Suggested by Sauroposeidon
The Dinobots (Transformers) cause an extraordinary amount of property damage during one of their usual stunning victories over the Decepticons.
Unfortunately, this has caused the now arriving Fantastic Four to believe that they are in fact the rampaging robots that the radio news has been going on and on about. Thanks to this misunderstanding, the two heroic teams now face off against each other in a no holds bars brawl.
This fight takes place in the Marvel universe, using comic Fantastic Four and G1 Dinobots. G1 Cartoon Dinobot feats may be used to supplement any lack of information of feats which the Marvel Dinobots may lack.
Victory may be obtained through KO, death, or any other usual fashion through which comic book fights are finished. The setting is Chicago, just past noon, on a windy day with some cloud cover.
Who walks away from this match victorious?
Who is left battered and humiliated in the midst of their loss?
I’m going with the FF on this one. I think Sue, Johnny and Ben can hold them off long enough for Reed to come up with a superweapon to take them out. I’d think that’d be the general plan for them.
I don’t know much about Dinobots other than the 1986 G1 Movie, which they were fairly meh in terms of physical abilities (easily above wall+ level)
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Going with the Fantastic Four for now
Me Grimlock…like.
Just a brief over view, Grimlock and Sludge are the strongest of the two. That’d the T-Rex and Bronto. They’re roughly equal with a super saiyan as far as strength goes. Sludge routinely uses his strength to open fissures, and he’s good enough at directing his strength to aim the fissures, or he can just cause an AoE effect, although it doesn’t seem as useful. Sludge also has some kind of pulse laser eyes. Grimlock and Snarl, Snarl being the Stego, have the best armor. Snarl’s strength increases when in the sun and decreases when in the shade. Snarl can also fire his tail spikes like missiles. All dinobots have fire breath. Grimlock’s armor in particular can tank Megatron’s fusion cannon with no ill effects. Snarl’s taken tank rounds to the face and all it’s done is make him angrier. Snarl’s sun powering feat is linked to his plates. If those go, so does his ability to gain power from the sun. Slag, the Trike, is equipped with laser/lightning firing horns, and only Grimlock’s fire is supposedly as strong as his. He also has an energy deflecting frill and is supposedly really just a bit of an ass hole. Their fire breath can instantly melt groups transformers sized robots, or vaporize rock roughly the size of a transformer. In robot mode their hand held weapons don’t seem particularly strong, but they’re strong enough to blast a quick tunnel through volcanic rock, however they lose their incredible durability in return for flight. Swoop retains flight even in his animal mode, with is a Ptera, and in this mode he has fire breath, laser eyes, laser cannons on his wings, and the cannons can be deployed like bombs. He makes a better bomber than an interceptor, as he is incredible accurate at bomb drops, but he’s not nearly as fancy a flier as other flying transformers. His armor and strength make up for this, however. Despite being better armed, armored, and stronger than any other flying transformer his size, he’s still considered the weakest of the Dinobots. I’ll see about pirating some G1 transformers comics today, since I know no one in my area is selling them. G1 Transformers in general can survive magma at least, but they seem to have a hard time swimming in it. Grimlock, the leader, is supposedly better at everything, or at least equal to his other Dinobots, even in the areas they specialize in. He’s taken Megatron’s cannon, as I’ve mentioned, suffered Trypticon, a city-sized transformer, falling on him, and has nabbed a passing jet out of the air with his jaws. The cartoon depicts them as idiots, but the comic-verse Dinobots are simply red-neck levels of violent and reckless as opposed to being actually mentally retarded.
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I do think Tech’s idea is a good one. Sue, Johnny, and Ben would be able to make a great distraction. Ben may have a harder time trying to deal with Sludge or Grimlock but if they could drop him on Swoop it’d put the fight in their favor a lot.
Even as just a distraction from that kind of power, Reed given any prep is extremely dangerous, even people like Galactus wouldn’t want to give that guy 1 minute of time to think.
One question. Is Franklin with them. If he is this stops being a fight.
“One question. Is Franklin with them. If he is this stops being a fight.”
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Pretty sure it’s just the FF, not the FF and their family.
