Suggested by X
Perhaps three of the most well known antagonists today, the Terminators, Xenomorphs and Zombies will face off against each other.
The fight happens in New York during the time of Skynet and an army of xenomorphs also moved in.
NOTE: Terminators have 50,000 units. Xenomorphs arrive as an army of 500,000 and there are 5 million zombies.
Which group would win?
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Initial bets with the Terminators due to sheer firepower
Zombies have no chance at all in this fight, LOL, especially again the terminators, what do they do???? Try to bite off terminator’s head or what?? I think xeno will take this, because terminators are pretty slow, and they’re being outnumbered ten to one
Xenomorphs curbstomp. There is an actual Aliens vs Terminator vs Predator comic, and the Terminators discard their older models in order to make new biotech models using the tech that makes xenomorphs once they have some samples. Considering that Terminator and Alien have been connected longer than Predator and Alien has, I see no reason to contest this. The Terminators will have no way to adapt as they lack time and numbers, especially with zombies giving the Aliens all the host bodies they need.
Terminators
There weapons, armor, and different specializations coupled with the fact that they have no remorse and are backed by a network of super computers…… vs 5million cannon fodders and half a million xenomorphs???
The zombies DO have a small chance… You know, if X say that there are 5 millions left 4 dead tanks running around…
How many of each type of Terminator? If they actually go “1, 2, 3, etc.” without skipping, then they don’t even have enough to have one of each type (there’s a T-1,000,000)
“You know, if X say that there are 5 millions left 4 dead tanks running around…”
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True.
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“There weapons, armor, and different specializations coupled with the fact that they have no remorse and are backed by a network of super computers…… vs 5million cannon fodders and half a million xenomorphs???”
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I should mention that xenomorphs are able to get through terminator armor, and in a hand to hand fight any damage dealt to the terminator results in acid blood spray. They are masters of stealth, don’t show up on infrared, and are fast as hell. Terminators prefer plasma weapons traditionally, and discarded ballistic weaponry as nothing more than a back up once plasma became available. They use plasma weaponry in all of the first three movies, and hadn’t discovered it yet in Salvation. This gives the xenomorphs a distinct edge, as while it’s the only thing hot enough to really hurt them, it still isn’t a sure-fire one hit kill, and the Xenomorph is likely to get back up even after a direct hit. Similar to the human rebels of the era, Xenomorphs tend to stay in underground tunnels, and their penchant for fighting at night makes them more difficult to spot. So we have armor which doesn’t work, weapons which may not work.. what else have you stated? Oh yes, different specializations. Which ones will work how well against xenomorphs? The older models before “Arnie”, by whatever model number you want to grant him, are too slow. The typical T-101 most people think of is not fast enough, lacks the armor, lacks the weaponry, and only has strength going for it. The T-1000 has NO ranged attacks, meaning it will rely on whatever guns it can pick up, much like the T-101, but will likely suffer larger losses due to acid blood and it’s penchant for melee. The T-X has the best shot here, if her ability to take over machines can translate to biomechanitech then she just might have a shot. But her model line also has a more powerful in built plasma cannon along with a few other weapons. Any T-X’s the xeno’s run in to might give them problems. MIGHT. The larger models are too slow to avoid the issues associated with the “Xeno Swarm” outside of the Hunter Killer. These are the biggest problems for the xenomorphs if there are no flying animals for them to use as hosts. So out of “varied” types.. only one type is really dangerous to the Xenomorphs, which is not usually depicted in very high numbers. The next bit here is.. remorseless.. at what point are Xenormophs NOT remorseless? I think that pretty much covers that. Now we come to the super computer back up. If they have a central HQ then they’re in trouble, and the Aliens do also use an intelligent central mind to coordinate their efforts. If Skynet is destroyed, it’s GONE, at best it has a small back up in every single Terminator. Meanwhile Aliens have two methods of making new Queens, and the loss of a Queen would not cripple them the same way the lose of skynet would cripple the Terminators. None of your points stand, Wolf. Concede.
Just for fun, how about using only the best kind of each side? Like 50 000 T-X, 500 000 warriors or something like that (I’m not an expert about xeno) and 5 millions L4D tanks, or resident evil’s nemesis, or zombies hulks with cosmic power?
Will it be only the Terminators or will they have all of their units types?
I doubt the zombies will be much more than an annoyance for either party here but I think the Xenos will come out on top.
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Acid blood should destroy the weaker Termies with only the Liquid Metal and T-X really posing too much of a problem to the Aliens on their spree. Once the praetors and Queen(s) manifest among the hundreds of thousand other Xenos, Termies will fall out due to their numbers.
