Suggested by Epicazeroth
Tulkas is a Vala, and is the physically strongest being in Tolkien’s universe (Lord of the Rings). You all know who Kratos is (God of War, Hall of Fame winner).
First, who would win in a wrestling match (no weapons or powerups or anything).
Second, who would win with all their weapons (unfortunately, Tulkas only has an “iron” boxing glove, so if Kratos stomps here, consider Tulkas’ sorta-canon son.)
Obviously, use only the GoW games for Kratos, but any PUBLISHED material may be used for Tulkas (as long as a Tolkien published it, it can be used), so as to give Tulkas more solid feats.
Who takes the victory?
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Oh look, its another one of those matches that there can be no winner due to unquantifiability and thats going to get the attention of the Kratards
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Sad thing some people don’t read the FP suggesting guidelines
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Oh well
Aren’t Vala literlay unkillable by anyone other than Eru?
And WTF is it with the forums? I registerd, activated my account, posted…and now it claims that I don’t exist as a user?????
You have to create an intro thread on there or something. The mods there constantly delete accounts as alot of people who sign up are spambots
Hmm I don’t know about Tulkas But I have a feeling that Kratos will obliterate him in a wrestling match .
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In a Second match It still looks like a stomp considering ALL of Kratos magic and blade of Olympus .
Does anyone willing to put some stuff about Tulkas ?
“and thats going to get the attention of the Kratards”
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Look who’s leaving the first comment in Kratos match lol
How hte hell am I suppsoed to create a intro thread (and where does it say I must do it) if my account gets deleted a minute after I make it.
And it has a capthca at login…not exacly something a spambot cna go trough.
“hey i don´t know anything about that charakter but he get stomped by the other”
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god how i love those comments in the beginning of a match..
If Tulkas is the physically strongest Valar, while I may not know exactly how strong, should probably put him into the very-1337 category.
feats for tulkas? those who dont know lord of the rings need a little more than “he is the strongest”
“he rides no steed, for he can outrun all things that go on feet, and he is tireless.” His wife is described as swift as an arrow, but I’m not sure who is faster, but I would guess Tulkas is, though I can easily be shown incorrect.
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It also says he delights in wrestling and contests of strength, but that means really nothing here. I can’t think of anyhting more specific. I’m pretty certain that he doesn’t use weapons at all, since he enjoys brawling more than anything.
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Using Valar in matchups is a bad idea. some of the Maia have more definite feats attached to them, and though the valar are greater, that doesn’t mean they can match every feat of the maia. Pulling for Tulkas, but I doubt this will go anywhere.
I’ll put a durability feat, and a strength feat for now. I don’t know anything about Kratos, so I can’t say who wins (why would I suggest this if I knew?), but I can give facts about Tulkas.
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Durability/Endurance: Covered every bit of a continent seven times, and all of mountain range thrice.
When angered: He leapt across a throne room (probably huge) while carrying a chain that he previosuly could barely walk with.
Strength: Ripped a landmass in half.
If Tulkas is out of Kratos’ league, I’ll make him the Silmarillion version. The HoME one is at least continent level, in the Sil he’s probably mountain.
@Epic
You still gathering up Tulkas’ fighting capabilities?
Unless I mistook him for Turin, he’s one of the guys who solo’d Sauron when Pyramid Head could only deadlock the guy, right?
“You still gathering up Tulkas’ fighting capabilities?”
No, I know them, I’m waiting to know who Kratos is.
“Unless I mistook him for Turin,”
How?
“he’s one of the guys who solo’d Sauron”
No. Neither did Turin.
“when Pyramid Head could only deadlock the guy, right?”
No comment.
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Also, I think I’ll make this Sil version of Tulkas (and get rid of Telimektar, he has absolutely no feats aside from climbing a pine to the stars and being Orion.) HoME Tulkas is insane, he was almost able to carry the Sun.
Kratos :Endurance:ran from Attica to marathon without tire(even with a magical fog that put the world to sleep),climbed a mountain for 3 days without food or water. Strength:broke atlas chain’s, overpowered the leviathan(who was throwing titans),overpowered Cronus thunder clap,threw the colossus of rhodes and continually overpowers beings hundreds of times his size.
