Suggested by Aelfinn
Here we have two legends facing off against each other. First up is Dracula, one of the strongest Vampires to exist up against two-time Hall of Fame winner Link from the Legend of Zelda franchise.
Link is in his current incarnation. Dracula comes from Bram Stoker’s novel.
The fight takes place in an abandoned medieval city right after sundown.
The combatants start at opposite ends of the city.
Both combatants are well-fed and well-rested.
Who would win?
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Is Dracula faster then an arrow?
Well, I’m going to admit, I am rooting for Dracula. When I first saw this posted, I thought, “It’s not Dracula from Castlevania, is it? Dark Megiddo!” Haha! Is this Dracula’s first match on FP as far as Bram Stoker’s incarnation goes?
“Is this Dracula’s first match on FP as far as Bram Stoker’s incarnation goes?”
I think it actually is lol.
Don’t hold me to it though, I didn’t even search for any others.
Helsing specified that it was sacred objects that weakened Dracula. He didn’t specifically cite christian objects. He used his cross as an example of a sacred object, and he had a cross because he was Catholic, and in catholicism the cross is sacred. The point remains he didn’t limit it to a singular faith or mythology. They were in Europe and the primary faith was a sub-sect of Christianity, within which crucifixes and waffers are common place. They used what they had and what they had at hand. They wouldn’t use some islamic symbol because the christian one’s worked just as well and were readily advailable at hand.
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I find it important to take what is said inuniverse as fact rather than conjecture about some supposed hidden meaning.
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Somewhat related to that, the devil is a demon, and the Master Sword’s Evil’s Bane works spendildly against demons. … so much so that the japanese term for “evil’s bane” is simply “demon’s bane”.
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“in the New Testament there were demons who weren’t afraid of Jesus’ followers.”
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Said followers were, more often than not, thinking themselves protected by God while not respecting the power of the demons, or lacking in faith. It usually ended with the demons terrorizing the followers. The ones that did have great faith were a blight to the demons and they were feared as such.
@Messenger OriginalA
What was a sacred object to the Eastern Orthodox Churches in particular?
Meantime, Link will be fine if he can manage a hit on Drake here, correct?
Link plays the song of healing dracula dies.
Link plays the song of time and night changes to day.
But really Ganon is like a suped up Dracula.
@Laharl
Only if we’re talking ‘just’ Stoker’s original take on Dracula.
Castlevania’s version of Dracula might be the above on crack with an IV of Red Bull, and may actually be able to de-clip the One-Winged Angel Sephiroth in a fight eventually.
Stoker’s dracula isn’t really fitting for the match and castlevania’s dracula is put down by people not that unlike link constantly.
Well unless you just want to say it’s PIS.
“Link plays the song of healing dracula dies.
Link plays the song of time and night changes to day.”
Wrong Link.
Perhaps, but since Castlevania’s Dracula’s not the version of Drake in the match, moot point is moot?
So that said, what else does SS Link got?
“So that said, what else does SS Link got?”
Clawshots.
Lightning storm>>>>>Link
‘Nuff said.
@OriginalA
The Master Sword is not a Crucifix. The only way it can hurt the Count is if it makes contact. The reason vampires are hurt by them is because they are of Christian origin. Van Helsing said sacred objects, the only sacred objects that his world is referring to are Christian. They wouldn’t talk about anything else other than the religion most prominent in their region.
@Laharl
What are you talking about the Belmonts are stronger then Link. That and Castlevania Dracula is pretty strong maybe a little stronger then Ganondorf. I mean like Dracula:1.21, Ganondorf:1.20 so yeah.
I wonder, would it be possible for Link to dowse for Dracula
Maybe, but does Link need to know what a person or object looks like before dowsing? Think of it this way. Let’s say you have a search dog to track down someone. In order to track that person down, you first need to have the search dog sniff the target’s odor to recognize its target.
Yeah in order to dowse he needs a trail left from Dracula.
“Lightning storm>>>>>Link
‘Nuff said.”
You still haven’t provided evidence of Dracula using a storm for battle. Also, Link can hold the Master Sword to the sky to channel the lighting into the blade for electricity-infused Skyward Strikes. So a lightning storm would actually contribute to screwing Dracula over. ‘Nuff said.
@NZ: You’re right, I didn’t. Aelfinn did in post 13. Are you telling me Link can react to lightning strikes, or multiple ones in a row? There’s still hail.
“Are you telling me Link can react to lightning strikes, or multiple ones in a row?”
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I think he meant preemptively. While I’m not sure about multiple ones but the Master Sword acts as a conductor or something like lightning rods.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8XlIg–eFE&feature=player_detailpage#t=387s
“You’re right, I didn’t. Aelfinn did in post 13.”
