Suggested by EnigmaJ
The Skrulls (Marvel) have decided to take planet Namek in order to expand their Empire, but Freiza has already set his sights on it in order to take the Dragonballs (Dragon Ball Z).
The Skrulls send in their greatest warrior, the Super Skrull in order to stop him.
Both meet on a relatively deserted side of the planet.
Who wins?
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Kl’Rt, as powerful as he is, I wouldn’t class him as the greatest Skrull warrior. He’s not the strongest of the Super Skrull’s and they have several physical gods who exceed him.
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Anyway, can’t Skrully just use nova-flame or make a brain-bubble inside Frieza?
Til Frieza places a planet destroying dot inside of Kl’rt.
Yeah, Friezers got this in the bag.
“Til Frieza places a planet destroying dot inside of Kl’rt.”
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Since when could he create dots to destroy planets? What, you mean when he killed Krillin? Invisible forcefield’s man.
Might as well post some feats while I can find them. Keep in mind that any feats for the rest of the four can be used to powerscale Kl’Rt.
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Sue’s Forcefield’s can contain a nuclear fallout, which appearantly would have been strong enough to kill Hulk, collossus, Hercules and Thor.
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Feat’s for speed and srength
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Strong enough to restrain Thor
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Taking on the Surfer
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So far I’m leaning on Frieza. Those are good feats, but Frieza still seems to have the speed and projectile advantage. Plus, Super-Skrull may be stronger, but from what I’ve seen, his durability isn’t all that (minus the shield).
Given how durable Frieza is, and how fast, I support him for now. So are we going with Final Form? Or standard? And does he get a scouter?
“Or standard?”
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Should technically start off in his first form. Unless specified otherwise.
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“And does he get a scouter?”
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Wouldn’t do any good, only a few characters have anything resembling Ki in Marvel.
Awesome! I love Super Skrull! Nice feats.
Also, durability is more than just toughness, and in this case, SS can provide toughness for himself using Richard’s, Sues, or Thing’s power. Yes, elasticity is a type of durability.
Kl’Rt in his first appearance, testing his powers.
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Just for lolz:
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Two questions.
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1. Is it SS’s character to form a force field inside of a living organism and crushing vital organs?
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2. Are Freiza’s organs durable enough to withstand this, if it is SS’s character to do this?
I take it SS can make himself invisible?
Wow, he can stretch more than 100 miles (528,000+)? And isn’t Reed’s stretch limit like 1,500 feet?
@Doughiest Treat:
“I take it SS can make himself invisible?”
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He has Sue’s abilities, so that’s very likely.
@proto mind
SS is described as having no sense of honor. he fought against his own poeple before and changed sides during mutiple invasions. but are his power enough to put down frieza? I don’t know.
@Proto-Mind
“Are Freiza’s organs durable enough to withstand this, if it is SS’s character to do this?”
Here’s the only three solid evidence of Freiza durability that i can remember:
50% Freiza: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izhp0lIjqCw
100% Freiza:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=sou7RJio1Rc
And Freiza last(power level unknown, but i guess it was less than his 1%):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qHknjfAMH4 (2:51 and further) Freiza only lost half of his face after that and after planet explosion.
So i just don’t know. But Goku last attack and planet explosion should attack not only Freiza skin, but his organs as well, because Freiza lost half of his body before that.
Freiza looks like he is on some major steroids in this picture. Were going to have to get some pre-match testing in place here or I am going to have to shut this whole thing down.
@Expert
lol
Super Skrull has an anti-matter bomb? That should be enough to end Freiza, if he makes contact.
For you see Freiza… I am not your regular Skrull. I have ascended beyond into legend! I… Am a Super Skrull!
@zolanius
you sir are a genius.
*bows* So who wants to try an “Over 9000″?
I mean I don’t really see how Kl’rt can finish Frieza. Sure, I like SS more, but Frieza is ruthless. Wouldn’t a simple death beam take care of the Skrull anyway?
Frieza vs. Thanos for the hand of Mistress Death. THAT would be a VERY interesting battle.
Thanos would curbstomp Freiza.
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As for the match, would SS count as FTL from his fight with the Surfer? If so, well, we know how FTL vs DBZ has worked in the past… Otherwise, I can see this going on for awhile until SS eventually implodes Freiza’s brain with Invisible Woman’s powers.
