Thanos Vs Dr. Doom

Thanos Vs Dr. Doom

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Who do you think would win if Thanos was to meet Dr. Doom?
Both Marvel villains would have time to prepare for the takeover of each others realm.
Thanos has death at his side, while Doom has his demons he deals with.
All versions of them are game.
Thanos could have the infinity gauntlet, but then doom could have the beyonders powers he was able to overtake.

Who wins?

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181 Comments on "Thanos Vs Dr. Doom"

  1. Tails111 July 11, 2012 at 7:24 am -      #1

    I’m leaning on Thanos (with the gauntlet, wasn’t he pretty much unbeatable) but I’ll need some Beyonder-powered Dr. Doom feats.

  2. StealthRanger July 11, 2012 at 7:25 am -      #2

    Initial bets with Thanos

  3. Lightning July 11, 2012 at 7:31 am -      #3

    Doom with prep? :hestonlaugh

  4. Hac148 July 11, 2012 at 8:37 am -      #4

    There is a reason those two havent met in the marvel universe before…

    above all, its because Thanos treats Doom like a small, thin, pretty man in a prison cell.

  5. Soldier's Shadow July 11, 2012 at 8:57 am -      #5

    I’m partially inclined towards Dr. Doom in this match-up. Were this any other match-up, the Titan would destroy Victor pretty easily between his extreme physical advantage and the Infinity Gauntlet but this match allow Doom some extra power and prep time.

    This man is stupidly overpowering when he has prep that Batman and Iron Man would be put to shame.
    ===

    Now I don’t know how well Thanos has worked with prep but I know that given enough prep, Doom has defeated Galactus before and considering his means of measuring his opponents through Doombots and the such, he can develop something that will allow him to one up Thanos.

  6. Harbinger Of Pastries July 11, 2012 at 9:25 am -      #6

    On the fence, but leaning towards Doom for now.

  7. AkumaTh July 11, 2012 at 10:02 am -      #7

    First instincts: DOOM!
    -
    Really thinking: Since Doom would have the Beyonder’s power, I recall reading a what if of him using it. No one was capable of challenging him and in the end he got bored and retconned that back to normal.
    -
    And if the rap is any indication, he did take over the world twice and gave it up cause he got bored.

  8. GuardianAngel1911 July 11, 2012 at 10:03 am -      #8

    the winner really depends on incarnation, comics with everything, I don’t even want to imagine the kinds of horror will be visited upon the universe. Most versions are probably going to be the same thing, other than versions where Doom never had access to the Beyonder powers in which case of how long before Thanos gets bored with him.
    In the end, toss up really. With Reality Gauntlet and Beyonder powers either could easily wipe the other from existence. Personally I’m on the fence as well. Whoever wins though gets the honor of having to fight the Avengers though.

  9. Crimson Sentry July 11, 2012 at 10:05 am -      #9

    I think it is common knowledge that reed richards is more intelligent then even doom, but I would definitely say that thanos is even more intelligent than doom. Thanos has become omnipotent twice in the universe once with the infinity gauntlet and once with the less known heart of the universe. Although Doom is amazing competition with all forms included, with a complete a complete infinity gauntlet thanos was able to oust the living tribunal from his universe and with the heart of the universe he is the one above all in that universe so I think Thanos has this handedly with all feats included :/

  10. Hac148 July 11, 2012 at 10:09 am -      #10

    There was also the time where thanos had posession of the heart of the universe. i believe that put him even above where he was with the infinity gauntlet.

  11. Crimson Sentry July 11, 2012 at 10:10 am -      #11

    Here’s the wikipedia reference for the heart of the universe with the references:

