Suggested by EnigmaJ
A T-X from the Terminator franchise goes up against an enraged Alien Queen from the Alien vs Predator series.
They fight in the enclosed area where Ripley fought the queen at the end of the first Alien movie.
For both characters, the expanded universe is useable.
Who wins?
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Initial bet with T-X
I’m leaning towards the T-X here. Terminator plasma weapons have always been the kind to instantly vaporize people, flip trucks, ect. At least hers is only a single shot weapon unlike the assault rifles we see getting used in the original war with skynet. Ordinarily I’d say Queen, but plasma is about the only thing hot enough to actually kill a xenomorph, and the Queen is at a disadvantage where she can’t use cover or speed, she has just her strength going for her, and this situation makes it difficult for her to maneuver and keep up with small targets which can make more use of the tunnels. So basically we have a robot with a weapon which can actually hurt the Queen in an environment where the Queen will have an extremely hard time making use of her exceptional melee abilities.
Cool, an extension of the Aliens vs Extraterrestrials Capture the Flag match.
An area where Riplay faced the Queen? That could give Queenie some room to actually hit T-X but being as some Termies move at the same pace as APCs and it’s not the size of a house, I foresee a hit and run until she’s nothing but goo.
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Unless she gets blood all over it as she dies and then acid death is possible thus a draw but I think T-X wins since she’d die first = p
Is it debatable whether or not T-X will get hurt from Alien blood-acid?
Terminators do have rather powerful armor and the wiki states that T-X apparently has a liquid metal (mimetic polyalloy coating). What does acid do to liquid metal?..
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The T-X plasma cannon can destroy a Series 1000 terminator in one hit. Don’t know if that says anything about it.
Gonna vote for T-X. I don’t see how Queen can win.
We’d really have to calc the T-X’s plasma weapon. Without it she’s toast, with it she may just blow off the queens head.
Initial moneys going to the T-X.
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“Xenomorphs, in all stages of their life cycles, have been said to have vulnerabilities to heat, although this was only shown in a deleted scene from the Alien Special Edition DVD, in which Ripley searches for her missing shipmates in the bowels of what appears to be the engine/boiler room of the Nostromo.[5]”
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aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Xenomorph
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Anything weak to heat has nightmares about plasma.
I think I’ll side with the T-X for now. I’m not sure how competent an Alien Queen is in combat.
If someone opts for a PredAlien Queen to be used, would it have made a lick of difference in the Queen’s favor?
Does the PredAlien Queen have any other abilities than a normal Alien Queen?
@Captain
They get worse the more fights they survive from and they can also spawn PredAliens, among other things.
All in all, PredAlien Queens are something that need to be disposed of, ASAP!
I am going with the T-X.
Along with her plasma weaponry she also has a flamethrower which will cause a nice amount of damage.
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I cannot recall the area but I think the T-X will have advantage as she will have far more room to move around in than the Alien.
The Queen’s and Predalien are tough, but I have to go with the T-X
““Xenomorphs, in all stages of their life cycles, have been said to have vulnerabilities to heat, although this was only shown in a deleted scene from the Alien Special Edition DVD, in which Ripley searches for her missing shipmates in the bowels of what appears to be the engine/boiler room of the Nostromo.[5]”
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Anything weak to heat has nightmares about plasma.”
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This was disproved in Alien 3 when the runner, weakest caste outside the chest, took a 2 minute dip inside molten lead and was no worst for wear only dying when it was rapidly cooled, the PredAlien in AvP 2010 taking a dip through molten lava mutiple times as a means of sneaking up on you, and The Queen’s body, though it died. from AvP 2010 surviving being blown up inside of an oil refinery still shackled. They dislike fire because like all living creature they are afraid of it. Not at you but I hate wikis. Either they are wrong or exaggerated.
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“Is it debatable whether or not T-X will get hurt from Alien blood-acid?
Terminators do have rather powerful armor and the wiki states that T-X apparently has a liquid metal (mimetic polyalloy coating). What does acid do to liquid metal?..