Zombies from what?
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Here’s a list of known Terminator Series’:
terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Series
Pay attention to the bottom row, especially.
Are the comics, TV series, novels, etc. considered canon for Terminators (or Xenos, if there are any, I guess)?
While the Xenos are tough, I’ll stick with the Terminators.
How much of which terminators are there?
What about T infinity?
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There are different types of machines Skynet has. There’s the T 1-7 i2.listal.com/image/1732528/600full-terminator-3%3A-rise-of-the-machines-screenshot.jpg
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Hunter Killers sjponeill.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/tumblr_lm3uvcvoz11qkit3mo1_500.jpg
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The T-600 cdn.hypebeast.com/image/2009/06/hot-toys-terminator-endoskeleton-t600-1.jpg
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I have to go soon. For now, I’m siding with the Terminators and their machines.
Do the zombies atleast have a chance swarming the Terminators with sheer numbers?
considering Skynet had control of the planet and couldn’t stomp out humanity they sure as fuck aren’t stomping out the xeno’s. Zombies are kind of pointless, they try to attack xenos or do bite xenos and melt before the infection can happen if they infect. attack the terminators and nothing happens.
This is like Xeno’s vs Pandora kind of. Yes the Xenomorphs only have x troops now but between zombies and any wildlife left Xeno’s will likely be able to spread.
Xeno’s are also smart and vindictive. They aren’t going to just charge up to skynet, they are going to go under skynet if they attack it at all early on find the central computer and start cutting themselves and splashing acid blood all over skynet’s brain.
“They aren’t going to just charge up to skynet, they are going to go under skynet if they attack it at all early on find the central computer and start cutting themselves and splashing acid blood all over skynet’s brain.”
The T 1,000,000 that epicazeroth mentioned was made to defend Skynet’s core. It’s a gigantic, spiderlike version of the T-1000.
images.wikia.com/terminator/images/7/78/T23d-art-concepting-013.jpg
Zombies are perfect for the Xenomorphs’ eggs. I think Terminators have the best chance though.
@Rorschach
I know about them, but a full Xeno attack directly to the skynet core would give T1m some trouble.
Err.. Zombies are dead so can Xenos infect them?
I would say Xenos. For the reasons everyone mentioned. Many zombies as hosts, numbers, acid, etc.
The Zombies are literally pointless. They aren’t strong enough to do any damage to either the Xenomorphs or Terminators. The only thing that they might be able to do is kill off wildlife to prevent Xenomorphs from spreading as much.
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I see the Terminators winning this. Essentially, each Terminator will only have to kill 10 xenomorphs, and many models of Terminator should be able to pull off more than 10 kills. This doesn’t account for Xenomorphs spreading through wildlife, but the Xenomorphs are going to be in a bad position this entire time.
“Many zombies as hosts,”
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Zombies can’t be hosts. The host needs to be living, otherwise it isn’t providing nutrients for the developing Chestburster.
What about the tanks? The HK Tank would shred Xenos, FK Venom has plasma everything. The list goes on.
Depend on which kind of zombies, if this is “undead” zombies, similar to the walking dead’s zombies, keep walking without many major organ, and don’t really need to eat, chest buster have no way to infect them. But if we go with “living” zombies, like 28 days later, or I’m legend, the chest buster sure have a nice fun play.
How about we use L4D zombies as they pack the most punch?
Yeah, sure, as I suggested, 5 millions tanks running around…
Or Spitters.
Hold it … what kind of zombies are we talking here?
Certain franchises/varieties of zombies, even though some technically aren’t zombies in the traditional sense are freaky.
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That said … barring a higher tier zombie variety, they’re mainly a distraction for the terminators and the xenos – background, as it were.
Well what nutrients do face huggers need that a zombie would not provide? So far it seems like more than a safe location and biomass, but if that’s it there should be no problem.
Xenos all the way. An army of 500,000 Xenos is enough to take out anything. That many Xenos will need several Queens. One of them will be an Empress. Praetorians will begin to evolve. Then the Xeno evolutionary loop will begin.
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I would like to know what kind of Terms, Xenos and Zeds we have here. There are way too many types of each to have an actual debate without us knowing each type and how many there are.
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The Xenos will not charge all their numbers at the Terms. They will go in the sewers (PERFECT for Xenos), hide in the buildings and subways. Thier first priority is to set up several hives, I say several because of the massive amount of Xenos that are present. They will wait in the sewers until hives are setup, plus anything that goes into the sewers is dead. The Terminators will be busy mowing down the massive amounts of Zombies, since Zombies are the only thing that have a heat signature and not to mention a very low intelligence factor. To get through 5 million zombies would require an amazing amount of ammo and resources.