Aren’t the Dinobots like a mini army in terms of sheer power? I mean they did more damage to Unicron then the ship they were in.
@Harbinger of Pastries
I thought he was part of the team now after the future foundation thing, had a suit and everything.
Could be wrong though I guess
If Franklin somehow is considered part of the team this becomes a stomp.
“Pretty sure it’s just the FF, not the FFand their family.”
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Last I checked family is part of the team, also spiderman. Val and Franklin are like upgraded versions of their parents. Val being Reed, Frank being Susan.
More like Frank being a Celestial that pimp smacks Galactus.
@Lowk
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How many names do you have?
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But I was under the impression that Spider-Man and the children were part of the Future Foundation. That being said while being the “upgrade” to the Fantastic Four I would have assumed that Fantastic Four means…well the Fantastic Four meaning only Thing Mr. Fantastic, Invisible Woman, and the Human Torch.
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“More like Frank being a Celestial that pimp smacks Galactus.”
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Meant in relation to the team. They fit the same dynamic as their parents. Val is the super brain(Reed), Frank is the superpowerful one(Susan). Though Val may have a bit of Doom hiding in there.
Also, yes he can hang in the league with beings like galactus. He wouldn’t pimpslap him though. lol
Will the FF be hindered by civillians? If not, couldn’t Johnny just supernova the Dinobots? I’m not too framilar with the FF. But I was under the impression that the Human Torch was really powerful.
@Lancer
I think 4 now. Really depends on what character I find intresting at the time.
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As for the ff thing I thought the actual family was apart of the team but your right about the Spiderman thing. He joined when they became the Future F, Before that he was just a part timer. Not sure about the kids though.
However Its was probably assumed to be the core 4 so I might as well just stick to them unless stated otherwise
I don’t recall the Human torch being able to go supernova
I thought he could. But he can dish out alot of damage either way:
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Here is a scan where his energy rivals that of an exploding star:
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@epic
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It almost looks like Storm (?) is adding her power to Johnny’s
@Lowk
didn’t future Frank have Galactus as his hearald as opposed to being the herald. Considering Galactus at max is generally a lot stronger than his heralds, either way he’s not someone who would have trouble with the dinobots. That’s why I asked if he was in the fight.
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It almost looks like Storm (?) is adding her power to Johnny’s”
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That’s what it looked like to me. Still impressive though.
This is looking like the FF might have this even without Reed. Anyone have feats and capacity for the dinobots?
I know the Dinobots are really strong so I think they have the potential to win. I’m not really finding any impressive feats for the rest of the Fantastic Four. So it looks like the Human Torch would be their best chance at winning.
“I’m not really finding any impressive feats for the rest of the Fantastic Four. So it looks like the Human Torch would be their best chance at winning.”
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I think him a Susan are known to be the most powerful of tge team. I see what I can find for her.
Him and Susan. not a.
Reed Richards is possibly the most dangerous of them with his genius intellect and invention skills. I remember in the Ultimate FF where he made a machine where he opened a portal to a baby universe so the energy of a big bang would be focused as a super laser.
Stuff like that makes him a key factor.
here’s what happens if Galbatorix does get beaten.
“The ground rumbled and shook; then the front of the citadel exploded outward in a wall of white and yellow flame so bright, Roran saw the bones withing the archers neck and head, his flesh like a red gooseberry held before a candle.
Roran grabbed the archer and rolled off the edge of the stone block, pulling the other man with him.
A blast of sound struck them as they fell. It felt as if spikes were being driven into Roran’s ears. He screamed but he could not hear himself——-or, after the initial clap of thunder, could he hear anything else. The cobblestones bucked underneath them, a cloud of dust and ebris hurtled over them, blotting out the sun, and a massive wind tore at Roran’s clothes.
The dust forced Roran to squeeze his eyes shut. All he could do was cling to the archer and wait for the upheaval to subside. He tried to take a breath, but the heated wind snatched the air from his lips and nose before he could fill his lungs. Something struck his head, and he felt his helmet fly off.