Durrability:took deimos (whos on par with him in strength) punching him in the face using a gauntlet that resembles the gauntlet of zeus,got blasted out a valcano without injury,had a guy 1000x his size slam him around the arena without injury(thanatos) and took zeus punch to the face. Regeneration:after deimos fight heals broken face,ribs,several brusis ,cuts and internal bleeding in less than a minute and is back at his peak. Reactions:reacted to an arrow one inch away from his face, reacted to zeus lightning in gow 2(in novel stated to be mach 400+ but i digress due to the scenario),took a leviathan strike who went up mount olympus in seconds ect. That said kratos outside of the novel and comics has no real “skill feats” but should easily stomp both scenarios.
kratos wins this, but just barely
Another durrability i forgot:tanked green fire which only knocked him unconsious.(in the gow comics they did this: www.google.ca/imgres?q=kratos+gyges&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=QQs&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=826&tbm=isch&tbnid=SVFplkGpl7z30M:&imgrefurl=http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-forum/zeus-vs-pre-ts-luffy-144193/3&docid=MfwdGVidahIfaM&imgurl=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110316023833/godofwar/images/thumb/5/56/Apollo%2527s_flames.jpg/396px-Apollo%2527s_flames.jpg&w=396&h=278&ei=vVcPUO7YBsWUjAK7zoAo&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=321&vpy=327&dur=177&hovh=188&hovw=268&tx=127&ty=133&sig=100210300878503605401&page=1&tbnh=139&tbnw=177&start=0&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:0,i:95 but sadly were not considering the cannon comics. why only the games though? Would that make it a stomp?
Only the games because I didn’t know there were books or comics.
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Ok, someone who knows the Tolkien Legendarium well, what is more fair? Sil Tulkas or HoME Tulkas?
Strength feat from HoME: He and another Valar carried the Sunfruit. Granted, that was very different from in the Sil, where the fruit actually is the Sun, but still…
@epicazeroth
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_War_%28comics%29
godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/God_of_War_%28Novel%29
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ah i though it was cause of kratos doing this: www.google.ca/imgres?q=gyges+kratos&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=826&tbm=isch&tbnid=Rd1UQdvmKerikM:&imgrefurl=http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Gyges&docid=kEwelb5FXGxt8M&imgurl=http://images.wikia.com/villains/images/8/87/Kratos_attacks_Gyges.jpg&w=992&h=653&ei=3lsQULnIHc_SigKS0IDQBQ&zoom=1 too this: www.google.ca/imgres?q=gyges+kratos&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=826&tbm=isch&tbnid=Dc0UYfADb7aHGM:&imgrefurl=http://sorrentinodarkart.blogspot.com/2010_11_01_archive.html&docid=C_aNwlYwz6QeoM&imgurl=http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eQBUPnbqfrk/TO1N_dVcF3I/AAAAAAAAAVk/ZxeKQTy0w4Q/s1600/GoW%252525235pag22LowRes.jpg&w=472&h=726&ei=8lsQUPe1CsPuiQKe24GoCA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=880&vpy=434&dur=2065&hovh=279&hovw=181&tx=76&ty=189&sig=117841704035304205215&page=1&tbnh=150&tbnw=104&start=0&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:16,s:0,i:123
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Is it okay to use feats from the comics and just not the weapons/items?(were only at 19 posts you can change the match however you like till 50)
Sure, then Tulkas gets the HoME feats. Tough I’m the only one here on this side, so…
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Also, I believe it, but can I get the link to admin’s post on the 50th post rule? Just to sate my curiosity.
@epicazeroth
I heard it on harry vs kratos
it turns out youi were originally able to change match style for the scenario anytime you wanted but then i heard inglish kept trying to change a match so Dante could win a match. thus the 50 post rule i hear was enabled.
sorrentinodarkart.blogspot.ca/search/label/God%20of%20War
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^their are some comic scans.
I see oversized mouths and overly dramatic backgrounds. I meant where admin originally said it.
@epicazeroth
I’m not quite sure i just heard it over in harry vs kratos. gaurdian told me.
Daken vs Solid Snake is where the rule was created.
Don’t believe me at 1st?
Check the match otherwise, the Inglisman screwed us over in there, I knew a rule like that was long-coming, never thought he’d be the one to invoke this!
@epicazeroth
“I see oversized mouths and overly dramatic backgrounds”
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^Yeah kratos was punching a living island with a hundred arms in the face.
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Heres debating rules about scenarios: “Battle Scenarios that are not clear, or have obviated crucial elements, must be brought to the attention of; A) Admin; B) the battle’s poster; C) the battle’s creator. Any scenario to be altered must be approved by Admin, or any party appointed by him, to be made official. That said, debates may continue without an official determination made if all sides agree upon the disputed terms, but any outcome from these may be rendered null by an official ruling at a later time.”