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Once the majority of the Zeds are dead, baby. The Terms will be in need of ammo (do they run out?), this is the perfect time for the Xenos to attack. Keep in mind that the Terms main mission is to kill, they will go looking for anything, meaning they will go in the buildings, sewers and subways. Then they get ambushed.
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Seriously though, we NEED to know specifics of this match.
The T7-T Tetrapod. It also defends the core of Skynet and key points of interest for Skynet.
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Mototerminators.
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Oh yea, the T infinity has a Time Displacement Chamber on it. And multiple on board weaponry.
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The TX can control other machines if she wanted to. Has multiple weapons, including a plasma cannon.
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The Harvester
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Hunter Killer Tank
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A larger version of the T-1.
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The Terminators certainly have the firepower to kill the xenos.
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“They will go in the sewers”
Hydrobot Terminators do too.
www.terminatorsalvation.ca/gallery/images/terminator-salvation-hydrobot.jpg
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They mainly stay in sewers and areas where there’s water.
“Hydrobot Terminators do too.”
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Those are cute. Two problems with this. 1, we don’t know if those are being used in this match. 2, they rely only on blades to kill. Needless to say, blades don’t work against Xenos. Next.
The HK Silverfish. It targets enemy command posts, heads into them, and explodes.
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The HK Spider Tank
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The HKVTOL. More powerful than the HK-Aerial.
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Aerostats. They send signals to Harvesters, and help them find humans. Or in this case, Xenomorphs.
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I-REAPER-I
“Next.”
What about all the other models of Terminators and HK’s that you seemed to ignore?
I never ignored them. They just aren’t a threat. If you would have read my post you would know why.
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The first thing the Xenos will do is go underground or find a secured, isolated and fortified location to set up a hive. Anything small enough to enters this area will die.
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The zeds will keep the Terms occupied for a while. Plus they will soak up a huge chunk of their ammo. Since bodyshots don’t do anything to zeds, It will take several shots per Term to bring one down. And since every Term will have to kill 100 zeds, the majority of their ammo will be gone.
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But this is mostly assumptions since we still don’t know what kind of Xenos or Terms or Zeds we are using.
Sure the terminator would this fight hands down, the guns, no pain , strength , power, steel plated body , computer chop that enchant there aimming.
Xenos don’t really have much other then there spit, sleath
Yes not like we’ve seen Xeno’s tear through steel and other metals before, oh wait yes we have.
“The first thing the Xenos will do is go underground or find a secured, isolated and fortified location to set up a hive. Anything small enough to enters this area will die.”
And you think that because the Hydrobots can go down there that they won’t come with others?
“But this is mostly assumptions since we still don’t know what kind of Xenos or Terms or Zeds we are using.”
I’m getting the images for them and brief info, so that when it is specific as to which Terminators are being used, I can go into more detail about what the Terminators and HK’s are capable of.
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Sidewinder. Has electroshock weapons.
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The Dire Wolf. As big as an HK Aerial.
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“I’m getting the images for them and brief info, so that when it is specific as to which Terminators are being used, I can go into more detail about what the Terminators and HK’s are capable of.”
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I can see that. It doesn’t mean shit when the person who suggested the match hasn’t specified the types of characters we are using. So all your pictures aren’t helping.
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“And you think that because the Hydrobots can go down there that they won’t come with others?”
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I was hoping they would. Try and explain how the Terms will kill something they cannot see or sense. Something that can, at it weakest form, rip through 3 inches of titanium like it was tissue paper. Something that is literally invisible when it doesn’t move, to both normal human vision and thermal imaging. Something that is strong enough to topple an APC with a single shoulder bash. And don’t forget, thousands of Xenos, all in one space, mostly on the walls, with acid blood. If one Terminator shoots one Xeno on the ceiling, that acid will come down on the Terms heads, destroying them.
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That’s IF the Terms can even get a shot off before they are pounced on and ripped to shreds. The ONLY way the Terms will win is if the Xenos adopt a Colonial style of warfare and charge their entire force headfirst at the Terms. Then they will get blown straight to hell.
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But seeing as how they will never do that, don’t hold your breath.
maybe comments should halt totally until the match suggester does state something more definite since getting a little close to fifty now.
Exactly. EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!….Kidding:) But for real.