    Powers and abilities

    The Heart of the Universe is a means by which one can be “synchronized” with the ‘frequency’ of the entire Universe, becoming one with all of it, from the Great Powers of the Universe all the way down to the most abstract ideals; when in possession of the entirety of the Heart, Thanos realized that he not only became the entirety of such things as all matter, energy, and arcane forces but also became, for example, the individual thoughts of each and every sentient being and “…the last breath of a dying woman.”
    As was the case with the Infinity Gauntlet,[1] however, the possession of this power did not impart to its wielder any added wisdom or intelligence.
    Due to the nature of Thanos’s body and its “experience” in channeling vast amounts of energy,[2] he alone was capable of directly merging the Heart within himself (whereas the Order and Akhenaten were forced to use machinery to siphon energy from the Heart; even thousands of years later, they could not directly interface with it).[3] As a result, he became far more powerful than even the combined might of Akhenaten and the entire Celestial Order. By comparison, Akhenaten was powerful enough in his own right to take over the entire planet, defeat the Avengers, and even take down the combined might of all of the Marvel Universe’s assembled gods with very little effort.[4]
    At last, the Heart of the Universe gives the user omnipotent cosmic powers above that of the Living Tribunal, making them second only to the One-Above-All.[5]
    [edit]References

    ^ Infinity Gauntlet #1-6 (Jul-Dec 1991)
    ^ Captain Marvel vol 1 #32
    ^ Marvel Universe: The End #4-5 (2003)
    ^ Marvel Universe: The End #2-3 (2003)
    ^ Marvel Universe #6 (Aug 2003)

    Thanos wins this, im sorry

  12. Crimson Sentry July 11, 2012 at 10:11 am -      #12

    At last, the Heart of the Universe gives the user omnipotent cosmic powers above that of the Living Tribunal, making them second only to the One-Above-All.[5]

    ^ Marvel Universe #6 (Aug 2003)

  13. Crimson Sentry July 11, 2012 at 10:11 am -      #13

    btw I’ve been waiting for this match-up for a long time :P

  14. GuardianAngel1911 July 11, 2012 at 10:25 am -      #14

    heart of the universe seems like it wins the match for Thanos

  15. Hac148 July 11, 2012 at 10:31 am -      #15

    so, seeing as they are allowed any incarnation, and dooms presence in the marvel-verse with beyonder powers would, as per the workings of the heart, would only add that to the vast array at thanos’ disposal, i vote thanos roflstomps

  16. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 11:10 am -      #16

    Maybe i’m just lawyering, but if the scenario states he could have the gauntlet while doom gets beyonder powers, would that exclude the hotu? The scenario is poorly worded but it seems that would be the strongest artifact he could wield…. Stupid scenario

  17. GuardianAngel1911 July 11, 2012 at 11:20 am -      #17

    I think it was more like, Thanos could do x but Doom could do y like a sample of what could happen. It doesn’t really exclude anything

  18. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 11:46 am -      #18

    @Ga
    I understand that. I just wondered if those were their caps, due to the wording. Idk about this with the IG prep doom may have a chance, seeing how it’s his lolhax power like bat man. Hotu, however, negates all. If the LT was stomped by hotu,, what hope for a doom/beyonder even with prep? Pull a Batman ala anti-titan spray?

  19. MrTBSC July 11, 2012 at 12:48 pm -      #19

    only thing i know about both
    they are extremly powerfull and intelligent
    -
    yet initial vote would go to thanos
    me things he has better knowledge and understanding about cosmic powers and such ..
    well that´s pretty much all i can say for this match ..

  20. Harbinger Of Pastries July 11, 2012 at 2:07 pm -      #20

    I don’t think Thanos should get the HOTU. If he does, it’s an immediate stomp. Even then, I think Thanos stomps due to the infinity gauntlet. I mean, Doom has been cosmic several times (Odinforce, Power Cosmic, and the Beyonder powers), but still, the infinity gauntlet pwns. Only the Living Tribunal and the One Above All are above it’s power. So, unless you seriously nerf Thanos, he rapestomps.

  21. GuardianAngel1911 July 11, 2012 at 2:09 pm -      #21

    welp then thats all folks

  22. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 2:11 pm -      #22

    Sad. Maybe doom with prep vs thanos at base power?

  23. GuardianAngel1911 July 11, 2012 at 2:23 pm -      #23

    @PrimusxPilus
    no Beyonder powers I presume?
    Well it said any incarnation is game so how about we just debate whatever potential set up is fairest? I mean the set up seems to leave it pretty open to debate.