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The acid would still effect it. Its not really liquid metal. Its a big mass of nanomachines that can self replicate and bring themselves back into a whole. Hence why the Plasma Cannon the T-X wields is designed to fry these ninites circuitry in 1 swoop to prevent this. However its biggest problem is the tail which people have not taken into account yet. The tail is twice the length of the queen. Depending on what size queen we are using its 40-100ft long and has a spear tip and is extremely nimble. Enough so she can pick up people and objects with it. Couple that with the fact that it’ll take more then 1 shot from the plasma cannon to kill her since it wasn’t designed to take out Ts with brute force but by circuitry frying and she has a chance. She could spear the T-X or grab it and tear it in half. And due to the T-X only being nanites on the outside she is still susceptible to brute force unlike the T-1000.
“. She could spear the T-X or grab it and tear it in half. ”
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Just pointhing this out, but that would not mission kill a T-X. It would still be able to keep shooting those plasma bolts into the Queen’s face even in that condition.
queen gets hit, bleeds all over, even if the T-X isn’t plashed by the acid, the hullis compromised and both are sucked into space. I think the T-X has the advantage at that point if it isn’t already too badly damaged to do anything.
“Just pointhing this out, but that would not mission kill a T-X. It would still be able to keep shooting those plasma bolts into the Queen’s face even in that condition.”
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Tearing it in half and tossing it at the strength the queen possesses would damage the cannon. Like I said before the T-X’s Plasma Cannon is extremely fragile. But even still the queens have multiple MOs. Some spear you then split you in half, some like to play and pull heads off slowly, some like to tear you apart limb by limb. And unless that Cannon hits with the force of anti-tank weaponry, which is canonically required to shoot a queen to death typically along the lines of the SADAR Anti-Tank rocket launcher, the PIG, or the Rail Gun, then it won’t do enough damage.
From the OP:
“They fight in the enclosed area where Ripley fought the queen at the end of the first Alien movie. ”
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I’m going to assume that this is the result of ignorance or a typo, but … Ripley didn’t fight the queen in the first Alien movie. She fought her in the second movie, Aliens (the “s” was added to the title instead of a 2 or :title bit). I would make this assumption because the Queen just can’t fit inside the escape ship that Ripley was in at the end of the first movie, where she fought the first xenomorph.
Also note that tearing it in half reduces it combat effectiveness by a huge margin. A fatal margin fact since it can no longer get away thus allowing the queen to finish it as she pleases. However this is all just hypothetical since it can go either way since the T-X has something like 17 more guns to pick from. None of those have ever been shown damage or utilization wise except the flamethrower and the M41A which won’t even scratch the queen.
“I’m going to assume that this is the result of ignorance or a typo, but … Ripley didn’t fight the queen in the first Alien movie. She fought her in the second movie, Aliens (the “s” was added to the title instead of a 2 or :title bit). I would make this assumption because the Queen just can’t fit inside the escape ship that Ripley was in at the end of the first movie, where she fought the first xenomorph.”
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I assume its a typo. He likely means the hanger of the Sulaco.
I assumed he meant in the actual Alien Hive, we need confirmation on where exactly the fight takes place, because if it’s in the hive then the Queen loses all of her maneuverability. If it is in the Sulaco then she actually has a real fighting chance.
T-X wins this unless enough of the queen’s blood can get on T-X without killing the queen
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I stand corrected. Even then, the Queen will have to close the gap to do any damage. The T-X won’t go for hand to hand unless it had to. It will pummel the Queen with t’s vast arsenal of projectiles. Plus, the T-X is far more agile and can easily leap over the Queen to avoid her.
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Also the T-X armor is not just nanobots. It is a malleable crystalline ceramic armor interlaced with carbon and titanium nano-fibers. The silver liquid is called mimetic polyalloy coating. It is used to change the outer appearance of the unit. As well as protection, but the endoskeleton is unbelievably strong to begin with.
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This is a list of weapons the T-X has available.