Terminators aren’t the only threat the Xenomorphs have, is what I’m getting at. There are many different versions of Hunter Killers and machines that they have made to adapt to their enemy. FK Reaper. 4 modes of vision, Heavy plasma cannon, and a flamethrower. images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb57524/terminator/images/0/0f/FKReaper.jpg
“Something that can, at it weakest form, rip through 3 inches of titanium like it was tissue paper.”
Many Terminator models have Hyperalloy, which is a metal that is more durable to Titanium, and heat resistant. T-850s armor can withstand plasma blasts from plasma cannons. The T-1000 has mimetic pollyalloy, It is a highly resilient battle unit and is able to withstand a wide variety of temperatures, ranging up to at least 300 degrees Celsius-
“Something that is literally invisible when it doesn’t move, to both normal human vision and thermal imaging. ”
Terminators have multiple modes of vision.
Also, The T-800 model Terminators have Nuclear energy iridium cells that power them, and the T-850 models have Two Hydrogen fuel cells.
The T-900 models have a miniature fusion plasma reactor.
What I’m getting at is that, Those can explode.
Shhhhhhhh.
I have no idea why everyone is going with xenos. I think Terminators stomp both sides, especially if they have variety in units. And especially if its with skynet around. No humans in this match to worry about. I’ll break down my views on this.
Zombies-Short of L4D tanks, but I’m getting the NOTLD feel here, completly useless, They can’t even be used as hosts for xenos, which need living hosts for gestation. Might cause some problems to xenos if zombie flesh is toxic to them, or if bites do anything, if they ever get the chance. Stomped.
Xenos vs Terminators- Terminator combat strategy and tactics would be the factor here. Especially as this is Skynet future Earth, the are fighting in their home turf. Aerial HKs providing air support and any leftover nukes Skynet might have could destroy nests.
However even without skynet support, Terminators are smart, in a big group given these parameters for combat scenario, I see them setting up command structure, bases to get resouces, and machines to produce more terminators. Defensive lines, trench style warfare with sentry machine guns, the works. Any xenos would be destroyed. Xenos could send all 500,000 at them and not get close enough for acid spray damage.
The terminators use of accurate ranged weapons alone would put it ahead of the 10:1 kill to death ratio to win this. Syncing up and working together, setting up defenses, xenos have no chance.
Also, as xenos couldn’t use zombies for breeding, and if they turn out to be toxic, can’t use them as food. It’d be one hive slowly starving to death. Terminators could wait them to death. No setting up more hives because there is nothing to make more xenos out of.
“Xenomorphs curbstomp. There is an actual Aliens vs Terminator vs Predator comic, and the Terminators discard their older models in order to make new biotech models using the tech that makes xenomorphs once they have some samples. Considering that Terminator and Alien have been connected longer than Predator and Alien has, I see no reason to contest this. The Terminators will have no way to adapt as they lack time and numbers, especially with zombies giving the Aliens all the host bodies they need.”
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That comic books isn’t canon. In it they killed Ripley at the end. Canonically Ripley is still alive and featured in the book Original Sin. I believe they also plan on continuing her story.
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As for this match this can entirely go either way. The Terminators are superior to the Colonial Marines and their combat droids in every conceivable way and with their sensors ambush is impossible since they can see and hear everything. They also have multiple combat models that will be difficult for the Xenos to take down. The HK’s come to mind. Their weapons will take a Xeno warrior out with one shot and since the standard issue weapons for the T-850s is General Dynamics RBS-80 Phased Plasma Pulse Gun they will essentially be firing plasma Gatling guns. However they are outnumbered by 450,000 so that there is their true problem.
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“considering Skynet had control of the planet and couldn’t stomp out humanity they sure as fuck aren’t stomping out the xeno’s. ”
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Skynet lost because Skynet killed itself. The whole underlying basis of the Terminator series is Fate and it was Skynet’s fate to lose. Skynet lost to the humans so it sent a Terminator back in time to kill the mother of the Resistance leader who rallied all the humans together and showed them how to defeat Skynet. In response John Connor sent back Kyle Reese. This is the event that caused John Connor to be born in the first place. This is further complicated by the fact that if Skynet would have never sent the T-101 back Sara Connor would have never went to Mexico where she learned guerrilla and terrorist tactics which she then imparted to her son nor would she would have taken the picture of her that John would later give to Kyle Reese which would give him the head start he needed in finding Sarah Connor before the T-101. Them sending back the next T-1000 caused the resistance to respond by sending back the T-800. In doing this caused Skynet to inadvertently give John Connor the means to break his mother out of the mental institution she was in and causing her to gain knowledge of who the man who was to create Skynet, Miles Dyson, which caused her to try and assassinate him. This caused him to join her in destroying the last parts of the original T-101 and getting himself killed prolonging Judgement Day from 1997 to 2004 giving John Connor ample time to learn advance computer programming and science skills which he later used to help write the virus used to crash Skynet’s defenses and give the Resistance the victory. Like the T-850 said Judgment Day was inevitable but so was Skynet’s down fall. It was destined to lose aka the purest form of PIS since it could have just re-nuked the planet because everything it needed was located underground. That is not the case here.