That quote just briefly mentions “the storm” and “the fog” and “the meaner things”. Absolutely nothing about Dracula using weather in combat.
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“Are you telling me Link can react to lightning strikes, or multiple ones in a row?”
It’s not a matter of reacting to it, it’s just a matter of turning the Master Sword into a lighting rod. How fast can Dracula even summon a storm anyways?
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“There’s still hail.”
Guardian Potion takes care of that.
Here’s the quotes on the storms if anyone’s wondering:
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“One of the greatest and suddenest storms on record has just been experienced here with results both strange and unique. The weather had been somewhat sultry but not to any degree uncommon in the month of August.
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The coastguard on duty at once made report and one old fisherman who for more than half a century has kept watch on weather signs from the East Cliff foretold in an emphatic manner the coming of a sudden storm. The approach of sunset was so very beautiful so grand in its masses of splendidly-coloured clouds, that there was quite an assemblage on the walk along the cliff in the old churchyard to enjoy the beauty. Before the sun dipped below the black mass of Kettleness standing boldly athwart the western sky its downward way was marked by myriad clouds of every sunset-colour–flame purple pink green violet and all the tints of gold; with here and there masses not large but of seemingly absolute blackness in all sorts of shapes as well outlined as colossal silhouettes.
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The wind fell away entirely during the evening and at midnight there was a dead calm a sultry heat and that prevailing intensity which, on the approach of thunder, affects persons of a sensitive nature. There were but few lights in sight at sea for even the coasting steamers which usually “hug” the shore so closely kept well to seaward and but few fishing-boats were in sight. The only sail noticeable was a foreign schooner with all sails set, which was seemingly going westwards. The foolhardiness or ignorance of her officers was a prolific theme for comment whilst she remained in sight, and efforts were made to signal her to reduce sail in face of her danger. Before the nigh shut down she was seen with sails idly flapping as she gently rolled on the undulating swell of the sea ‘As idle as a painted ship upon a painted ocean.’
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Shortly before ten o’clock the stillness of the air grew quite oppressive and the silence was so marked that the bleating of a sheep inland or the barking of a dog in the town was distinctly heard, and the band on the pier, with its lively French air, was like a discord in the great harmony of nature’s silence. A little after midnight came a strange sound from over the sea and high overhead the air began to carry a strange faint, hollow booming.
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Then without warning the tempest broke. With a repidity which, at the time seemed incredible and even afterwards is impossible to realize the whole aspect of nature at once became convulsed. The waves rose in growing fury each overtopping its fellow till in a very few minutes the lately glassy sea was like a roaring and devouring monster. White-crested waves beat madly on the level sands and rushed up the shelving cliffs; others broke over the piers and with their spume swept the lanthorns of the lighthouses which rise from the end of either pier of Whitby Harbour. The wind roared like thunder, and blew with such force that it was with difficulty that even strong men kept their feet, or clung with grim clasp to the iron stanchions. It was found necessary to clear the entire piers from the mass of onlookers or else the fatalities of the night would have been increased manifold. To add to the difficulties and dangers of the time masses of sea-fog came drifting inland–white wet clouds which swept by in ghostly fashion, so dank and damp and cold that it needed but little effort of imagination to think that the spirits of those lost at sea were touching their living brethren with the clammy hands of death, and many a one shuddered as the wreaths of sea-mist swept by. At times the mist cleared and the sea for some distance could be seen in the glare of the lightning which now came thick and fast followed by such sudden peals of thunder that the whole sky overhead seemed trembling under the shock of the footsteps of the storm.
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Some of the scenes thus revealed were of immeasurable grandeur and of absorbing interest–the sea running mountains high, threw skywards with each wave mighty masses of white foam which the tempest seemed to snatch at and whirl away into space; here and there a fishing boat, with a rag of sail, running madly for shelter before the blast; now and again the white wings of a storm-tossed sea-bird.
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Then came another rush of sea-fog, greater than any hitherto–a mass of dank mist which seemed to close on all things like a grey pall, and left available to men only the organ of hearing, for the roar of the tempest, and the crash of the thunder, and the booming of the mighty billows came through the damp oblivion even louder than before.
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The wind suddenly shifted to the north-east, and the remnant of the sea-fog melted in the blast; and then, mirabile dictu, between the piers, leaping from wave to wave as it rushed at headlong speed, swept the strange schooner before the blast, with all sail set, and gained the safety of the harbour. The searchlight followed her and a shudder ran through all who saw her for lashed to the helm was a corpse, with drooping head, which swung horribly to and fro at each motion of the ship. No other form could be seen on deck at all. A great awe came on all as they realised that the ship as if by a miracle, had found the harbour, unsteered save by the hand of a dead man!