The shaking went on and on, but at last the ground grew still again and Roran opened his eyes, afraid of what he would see.
the air was gray and dim; objects past a few hundred feet were lost in the haze. Small chunks of wood and stone rained from the sky, along with flakes of ash. A piece of timber that lay across the street from him——part of a flight of stairs the elves had broken when they destroyed the gate——was burning. The heat of the explosion had already charred the beam along its full length. The warriors who had been standing in the open now lay flat on the ground some still moving, others clearly dead.
Roran glanced at the archer. The man had bitten through his bottom lip; blood coated his chin.
They helped each other off the ground, and Roran looked toward where the citadel had been. He could see nothing but gray darkness.”
Eragon survived that because he had an idea of what was coming. If anyone on SoT does manage to get Galbatorix to the point of using that they won’t know what’s coming and thus not know what to do until they are wiped out. Of course that’s on the off chance the do get through his defenses. Unless they kill him instantly he’ll be fine.
ignore that laptop wigged out and put me on the wrong thread and didn’t realize it.
Lulz. It’s cool, wondering WTF you were going about, but cool now.
The participating members of the Fantastic Four are the usual members. Johnny, Reeds, Sue, and Ben. As I recall, She-Hulk was once a member, and I reserve the ability to allow her to participate if the Dinobots due to some unforeseen reason manage to stomp in order to even things up, although I don’t think they will, even if they win.
Some Invisible Woman stuff
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Shot from galactus
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Blocks q hit from Hulk
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Talks about how she took on celestial and she blows some robots up that are known for taking over planets
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Takes some hits from Gladiator
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Makes torch invisible and shields the blast
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Cuts through ten acres of ground
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Blocks Terrax
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Places force fields in Wolverine and blinds him
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Defends against island destroying bomb
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Nice stuff on Sue. So obviously she will be the Fantastic Four’s best defensive bet. While Human Torch could really cause the Dinobots some problems. In all honesty I want the Dinobots to win because I love Grimlock. But I would like to see some feats on them first.
suaroposiedan@ That’d the T-Rex and Bronto.
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they no longer call what sludge is a brontosaurus, its now called a apatosaurus
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as for who wins….. i hate to say it but the fantastic four sort of curbstomps this.
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1. they have time to prepare, meaning that reeds will have time to think
2. the dinobots are somewhat easy to find seeing as they are animals that have been extinct for 65 million years.
3. autobots are not resistant to fire.
4. they will most likely call them things and piss off the thing.
5. you guys think for something im getting something to eat
I have little doubt that when Sue wants, she’ll be able to form a defense against the Dinobots at least for a time. They are not an organized unit, though. They break up and wing it (like bad asses! *clears his throat*) when they start fighting, so trying to deal with all of them at varied locations might be difficult.
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“they no longer call what sludge is a brontosaurus, its now called a apatosaurus”
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No, Sludge is a Brontosaurus. The fact that it’s not a real dinosaur does not change this.
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“1. they have time to prepare, meaning that reeds will have time to think”
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The FF’s prep time is roughly as long as it takes them to respond from when the news reports that there are giant robots destroying the city. Considering the fact that the Dinobots are clearly still there when the FF arrive, I believe this indicates that they didn’t sit around for a long time coming up with new toys, seeing as the Dinobots would have just left if they had the time to.
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“2. the dinobots are somewhat easy to find seeing as they are animals that have been extinct for 65 million years.”
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Their goal is not to hide.
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“3. autobots are not resistant to fire.”
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To.. camp fire? Artillery fire? You gotta be more specific.
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“4. they will most likely call them things and piss off the thing.”
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I think it’s safe to say that the Dinobots are already pissed off. I don’t see how that effects the match much, though.
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For various cartoon feats. I’ll look in to getting comic feats. However, I want to bring up that despite their strength, Ben still has a role as an excellent pilot, which I think may count for something.
Franklin Richards is around TOAA in terms of cosmic sway though, he recreates Marvel whenever he feels the need, he also changes his age every fucking issue for the first forty years of marvels history.
sorry for double post
Could Sue put a force field in a Spark with the same intent as she puts shields in peoples brains?
Can team 1 be hurt by an EMP? Survey says reed needs scrap metal and some wiring to make one.