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IAD ChemTech Flamethrower
.223 Automatic Stopper
.45 Cascader
M41 pulse rifle (Aliens reference)
783 CHAIN Repeater
ADMOR BioBlaster
BioRail 32SR-9 (modified)
CG45 Needler
CONSIGLIO EBlaster
Crescent Corridor Blaster
EMP Generator
Finite Rapid Cluster Gun
HDE Predator (333b)
HK-54334 (modified)
KLD-Magnum Repeater
Laser X-ray Burst Gun
Rumsfeld P31 Caustic
Subauro Neutralizer (.444)
Tracking EBlaster
TWIN Barrier Gun
XFLRG 44mm
M41A pulse rifle
Nano-Disrupter (.222)
P31 Caustic Shells x231
“I stand corrected. Even then, the Queen will have to close the gap to do any damage. The T-X won’t go for hand to hand unless it had to. It will pummel the Queen with t’s vast arsenal of projectiles. Plus, the T-X is far more agile and can easily leap over the Queen to avoid her.”
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The only problem with this is is that the only weapons we seen in actual use in the entire arsenal is the M41A which is useless, the Flamethrower which is useless, and the Plasma Cannon which is not designed for use against targets such as the queen. Thus those are the only weapons with any known application are those 3. And as for agility remember the tail. The tail can be swung with steel crushing force extremely quickly thus can be used to knockdown or pin the T-X until the queen can get a hold of it. Once the Queen corners the thing its done.
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“Also the T-X armor is not just nanobots. It is a malleable crystalline ceramic armor interlaced with carbon and titanium nano-fibers. The silver liquid is called mimetic polyalloy coating. It is used to change the outer appearance of the unit. As well as protection, but the endoskeleton is unbelievably strong to begin with.”
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We seen how much the T-X can take. However the damage a fully grown queen can dish out surpasses that. We’ve seen queens and praetorians crush solid titanium like soda cans. We’ve seen Praetorians run into, I repeat, run into an APC with 5 people in it with enough force to flip on two wheel and bend the outer chassis.
@Red
True. But we still need to consider the other weapons. I’ll see what I can find. The T-X is designed to be a Terminator terminator. The T-1000 is very durable, and her other weapons have to be designed to hurt it. Explain to me again why the plasma cannon is useless? The Predator’s plasma caster worked just fine.
Predator Plasma cannons are stupidly strong. Even their large scale ones don’t always kill a normal xenomorph, and these cannons are easily 40k levels of fuck everything else up that they’ve hit with the sole exception of xenomorphs. Xenos have extremely high heat resistance, and while it is true that the T-X’s plasma cannon is very nasty, and can probably hurt the Queen, if this fight is in the Sulaco’s hanger then the Queen will have full maneuverability, making this a difficult fight for the T-X at best. Although her ability to take control of machines may be useful here, as she could just remote control the exosuits and the hanger and bring a lot more to the fight if she has the time to figure out a strategy like that.
Sorry, didn’t have time to come on the last few days and yeah, it’s been awhile since I’ve watched the alien movies. Could have sworn the Ripley vs Queen fight happened in the first movie… should rewatch them one of these days.
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And yes, I did in fact intend this fight to start off in the Sulaco’s hanger…. where Ripley fought the queen with a power loader.
Okay, “Alien” was the first film, that was the fuel-carrying cargo ship Nostromo, with Signourney Weaver, John Hurt (the famous chest-burster scene) and the film was only on LV-246 for a brief time, the majority of it was on the Nostromo as they tried to figure how to deal with the single Alien that was preying on them.
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“Aliens” is the 2nd film, best known for “game over man, game over!” from colonial marine Hudson, and it revolves around the planet from the first film being colonised by “The Company” (Weyland-Yutani). The colonists found the same ship that Ripley and her crewmates did, and all hell broke loose, with the aliens taking them out and nesting in the cooling towers (nice and cozy, and safe because you can’t fire weaponry for fear of blowing it up). The 2nd film also had that epic line “They mostly come at night. Mostly” from Newt, the little girl colonist who somehow survived the Aliens by living in the vent system. Apparently the bigger Aliens couldn’t fit and they decided not to bother sending the absolute ARMY of Facehuggers they had after her. Anyway, biggest difference was in Alien they only had DIY flamethrowers and pigprods, whereas in Aliens they had M41A pulse rifles with underslung grenade launchers, smart-rifles, APCs etc.