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There was of course a considerable concussion as the vessel drove up on the sand heap. Every spar rope and stay was strained, and some of the “top-hammer” came crashing down. but, strangest of all the very instant the shore was touched an immense dog sprang up on deck from below, as if shot up by the concussion and running forward, jumped from the bow on the sand.”
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Dracula pp. 65-68
@Observer
That’s really vague. It never really says how long Dracula took to summon it. It could have been hours or even a whole day.
@NZ
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I’m not actually participating in this debate. I just happened to have the novel with me and thought to post the quotes for what some of the people were saying.
“preemptively”
He’s going to predict lightning, then be able to sense the exact spot it will hit him.. I see… Anyway, wouldn’t Dracula still be able to just use multiple lightning strikes, or ball lightning?
“He’s going to predict lightning, then be able to sense the exact spot it will hit him..”
You don’t get it, do you? There’s no predicting at all. Link literally, and I do mean literally, just has to hold his sword into the air. Lighting goes into the Master Sword after that. Want me to dumb this down anymore?
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“Anyway, wouldn’t Dracula still be able to just use multiple lightning strikes, or ball lightning?”
No actually, because there’s no proof of Dacula using storms as a means of direct combat. Hell, even the time it takes for him to summon the storm is unkown.
@epicazeroth
Since you’re clearly illiterate.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r580S90NECo
3:25-5:00
Master Sword lightning rod.
Also, at the end of the video I posted, the Master Sword seals Demise into itself when he became a mist.
Demise is more powerful than Ganondorf and Demise has yet to get a match, him/itself, in fact.
“Demise is more powerful than Ganondorf”
Not sure about that. Ganondorf has had a lot more screen time to display his powers and whatnot.
I can see that Dracula is Winning this so far as I read this threat.
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Bit still Link have a good chance, if he figth smart and all out at the begining.
“Not sure about that. Ganondorf has had a lot more screen time to display his powers and whatnot.”
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If Ganondorf truly is merely the living incarnation of Demise’s wrath that he cursed upon Link and his people, wouldn’t that imply that Demise is more powerful overall?
“The Master Sword is not a Crucifix.”
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The Triforce symbol on its blade is a sacred symbol.
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“The only way it can hurt the Count is if it makes contact. The reason vampires are hurt by them is because they are of Christian origin.”
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Helsing said sacred symbols. He did not place a qualifier on them as Christian sacred symbols.
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“Van Helsing said sacred objects, the only sacred objects that his world is referring to are Christian. They wouldn’t talk about anything else other than the religion most prominent in their region.”
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In Europe, at that time, yes Christianity was the predominate religion and getting non-christian stuffs would be out of the way and unneeded. But to say that Christianing is the ONLY sacred objects in his WORLD is bullshit. In the CITY, yes. In the WORLD? That is a bigass and extrodinary claim.
@Messenger OriginalA
Did you note the question I asked on Eastern Orthodoxy’s Sacred Objects?
Would Chotkis qualify?
@Original
I didn’t say it was the only sacred object in the world. I said it was the only sacred object in his world. Cows are considered sacred in Hindu, does that mean Dracula is weak to cows? Hell even rats are sacred to some, and needlessness to say they don’t effect him. Vampires and Christianity go hand in hand, the Master Sword has no Christian origin, therefore it will not act as a crucifix. It will still hurt Drac due to the evil’s bane, but the mere sight of it will not do anything.
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Dracula is not weak to EVERY religions sacred object. He has only shown to be weak to Christian objects.
By “his world” I meant his immediate universe.
Yeah, I knew you ment his universe.
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Anyways, I see your point. Untill I come up with something more for this arguement I’ll concede the point.
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Although a thought does occure to me. The hylian religion in the Decline timeline is based on Christianity (so much so that it was supposed to be it in the first two games but got blocked by NA Nintendo censors), and the Three Goddesses are heavily inspired by the three aspects of God (Father/Son/Holy Ghost/Trinity). It isn’t far fetched to parallelize the Three Goddesses and their followers to God and Christians. … Pity SS Link only worships Hylia, even though he is decked out in gear that is from the Goddesses.
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Eh, make of that as you will.
@Messenger OriginalA
Where does Hylia stand in terms of tiers of power compared to the 3 Main Zelda Goddesses, to be sure?
I recalled something on how SS Zelda(the very 1st known Zelda ever) was meant to be an Avatar of Hylia, right?
@Negative Zero
“”“Link plays the song of healing dracula dies.
Link plays the song of time and night changes to day.”
Wrong Link.”"
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^Now THAT would be a stomp match XD
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@epicazeroth
So now cole mcgrath vs link’s out of my match ideas….