“To.. camp fire? Artillery fire? You gotta be more specific.”
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To fire with the heat of a super nova.
“To fire with the heat of a super nova.”
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Actually, Johnny’s “Super Nova” was never shown to be even close to the temperatures of a super nova. He’s only shown a few million, from his high end feats.
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www.comicvine.com/human-torch/29-2120/when-human-torch-goes-supernova-is-a-true-gage-of-his-power/92-565693/? Here is the thread that explains.
I think everyone knows that the torch can’t really hit super nova temperatures.
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“Could Sue put a force field in a Spark with the same intent as she puts shields in peoples brains?”
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I don’t think sparks existed back then.
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“Can team 1 be hurt by an EMP? Survey says reed needs scrap metal and some wiring to make one.”
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Maybe. I don’t know, although I’d wager yes in robot mode, probably not in dinosaur mode.
I thought G1 did have sparks not that it matters, since the Spark in Transformers is basically their soul, so not sure how Sue’s shields would really work on that…
man shes Hot! Its Fantastic FOUR were talking about.Of course their gonna win. They obviously have beat Dr. Doom. Nuff said
“Actually, Johnny’s “Super Nova” was never shown to be even close to the temperatures of a super nova. He’s only shown a few million, from his high end feats.”
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Thanks for clearing that up.
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“I think everyone knows that the torch can’t really hit super nova temperatures.”
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I was unaware that was common knowledge.
Also that thread states that Johnny can at least reach the power of a nuclear blast? Can the Dinobots tank that? If not I’d say that about wraps this up.
“Also that thread states that Johnny can at least reach the power of a nuclear blast? Can the Dinobots tank that? If not I’d say that about wraps this up.”
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I know Grimlock can take a hit from a fusion cannon so I’m inclined to say yes, but since comic writers don’t understand things like FUSION CANNONS I’m also inclined to say no. The question here is can Johnny use his super nova on a regular basis, and could he do such safely in a city setting?
I see where you are coming from on the Fusion cannon. According to the Marvel G1 Transformer comic it suggests that Megatron’s fusion cannon is powered by some nuclear reaction. That is just what I dug up from a brief search. Do you have any more information on it?
Random question how do you get so many matchs posted?
I guess because the ones I propose are unique, or at least different enough from the usual influx to catch Admin’s eye. I also know he’s a transformers fan, just based on his own matches that he’s put up. And I don’t have any more information on the fusion cannon at the moment.
Oh I should also note, this is like the third or fourth Dinobots match I’ve suggested, so it’s not like everything I suggest gets through.
As much as I love the Fantastic Four, they are waaaay outgunned in terms of raw firepower. The only ones who could even distract the dinobots would be the Human Torch, and the rock guy who continually gets his ass beat by the Hulk.
The only chance they really have is if Mr smartypants can figure out how to power them down.
No, I’m not complaining. It’s just you have two matches on the front page and I’m just curious how I could get some of my matches posted.
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On topic, if the Dinobots manage to take out the Human Torch I think they will take this match.
Are you of the opinion that they could manage that?
I think Grimlock could for sure. That guy is a monster. I mean Mr. Fantastic is going to have any prep against these guys, so he is pretty much out of the equation. And I don’t think The Thing could do much. Sue Storm couldn’t really harm them. So I think if the Dinobots take out Johnny then they win. I also feel Grimlock could catch the Human Torch. Since you stated he was able to snatch a jet out of the sky. I’m not sure how fast HT can fly but I don’t think it is to fast. Also that fusion cannon feat is really quite impressive. So I’m leaning towards Grimlock and friends at the moment.
The jet was flying low enough at the time for him to do it. Do you think it’d be possible for Torch, Thing, and Sue to fend off the five Dinobots while Reeds tries to construct some kind of detaining or knock out device? Does he already have something that would be useful in his lab?
“Does he already have something that would be useful in his lab?”