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And thanks for the clarification on the venue, so this is a battle on the Sulaco, in space. I was wondering because in the Hive there were facehuggers and warriors that would have frantically given their lives for the queen, the only reason Ripley didn’t get swarmed was that the Queen was wary of the flamethrower hard-boiling all her babies. Not saying the T-X couldn’t pull the same trick, but still.
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I think T-X has an immediate advantage, knowing that a LOT of humans have fought Queens and won. In fact….it’s actually been the more likely scenario. Obviously in AVP there’s a huge assist from a Predator, but in every game, in all the comics I’ve read so far, pretty much any time there’s a Queen, she doesn’t survive when she goes up against humans. So a T-X, faster, smarter, tougher and with good weaponry, I think the advantage is there immediately.
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It comes down to 2 factors. Can the Queen charge fast enough to grab the T-X, without being destroyed before she reaches it? Because that seems to be the only tactic of a Queen, they just bull-charge. I don’t think any Alien could hide from a Terminator’s sensors, so it has to be an open conflict, no assassination tail-attack. If the Alien can reach the T-X, the amount of acid blood she would disgorge would pretty much end anything, that’s like being hit by a water tower of melting death. If lava can destroy T-800, I’m pretty sure acid strong enough to melt a ship’s hull (and keep going through multiple levels) can destroy the T-X.
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The only other important element to this fight is the fragile nature of a ship’s hull. But let’s say the Queen bleeds and the vacuum of space starts to suck both fighters out of the ship. In that scenario the Queen is screwed. I believe the ship would at some stage split from the pressure. Even if she held on, she’d end up in space sooner or later, which would mean death. I don’t think it’d even come to that. The T-X would grab something to avoid being sucked out, then just fire at the Queen until she was too weak to hang on.
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So the brief and tiny glimpse the Queen might have at victory only comes at the price of her life as sooner or later she’s going to end up in space.
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This fight would be better if it was a T-X vs a whole hive of Aliens. Considering colonial marines regularly take down hives in the expanded universe, I still think T-X would have a good chance against a whole hive, given the strength, reaction time and accuracy of Terminators. The Aliens wouldn’t be able to rip a Terminator to pieces, though their claws might be able to shred and cause damage to any Terminator that can’t heal itself. So again, T-X is well-equipped. Best and only chance the Aliens have is to die and melt the T-X down. But another thing is the Aliens don’t automatically go after non-organics. I’m not even 100% sure they can even SEE something without a heat signature (Bishop was standing next to Ripley, maybe the Queen was aiming for her and missed). But let’s say they can track and see a T-X, they’d still be caught by surprise.
if the t-x ‘s target is not the queen and the queen doesn’t attack the t-x the t-x won’t attack the queen, the queen may not attack the t-x because its a machine so they may not even fight, but if the queen is the target the t-x will kill it in no time leaving a pool of acid creating a huge hole in the hull sucking the t-x into space which would be a draw, unless the t-x can function in space
Alien queen would win. Looks alot like something off of Duke nukem
Unlike the liquid metal terminator from the second movie the T-X actually has a skeletal structure which can be destroyed and damaged beyond immediate repair it looks like the T-X has enough force to rip itself apart so the Alien Queen is definately able to rip the T-X to shreds.
The T-X does have that plasma cannon though which would be devastating in the oxygenated compartments of a space ship if the T-X fired it would probably vaporise the cargo hold they’re in and maybe even a hull breach.
I think the T-X would have enough time to get at least 1 shot off succesfully eliminating the target and claiming victory.
I don’t really see the Queen getting past being shot by the plasma cannon. 9/10 to the T-X. Only way the T-X gets taken out is if the Queen manages to die on the T-X and the acid blood gets to it.
Lol, There was a comic about something like this, xenomorphs Vs Terminators Vs Predators… well, the terminators lost I believe. So, the T-X shoots its plasma cannon and what? It scratches the queen? Where’s the proof that it can penetrate anything close to the queens exoskeleton? And the plasma cannon works more like an EMP gun since it was designed to deal with nanites instead of organics.
But lets say that the plasma cannon can have enough of a punch to get the queen, how will it see the queen? Thermal vision? Infared? Well that’s what it uses. Also, it can uses blood for DNA recognition, well, let it sample the Queens blood, I doubt it’ll be around much longer.