@tech
” It’d be one hive slowly starving to death”
Um what?
www.factpile.com/8019-xenomorphs-s-pandora/
Educate yourself.
“Also, as xenos couldn’t use zombies for breeding, and if they turn out to be toxic, can’t use them as food. It’d be one hive slowly starving to death. Terminators could wait them to death. No setting up more hives because there is nothing to make more xenos out of.”
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This is a man who speaks from his ass. Zombies cannot bite through a carapace durable enough to resist shotgun shells. As for toxicity the Xenomorphs due to their status as silicone based and their acid blood are immune to all toxins. And lastly Xenos don’t need to eat.
Well, since everyone is saying fuck it to waiting I guess I’ll jump in again.
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” It’d be one hive slowly starving to death.”
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You obviously know nothing about Xenos. They do not need to eat when fully grown.
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“Also, as xenos couldn’t use zombies for breeding, and if they turn out to be toxic”
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Again, you know nothing. Xenos are completely immune to any kind of toxin imaginable.
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” I think Terminators stomp both sides, especially if they have variety in units.”
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Same goes for the Xenos. Warriors, Drones, Queens, Kings, Empresses, Praetorians, Runners, Flying Queens, Ravagers, and more.
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” or if bites do anything”
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Yet a third example of ignorance. A bite will do nothing to the armor of even a Drone. It took a 12 gauge shotgun at point blank to do damage.
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@X
Can we PLEASE get you to specify the exact types of fighters we are using? Like now.
“They can’t even be used as hosts for xenos, which need living hosts for gestation.”
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Zombies are the living dead…
Well it depends on the type of Zombie but it is now officially too late for X to do anything more than say he intended a certain breed since no one wanted to stop the debate until he made specifications on what the various forces were which means we have untold variables to work with.
Well, it’s no longer able to be changed, so screw it.
Here’s more lists of robots:
terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Terminators
terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Non-Humanoid_Hunter_Killer
terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Non-Humanoid_Hunter_Killer
terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Humanoid_Hunter_Killer_Unit
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X can’t change it, but this isn’t a change, this is specifying something unclear. Is he still allowed to do that?
This had really good potential. But now there is too much uncertainty to properly debate.
@epicazeroth
that is what I’m unsure of, although what would be more important is how many of each type of terminator and each type of xeno there is and depending on what zombies what types there.
Epic has a point.
Suggested by X? I’d be surprised if he even had an account on here…
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Anyways, do the terminators have any way of increasing their numbers? Like, can 50,000 lone terminator units manufacture more terminators or set up factories that can…?
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Because, as others have mentioned, the Xenomorphs may be able to multiply depending on the exact type of zombies we’re using… I can see it working on the zombies that basically their nervous systems restarted and hijacked by some sort of chemical or virus… but the one’s that are nothing more than dead bodies held together by magic, I’m not too sure about…
Well there are a limited amount of certain types of Terminators. So it can’t be 49,999 T 1,000,000′s and one T Infinity.
@Everyone
We need specifics. Plain and simple. Otherwise, we could endlessly argue all the Terminator models, HK, and FK units that might be placed into battle, or might not. Also, the exact Xenomorphs we are using, and the version of Zombies being used. Otherwise, it’s a no-holds-barred everything that might be possible.
@EnigmaJ
“Suggested by X? I’d be surprised if he even had an account on here…”
My thoughts exactly, but Admin could possibly specify, if X doesn’t.
@Enigma
No. They cannot reproduce without some kind of factory to build. They have limited self repair options, but that’s it.
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Depending on the Zombie type, we would either have cannon fodder/ammo sponges for the Terminators, or 5 million possible Xeno reinforcements.
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Depending on the type of Terminators we have….well not really. Different Terminators mean different Xenos. Different Xenos mean yet another win for the Xenos. If it were 500,000 Drones, the Xenos could still take this.
@I-REAPER-I
“If it were 500,000 Drones, the Xenos could still take this.”
I highly doubt this, but, this is the exact reason there needs to be specifics. Then we would know what to properly debate. Otherwise, I have quite a large amount of Terminator models that I could bring up, HK’s, and FKs that would decimate the xenomorphs. If everything I posted was allowed, for that matter…
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Anyway, we need match specifics!