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@everyone else
Is the vamp still winning handily?
@Gendrons
Nope, its still a tough call between either side.
Although I can agree with Mad-Eye we’re talking the wrong Link in question, although SS Link might have ancestored N64!-Link.
“Is the vamp still winning handily?”
In what way is he winning handily? Link has a counter for every damn point brought up for Dracula.
In this medieval city is there a graveyard? Someone mentioned dracula has necromantic powers, meaning he can raise the dead.
Although it wont do much…will he be able to use necromancy?
Are there packs of wolves in the forest, too?
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@NZ: Not really. How does he counter being swarmed by animals, or Dracula’s sneak attack? Or lightning, if it so happens that Dracula can summon the storm quickly enough.
@Negative Zero
“In what way is he winning handily? Link has a counter for every damn point brought up for Dracula.”
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^Sneaking up on him disguised as mist while controlling the weather was denounced when?
““”“Link plays the song of healing dracula dies.
Link plays the song of time and night changes to day.”
Wrong Link.””
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^Now THAT would be a stomp match XD”
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Why would the song of healing kill Dracula? Because he’s Undead? That doesn’t make sense. Even if Link changes night to day, guess what? Dracula can survive sunlight, still has the strength of twenty men, and can control the weather. Only his shape-shifting, animal-control, and some of his more mystical abilities would be affected.
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“Anyways, I see your point. Untill I come up with something more for this arguement I’ll concede the point.”
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It isn’t just any old sacred thing, though, that has an effect. When Bram Stoker wrote the novel, he KNEW that Christianity was right. The Christian God was confirmed to him. In LoZ, we know that the Goddesses exist and have a presence. Just something to think about.
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” Hell, even the time it takes for him to summon the storm is unkown.”
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While summoning the storm may have taken quite a while (or no time at all, we don’t know), Dracula in other cases has been shown to rapidly summon fog/mist and strong winds. I’m not necessarily saying that a massive storm would come as quickly, but at the very least minor weather would come easily.
@Aelfinn
“Why would the song of healing kill Dracula? ”
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^cure his vampirism thus lossing all his powers…..
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Huh though most vampires were killed in sunlight.
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You think vampire cole mcgrath(festival of blood) vs dracula be a good fight?
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“^cure his vampirism thus lossing all his powers…”
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It isn’t really a disease. You have to die first to become a vampire (Dracula may have gotten it from Satan). The only way to save someone who will become a vampire is to kill the vampire who made them that way. However, once someone becomes a vampire, they can only be “cured” by being killed.
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“Huh though most vampires were killed in sunlight.”
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It’s what you see in most of pop culture, even though it isn’t in Dracula.
@gendrons
I’ve been wanting to see McGrath on this site for a while. Especially FoB McGrath. Infamous was easily one of my favorite series.
@REAPER
How long has it been since McGrath last had a match on the site?
“Not really. How does he counter being swarmed by animals, or Dracula’s sneak attack?”
Link tore through hundereds of monster very quickly. Hundereds of monsters>>>>>>>>>bitch ass rats that got scared off by a tiny dog.
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“Or lightning, if it so happens that Dracula can summon the storm quickly enough.”
You must also be blind as well as illiterate, otherwise you would have seen this video I posted.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r580S90NECo
3:25-5:00
I’ll post it some more, so you won’t miss it.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=r580S90NECo
3:25-5:00
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=r580S90NECo
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=r580S90NECo
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Master Sword lightning rod. Besides, Dracula can summon storms (with an quantifiable speed, no less) but that doesn’t mean he can control where the goddamn lightning strikes.
@Cross
Ummmm…I think his last match was against Alex Mercer if I recall correctly. Who, by the way, is also one of my favorites. Or maybe it was against MC, I’m not sure. Either way, any character who can control lightning AND ice AND be a vampire is an undisputed badass in my book.
@REAPER
I can agree that Cole McGrath is Badass, hands down no doubt.
I wonder, how to consider an Even Bigger Badass?
Should we be talking Scale-based or must we talk about Scope!-based?
Meantime last I checked, McGrath was fighting against Starkiller, since Starkiller has no known Ice Powers, not sure how well that’s going so far.
So back in matter at hand, does SS Link have bombs to use?
“So back in matter at hand, does SS Link have bombs to use?”
Yep.
@Officer N.Z
What types to begin with?
“What types to begin with?”
Just standard Bomb Flowers he has in a bomb bag.
@mrgendrons 2.0:
“Huh though most vampires were killed in sunlight.”
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This was actually popularized from the silent film Nosferatu. Originally, only the Chinese vampire could die from sunlight. Every other vampire wasn’t affected by sunlight.