But the Queen will still be able to sense the Terminator, Xenomorphs have been able to see non-organic matter, they don’t just bump into walls do they? No, they find tiny places where they can squeeze through. And in the 2010 AVP game the Xenomorph 6 could sense androids, well, aren’t terminators androids?
“ Lol, There was a comic about something like this, xenomorphs Vs Terminators Vs Predators… well, the terminators lost I believe. “
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There is a big difference between T-800s in read-only mode and the T-X models.
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“ So, the T-X shoots its plasma cannon and what? It scratches the queen? Where’s the proof that it can penetrate anything close to the queens exoskeleton? And the plasma cannon works more like an EMP gun since it was designed to deal with nanites instead of organics. “
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Take a look at the clip below at 02:40, does that really look like an “EMP gun”? EMP is not effective against a terminator; not only are they well shielded to reduce its effects, they just reboot if enough gets through to cause a problem (in another scene the T-X is stuck to the magnetic ring of a particle accelerator and she gets away from that for instance). Other scenes in future shots show the less powerful Westinghouse plasma rifles destroying vehicles.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CLIWyKuHiQ
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As for the “will it penetrate” nonsense, it does not take a lot to do that. The pulse rifles that are normally used against xenomorphs are not some super anti-tank gun. The specs for the 10 x 24 LAPET ammunition give it the same muzzle velocity as NATO 7.62 rounds in a rectangular G-11 style caseless propellant block. That means they have a little more energy since they are 10mm but not by some incredible amount like some people like to claim. Likewise the explosive warheads on the ammo will do a little extra damage but they are not tank cannon shells by a long shot. In fact the explosives probably contributed strongly to the high pressure blood bursts that made the xenos so dangerous to shoot at close range.
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“ But the Queen will still be able to sense the Terminator, Xenomorphs have been able to see non-organic matter, they don’t just bump into walls do they? No, they find tiny places where they can squeeze through. And in the 2010 AVP game the Xenomorph 6 could sense androids, well, aren’t terminators androids? “
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The bare endoskeletons could be called androids, and technically the T-X series is not biological at all since they use the liquid metal instead of a flesh sheathe, but they are usually still referred to as cyborgs in the movies. Where did the sense thing come in anyway? The queen might or might not understand what it is seeing when looking at a T-X, but it would be able to sense it if it was in sensory range and line of ‘sight’. The extreme stealth units are the T-1000 series, especially later ones like the T-1001 and the TXA (no relation to the T-X) that can split up into smaller pieces and sneak around that way.
” But lets say that the plasma cannon can have enough of a punch to get the queen, how will it see the queen? Thermal vision? Infared? ”
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Terminators see from 300 to 1000nm at least since the hud text says they do. That is infrared through visible light and into the ultraviolet range. They also have molecular analyzers for ‘smell’ (from the first movie) and the T-X models at least have genetic analysis and identification ‘taste’ and some other less well defined senses that can do things like penetrate clothing and skin (it could be some kind of penetrating radar).
“As for the “will it penetrate” nonsense, it does not take a lot to do that. The pulse rifles that are normally used against xenomorphs are not some super anti-tank gun. The specs for the 10 x 24 LAPET ammunition give it the same muzzle velocity as NATO 7.62 rounds in a rectangular G-11 style caseless propellant block. That means they have a little more energy since they are 10mm but not by some incredible amount like some people like to claim. Likewise the explosive warheads on the ammo will do a little extra damage but they are not tank cannon shells by a long shot. In fact the explosives probably contributed strongly to the high pressure blood bursts that made the xenos so dangerous to shoot at close range.”
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The problem with this is that the M41 is not effective against the queen as shown in AvP 2000. Just like Praetorians it requires anti-tank weaponry to eliminate the Queen. In AvP 2000 she was beaten via launching her out the ship. In AvP 2 you didn’t kill her the Predators did. The only time a queen was shot to death by human weaponry in the entire series was via a PIG. However a PIG can split a heavy tank in half at 1000 meters. The same can’t be said about the T-X Plasma Cannon.