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^Their you go but i hear after 50 posts you cant change a match.
@Commander Cross
Sorry commander. So how many of you guys are their(you know the ones you added military titles to)?
how big of a landmass did he rip in half?
A land bridge between Valinor and ME. It wasnt like he ripped a continent in half, or anything. The Helcaraxe, ever heard of it? This was after he helped block every other route to Valinor. The Helcaraxe is basically the Bering Landbridge, in that it’s at the top of an ocean, except this ocean spans like a third of the world. It’s said to be significantly smaller there, but still. Aside from that, he’s also said to be much stronger than Ulmo, who pulled a Great Britain sized or larger island across said ocean (at the Middle, where it’s basically it’s widest) 5-6 times.
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OK, what’s fairer, all material for both, or just the games and Sil? For now it seems like all versions of both is better, but I need someone else who knows Tolkien to help me. It’s kinda annoying to debatevmy own match, it seems like I wanted Tulkas to win (well, I do, but I didn’t set it up so he would, I tried to make it fair.)
www.google.ca/imgres?q=kratos+sea+snake&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=826&tbm=isch&tbnid=3-uUmPO2nUYkgM:&imgrefurl=http://godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Sea_Snake&docid=I7xSjPmJv-k2UM&imgurl=http://images.wikia.com/godofwar/images/2/22/GoW-3_Snake.jpg&w=669&h=1028&ei=HIwRUL-xH-qKiAKOuIGgCw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=406&vpy=113&dur=415&hovh=278&hovw=181&tx=99&ty=144&sig=100053505891305749997&page=1&tbnh=145&tbnw=94&start=0&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:73
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^Never piss off the god of the sea’s…..
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Well the comic and novel would give kratos island busting capabilities,actual skill feats. Do you mean just weapons or magic’s and item’s as well? even so the gauntlet of zeus helped kratos easily over power atlas: www.google.ca/imgres?q=god+of+war+atlas&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=826&tbm=isch&tbnid=iuHQsq9MTMq41M:&imgrefurl=http://fanon.wikia.com/wiki/File:Atlas_God_of_War.jpg&docid=gBbtNzJw1z2JbM&imgurl=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100418000534/fanon/images/b/b0/Atlas_God_of_War.jpg&w=528&h=675&ei=io0RUPXHBIrsiQLe_IC4AQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=185&vpy=193&dur=264&hovh=143&hovw=112&tx=123&ty=128&sig=100053505891305749997&page=1&tbnh=143&tbnw=112&start=0&ndsp=23&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:73
www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-557154-kratos-vs-dante-best-2-3.html
. Guess the wrestling match just might be VERY interesting.
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^The calcs are about number twelve from the bottom. They put Kratos at about 4.58 billion tons of lifting strength.
forums.theonering.com/viewtopic.php?p=3495296
Second post. Tulkas ripped it in half:
“and Aulë with the mighty hammer of his forge smote that wall of jagged ice, and when it was cloven asunder even to the chill waters* Tulkas rent it asunder with his great hands and the seas roared in between, and the land of the Gods was sundered utterly from the lands of the Earth.”
*so he can fit his hands in
I think Tulkas doesn’t really have a chance in the second round. What about the 1st?
The Valar are a lot closer to Abrahamic god/angel concept than the greek god concpet.
I just don’t see Kratos winning this.
He probably wins the second round. Telemektar doesn’t matter, he has no feats.
Kratos will win 2nd round easily blade of Olympus there are so many ways he can .
But what about first round ?
Because his strength can overpower Hercules in God of War games.
There are so many other feat like stopping Cronos thunder clap and throwing colossus of Rhodes .
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So Kratos for FPA ?
Did you read post 34?
Some strength feats of Kratos that will help him to win wrestling match.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxHk3esxis8 at 0:20 and 6:55
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu5tFtAYMAA&feature=fvwrel 1:05
…That beats tearing a 100′s, maybe 1,000′s, miles long landmass how?
Based on the landmass ripping, that Tulkas guy wins round one easily.
I wouldn’t say it’s that easy for him, but I’m pretty sure he does win that round pretty handily. …I fail at match suggesting.
*At least, the ones that get posted are fails.
@epicazeroth
That slap from cronus equaled about 4.58 billion tons of force(I have the calcs if you’d like). it should be close as to hold ALL continents together would take a trillion tons of force.
Has Cronus walked? And which post was that calc on?
So how much strength would it take to rip such a landmass?
