Suggested by Chuck inglish
Here we have Hall of Fame winner Dante (Devil May Cry) going up against Umar (Marvel) making her debut on FactPile.
This is going to be one tough fight for Dante. I have never heard of Umar prior to this request, and after doing some research, she’s got some pretty hardcore powers to bring to the table.
Fight takes place on top of the world trade center.
Who wins?
First. Who’s Dante and who’s Umar?
My research tells me that Umar has interdimensional teleportation, size shifting, time travel, trasmutation, energy projection, creating energy based beings, illusions and telepathy
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Leaning toward her for now, then again I don’t know of her physical powers
Should be “Who’s Dante, and I know who Umar is, a bit.”
Sorry, I wrote that way too quickly. So, who’s Dante?
This is DMC 1 Dante
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Admin u really posted this? C’mon bro
Your post implies you did not want this posted. Why then would you suggest it? Also, it seems like this Umar chick has it in the bag just from her brief description. He levels of mind-fuckery just seem too high.
Well Dante should be able to speed blitz combine alas tots speed with QS and behead her
Ooh, I know her. She is Dormammu’s sister. She basically has most of his powers, so if you think that Dormammu can defeat Dante, she probably can too.
Oh, and she can also use forms of mind-control, BTW. She once used it on The Hulk (and it actually worked).
It doesn’t matter how fast you are if all you’re striking are illusions and you have no idea if what you’re seeing is real or anything else is actually really happening. In the end, it sounds like Umar will have run Dante through a thousand different scenarios, testing him with the use of her ability to make illusions, false beings of energy, ect, finding his combat patterns. The one time he slips up.. it’s over. She can use her time travel abilities to just set up his down fall and capitalize on that slip up. As long as she plays as little direct participation as possible the game is her’s to lose, more or less. Why would you even suggest a character who has all of these mind-based tricks against someone who doesn’t really have much in the way of defense against them? It’s as if you wanted Dante to fail miserably.
on top of the world trade center?
If my research is correct, Umar has the same set of powers as Dormammu which means immortal and indestructible along with interdimensional powers that close in on those of Dr. Strange.
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I’m thinking Dante won’t make it out of this one as anything more than a spec of dust.
Yup. None of Dante’s tricks will work in Umar.
Stomp match is stomp
” If my research is correct, Umar has the same set of powers as Dormammu which means immortal and indestructible along with interdimensional powers that close in on those of Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange.”
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Fixed for clarity of time line
How the f*ck did this match happen? Dante won’t last half a second against Umar! She bats around Doctor Strange all the time, and lemme tell you, Strange could vaporize Dante.
I’m pretty sure he loses, but who’s Dante? Seriously.
@Epicazeroth
As you’re posting here, I can safely assume you have access to the internet. Well on this magical thing is something called Google. I’m sure you can figure out the directions from here. For added help try searching for Devil May Cry too.
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Unless you’re doing it for comic effect, in which case, you failed.
@epicazeroth:
“I’m pretty sure he loses, but who’s Dante? Seriously.”
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LOL
@Ruliya: Well, I know who he is now, and I’m pretty sure he loses.
I find it rather funny that Chuck, Dante’s biggest fan would suggest a total stomp against him.
Okay now let’s see
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“It doesn’t matter how fast you are if all you’re striking are illusions and you have no idea if what you’re seeing is real or anything else is actually really happening. In the end, it sounds like Umar will have run Dante through a thousand different scenarios, testing him with the use of her ability to make illusions, false beings of energy, ect, finding his combat patterns.”
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Any scans that show she’s capable of illusions at that kind of level?
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“If my research is correct, Umar has the same set of powers as Dormammu which means immortal and indestructible along with interdimensional powers that close in on those of Dr. Strange.”
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There’s a fallacy against that, it’s called association fallacy.. Yes we know she’s immortal but I highly doubt she’s indestructible
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“one of Dante’s tricks will work in Umar.