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Another problem is you’re comparing modern day ballistics with the M41. The M41 works via a combination of modern propellant combined with Pulse technology making it something akin to a rail gun. Hence why the require batteries to use. Batteries that are good for about 10,000 rounds before needing to be changed if I remember correctly.
Also keep in mind that Plasma Based weaponry works primarily through heat. Heat that is dissipated by the Xenomorph exoskeleton hence why a runner can take a dip in molten lead and be no worse for wear and a Predalien can take a dip in magma as means of evasion literally swimming through it to avoid you.
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“ Another problem is you’re comparing modern day ballistics with the M41. The M41 works via a combination of modern propellant combined with Pulse technology making it something akin to a rail gun. Hence why the require batteries to use. Batteries that are good for about 10,000 rounds before needing to be changed if I remember correctly. “
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Whether or not it uses electrical acceleration the muzzle velocity is still given as 850 m/s which is a respectable speed for a bullet (like a NATO 7.62 x 51mm), but nothing over the top fantastic either. It does not need any coils or high voltage rails to get to that velocity, current assault rifles do it with slightly lighter slugs today with chemical propellant.
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The pulse rifle seems to be an advanced version of the G-11 concept; in that the battery would be mainly to ignite the block of caseless propellant surrounding the slug. While it is not well defined in the descriptions I have found so far I get the impression that the “pulse” part of the pulse rifle refers to its extremely high cyclic rate launching three (or whatever) bullets for every audible bang in a very high speed stutter fire pattern which would not only explain the discrepancy between the listed rate and the sound of the weapon (which sounds a lot like a mini14) it would give it a very powerful punch compared to today’s assault rifles without shooting the entire clip before the firer could get their finger off the trigger. It still would not be an anti-tank weapon or anything close though.
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“ Also keep in mind that Plasma Based weaponry works primarily through heat. Heat that is dissipated by the Xenomorph exoskeleton hence why a runner can take a dip in molten lead and be no worse for wear and a Predalien can take a dip in magma as means of evasion literally swimming through it to avoid you. “
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True. Terminators can withstand very high temperatures as well however. The melting point of lead is 621 degrees F and lava usually ranges from a little over 1,000 to just over 2,000 degrees F. The T-RIP, a T-800 prototype survived being showered in liquid titanium at 3034 degrees F. The plasma gun in the T-X is designed to kill other terminators so logically it would be hot enough to do so. Another aspect of the charged plasma the T-X gun fires is that it carries a powerful electrical charge from the way it and the one on the harvester arc when they hit when looking at it in single frame mode (though it is much easier to see with the large harvester cannon) so there is that damage vector to take into account too.
“Whether or not it uses electrical acceleration the muzzle velocity is still given as 850 m/s which is a respectable speed for a bullet (like a NATO 7.62 x 51mm), but nothing over the top fantastic either. It does not need any coils or high voltage rails to get to that velocity, current assault rifles do it with slightly lighter slugs today with chemical propellant.”
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This is true but is no longer true for the newer models. This number is from the original M41-A. However the M41-A/2 has increased this velocity to a significant enough degree to pierce the armor of a Predalien. The M41-E improved the muzzle velocity even more as well as making the rifle lighter. However that is irrelevant to the match at hand since the weapon is not involved here.
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“The plasma gun in the T-X is designed to kill other terminators so logically it would be hot enough to do so.”
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Not necessarily. Like you said the main damage, from my point of view anyway, is from the electric charge since it is primarily designed to be used against the T-1000 from what I’ve read being able to take 1 down in a single shot. However the T-850 was able to survive a shot with minor circuitry damage. However the exoskeleton did not appear to be damaged in any significant way.
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But like I said in a previous thread a queen’s body is also observed being blown up inside of a refinery while literally being shackled right onto the tanks. The damage that killed it appeared to be concussive since the body was still intact. Also in AvP the queen managed to survive an a nuclear explosion from the Predator’s wrist bomb. And it had to face this because it was still underground when the explosion went off.
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As for electricity it is not very effective based off what I’ve seen. Maybe if its of a significantly high voltage but we don’t know the exact level of the cannon. But then the queen is 50-100ft tall though depending on age.