Can we summon admin or Mata to stipulate the forces?
“I highly doubt this, ”
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Well duh. You still don’t get how the Xenos fight. Masters of stealth and ambush and adaptability. The Predators have a dedicated vision mode to see the Xenos. Unless I’m wrong, Terminators don’t possess this mode. The smaller Term forces will go looking for the Xenos and get ambushed. The Xenos ripped through titanium like nothing, meaning they will be able to rip through stronger alloys, albeit with a bit more difficulty. But seeing how easily the titanium was shredded, not much difficulty.
I’ll give X more time to reply, otherwise I will add in the specifics.
“You still don’t get how the Xenos fight.”
I understand it. How it will work I don’t get.
The T-1000 models are completely polymimetic alloy. Objects can pass through them, but the metal won’t be damaged. Also, Temperatures in excess of 1535 degrees Celsius, such as those needed to smelt iron, could physically alter the bonding of the mimetic polyalloy. The molten iron (or any other element) could then mix with the elements of the alloy and physically alter its molecular structure, thus rendering it inoperative.
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Also, what was it I read on a certain little thread called Alien Queen Vs T-X?!
“Initial moneys going to the T-X.
“Xenomorphs, in all stages of their life cycles, have been said to have vulnerabilities to heat, although this was only shown in a deleted scene from the Alien Special Edition DVD, in which Ripley searches for her missing shipmates in the bowels of what appears to be the engine/boiler room of the Nostromo.[5]”
Anything weak to heat has nightmares about plasma.”
Terminators use plasma weapons. The T-1000s are known to use weapons other than their sharp knives they can form with their metal. The T-X has a plasma cannon, as well as:
“IAD ChemTech Flamethrower
.223 Automatic Stopper
.45 Cascader
M41 pulse rifle (Aliens reference)
783 CHAIN Repeater
ADMOR BioBlaster
BioRail 32SR-9 (modified)
CG45 Needler
CONSIGLIO EBlaster
Crescent Corridor Blaster
EMP Generator
Finite Rapid Cluster Gun
HDE Predator (333b)
HK-54334 (modified)
KLD-Magnum Repeater
Laser X-ray Burst Gun
Rumsfeld P31 Caustic
Subauro Neutralizer (.444)
Tracking EBlaster
TWIN Barrier Gun
XFLRG 44mm
M41A pulse rifle
Nano-Disrupter (.222)
P31 Caustic Shells x231″
Also, there is a T-1001 model. Better than the standard T-1000, the T-1001 could morph into a roughly slug/snake-like silver metallic form capable of moving at high speeds through air vents, performing high jumps, and propelling itself through water.”
@Primus
I asked. Let’s see how long it takes.
@Admin
Thank you.
I believe it was in Aliens 3. A Runner was completely submerged in molten metal and didn’t die. The heat thing is inconsistent.
@Admin
Appreciate it.
Also, the T-1001 was extremely adept at terminating multiple targets running from it with deadly efficiency. It chased down a dozen employees in a secret warehouse, extending blades to at least 10ft to impale the workers. The T-1001 can extend a blade and retract it again with amazing speed, suggesting a remarkable level of control over the structure of its design.
It was also able to make at least 1 spawn of itself from it’s own polymimetic alloy metal that could carry out the same actions as it.
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There is also a T-1002 model that can do pretty much the same as the previous models, and was able to make stabbing knives protrude from all over it’s body, showing it’s great control over it’s desing.
@Rorschach
I think your forgetting why Skynet stopped using and never mass produced the 1000 series they Skynet couldn’t put the obey the net chip in them because that stuff required a non liquid metal aspect that had nothing to plug into meaning the 1000 series had a penchent for developing it’s own ideas about what it wanted to do, in other words free will. Skynet couldn’t have that so they trashed the 1000 series liquid metals in favor of the T-X which allowed Skynet to retain control. An army of 1000 series terminators that suffers too many losses is likely to decide they want to live and give skynet the bird and leave.
@GuardianAngel1911
I never meant that an ARMY of T-1000s would be mass produced, I only stated their remarkable abilities. Skynet would strategically use them. That’s why they never made so much that they would all be wasted if they did just decide to leave.
true but that’s still potentially unreliable members of skynet’s forces or worse potential rogues that may say that the T-800 got between it and a Xeno when it went to attack. Not saying that would happen but considering the T-X’s are the only one’s capable of taking down the T-1000′s if they try something and that the T-1000′s will slowly be damaged and worn down by acid blood, sooner or later against large numbers it’ll be too much for the T-1000′s to handle.