Stomp match is stomp”
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Any proof that a decapitation won’t work? Yes Dante has killed of demons who are made up of nothing but energy
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Dante with Alastor and QS could take everything that she throws his way.. Dante is massively hypersonic with Alastor and quicksilver just boosts that speed 1000 fold
“with interdimensional powers that close in on those of Dr. Strange.”
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No, she was only able to go toe to toe with him because they fought in the dark dimension which boosts her powers. Kinda like how mephisto is at his most strongest when he’s in hell
“Ooh, I know her. She is Dormammu’s sister. ”
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OH SH-
@ chuck inglish
Regardless, Dormammu and his sister Umar are both FTL and immune to Chronomanipulation, two of Dante’s greatest abilities. I could even argue that Umar is the stronger for STRIPPING Dormammu’s powers from him. Hey if you can prove that Dante wins then you may convert me I like both characters, but as of what I know right now, I say it’s a pretty one sided contest. Please educate me in something that you haven’t posted before. (No previously debunked arguments
please)
@ Woot
[“Ooh, I know her. She is Dormammu’s sister. ”
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OH SH-]
LMFAO
“Regardless, Dormammu and his sister Umar are both FTL and immune to Chronomanipulation”
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Scans please
This is why I hate debating marvel characters.. They get thrown into categories( like being FTL) and aren’t proven to be such..
“No previously debunked arguments”
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The only argument debunked was that rain feat. (thanks to OA)
Seduction:Had been able to seduce the Hulk at least twice-
if she seduced the hulk she seduces dante and kills him.
www.comics.org/issue/872287/cover/4/
i kno its just a cover cant find scans.
Ooh, I know her. She is Dormammu’s sister. ”
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OH SH-
best post ever
they has make loves
and cumming up is out of dates
“they has make loves
and cumming up is out of dates”
Daf–?
Why was this posted?
@epic
he’s already said some weird shit on the lincoln vs edward thread. Ignore him
i said coming up is out of date,last post for it is from 2011
and they would have sex. and each pays he other 5$ so they dont actually lose mony but its like prosphetics
<_< I can already tell this is going to be pointless.
i agree z.i agree.
Umar’s Dormammu’s sister! If she is as powerful as him she stomps.
@the pro.
She’s also beaten him a few times, one time leaving him as a cripple
@PrimusxPilus
She wins this.
“Umar’s Dormammu’s sister! If she is as powerful as him she stomps.”
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She has beaten she got strange to beat him than she stole his powers while he was weakened from battle
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“She wins this.”
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No she doesn’t
@Chuck inglish
Do you know how powerful Classic Doctor Strange is?
“@Chuck inglish
Do you know how powerful Classic Doctor Strange is?”
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Yes but to bad he’s not in this match
Oh and to add the only reason she could beat strange was because she baited him to the dark dimension where she’s at her strongest
Did you get that from the wiki?
“Did you get that from the wiki?”
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The official marvel page
You really shouldn’t use that,they only update movies.
“You really shouldn’t use that,they only update movies.”
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It’s official though
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Anyway Dante has the bangle of time quick silver and Alastor.. Alastor puts him at mach 420 and quicksilver increases that 1000 fold and the bangle stops time completely.. So I see Dante speed Blitzing her
This could be useful for Umar.
images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110206163757/marveldatabase/images/7/72/Flames_of_Faltine_from_Thor_Annual_9.jpg
Dormammu=Umar, also whats stopping her from stopping time not slowing it.
“Dormammu=Umar, also whats stopping her from stopping time not slowing it.”
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No that’s assosiation fallacy you can’t do that.. She has to have her own feats.. And as for her so called time powers do you have any scans of her showcasing them?