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More than likely yes. I’m not an FF expert so I can’t say what it is. Do I think Human Torch, The Thing, and Sue could fend them off while Reed constructs something? I’m dubious. I realized that Johnny wouldn’t just go “nova” at the begging, it’s not his style. Nor is it PIS. If Grimlock managed to snag a jet(the speed is what impressed me) I’m sure he could smack HT down from the sky, which would most likely result in a KO. Then I would guess the other Dinobots would just overwhelm the rest of the Fantastic Four. That’s just what I believe will happen.
Some combat feats for the Dinobots
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Starting at 16:40 the Dinobots defend the Ark from the Constructicons. While clearly superior in combat to their Decepticon foes, once they combine they become more evenly matched. Devestator has a particular weak point in his center which can dislock and force them to uncombine, but they are either too bullheaded or too imprecise to make use of it. You can see Optimus exploit it later in the episode, and in another one Perceptor exploits it as well.
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Grimlock mandhandles Megatron, and isn’t even phased by the fusion cannon, which has performance ranging from normal energy gun hitting roughly as hard as artillery to ripping off an entire (metal) cliff face in the transformers movie as seen here at roughly 50 seconds in..
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The Dinobots themselves are in the movie as well.
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The Dinobots take quite a beating at times with no discernible damage and never appear to be in pain or are slowed down except for when Swoop gets clobbered by Devastator. Most notably, since alot of their scenes are comic relief, they actually manage to cause damage to Unicron when they attack him. Sure they have to retreat, but Grimlock shows he can dodge when he wants to, and more importantly they tore through his armor, which EXPLODING AN ENTIRE MOON ON TOP OF HIM couldn’t do earlier in the movie.
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Unicron shows up at 3:58, munches one moon, then goes for the second one. Witwicky and Bumblebee set it off just after 6:00. That’s a BIG explosion. Of course, G1 is fairly inconsistent, and Unicron may be like the Dinobots and suffer a loss of armor effectiveness after he transforms. The Dinobots also enjoy a Sweeps kill after a quick spurt of flame at around 8:40.
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I have no idea ow relevant this is, but the original commercial for them features Soundwave and the usually successful Laser Beak being completely ineffectual against them.
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Also, at the start of the above we see the Dinobots walk through the military’s (hijacked by an AI) vehicles. At 2:50 we also get to enjoy Optimus’ well trained lock picking skills.
Yeah, Dinobots for the win.
I’m going for the FF. Johnny could fly at Mach 1 and his flame body is lighter than which makes his agility crazy high, Factor in identical flame clones and him getting hit gets more unlikely. Flames are also largely ineffective.
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Sue could cover for Reed using invisibility and barriers. She could then make the Dinobots exteriors invisible, allowing reed to observe their inner workings and find weak points and the like.
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Ben is kinda the odd one out, Dinos touch him and the 1000 pound rock man goes flying. He’s crazy durable and has tons of willpower though, so one shotting seems him seems unlikely.
Do the Dinobots have any ranged attacks aside from the flame breath?
Some of Reed
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Redirect opponents own energy
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Builds device that could take out a small moon
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Builds a device capable of disrupting a cosmic cube
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Universal Entropy Gun that can hurt a Celestial
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lol, cosmic cubes. Reed apparently enjoys making them.
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“The only ones who could even distract the dinobots would be the Human Torch”
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Also, Susan. Her shields can be used offensively as well as defensively.
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LOLOLOLOLOL. Because we needed more proof that Reeds can build whatever he wants, I guess.
So would a cosmic cube or a celestial hurting weapon be enough to hurt the dinobots?
I’m inclined to say yes. However, the devices he’s using to do such are specially designed to do such, it seems. Whatever Reed builds would probably be specifically designed to try and stop the Dinobots, although the question is if he can build it in time to keep the other members of the FF from getting trounced, with the Dinobots walking off scott free from the dazed and battered trio. Although it does seem that if they really put their mind to it, they can put out a very, very good defense game.
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To judge their abilities, I think taking a look at times they’ve lost fights, to see what it takes to get away from them or send them running away or some other form of them just not getting the job done.
“Whatever Reed builds would probably be specifically designed to try and stop the Dinobots, although the question is if he can build it in time to keep the other members of the FF from getting trounced, with the Dinobots walking off scott free from the dazed and battered trio.”