How come we haven’t considered the types of Xeno’s? An army would include lots of types…
@GuardianAngel1911
If the Acid has temperatures ranging close to 1535 degrees Celsius, it has a chance of possibly damaging the pollymimetic alloy.
“sooner or later against large numbers it’ll be too much for the T-1000′s to handle.”
Sooner or later. For an effort this large, they most likely won’t be traveling alone. Along with the other Terminators.
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Except for possibly the T-XA models that are more advanced than the T-1000s. When infiltrating, it is able to split this mass into several units.
The T-XA is able to split itself and, unlike the previous models, function in many communicating parts. As such, it is able to impersonate human families and even dogs. To search large areas in urban environments, it split itself into a large number of cats. The first T-XA brought a large plasma-gun into the past, concealed within its body.
Though, fewer of these are made than the T-1000s, they are another model to consider.
“If the Acid has temperatures ranging close to 1535 degrees Celsius, it has a chance of possibly damaging the pollymimetic alloy.”
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Are you kidding me? Temperature is not what gives acid it’s deadliness. I don’t even know what to say.
@I-REAPER-I
I never stated temperature gave it it’s deadliness. I just made an assumption being that something would have to equal in that temperature in order to do the same damage.
@V
read Xenomorphs vs Pandora, we have discussed everything about Xenomorphs.
If we absolutely need specifics, we can all just vote on it together. In Admin’s original ruling, a scenario can be changed after the first 50 posts if all associated parties agree on it.
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In New York during the reign of Skynet, does anyone know how many organisms are available for egg-laying (aside from the zombies)?
@Aelfinn
is that still true with the new rule?
“is that still true with the new rule?”
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It was part of the new rule.
“If the Acid has temperatures ranging close to 1535 degrees Celsius, it has a chance of possibly damaging the pollymimetic alloy.”
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While I’m not sure but wouldn’t that be too hot for the Xeno’s insides/blood veins/flesh?
@Aelfinn
misunderstood what you said sorry.
“misunderstood what you said sorry.”
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Everything is like ice cream… cool.
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“I just made an assumption being that something would have to equal in that temperature in order to do the same damage.”
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The thing is, temperature and acidity are completely (well, maybe not completely, but their methods ARE separate) different. Heat/temperature adds energy to an object, causing the molecular bonds to break and/or form depending on the material. When something is acidic, the Hydrogen in the acid rapidly pulls electrons off of the “target” object in an attempt to fill its outermost electron shell. The missing electrons effectively disintegrates the object.
@Aelfinn: I don’t think that’s necessary. Citing post 63.
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@Enigma: That’s what Skynet’s for. Making more Terminators.
Yay! unspecified enemy’s! I think we should have three sub fights. battle # 1 most powerful incarnations of each second weakest forms and finally third most common forms.
@PrimusxPilus:
I didn’t see anything in there about the Xenos eating habits, which is part of the argument I’m making.
@ReDruM and IreaperI:
Look, no need for namecalling. I’ve seen all the movies and have read the novelizations of Alien and Aliens, and read some of the comics, so I know a thing or two about xenos.==================================
And also, I’ve never once suggested that zombies would bite Xenos, or have any direct threat to xenos. As for zombie flest being toxic, I said it might be. Not that it is, as an absolute, but as a outside possibility. It’s the living dead. Who knows what it’ll do when eaten. According to Zombie Survival guide, it’ll kill anything that eats it. But who knows, I said maybe, not an absolute like you people are assuming.=========================
Also, about xenos not needing to eat doesn’t match info given on Alien wiki, which states they eat with their tiny tounge mouth and not the larger one housing it, so they take in food. Also, IIRC, the novelization of the first movie had it eating out of the food storage “Nutritional requirements” and in the Aliens novelization. (Plus, the whole conservation mass-energy thing would be quite something to get around, even for aliens)=================================
Now, ignoring any need for sustanance for xenos, they still are only going to have 500k units for this, and will never recieve more because of the location. it’s a nuclear wasteland, populated with skulls, and now zombies (which cannot be used for reproduction)
Terminators can gather together, set up a command structure, and dig in. Trench warfare. Also, because this is Skynet-era New York, they could gain a few factories to build more terminators or other machines, such as perimeter sentries (Like the ones in the Aliens extended cut) and just make a few hundred of them. So, xenos are stuck at 500k and dwindling as they fight, where Terminators are able to create more terminators and other machines to kill the xenos. A hundred sentries alone could probably wipe out a good chunk of the xenos, Terminators can probably get better than a 10:1 ratio against Xenos, so I don’t think this is a big problem for Terminators. Plus, really stretching, but Time Travel to restart at the begining of the match if needed. Always that possiblilty. Terminators get mulligans.