Umar has a gifted intellect, and vast knowledge of magical lore. She has tremendous ability to manipulate the forces of magic for a variety of effects, including inter-dimensional teleportation, size transformations, time travel, transmutations, energy manifestations such as powerful concussive blasts, magically constructed animate beings, telepathy, illusion-casting, limited mind-control, etc.
okaaay
What can Dante do to hurt Umar
Problem with this match is Umar isn’t a super well known characters so getting scans of her feats is going to be hard. Also the official Marvel site is also just a wiki which kind of kills it’s credibility more so when they never update it.
@TopaztheSpaz
True
“What can Dante do to hurt Umar”
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Physical attacks than a nice jackpot sealing her in hell..
seriously if we go by the stats posted in the official Marvel site they are only the fan voted ones.
I hate the new Dante
and alright Chuck Umar is perhaps just under Dormmammu, they are on virtually the same level so much so that she has been able to hold her own against her elder. That still puts her above anything Dante has ever done, also grabbing the actual official guide to Marvel. Will post quotes if she is actually in the book.
How about Dante gets turn into a bug,transmutation
i dont see how hysical attacks will hurt someone like her. she fought doctor strange and dormammu beings far superior to anything in DMC.
plus i think she seduces him and before he knows it, he’ll be dead.
@Chuck
Didn’t you say this is DMC1 dante?
“How about Dante gets turn into a bug,transmutation”
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Is that before or after Dante’s fucks her up with time fuckery and 1000+ton force blows
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“don’t see how hysical attacks will hurt someone like her. she fought doctor strange and Dommaru
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She only stood a chance with strange when she lead him to the dark dimension where she got a powerful boost in power and she’s never fought dommarmu she got strange to fight him for her
It is obvious that Umar defeats Dante. Yet, Chuck inglish is correct; we need proof of her abilities in order to secure her the win.
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But I say that’s a waste of time for such a stomp match.
Nevermind the latest one is 30 bucks and I honestly don’t want to waste that much money on this fight.
It’s pretty hard to find a comic with her in it but i’ll try.
I am interested in how Dante will seal a character with inter-dimensional teleportation in Hell though since she could just pop back.
“I am interested in how Dante will seal a character with inter-dimensional teleportation in Hell though since she could just pop back.”
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Dante’s seal takes away the powers of the opponent it’s used on and banishes them to the underworld for 2000 years
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“But I say that’s a waste of time for such a stomp match.”
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I like rooting for the under dog
@Topaz
True or false?
Dante’s better off duking it out with Eragon of Alagaesia?
I can’t find that much comics but she did take on Thor and sif,defeat and imprisoned The Hulk, Drain Dormammu powers etc
@ Cross dunno who either of those are so sure.
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again I would say power wise she is maybe just under Dormammu. Like so close that it wouldn’t really matter.
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Think Power-Girl compared to Superman. Yeah she’s weaker than he is but the difference is damn near negligible.
Getting bored with this…
i suggested this last wensday lol I didn’t think admin would actually post it though
How about she seduces him?
“How about she seduces him?”
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Not likely. If Dante’s gonna kill you he’s gonna kill you
Mind control?
“Mind control?”
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Yeah that should work only if she can get a lock on him though
She doesn’t seem to have alot telepathy feats
Wait she mindraped the hulk
Can we let this die?
“Can we let this die?”
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Meh, might as well
“Can we let this die?”
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You’re new to Factpile, aren’t you? This fight was posted today. It is standard procedure to give a fight something like a week in order to determine its death-worthiness. If the same arguments are being stated over and over again (usually by one die-hard fan of the series) then we normally let a fight go. But 76 comments on the first day? Weak-sauce.
But if you mean to just ignore it…. fine.
“. But 76 comments on the first day? Weak-sauce.”
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Weaksause only because umar has no feats
Still destoys dante.
Curse of using obscure characters.
“Still destoys dante.”
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Nada
MIND CONTROL
“MIND CONTROL”
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She’d have to get a lock on Dante to do that. Which she most likely won’t since Dante will be speed blitzing and spamming his chrono manipulation powers
So Umar is speed-blitzing, right?