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Well he kind of had those things lying around and one fires a shell to penetrate an impenetrable shell. Couldn’t he just go “ah yes, this will do nicely, Susan could you please assist in holding our mechanical friends steady for me.”
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Reed: “hmm, we need a quick resolve to this. Johnny could you hand me my cosmic cube.”
Susan: “Stop making those!”
“impenetrable shell”
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object, I mean. He said object.
The thing with anti-matter is nothing can actually tank it. Matter and Anti-matter literally destroy each other, as I recall. However, the effects would be bad in a city. Unlike in space, the enormous energies released would cause massive damage to the city, and an anti-matter shot should technically detonate as soon as it hits matter.. which air is. The anti-matter payload may only have enough to get through the shell of the celestial as well, which may or may not be thicker than the armor plating on a dinobot, what really did them in was the weapon’s secondary effect..which I have no idea how that may effect a Dinobot, I’m sorry. I doubt the probably kiloton(s) level explosions that would result from matter and anti-matter reacting to one another would do much to the celestials
“Unlike in space, the enormous energies released would cause massive damage to the city”
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You win this time science.
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What about the device he used to turn someone power back on to them. Would that be useful?
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I think he’s made an Anti gravity gun before to. Maybe he could use that then have Susan toss them into space.
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“Victory may be obtained through KO, death, or any other usual fashion through which comic book fights are finished.”
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Oh, Susan puts everybody in a bubble lets them calm down a bit then uses the power of logic and reasoning on why they shouldn’t be fighting. Then they team up and fight the big bad of the issue. I mean this wouldn’t be the first time Transformers showed up in marvel and worked together.
“You win this time science.”
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It tends to.
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“What about the device he used to turn someone power back on to them. Would that be useful?”
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I want to say no, because they don’t actually have powers. They’re just big robots.
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“I think he’s made an Anti gravity gun before to. Maybe he could use that then have Susan toss them into space.”
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That might work.
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“Oh, Susan puts everybody in a bubble lets them calm down a bit then uses the power of logic and reasoning on why they shouldn’t be fighting. Then they team up and fight the big bad of the issue. I mean this wouldn’t be the first time Transformers showed up in marvel and worked together.”
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That might work too.
When I stop to think about it. Would them agreeing to join sides constitute the first ever double factpile award?
This makes me wonder what a conversation between Grimlock and Ben would be like…
“When I stop to think about it. Would them agreeing to join sides constitute the first ever double factpile award?”
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It could if ties were allowed. At least I remember it being stated somewhere that a a tie ins’t allowed. But if they aren’t I would say the side that try”s for reason first would probably be the winner.
How likely are the dinobots to try and attempt to settle this with words?
Grimlock was a super genius at one point.
“How likely are the dinobots to try and attempt to settle this with words?”
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It would be the first thing they do.. is use words. I can’t say how nice they’d be, though. It would probably either be a threat to go away or a taunt to come at them.
“It would be the first thing they do.. is use words. I can’t say how nice they’d be, though. It would probably either be a threat to go away or a taunt to come at them.”
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That would probably would set Johnny and Ben off. Then would come Susan and Reed either aid them or try and talk sense into them. Then fighting for a while.
Kind of seems like a What-if then a Factpile deathbattle.
I thought FP rules state that the fights are to be to the death unless otherwise stated in the scenario.
Then you didn’t read the scenario.
Well, I didn’t read it close enough, but under a second look, yep, you’re right.
I would say the might end up resolving their issues. It might take some fighting to reach that point though.
Well, if ties aren’t allowed then I guess the question is who would be the party that seems more in control of the fight until a peace is brokered somehow?
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Because it needs to be said. Rest in peace, Sludge.
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Ah that sucks.
Yes. Yes it does. A lot.
Fantastic Four need more matches on this site.
Human Torch solos:
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Reed + Entropy Gun=Dead Dinobots
They’re not popular and hard to make matches for unfortunately.
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Human Torch does not solo. I don’t even know if he’s hot enough to kill them in one go.
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Does Reed regularly carry the Entropy Gun on his person?
@Sauroposeidon
No I don’t think he has if it was probably destroyed by Celestials.
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