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Besides that, a lot of people are familiar with vampires as shown by Hollywood. Not all vampires, for example, drink human blood. Incubi and succubi are vampires, and they feed on psychic energy.
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Lamia eat their prey, and there is a Brazilian type of vampire that drinks breast milk, rather than blood.
“and there is a Brazilian type of vampire that drinks breast milk, rather than blood.”
Lol.
@I-REAPER-I
Yeah coles my third fav videogame character . actually hes had a few matches and’s never lost a fight so far.
@Officer N.Z
Could have sworn he’d have more than just that, though. o.0′
@Gendrons
To be fair, he hasn’t outright beaten Starkiller yet, either.(Keyword is ‘Outright’, since neither have slain nor drove off or even subdued the other yet!)
So needless to say, anyone able to go head-to-head against Starkiller and not get insta-killed in the process is a Badass in their own right, right?
@Proto-Mind
“This was actually popularized from the silent film Nosferatu. Originally, only the Chinese vampire could die from sunlight. Every other vampire wasn’t affected by sunlight.”
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^Nice. Still European vampires still get killed by stakes right?
@Commander Cross
“To be fair, he hasn’t outright beaten Starkiller yet, either.(Keyword is ‘Outright’, since neither have slain nor drove off or even subdued the other yet!)
So needless to say, anyone able to go head-to-head against Starkiller and not get insta-killed in the process is a Badass in their own right, right?”
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^Damn straight. Actually I earlier was debating on that one seeing as cole fought the beast who controlled gravity(sort of like the force)
“@Officer N.Z
Could have sworn he’d have more than just that, though. o.0″
Te bombs themselves are still as powerful as ever though.
*the bombs
The Force is a tricky Supernatural power system to properly analyze, for no small amount of reasons, to be fair.
@Officer N.Z
At least there’s always that, though considering that Skyward Sword takes place in the technological lost ages of the LoZ universe, it begs the question on why they didn’t get more sophisticated designs for variations of bombs at the time, yet.
“At least there’s always that, though considering that Skyward Sword takes place in the technological lost ages of the LoZ universe, it begs the question on why they didn’t get more sophisticated designs for variations of bombs at the time, yet.”
I wouldn’t call it “technologically lost” at all. You should see some of the tech in the Lanayru Desert. Hell, it’s even hinted that they had the technology to make aircraft, as in planes and helicopters.
@mrgendrons 2.0:
“^Nice. Still European vampires still get killed by stakes right?”
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If I recall correctly, stakes were meant to keep the vampire in his coffin. I don’t think it actually killed the vampire. It also had to be a specific wood. Aside from driving a stake through the heart, one might also drive a stake through the mouth or stomach.
@Proto-Mind
“If I recall correctly, stakes were meant to keep the vampire in his coffin. I don’t think it actually killed the vampire. It also had to be a specific wood. Aside from driving a stake through the heart, one might also drive a stake through the mouth or stomach.”
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^they also put a brick int their mouths if the corpse was though to be a vamp.
“it begs the question on why they didn’t get more sophisticated designs for variations of bombs at the time, yet.”
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They do, actually.
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SS era bombs are just naturally occuring flowers that happen to explode, hence Bomb Flowers. By the time of Minish Cap (the next game in the timeline) bombs are now a manufacturable product as well as natural flowers. There are also remote detonated bombs at this point in time. FS happens and bombs are redone that mixes the normal timed blast and the remote bombs. In MC, it was either or, in FS it is a timed blast that you can set of prematurely by remote command. In OoT the Bombchus were introduced. Self propelled, ground based, seeking bombs; again these are manufactured. Normal bombs are reverted to the timed only type; the remote detonation technology is now lost.
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Timeline split:
Adult: Wind Waker: Tingle has an invisable bomb advailable that is more powerful than the normal bombs. Cannons are now used to shoot normal bombs as an artillery weapon.
PH: Bombchus now have a remote control setting allowing the user to directly control their route. This replaced the homing setting. Cannon bombs are refined a bit it seems.
ST: If not before hand (not sure since I haven’t played PH) cannon bombs are now pretty damn accurate. Much better than WW era cannons.
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Child: MM: magic masks are used to create explosive blasts on command. Powder Kegs are a scaled up bomb to absurd size.
TP: Normal bombs are now in a ceramic leaf layer. Perhaps for better grip. Water Bombs (water proof bombs that can detonate effectively while submerged underwater) are invented. Wild, naturally occuring, Bomblings are domesticated as a Bombchu analog (bombchus appear to be a lost tech in the Child timeline at this point). Also, Bomb Arrows.
FSA: Bomb lvl2s are now possible. Magically enhanced for a bigger boom. Big Bombs are now made too. Think about a 500 lbs bomb in a mideval setting. It instantly kills anything on the screen.