  24. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 2:42 pm -      #24

    @GA
    Well that’s the thing. Would thanos be near beyonder level or no? Both at base, I THINK doom could eek out a win with prep. Like I said he’s the marvel Batman lol. It’s just that Thanos is such a beast…. Pretty much his weaknesses is plot

  25. GuardianAngel1911 July 11, 2012 at 2:50 pm -      #25

    Pretty much Thanos is one of the physically most powerful beings, the set up says death is on his side for this one, so would that mean Thanos can’t die?

  26. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 3:06 pm -      #26

    @GA
    Thus here is the inherent problem with vague scenarios. I can see the IG as the max “gear” but all versions give him the hotu.. Death at his side is vague as well. Does she make him immortal, a tag team do, snuff out doom, give thanos one life, ten, twenty? Too many vagaries in addition to it being stacked against Victor Von Doom from what we can extrapolate make this pointless

  27. Crimson Sentry July 11, 2012 at 3:31 pm -      #27

    Let me break down they reasons why Thanos wins here.
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    1.) It is canon that he has gotten the heart of the universe, and it said all versions, so yes he thanos has the heart of the universe and it can be used in this debate.
    2.) Believe it or not, Thanos is more intelligent than Dr. Doom, and he actually has doom on a list of his biggest threats in the galaxy and has made a contingency plan to deal with him.
    3.) Death if she wants can deny you from her realm, which means you CANNOT die period, even if every scrap you has been obliterated. This has happened to deadpool when death cursed him and he was able to regenerate from one cell.
    -
    This is all canon ^

  28. Crimson Sentry July 11, 2012 at 3:35 pm -      #28

    The ironic thing is that Thanos is so powerful at base level he actually bestowed immortality on deadpool before death cursed deadpool, so that he could never see death again and thanos could consort death, which is what lead death to cursing deadpool and denying him from her realm.

  29. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 4:08 pm -      #29

    @Crimson
    To reiterate, pointless match is pointless

  30. Gluttonous-Behemoth July 11, 2012 at 4:23 pm -      #30

    Anyone else kinda tentative about Thanos being introduced into the Marvel Cinematic Universe? They have a habit of changing characters and backstory (though, up to the present they’ve done a fair job), so I worry that Thanos could become another Galactus a la Rise of the Silver Surfer and become a mockery of the character.
    -
    Thing is, if they keep Thanos at his comic-hood best, the sorta nerfed Avengers will have a nearly impossible time trying to defeat him, even without the IG. Which leads me to conclude that horrendous PIS shall be involved.

  31. glacier July 11, 2012 at 4:41 pm -      #31

    Can’t the infinity gauntlet just nullify anything doom has at his disposal? Or during prep time, change up this match up so that doom doesn’t get his beyonder powers in the match up and only he (thanos) gets prep time? The possibilities are endless!! Thanos.

  32. glacier July 11, 2012 at 4:46 pm -      #32

    @gluttonous- I don’t think Joss Whedon, being the marvel super fan he actually is, would even think of doing something like what they did in fantastic four two. Those movies were a mess in my opinion. Have faith in Whedon. He wants to see a cool marvel film Judy’s as much as we do.
    In short, he’ll pull it off.

  33. GuardianAngel1911 July 11, 2012 at 4:58 pm -      #33

    I don’t know who was in charge of Rise of the Silver Surfer.
    And isn’t Plot really the only reason Thanos usually loses, didn’t someone once say he has thing about wanting to lose or something.
    Still the fact they kept his appearance from the comics unlike with the Galactcloud thing in Rise of the Silver Surfer is a good sign

  34. glacier July 11, 2012 at 5:01 pm -      #34

    Yup Thanos technicalities.

  35. Gluttonous-Behemoth July 11, 2012 at 5:18 pm -      #35

    True. I have confidence in Whedon. I still think it was kinda cheap to have that Phantom Menace styled “Control Ship” thing that killed all of the Chitauri when that big vessel was destroyed.

  36. glacier July 11, 2012 at 5:25 pm -      #36

    Well that’s just one of those things that’s kinda necessary in movies. You gotta end it somewhere, right? I mean the avengers all had a fair share of chitauri/ skrull bashing. What are you gonna do though, you know? I can’t wait for the sequel with Black Panther’s intro.

  37. Gluttonous-Behemoth July 11, 2012 at 5:27 pm -      #37

    Sequel info’s out already? They gonna have Ant Man?