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“ But like I said in a previous thread a queen’s body is also observed being blown up inside of a refinery while literally being shackled right onto the tanks. The damage that killed it appeared to be concussive since the body was still intact. Also in AvP the queen managed to survive an a nuclear explosion from the Predator’s wrist bomb. And it had to face this because it was still underground when the explosion went off. “
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It has been a while since I have seen that one but didn’t the queen get out before the nuke went off? I seem to remember it heading out right behind the main characters so it would not have taken the brunt of the explosion the same way the heroes did not.
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” However the T-850 was able to survive a shot with minor circuitry damage. However the exoskeleton did not appear to be damaged in any significant way. “
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The alloy of the endoskeleton is extremely heat resistant, and the impact point was a glancing hit on the torso where melting damage would not be easy to see since the movement in what would be the rib cage on a human is limited to breathing motions which would not affect the main functions if they stopped. The T-850 is also specifically designed to combat plasma armed opponents though they were done with something like the Westinghouse plasma “rifles” in mind instead of the more powerful T-X plasma gun.
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“ As for electricity it is not very effective based off what I’ve seen. Maybe if its of a significantly high voltage but we don’t know the exact level of the cannon. But then the queen is 50-100ft tall though depending on age. “
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True, the charge would be hard to determine with trucks being the usual recipients of the bolts. As for the size of the queen, it could not be much bigger than the one in the Aliens movie and still be able to move around freely in the limited space of the hold where the combat takes place.
“It has been a while since I have seen that one but didn’t the queen get out before the nuke went off? I seem to remember it heading out right behind the main characters so it would not have taken the brunt of the explosion the same way the heroes did not.”
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Nope it was still underground. Remember it burst out of the ice 5 minutes after the nuke went off since Scar had time to Blood the lead actress before the thing popped out. Thus it had to be hit by the full force of that explosion due to them being in a tunnel.
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“True, the charge would be hard to determine with trucks being the usual recipients of the bolts. As for the size of the queen, it could not be much bigger than the one in the Aliens movie and still be able to move around freely in the limited space of the hold where the combat takes place.”
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Since that queen is relatively young it was likely only 20ft since it didn’t completely tower over the powerloader. It was only 4-7 weeks old. However on average a fully established molted queen is 50ft tall with a 100ft tail. The older they get the bigger they get. The biggest queen on record is 100ft tall but she was pretty old.
“The alloy of the endoskeleton is extremely heat resistant, and the impact point was a glancing hit on the torso where melting damage would not be easy to see since the movement in what would be the rib cage on a human is limited to breathing motions which would not affect the main functions if they stopped. The T-850 is also specifically designed to combat plasma armed opponents though they were done with something like the Westinghouse plasma “rifles” in mind instead of the more powerful T-X plasma gun.”
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How powerful exactly is the T-X gun because it doesn’t seem quite as powerful as the plasma hits from weaponry found in the Aliens/Predator universe. Like the Plasma Caster the absolute worst of the bunch beside the flachette can disintegrate a grown man in body armor and the PIG which can split a tank in half not to mention the Blazer which fires laser beams as hot as the core of the sun.
There is no information on the T-X plasma gun besides what is seen in the movies unfortunately. It is apparently the same type as is used (on a larger scale) on the harvester since the SFX is identical between the two and considerably different from either of the Westinghouse or General Dynamics guns.
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A single shot is enough to lift the front off the ground and flip a large heavy fire engine and turn it into a 50,000 pound inferno. She never shot at a tank so the effect of that is unknown but probably similar enough to the PIG. Oddly enough it seems to need something fairly massive as a target for the full effect to be seen, the semi trailer did not display as much reaction as the 25 ton fire truck did (it is possible the majority of it blew through the trailer causing the discrepancy).
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If the type of plasma was known then the temperature would be easy to look up; if it is fusing hydrogen plasma then it could be sun-hot though I kind of doubt it unless there is something to contain the heat until it hits (otherwise it would have melted the side of the truck she was shooting out the side window of and left a trail of burning asphalt as it travelled down the road). That or the actual plasma itself is almost microscopic and the fireball burning atmospheric gasses around it or something along those lines.
I’m siding with the TX. Honestly, after what it did to that firetruck in the movie, I just don’t think the queen could survive.