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Decline: LttP: The Super Bomb is invented. Bigger than normal bombs and significantly more powerful. Similiar to the Powder Keg of the Child Timeline, but lighter (implying a more efficient blast/weight ratio).
Oracles: Bombchus are rediscovered of the OoT variaty. Bomb Flowers seem to have evolved to be more explosive than ever.
LA: Bomb Arrows. Fuck Yeah!
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Bomb tech has improved, but it has varied from timeline to timeline and there are lost technologies concerning the bombs.
I actually agree with Zero. There is a difference between conjuring up a storm, and being able to direct lightning. Unless I missed a quote from the novel, I don’t think it’s fair to assume that Dracula has powers like Storm. To me it sounds like the storms are used to portray a menacing appearance.
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@theobserver
Can you provide a quote showing that the Count can direct lighting strikes, if there are any?
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So, where do we stand as far as tactics?
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Dracula- Can swarm Link with multiple animals (as long as they are present on the battlefield). Can use his mist form to land a killing sneak attack. Can cloud the battlefield with mist and storms to limit Link’s vision. Teleportation and agility allow him to avoid the Master Sword easily. Cunning intellect makes him a great battle strategist.
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Link= Has multiple weapons that can easily down the Count via Evil’s Bane. Has the advantage of ranged attacks, and if I’m not mistaken they also carry Evil’s Bane. Has explosives. Has 3-5 ton strength, which when combined with the Master Sword could probably take the Count down with one hit. I know I’m missing lot, feel free to add more.
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In my opinion, this match is far from over. Can someone please post some durability feats for Link? What can his body take? I was never a huge fan of the LoZ, apart from Wind Waker which was an absolute masterpiece in my opinion.
“Has the advantage of ranged attacks, and if I’m not mistaken they also carry Evil’s Bane.”
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Possibly mistaken. Depends on how exactly Dracula reacts when divine energies are attacking him. Link’s bow is explicately empowered by divine gods, but, due to linguistic acrobatics, Dracula may be only vulnerable to Chrisitan divinity.
“Can someone please post some durability feats for Link?”
Well, as I’ve said before, a Guardian Potion makes him invincible for 3 minutes.
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Also, he has the Fireshield Earring, which make him impervious to heat and fire.
Divine weapons are not the same as weapons with Evil’s Bane. If they are just divine, then they probably won’t hurt Dracula. But if they carry Evil’s Bane, then they will. Do any of Link’s weapons have Evil’s Bane other than the Master Sword?
@Zero
If he has invincibility then durability isn’t an issue now is it? I’m looking for what Link’s body can take on it’s own
“Do any of Link’s weapons have Evil’s Bane other than the Master Sword?”
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None from SS.
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And while divine weapons are not the same as evil’s bane, Dracula isn’t limited to merely evil’s bane. He has a much broader weakness; merely sacred.
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Coming to think of it, since it is essentially canon within the Dracula novel that God is there and objects that are sacred to faith in Him would mean that Dracula is weak to sacred objects that are related to actual existing deities. The Zelda goddesses are existing deities within their series, and they have created sacred objects to them.
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So, back to my arguement that Link’s Sacred Bow should do extra damage to Dracula because it is sacred:
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My original argument was Dracula was weak to any sacred object. This was shot down.
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My new arguement is that Dracula is weak to any sacred object of a non-fiction (within context) deity. Sacred objects of a false god[s] would and should not work, but a sacred object related to an actual, existing deity should be good.
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After all, a false god would not have any power due to it not actually existing. A real god would have the power to make an object holy and have power over others. The Bow has the sacred power of Hylia within it. Hylia is a very real goddess in the Zelda world; quite possibly second only to the Golden Goddess trio (whom are equal to God).
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Also, the description for the Sacred Bow says that it uses the “sacred power of the goddess to rain down a terrible force”. That “terrible force” intrigues me since it is powered by the divine. There is another object within the Zelda series that is similiar to this in description: Light Arrows. Although Light Arrows are explicately capable of Evil’s Bane (notably that is a seperate thing in Zeldaverse).
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Divine power, in and of itself, as sacred objects, is quite common within the Zeldaverse. If we are to assume that the crucifix has power because God is real within the context of Dracula, so must we also accept that sacred objects from the Zeldaverse must also have power because its gods are also real within the context of Zelda. That’s part of the Factpile rules of Elemantary compatability.
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So I ask you this:
What gives the crucifix power over Dracula? Is it because it is a mere sacred object? Or is it because that sacred object is getting a power boost because it is related to a real deity. In either case it would qualify the Sacred Bow as an extremely effective weapon against Dracula because it falls under both situations.