  38. GuardianAngel1911 July 11, 2012 at 5:37 pm -      #38

    Is there already info on the sequel?
    —-
    as for the ship, they had to do something with that Nuke and to help solidify the friendship between Cap and Tony that we know exists. it was either the ship kills them when destroyed or they all get sucked up in the portal back where they came from, plus, Thanos as is stated has problems with winning sometimes.

  39. Gluttonous-Behemoth July 11, 2012 at 5:40 pm -      #39

    True, the cost of bringing in a very powerful badass who happens to be the bad guy.

  40. glacier July 11, 2012 at 5:42 pm -      #40

    @guardian-
    Tony and caps relationship is complicated. I love the way they did that in the movie.
    And glut, first of all we all know there’s gonna be a sequel, and second, I just heard about the black panther movie in the works so we can assume he’ll be jn the avengers sequel. As for ant man, that’d be awesome! But with him comes the wasp, sooo…ew. I hate the wasp.
    And Hellz yeah Thanos is allergic to winning in the end!

  41. Gluttonous-Behemoth July 11, 2012 at 5:45 pm -      #41

    He does it on purpose. If he won totally, he wouldn’t get to kick everybody’s asses again and again.

  42. glacier July 11, 2012 at 5:50 pm -      #42

    True that glut. And I did a little research on black panther movie, and with it I found ant man movie may also be in the works as well as dr. Strange and guardians of the galaxy.

  43. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 6:06 pm -      #43

    NO OOOOOO.
    They’ll never convey the Badass that is Stephen Strange…. If it fails I will nerd rage until I have an aneurysm

  44. I-REAPER-I July 11, 2012 at 6:11 pm -      #44

    I was a little worried when I saw Thanos. The first thing I thought to myself was “How are they gonna fuck this up now?” But having LOVED Avengers and the direction they took with it, I gave myself hope.
    ===
    I heard about Black Panther. 10 bucks says Idris Elba or Djimon Hounsou will be the Panther. Djimon would be badass, I think he was born to play BP.

  45. Soldier's Shadow July 11, 2012 at 6:12 pm -      #45

    “heart of the universe seems like it wins the match for Thanos”

    ===

    Where does it say he had this in the match?

    ===

    “If the LT was stomped by hotu,, what hope for a doom/beyonder even with prep? ”

    ===

    Well, if the Pre-Retcon Beyonder’s power was the power Doom absorbed, that would put him above the LT. Considering Doom ruled the whole Marvel verse in that What If, technically wouldn’t that have meant he was above the LT in it?

    ===

    “Like I said he’s the marvel Batman ”

    ===

    Nah, Iron Man is more of the Marvel Batman being a billionaire playboy with a high tech suit that he constantly uses his company’s resources to make better.

    ===

    “so would that mean Thanos can’t die?”

    ===

    Technically, it’d make him like Deadpool there but if Doom has the power of the Pre-Retcon Beyonder, he’d be able to override it.

    ===

    “2.) Believe it or not, Thanos is more intelligent than Dr. Doom, and he actually has doom on a list of his biggest threats in the galaxy and has made a contingency plan to deal with him.”

    ===

    No doubt Thanos is intelligent but does he really supersede Doom? Since when?

    ===

    So, I think this all hinges on which era of Beyonder power does Doom have?

  46. glacier July 11, 2012 at 6:17 pm -      #46

    @reaper
    Idris is already in Thor sooooooo…
    But as for djimon, I haven’t really seen him in anything. Marvel productions tend to go for slightly bigger names for their main roles; cap, iron man, etc..

  47. GuardianAngel1911 July 11, 2012 at 6:21 pm -      #47

    @Soldiers Shadow
    At least Ironman is honest about using funds for the Ironman armors, and he is making his world a better place what with the clean energy stuff and all. What is the most most movie Batmen have done? Besides make fancy tanks in the most recent movies.

  48. I-REAPER-I July 11, 2012 at 6:23 pm -      #48

    Djimon was in Blood Diamond, Gladiator, he was the voice of BP in the show. If you haven’t seen him in anything then you just don’t watch movies. And Marvel got Chris Hemsworth, who was not a big star.