@epicazeroth
“wasn’t that mearly the Minoan eruption. as for the Cronus clap we originally went with cides calcs here bloodrains(AKA NOT mine): “”Cronos weight-
1. 442m;
= 1,480,639,380 kg
= 1,632,125.54 tons
2. 500m;
= 2,143,347,050.754 kg
= 2,362,635.7 tons
For nothing else but to get a scale of things.
Pandora’s Temple weight;
Cronos forearm length
1. = 88m
2. = 100m
images.wikia.com/villains/images/1/1a/Kronos_11.png
Forearm = 1/5 height ]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHtjKDfaTkE
55 seconds ]
Height is 3x forearm
1. = 264m
2. = 300m
Width is 2x forearm
1. = 176m
2. = 200m
Length 2x forearm
1. = 176m
2. = 200m
Volume as a ellipsoid
1. = 4,271,110,321,067.8433 cm^3
2. = 6,267,477,344,730.001 cm^3
x2.5den rock density;
1. = 10,677,775,802,669.608 g
2. = 15,668,693,361,825.0025 g
1. = 10,677,775,802.608 kg | 1.067e10 kg
1. = 11,770,233 tons | 1.177e7 tons
2. = 15,668,693,361.8250025 kg | 1.566e10 kg
2. = 17,271,777.9 tons | 1.727e7 tons
If you can’t tell from above, 1. is if 442m and 2. is if 500m. The Ellipsoid volume was done on an online calculator cuz lazy.
Strength energy/force:
kg * 9.81 = Stationary Newtons
Force the Temple produces:
1. = 104,748,980,623.584 Newtons | 1.047e11 N
2. = 153,709,881,879.503 Newtons | 1.537e11 N
The force in Newtons that the Temple has from just being there. Not needed.
Kratos stopping Cronos’ 40,000,000kg hand at 1,500m/s
= 6e10 Newtons
= 5.12e13 Joules
Just a note on the force of the dead weight, without strength backing. Not needed by itself.
Cronos’ attack energy/force:
((kg*(speed))+(persons mass*persons attack speed))
1. = 2,847,210,717,759.845 Newtons | 2.847e12 N
1. = 3.22e14 Joules
2. = 4,121,940,971,543.724 Newtons | = 4.122e12 N
2. = 4.726e14 Joules
In GoW it appears as an ellipsoid, in GoW3 its a cone.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ompKbegok&feature=related
^10:34
Height is 3x forearm, width is 2x fore arm. The volume as a cone is 2,141,769,142,857.1409 cm^3, half the volume of the ellipsoid meaning half the weight.
As a cone:
1. = 1,423,605,358,879.9223 Newtons | 1.423e12 N
1. = 1.61e14 Joules
2. = 2,060,970,485,771.862 Newtons | = 2.060e12 N
2. = 2.363e14 Joules
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TL;DR:
-Cronos can lift 1.177e7-1.727e7 tons.
-Cronos strikes at 4.122e12 Newtons and 472.6 Terajoules.
-This is if Cronos is 500m tall and using an ellipsoid for the mass. Not sure if the cone should be used or not.””"
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I posted this on pit vs kratos,hes now capable of lifting billions of tons….
I seen the Cronos video.
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The dudes a fucking idiot for actually letting a flea sized Kratos crawl around on him and kill him.
@Negative Zero
“The dudes a fucking idiot for actually letting a flea sized Kratos crawl around on him and kill him.”
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^Note the fleas size(you would barely see him) and is was just as strong as cronus. its like antman of marvel vs a regular dude in a sense
“^Note the fleas size(you would barely see him) and is was just as strong as cronus. its like antman of marvel vs a regular dude in a sense”
“Kratos, where did you go?!”
Oh gee Cronos, I dunno. Why don’t you check the spot where you should obviously feel him fighting enemies and shit?
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Then when he does find him, he just stares at him mostly.
@Negative Zero
Yeah cronus was a tool, But one hell of as video game boss fight.
Don’t forget swallowing him. Yeah, because that worked with your children so long ago right? And its going to fsr work now when Kratos has the weapon that you son used pwn your entire army right? I wonder what could possibly go wrong with that lmfao
“Yeah cronus was a tool, But one hell of as video game boss fight.”
Did Cronos ever think “Hey, why don’t I just flick the little fucker off me and send him flying like a bajillion miles.”?
^Nope
Those calcs are rubbish.
@StealthRanger
“Don’t forget swallowing him”
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^Acid durability FTW!
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@TrashMan
Proof bud? How are the calcs rubbish?
