simply being knocked away by that light blast. There are absolutely no light-speed reactions involved. You should know that, too, because he never moves anywhere near that fast at any other point.
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“Zeus punched kratos above the cloud line in less then 5 seconds….sounds supersonic to me.”
-I beg to differ. Nevermind how it sounds, consider how it looks. We see Zeus and Kratos traveling at a speed clearly far beneath that of Mach 1. And they are already near the clouds, so that doesn’t mean a thing. You are automatically assuming that the distance to the clouds is great enough that sonic speeds are necessary to reach them in five seconds, but that clearly is not the case, nor do we have any reason at all to believe it is. None of the calculations imply the speed you are claiming. Of course, besides that, it isn’t even Kratos’ speed anyway. It’s useless as a combat feat.
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“kratos side stepped right as erynis threw said body thus reacted to it.”
-The body wasn’t all that fast. Soccer balls get kicked that fast. But regardless, Kratos did not sidestep at all. We only see the body fly past him; Kratos watched it. He did not dodge. You can see this in the video quite easily.
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“Could of sworn kratos was winning due to vastly supperior strength,durability and actually possessing weapons.”
-It should act as a sign of warning when you are the only one who seems to think this way and basically all your feats for Kratos are consistently proven wrong. You are fan-wanking, which is not an activity smiled upon. Atlas never held Earth’s crust and the sky, and Kratos does not have sonic reaction time, let alone luminal. I always give you the benefit of the doubt, but you should truly take more care in making sure your assumptions are correct in the future.
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All the other respected debaters are not wrong where you are right. Think. Use your head. Do not be blinded by your lust for Kratos.
Kratos stronger than Akuma? LOL Kratos can sink islands with his casual blows now?
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Pssh, yeah, whatever >.>
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Oh, and the Zeus thing was a strength feat (details for why in Pit vs Kratos), and Zeus can fly so its likely he took Kratos with him in flight
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Hurr durr
@StealthRanger
“Kratos stronger than Akuma? LOL Kratos can sink islands with his casual blows now?”
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^overpowering herc,Cronus and the fingers of atlas. I’ll state that again….
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“Oh, and the Zeus thing was a strength feat (details for why in Pit vs Kratos), and Zeus can fly so its likely he took Kratos with him in flight”
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^its more of a striking feat he punched kratos hard and fast enough both were headed to the summit of sacrifice. if zeus were flying him don’t you thing hed just I don’t know go as high as he can go and then fight kratos while hes trying to use icarus wings and unable to weild a blade? Kratos has shown to be his equal in h2h in not greater.
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@Soulerous
“-He literally does not. I know you don’t lack eyes, so take another look. A flash of light hits Kratos, and no, he does not pull out his shield in the time it takes for the light to reach him after it is generated. His shield is already out and being held, and he is moving around anxiously before simply being knocked away by that light blast. There are absolutely no light-speed reactions involved. You should know that, too, because he never moves anywhere near that fast at any other point.”
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^#7 shield’s at the side,#8 instantly has sheild in front while the “light” expands and #9 doing it “parry” it did in the entire game. showing he “parried the flash”
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“I beg to differ. Nevermind how it sounds, consider how it looks. We see Zeus and Kratos traveling at a speed clearly far beneath that of Mach 1. And they are already near the clouds, so that doesn’t mean a thing. You are automatically assuming that the distance to the clouds is great enough that sonic speeds are necessary to reach them in five seconds, but that clearly is not the case, nor do we have any reason at all to believe it is. None of the calculations imply the speed you are claiming. Of course, besides that, it isn’t even Kratos’ speed anyway. It’s useless as a combat feat.”
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^Conisidering this: uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070601011257AA7kgXs www.convert-me.com/en/convert/speed the absolute low end puts the punch at mach 1.165-mach 3.586 + as a hiogh end. so yeah supersonic(not every fiction adds things like sonic booms it could just been a development error)
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