  49. GuardianAngel1911 July 11, 2012 at 6:23 pm -      #49

    Also I like Wasp, she’s not that bad, Ant Man would be more a problem though. Where Tony outlets with whiskey Hank outlets with abusing women, or at least he used to. It’s easy to get someone drinking into movies protagonist or not, but abusing women is a line not crossed

  50. GuardianAngel1911 July 11, 2012 at 6:25 pm -      #50

    @Reaper
    He was the voice in the most recent Avengers cartoon? Or one of the others they’ve done?

  51. I-REAPER-I July 11, 2012 at 6:27 pm -      #51

    @Guardian
    The 2010 one.

  52. AkumaTh July 11, 2012 at 6:28 pm -      #52

    Pretty much Thanos is one of the physically most powerful beings, the set up says death is on his side for this one, so would that mean Thanos can’t die?
    -
    The only reason Death is on his side is so Thanos could impress her enough to get a date and do his best Quagmire impression.

  53. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 6:33 pm -      #53

    “All versions of them are game.”
    ===
    “welp” this means thanos gets the heart of the universe which means he literally turns doom into a can opener
    .
    - IF YOU’RE A MAN, YOU DON’T CRY ABOUT IT. YOU TAKE LIFE: THE UPS AND DOWNS. IF YOU’RE A REAL MAN, YOU NEVER GO DOWN. YOU JUST STAY UP.
    THAT’S WHY I’M THE WORLD CHAMPION.
    THAT’S WHY THIS SPORTS COAT COST $800! AND THAT COST $200! AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT COST, I’D BE ASHAMED TO WEAR IT. THAT’S WHY I’M WEARING LIZARD SHOES. AND A ROLEX WATCH. AND I GOT A LIMOUSINE SITTING OUT THERE A MILE LONG WITH 25 WOMEN JUST DYING FOR ME TO GO “woo.”
    BECAUSE I’M THE WORLD CHAMPION, SUCKER.

  54. The Black Crusader July 11, 2012 at 6:35 pm -      #54

    If Dr. Doom gets the power of the Pre-retcon Beyonder, then he absolutely babyshakes Thanos, and HOTU won’t make any difference.

  55. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 6:40 pm -      #55

    Djimon would be badass, I think he was born to play BP.

    ^ this

  56. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 6:43 pm -      #56

    @crusader
    Lolwut? Now serious question:
    How will he baby shake an LT stomping Thanos?

  57. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 6:47 pm -      #57

    “If Dr. Doom gets the power of the Pre-retcon Beyonder, then he absolutely babyshakes Thanos, and HOTU won’t make any difference.”
    ====
    No, LT> classic beyonder…. Thanos with HOTU kicked LT’s ass, what you fail to understand is that HTOU= the power of the TOAA

  58. glacier July 11, 2012 at 6:49 pm -      #58

    To be honest I didn’t know that about djimon. I guess I don’t watch enough movies.

  59. Soldier's Shadow July 11, 2012 at 6:53 pm -      #59

    Wasn’t it stated that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the most powerful being above even the LT and below only the TOAA?

  60. Soldier's Shadow July 11, 2012 at 6:56 pm -      #60

    @Guardian

    I meant more on the characteristics of both than anything.

    Also, Batman has Carousel reversal spray, your argument is now invalid.

  61. The Black Crusader July 11, 2012 at 6:59 pm -      #61

    @Chuck
    No, Pre-Retcon Beyonder was omnipotent, and thus far above LT.
    -
    imageshack.us/photo/my-images/66/beyonderisrealitydw2.jpg/
    -
    imageshack.us/photo/my-images/204/beyondspacetime2pq7.jpg/
    -

  62. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 7:01 pm -      #62

    “Wasn’t it stated that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the most powerful being above even the LT and below only the TOAA?”
    ===
    No, actually the opposite the LT is only second to TOAA
    marvel.com/universe/Living_Tribunal
    .
    - IF YOU’RE A MAN, YOU DON’T CRY ABOUT IT. YOU TAKE LIFE: THE UPS AND DOWNS. IF YOU’RE A REAL MAN, YOU NEVER GO DOWN. YOU JUST STAY UP.
    THAT’S WHY I’M THE WORLD CHAMPION.
    THAT’S WHY THIS SPORTS COAT COST $800! AND THAT COST $200! AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT COST, I’D BE ASHAMED TO WEAR IT. THAT’S WHY I’M WEARING LIZARD SHOES. AND A ROLEX WATCH. AND I GOT A LIMOUSINE SITTING OUT THERE A MILE LONG WITH 25 WOMEN JUST DYING FOR ME TO GO “woo.”
    BECAUSE I’M THE WORLD CHAMPION, SUCKER.