The Christian God gives a crucifix it’s power. You can’t just say that since Dracula is weak to objects blessed by Christian priests, or objects of Christian origin, that he is weak to any sacred object from any lore.
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The gods in Links world have no power of Dracula, a creature they have never seen or heard of. Unless you can prove that Dracula has shown a weakness to other sacred objects from other religions, your argument holds no water.
“You can’t just say that since Dracula is weak to objects blessed by Christian priests, or objects of Christian origin, that he is weak to any sacred object from any lore.”
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I’m not. I’m saying that he is weak to any sacred object that is empowered by a deity. … Like the cross as you pointed out.
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“The gods in Links world have no power of Dracula, a creature they have never seen or heard of.”
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Elemental Compatability:
Elements commonly associated with one franchise/universe will not be exclusive to that franchise/universe if they can be found in the opposition. For example, it is assumed that psychic powers displayed by characters hailing from Forgotten Realms can and would interact with psychic powers displayed by characters hailing from Starcraft as though they were the same.
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Although, similar arguments can be made for a great many number of elements (i.e. The Force, Chi, Magic, etc.), some of these may retain peculiar traits inherent to them that may help them retain a degree of exclusivity. All parties involved in the debate must present evidence against or in favor of this for the channels outlined in rule number “1″ to make an official determination.
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That first paragraph allows me to make the assumption that a sacred object empowered by a deity would in fact have an effect on Dracula., because Dracula is proven weak to sacred objects that are empowered by a deity.
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As far as paragraph two is concerned, there are no other gods in Dracula and non-Christian objects are never used against him; you are asking for negative proof. It doesn’t exist in the novel and so I cannot provide it. On the flip side I can provide you with evidence that sacred objects that a deity empowered sacred object does have power over Dracula.
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So we have a cause/effect problem. I’m saying that sacred objects have power over Dracula because A god has made them sacred. You’re saying that sacred objects have power over Dracula because the Christian God has made them sacred.
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So now I have to ask you for proof that other gods exist within Dracula and prove that they have no power over Dracula. Because if it MUST be CHRISTIAN in order to influence him and not simply because He is the ONLY God within the setting then you HAVE TO PROVE THAT.
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My arguement has Occam’s Razor’s favor. A sacred object empowered by any non-fiction deity has power over Dracula. Your’s is more specific: Only Chirstian sacred objects have power over Dracula.
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I’m caling bullshit.
I agree with REAPER. It makes no sense that if Dracula is weak to an item blessed by God does not mean that any item considered sacred to a religion not featuring the One God would effect him. That just a ridiculous assumption. For example I’m a Wiccan myself. In my faith the Pentagram and the Tree of Life are examples of sacred symbols in our faith. So if I pull out a Pentagram necklace or draw a Pentagram in a Weaving Circle it would effect Dracula despite the fact that in most monotheistic religions witchcraft is frowned upon and in some are to be executed? I doubt it. Monotheistic symbols such as the Crucifix, The Star of David, The Star and Crescent, should work on Dracula. But any symbol that is sacred to one random thing? Once again not likely.
That was my old arguement. That is not my current arguement.
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In order to prevent a religious debate, because I do want to avoid that, I want to put up a disclaimer here: I’m going to be talking about religion within the context of a work of fiction. The factual existance or legitimacy of real world religions and divinity is not going to be discussed.
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I’m walking on eggshells here because I feel like what I’m about to say could get people riled up in a “holier than thou” kind of way and I don’t want to provoke that responce.
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That said, within the context of Dracula, God exists. Also within the context of Dracula, the Wiccan beliefs are probably a “false religion”. Dracula is weak to objects sacred to the former but not the latter because of the factual existance of God as opposed to the divinity of the Wiccan belief. (I’m sorry. I’m not familiar enough with Wiccan to really put that down correctly, but you’re smart and I’m betting you know what I mean).
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Within the context of Zelda, the Goddesses (God’s counterpart in the Zeldaverse) exist. The Goddess, Hylia, also factually exists, and it is by her power that the Sacred Bow is empowered. The Christian God, does not exist.
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Dracula is left with an out of context situation. What ties him with Christianity? He does not explicately gain his powers from the Devil, so it isn’t that. He isn’t Christian, so it isn’t that. What makes him expliactely weak to God’s power if not for the fact of simply actually existing divinity?
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Now, I acknowledge the fact that Dracula was written as an analog for the Anti-Christ, but it is metaphorical. That isn’t within the canon. Similiarly the Three Goddesses are written as an analog of the Trinity, but that is merely metaphore and not canon. And if you insist on using these metaphores instead of the actual canon then I’m going to point out that A) The Master Sword has the symbol of the Triforce on it which is the Zeldaverse equavilant of the Crucifix and by Rule 9 should be allowed to weaken him, and B) Hylia is a Christ analog and by metaphore should be allowed to have power over Dracula by your own argument of using the metaphores instead of the canon.