“why don’t I just flick the little fucker off me and send him flying like a bajillion miles.”?”
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He tried to crush Kratos with thunder clap you are not serious right ?
Kratos overpowered Hercules…in the novel it confirms he took atlas place thus kratos has multi continent lvl lifting strength. thus stomps both matches thus no award sadly.
Did you read the part about Tulkas ripping landmasses in half and it being a huge surprise that he couldn’t lift the Sun?
@epicazeroth
Over ;powering Hercules(who DID take atlas place)>>>ripping landmass. as for the sun you arguing what he COULDN’T do thus arguing a non exsistant feat
epicazeroth@ *Did you read the part about Tulkas ripping landmasses in half and it being a huge surprise that he couldn’t lift the Sun*
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damn i love that part of the book.
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but my feelings aside i would say that the first round it would be more or less of a draw. i mean kratos was able to overpower hercules, who held up the world while atlas got the apples for him.
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second round? kratos. i dont ever recall tulkas having any weapons besides a boxing glove. kratos could just point that sword of olympus at tulkas and desintergrate him (just like zeus did(wait why didnt kratos just do this to the gods?))
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third round….. wait there isnt a third round… nvm then just ignore this.
If Kratos didn’t do it to the gods, he probably has CIS against it. Also, thanks for telling me how much of a fail the GoW developers are. Nobody ever held up the Earth in the mythology. Also, gendrons, it’s much easier to lift something than rip it in half.
Tulkas is vague but powerful character, he don’t need any weapon because his arms are enough, he doesn’t need stead because he’s faster than anything that runs on legs, his laughter is heard throughout ALL of earth, he is what called it Hercules up to eleven, nothing in Ea (the universe) ever defeated him, his coming to the aid of rest of the Valar changed the tide of war against most powerful Ainur Melkor, so you get the idea, if one being can change the war (remember that 13 Valar is not everything that took part in fighting, there are legions of lesser Ainur Maiars of which only handful names are ever given. Battle of the Powers waged after the awakenening of elves caused great earthquakes and flashes of ligh seen all the way from north pool of Arda (Earth) to Cuivienen, which was roughly many hundreds of miles, only Tulkas was able to physically struggle with Melkor and defeat him. Valar can assume many shapes, and their humanoid form has often ,,awe inspiring height”, such speed and strength which Tulkas has would be valuable for defeating Kratos, 14th Vala can take this fight. Weapon of ,,desintegration” as I call this sword
is designed for killing other kind of gods, gods of Tolkien world are truly immortal (but of course their physical shapes can be destroyed, though it never happened to any Vala), speed such as Tulkas could help him avoid any devastating attack and sheer experience (Tulkas practically IS god of war 
from different universe with different characteristics) would give him upper hand.
Over ;powering Hercules(who DID take atlas place)>>>ripping landmass. as for the sun you arguing what he COULDN’T do thus arguing a non exsistant feat
Hercules has strength rivalling the titans, but he never lifted earth (only sky in mythology and this is a difference) and if we are going by the game Hercules then there he didn’t even done that (at least we don’t have any clue he did, and the information that Atlas lifts earth is an in-game misconception contradicting mythology and still there are no information saying that Hercules could do the same). So concluding if Kratos overpowered Hercules in game, it doesn’t necessarily means he can do the same with a being which isn’t in any part human (full god more or less), and Hercules speed in game was really big advantage for him in fight with Kratos.
First match Kratos why he has the strength to lift up a titians hand from crushing him , and come on we all played the game , second match would be Kratos
Tulkas I think could easily overpower kratos in the 1st match based on the fact that Tulkas only ever fights with his fist. He was able to wrestle with Melkor the most powerful of the Ainur and throw him on his face and bind him.
As for the second battle I would think kratos would have a slight upper hand because of the fact that he has weapons and Tulkas would still be fighting with his fist.
Wow, I didn’t know there was a thread with Tulkas on FP!
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I would say Tulkas probably wins the first match. He took on Melkor in his most powerful incarnation (when he had been fought, anyway) in a one-on-one fight, and faceplanted the evil Lord into the rocks. Melkor was the second most powerful being ever in Tolkien’s world, aside from Eru (God), and a master of all malicious/evil art there ever was in Tolkien’s world, for he created it (the evil)! That said, Tulkas not only has extreme feats of hand-to-hand combat, but also is EXTREMELY resilient to magic/divine power (which Melkor possessed both of)
So tulkas wins the first round and Kratos the 2nd
Great it’s a draw lol