  63. The Black Crusader July 11, 2012 at 7:01 pm -      #63

    Sorry, meant to post more feats.
    -
    Here, all the cosmic entities, including the LT are begging the Beyonder to not kill death, but he does so anyway.

    imageshack.us/photo/my-images/128/abstractsbegbeyonder2wr7.jpg/
    -
    imageshack.us/photo/my-images/431/beyondermillionsofxmorepowerfu.jpg/

  64. The Black Crusader July 11, 2012 at 7:02 pm -      #64

    @Chuck
    First of all, that’s a wiki. At least try to find information from comics. Secondly, as of NOW the LT is second only to TOAA, but before the Beyonder’s retcon, he was omnipotent.

  65. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 7:03 pm -      #65

    “No, Pre-Retcon Beyonder was omnipotent, and thus far above LT.”
    ===
    Stupid and false since there can only be one omnipotent and that is TOAA
    ==
    - IF YOU’RE A MAN, YOU DON’T CRY ABOUT IT. YOU TAKE LIFE: THE UPS AND DOWNS. IF YOU’RE A REAL MAN, YOU NEVER GO DOWN. YOU JUST STAY UP.
    THAT’S WHY I’M THE WORLD CHAMPION.
    THAT’S WHY THIS SPORTS COAT COST $800! AND THAT COST $200! AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT COST, I’D BE ASHAMED TO WEAR IT. THAT’S WHY I’M WEARING LIZARD SHOES. AND A ROLEX WATCH. AND I GOT A LIMOUSINE SITTING OUT THERE A MILE LONG WITH 25 WOMEN JUST DYING FOR ME TO GO “woo.”
    BECAUSE I’M THE WORLD CHAMPION, SUCKER.

  66. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 7:04 pm -      #66

    “@Chuck
    First of all, that’s a wiki. At least try to find information from comics. Secondly, as of NOW the LT is second only to TOAA, but before the Beyonder’s retcon, he was omnipotent.”
    ==
    No that’s marvel’s official website thus making it canon

  67. The Black Crusader July 11, 2012 at 7:09 pm -      #67

    “Stupid and false since there can only be one omnipotent and that is TOAA”
    -
    For fuck’s sake… HE WAS RETCONNED. Before his retcon, he was omnipotent. I have provided on-panel feats showing this. I can provide more easily if there is any doubt.
    -
    “No that’s marvel’s official website thus making it canon”
    -
    I have shown you feats IN COMICS showing that Beyonder was far above LT.

  68. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 7:14 pm -      #68

    “For fuck’s sake… HE WAS RETCONNED. Before his retcon, he was omnipotent. I have provided on-panel feats showing this. I can provide more easily if there is any doubt.”
    ===
    I’ll say it again, THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE OMIPOTENT and that is and will always be TOAA. Personal claims aren’t taken as proof here anyway
    ===
    “I have shown you feats IN COMICS showing that Beyonder was far above LT.”
    ===
    And yet actual canon says otherwise. LT is below TOAA only
    ==
    - IF YOU’RE A MAN, YOU DON’T CRY ABOUT IT. YOU TAKE LIFE: THE UPS AND DOWNS. IF YOU’RE A REAL MAN, YOU NEVER GO DOWN. YOU JUST STAY UP.
    THAT’S WHY I’M THE WORLD CHAMPION.
    THAT’S WHY THIS SPORTS COAT COST $800! AND THAT COST $200! AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT COST, I’D BE ASHAMED TO WEAR IT. THAT’S WHY I’M WEARING LIZARD SHOES. AND A ROLEX WATCH. AND I GOT A LIMOUSINE SITTING OUT THERE A MILE LONG WITH 25 WOMEN JUST DYING FOR ME TO GO “woo.”
    BECAUSE I’M THE WORLD CHAMPION, SUCKER.