“I’m looking for what Link’s body can take on it’s own”
I’ll see if I can recall some durability feats for SS Link.
@OriginalA
You are taking the idea of Elemental Compatibility way too far. EC is in place for things like Mana/Magicka/Magic, Light/Holy type attacks, and things like that. Example, Link’s light arrows would still be considered “Holy” type attacks in the FF universe. Even though they are not technically the same. Things that are sacred to Satanism should hurt Dracula by your logic. That is far from the case. Even then, the Master Sword isn’t even in the shape of a cross, nor does it have Jesus on it.
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I’m sorry to tell you this, but you are dead wrong.
WW/P.H Link is another candidate for Badass Incarnate on a Scope!-based basis, right there.
But he’s not the Link to be used in this match, so moot point is moot, much?
I got some things.
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When Link fought Molderach (a giant scorpion) in, it could grab Link in one of it’s claws and start squeezing him. Link can not only survive this, but he can also break free just by smashing his fists against the claws over and over. So it’s a durability/strength feat right there.
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Same instance for Tentalus (a giant squid-like monster) only instead of a claw it was a giant tentacle.
“Things that are sacred to Satanism should hurt Dracula by your logic. ”
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Nope. Cause, as explained, Christianity is Right in the Dracula novel. That means that the Devil is not a god merely a fallen angel. That would put Satanic objects well below the power of God. Additionally, you cannot claim that they are powerless against Dracula since it isn’t tested. I actually could make such a claim based on logical deduction instead of direct proof if and only the devil was a deity. He isn’t.
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“Even then, the Master Sword isn’t even in the shape of a cross, nor does it have Jesus on it.”
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Prove to me, right now, with direct quotation that it requires direct relationship with Jesus in order for objects to have power over him. Additionally I did not claim the Master Sword. I claimed the Triforce symbol on its blade, which is the Zeldaverse counterpart to the Crucifix. 2.bp.blogspot.com/-vhnTlLc6Eg4/TsUoKVrjy4I/AAAAAAAAAQY/rZJuSa1vmzI/s1600/MASTER+MASTER+MASTER+SWORD.png
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In case you missed it the Triforce symbol sits right above the ricasso.
You claimed that any object blessed by a diety would hurt him. Your whole argument is unbelievably forced. I really don’t know what else to say if you still think you are correct.
1) No, I didn’t. I said that it would have an effect on him. Not explicately hurt him. … Or if I did, I meant this.
2) You claimed that any object not blessed by God, no matter the context, would not have an effect on him. Your whole argument is unbelievably forced. I really don’t know what else to say if you still think you are correct.
How in the hell is my argument forced? The ONLY sacred objects shown to EVER hurt him were of Christian origin. He has NEVER shown weakness to anything else. And your whole argument is based of the fact that the novel didn’t say ‘Oh by the way, Dracula isn’t just weak to Christian objects.” EVERY vampire in popular culture has shown a weakness to Christian objects, at least those with said weakness.
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It’s not up to me to prove you wrong, unless you can show me that Dracula is weak to objects of other religions, you are wrong.
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I have to go get a fucking meningitis shot now. I’ll continue this later.
Oh, and unless you are trying to prove they would hurt him, what’s the use of arguing? What exactly does “affect him” mean?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijkXbAEVjyk
Here’s Link surviving the squeezing from Moldarach.
Who have the upper hand here?
Does link have any piercing durability feats?
“Does link have any piercing durability feats?”
To be fair, Moldarach has some jagged claws.
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Dose Drac have blades?
@Negative Zero
“Dose Drac have blades?”
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^IDK but hes got a nasty bite…
I think link wins it i mean he has the master sword wish destroys evil and dracula is pure evil so link ftw
I’m pretty sure he has nails that could do some damage.
Now all you need to do is show us how Link will do that.
@OriginalIA
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I’m nearly certain that your arguement is slippery slope. Slightly rephrased, it is “If Dracula is weak to objects blessed by a christian god, then he is weak to objects blessed by a god from the Zelda series”.
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Unless the site rules have changed, that’s not a valid arguement.
@V
I’m glad someone else sees this.
The master sword kills all things evil.. Dracula being evil will be hurt by the master sword. Why is this so hard to understand?
“He does not explicately gain his powers from the Devil, so it isn’t that.”
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He may actually have gotten it that way. I believe (I hope someone could check!) that he went to the Scholomance, which is a school where Satan teaches the Dark Arts to ten people and turns them into gingers.