I agree with Epic. If we put it to a vote the side with the most supporters will just vote for a ridiculous scenario, ensuring a win. Let’s just wait for admin or X.
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Epic, Skynet needs a facility to build more Terminators.
“If we put it to a vote the side with the most supporters will just vote for a ridiculous scenario, ensuring a win.”
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The vote needs to be unanimous.
@Aelfinn
“The thing is, temperature and acidity are completely (well, maybe not completely, but their methods ARE separate) different. Heat/temperature adds energy to an object, causing the molecular bonds to break and/or form depending on the material. When something is acidic, the Hydrogen in the acid rapidly pulls electrons off of the “target” object in an attempt to fill its outermost electron shell. The missing electrons effectively disintegrates the object.”
Thank you Aelfinn.
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I take back what I said about the acid having to be that hot for it to damage the mimetic pollyalloy, but I’m not taking back the durability of the metal itself.
@epicazeroth
“That’s what Skynet’s for. Making more Terminators.”
Exactly. Also, the T-X has nanotechnological transjectors that it can use to control other machines, if it wanted to.
What are the most powerful forms of each any way?
Are you seriously suggesting that they an time travel back? You must be new. The Terminators are not meant to just dig in and reproduce. This may come as a surprise to you, but their first priority is to TERMINATE. And FP rules state that each character has a basic knowledge of their opponent and is out to kill them. So the Terms will know that Zombies and Xenos are in New York and that they must terminate them.
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The Xenos on the other hand are meant to breed. They will be the ones to dig in and fortify. And since the Zombies won’t be hiding, they will get blasted by the Terms first. And they will not stop until every Zed is dead, baby. Until every Zed is dead. A Term will not stop until it kills it’s target.
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Will the Terms are killing 5,000,000 zeds, the Xenos will be fortifying their Hives. And seeing as how the zeds are so numerous, the Terms will be blasting for a while.
“Yay! unspecified enemy’s! I think we should have three sub fights. battle # 1 most powerful incarnations of each second weakest forms and finally third most common forms.”
I would rather settle on one scenario. What you described works too, I guess. But, it’d be a debate on what each is their most powerful, weakest, and most common forms of Terminators(This one’s kind of easy), Xenomorphs, and Zombies.
“The Xenos on the other hand are meant to breed. They will be the ones to dig in and fortify. And since the Zombies won’t be hiding, they will get blasted by the Terms first. And they will not stop until every Zed is dead, baby. Until every Zed is dead. A Term will not stop until it kills it’s target.”
ALL of the Terminators won’t be focused on killing the Zombies, as they would be given info on the Xenos, and would be working to find them, and terminate them, as well as the zombies. The Hunter Killer Tanks could easily roll over those. The Harvester could stomp on them. They don’t need to use bullets to kill something that’s living/dead if they can do it with brute force. Terminators are also skilled at close quarters combat, and could bash their heads open. A T-850 can rip of a human head in 1.8 seconds.
I agree with Rorschach. One scenario seems best.
Nope. If one of the Terms targets is right in front of them, and one is in hiding, they will deal with the first target as to optimize combat effectiveness. Once they are done, then they will deal with the Xenos.
“the Terms will be blasting for a while.”
If a Terminator could easily dispose of a threat that has no way of harming it, and would follow “combat effectiveness” then they would do so in a manner that would conserve ammo for the threat they know could potentially destroy them, in regards to combat effectiveness.
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Then to conserve ammo. The Terms will go for CQB. And since the sheer number of Zeds is so large, it will take days.
The Zombies wouldn’t even register as a threat to the Terminators. The worst they could do would be biting the artificial flesh. They have no way of harming either the Terminators, or the Xenos. I think they should be a non factor.
“And since the sheer number of Zeds is so large, it will take days.”
The T-X models could easily operate other machines that will aid in the conservation of ammo. The T-1000′s, while short in number, could take out many zombies at a time due to the length of which their blades can be extended.
@Rorschach
“The Zombies wouldn’t even register as a threat to the Terminators”
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left4dead.wikia.com/wiki/The_Tank
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^Depends on the zombies…..
Tech/mana is right. The terms are on their homeworld, they know the layout and tatics. They have potential to build reinforcements (slim however)
the terms have a home-ground advantage, with no other living creature to infect, the xenos would slowly get hunted to extinction.