  69. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 7:17 pm -      #69

    “And yet actual canon says otherwise. LT is below TOAA only”
    -
    That’s after the retcon. Weren’t you paying attention to what Black said?

  70. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 7:29 pm -      #70

    @sorrow
    True but the retcon negates that premise. He never really was that powerful, just in his mind. It’s like i’m the strongest, but only because I was around those that pulled punches while being assisted by a ninja know nothing about. So I may be wrong but the retcon retroactively negates the claim that the beyonder> LT. Sorry UHF i’m wrong i’m not that knowledgeable

  71. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 7:31 pm -      #71

    Stupid phone….

  72. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 7:33 pm -      #72

    “That’s after the retcon. Weren’t you paying attention to what Black said?”
    ===
    Weren’t you paying attention to what I said? We don’t take personal claims seriously here unless the narrator said beyonder was omnipotent
    ===
    - IF YOU’RE A MAN, YOU DON’T CRY ABOUT IT. YOU TAKE LIFE: THE UPS AND DOWNS. IF YOU’RE A REAL MAN, YOU NEVER GO DOWN. YOU JUST STAY UP.
    THAT’S WHY I’M THE WORLD CHAMPION.
    THAT’S WHY THIS SPORTS COAT COST $800! AND THAT COST $200! AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT COST, I’D BE ASHAMED TO WEAR IT. THAT’S WHY I’M WEARING LIZARD SHOES. AND A ROLEX WATCH. AND I GOT A LIMOUSINE SITTING OUT THERE A MILE LONG WITH 25 WOMEN JUST DYING FOR ME TO GO “woo.”
    BECAUSE I’M THE WORLD CHAMPION, SUCKER.

  73. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 7:39 pm -      #73

    “We don’t take personal claims seriously here unless the narrator said beyonder was omnipotent”
    -
    Since when was this a personal claim? Black gave you scans.

  74. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 7:45 pm -      #74

    “Since when was this a personal claim? Black gave you scans”
    ===
    The beyonder stating it himself is a personal claim. Like how cell stated he could destroy a solar system is a personal claim and besides he got his powers taken away by dr doom. That sure as hell doesn’t sound omnipotent to me.

  75. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 7:47 pm -      #75

    It wasn’t a person claim. It was the narrator who said it.

  76. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 7:47 pm -      #76

    Edit: It wasn’t a *personal claim.

  77. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 7:53 pm -      #77

    “It wasn’t a person claim. It was the narrator who said it.”
    ===
    In which scan?
    .
    - IF YOU’RE A MAN, YOU DON’T CRY ABOUT IT. YOU TAKE LIFE: THE UPS AND DOWNS. IF YOU’RE A REAL MAN, YOU NEVER GO DOWN. YOU JUST STAY UP.
    THAT’S WHY I’M THE WORLD CHAMPION.
    THAT’S WHY THIS SPORTS COAT COST $800! AND THAT COST $200! AND I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT COST, I’D BE ASHAMED TO WEAR IT. THAT’S WHY I’M WEARING LIZARD SHOES. AND A ROLEX WATCH. AND I GOT A LIMOUSINE SITTING OUT THERE A MILE LONG WITH 25 WOMEN JUST DYING FOR ME TO GO “woo.”
    BECAUSE I’M THE WORLD CHAMPION, SUCKER.

  78. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 7:53 pm -      #78

    The last scan Black posted.

  79. VAMPIRE-VIGILANTE July 11, 2012 at 8:04 pm -      #79

    Am i the only one who seems to remember thanos annihilating all the heroes in the universe. that can’t be ignored. and im pretty sure thanos has it all over doom in intelligence.

  80. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 8:07 pm -      #80

    “Am i the only one who seems to remember thanos annihilating all the heroes in the universe.”
    -
    Well yeah that was with the Infinity Gauntlet and the Heart of the Universe

  81. The Black Crusader July 11, 2012 at 8:11 pm -      #81

    The power of the Beyonder that Doom took unto himself WAS the power of Pre-retcon Beyonder. He briefly wielded this power, but it went back to the Beyonder. I have shown that he was omnipotent. If this is in doubt, I will post more scans of comics. This being said, with the power of the Beyonder, Doom takes this.
    -
    “I’ll say it again, THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE OMIPOTENT and that is and will always be TOAA. Personal claims aren’t taken as proof here anyway”
    -
    No Chuck, that is not a personal claim. I have conclusively shown you through on panel feats that Pre-retcon Beyonder is omnipotent. It’s funny, because it is a personal claim that only one omnipotent being can exist at one time.