What she’ll mindrape him with ease,the hulk has multiple minds in the end it didn’t save him.I don’t know where your getting this lock on thing from.
“What she’ll mindrape him with ease,the hulk has multiple minds in the end it didn’t save him.I don’t know where your getting this lock on thing from.”
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No she only mindraped the child hulk.. That’s not a feat when hulk’s mind is only based on one thing.. Nd I don’t even recall her mindraping the hulk only seducing him and taking him back to her lair and having sex with him.. And what I meant by lock on is umar not being able to keep up with and react to Dante cause ya know you cant concentrate on something you cant keep track of and when QS comes into play her perspection and movement will be slowed greatly and I haven’t even stated on the bangle of time yet
What? Child hulk? In their fight in Defenders she mindraped him,and for the last time Dormammu=Umar both gave Classic Strange trouble Dante can’t win this
” In their fight in Defenders she mindraped him,”
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My mistake I was referring to another issue.. Stop comparing the Hulk to Dante.. Hulk is vastly slower than Dante
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“for the last time Dormammu=Umar both gave Classic Strange trouble Dante can’t win this”
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Assosiation fallacy dormammu feats doesn’t equal umar feats and last I checked she only gave strange trouble on her home turf which is where she’s at her strongest
Isn’t Dante’s weapons magical? He’s screwed
“Isn’t Dante’s weapons magical? He’s screwed”
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Actually Dante’s weapons are devil arms whom was once demons loss to Dante in battle so they felt he was worthy and gave thier soul to him.
The fought many times don’t know, First time she killed some guy named Kaluu
Hulk is not nearly as slow people make him out to be,catching a tank shell,overtaking jets at their top speed,cacthing spiderman
Just found that fight Strange had to release Zom,she also fought the ancient one,She also went to destroy a past village so they were not in the dark dimension anymore.
Going to sleep we can do this tomorrow
“,she also fought the ancient one,”
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She never fought the ancien one she actually retreated
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“Hulk is not nearly as slow people make him out to be,catching a tank shell,overtaking jets at their top speed,cacthing spiderman”
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Not as fast as Dante though
“They get thrown into categories( like being FTL) and aren’t proven to be such..”
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Marvel sucks Most overpowered piece of crap. It’s funny ppl yell characters like Kratos , Dante etc.. By the fact they are way more underrated and not ridiculously overpowered .
Not sure if this counts as a stamina feat or not, but apparently Umar (in terms of sex, anyway) has more stamina than even the Hulk:
media.photobucket.com/image/umar%20marvel%20comics/kjs1982/Umar/UmarDurability.jpg
Oh, and here she is talking smack to Dormammu, which must take some bravery:
images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110524030952/marveldatabase/images/3/3d/Umar_(Earth-616)_from_Defenders_Vol_3_2.jpg
Here she is beating Red She-Hulk:
leagueofcomicgeeks.com/media/comics/previews/7083039-7305.jpg
Here she is throwing Thor into some kind of flaming pit:
images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110206163757/marveldatabase/images/7/72/Flames_of_Faltine_from_Thor_Annual_9.jpg
In this page, she mentions how she can dissolve people into atoms:
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Seriously, it was hard finding those.
Oh Hellboy, I think you don’t grasp the point of Superhero Comics. People don’t WANT realistic sometimes, and turn to the Fantastic to escape every once in a while. If Marvel Characters are OP and “Unrealistic” its because they were meant to be that way, so that they would sell comics to the people who like seeing the beyond standard. I sure as hell like seeing beyond the standard, most people do.
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Instead, I think you are just Anally-Retentive about the fact that Kratos is annihilated in many of his matches. How is Kratos Underrated again? If I’m not mistaken he recieves quite a large amount of Fan Attention, and his home franchise has sold very well.
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Nobody likes Fanboys Son; especially whiny ones.
Is there a lot of wall-bang fuel someone is feeling consumed by?
We have Tylenol if it helps, and in the event it doesn’t, you could always grab the Bleeprin.