  82. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 8:12 pm -      #82

    @sorrow
    Mind addressing post # 70? Is like to better understand the significance of the retcon better. Thanks in advance for your time

  83. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 8:14 pm -      #83

    @crusader
    I believe the claim is dependent on pure or post retcon beyonder, as well as the answer to post 70

  84. PrimusxPilus July 11, 2012 at 8:16 pm -      #84

    Damn phone makes me sound so retarded…. Apologies all

  85. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 8:20 pm -      #85

    @Primus
    Sorry I didn’t mean to across like I was ignoring you. The argument Black is making is that before the retcon the Beyonder was in fact omnipotent. Black have scans to support it and it even has the comic itself tell us he had omnipotence. (that being the narrator)

  86. The Black Crusader July 11, 2012 at 8:23 pm -      #87

    @Primus
    Yeah, if Doom gets the power of current Beyonder, then Thanos stomps him effortlessly. If Doom gets the power of Pre-retcon Beyonder, as he did in comics, then he stomps Thanos.

  87. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 8:27 pm -      #88

    “This being said, with the power of the Beyonder, Doom takes this.”
    ===
    Can you back this claim up?
    ===
    ” It’s funny, because it is a personal claim that only one omnipotent being can exist at one time.”
    ===
    You sound stupid. There can only be one omnipotent.

  88. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 8:30 pm -      #89

    “There can only be one omnipotent.”
    -
    Can you prove it? At one point Thanos had the Heart of the Universe, which made him every bit as powerful as TOAA,

  89. VAMPIRE-VIGILANTE July 11, 2012 at 8:32 pm -      #90

    www.boomtron.com/2011/10/doctor-doom-badass-of-the-week/
    this should prove the win. there was an article on thanos too but i cant find it

  90. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 8:36 pm -      #91

    “Can you prove it? At one point Thanos had the Heart of the Universe, which made him every bit as powerful as TOAA,”
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    Yes he had the power of TOAA he was basically a god hence the reason he owned LT and all of his companions

  91. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 8:38 pm -      #92

    “Yes he had the power of TOAA he was basically a god hence the reason he owned LT and all of his companions”
    -
    So that made him an omnipotent along side TOAA. Disproving your claim only one can exist.

  92. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 8:40 pm -      #93

    Omnipotents can’t have there powers stolen

  93. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 8:42 pm -      #94

    “Omnipotents can’t have there powers stolen”
    -
    Says who?

  94. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 8:43 pm -      #95

    “So that made him an omnipotent along side TOAA. Disproving your claim only one can exist.”
    ===
    No I never said thanos was omnipotent. He was more nigh omnipotent

  95. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 8:47 pm -      #96

    I’m saying the Heart of the Universe gave him omnipotence. He was literally one with everything in creation.
    -
    In fact his omnipotence was never stolen. He was convinced to give it up to save the universe.

  96. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 8:47 pm -      #97

    “Says who?”
    ====
    So now you’re saying omnipotents can have their powers TAKEN from them? *facepalm* see this is why I don’t take you seriously

  97. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 8:49 pm -      #98

    “So now you’re saying omnipotents can have their powers TAKEN from them? *facepalm* see this is why I don’t take you seriously”
    -
    You made a positive claim, don’t just brush it aside. Prove it.

  98. Chuck inglish July 11, 2012 at 8:56 pm -      #99

    First let me give you the definition of omnipotent -1. almighty or infinite in power, as God.
    2. having very great or unlimited authority or power. Meaning they can do anything. Omnipotents can’t have their powers stolen from them unless the let it be done

  99. TheSorrow July 11, 2012 at 9:02 pm -      #100

    This is Marvel we are talking about. Whatever happens in there has no effect on reality out here. If a person with omnipotence gets his powers stolen, then that’s what happens. They even say in the comic he has omnipotence. It doesn’t matter if it commits a logical fallacy.

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