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My god, that Freiza pic is hideous…
@Rookie:
“So i just don’t know. But Goku last attack and planet explosion should attack not only Freiza skin, but his organs as well, because Freiza lost half of his body before that.”
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Well, I know about Freiza because I’ve watched DBZ up to the Freiza saga, but an explosion is made up of heat, radiation, and shock. None of these fall under the concept of crushing someone’s vital organs. Even if SS has no sense of honor, has SS ever tried crushing his anyone’s vital organs? I think Sue may have before. I don’t know.
“So are we going with Final Form?”
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Yep. Frieza starts off in final form for this one.
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“And does he get a scouter?”
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No, I don’t think it would help much anyways.
Official marvel site says skrull speed is a three marvel.com/universe/Super-Skrull which is not gonna stop frieza from speed blitzing him but on the other hand SS can use sue’s brain bubble on frieza since I don’t see him tanking that
Wait, isn’t Frieza telekinetic? Wouldn’t that prevent the use of mental force fields?
“Wait, isn’t Frieza telekinetic? Wouldn’t that prevent the use of mental force fields?”
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He has telekinetic abilities, but I don’t see how that would effect the forcefields. I don;t even see how Frieza would be aware of them, since they’re invisible and all.
Huh… Good point. He can’t even sense Ki and doesn’t have rapid regeneration. So would it come down to who can do what first? That Death Beam is insanely fast. As displayed when he killed Dende in slow motion.
“Well, I know about Freiza because I’ve watched DBZ up to the Freiza saga, but an explosion is made up of heat, radiation, and shock. None of these fall under the concept of crushing someone’s vital organs.”
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How do you think explosions kill people? Any proper explosion will absolutely liquefy a brain and damage internal organs.
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“I mean I don’t really see how Kl’rt can finish Frieza.”
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The antimatter bomb. It’s simple enough, really. It wouldn’t matter how durable Freiza is when the very matter that composes him is turned into energy.
Well, couldn’t Frieza just speed-blitz/kill Super Skrull before he could activate the bomb.
“Well, couldn’t Frieza just speed-blitz/kill Super Skrull before he could activate the bomb.”
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Well, the bomb is just something that he can create and throw. It isn’t exactly a device. That being said, I think you’re probably right. Unless anyone else wants to throw in an opinion…?
I’m still going with frieza speed blitzing with a barrage of death beams or fighting
Devilman can kill him supposedly.
@Laharl
To be fair if Devilman could hit them he could solo every single DBZ villain in existence. Too bad he’s far too slow to touch them and gets crushed in nanoseconds.
I’m calling a no-limits fallacy on Devil Man’s beam, we’ve never seen the beam working on a high power level user.(like…planet busting….)
Frieza: “I own you, I own your planet, I own this planet, in fact F&%^ this planet.” uses death ball and destroys planet after a very frustrating battle.
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If any one can get the refrence, I will give them a hug through cyberspace.
Imma deck you in the schnoz.
@Zolanius
HA!!! Hug for you.
Feeling the love.~ Did you see the joke I made earlier?
Yes, I dont think that applys thou.
@Zolanius
Sir, you have just gained my eternal respect for using that line from DBZA.
I said it with pride.
“So are you that Freezer guy?”
“Freezer” is actually my favorite character. Favorite line: “That’s stupid! You’re stupid! Stop being stupid!!!”
@Aeflinn:
“How do you think explosions kill people? Any proper explosion will absolutely liquefy a brain and damage internal organs.”
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While this is true when near the explosion of a nuclear weapon, fiction ignores this. Just look at Wolverine. His skeleton should be scattered, but for some reason, his skeleton remains intact.
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With respect to his brain, even after being vaporized, he somehow retains his memory, ignoring the fact that loss of brain cells and reproducing new brain cells doesn’t mean memory is retained.
“While this is true when near the explosion of a nuclear weapon, fiction ignores this. Just look at Wolverine. His skeleton should be scattered, but for some reason, his skeleton remains intact.”
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Adamantium is pretty much indestructible
@Chuck inglish:
“Adamantium is pretty much indestructible”
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Ligaments are not, however.
His ligaments are coated in adamantium too, they’re like like adamantium chains hence is why he can walk fine
When I asked for a match that was better than the one for last tuesday, this day surprised me and managed to live up to that, at the very least.
Its still flawed in some places, though.
@Chuck inglish:
“His ligaments are coated in adamantium too, they’re like like adamantium chains hence is why he can walk fine”
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Is that canon, or made up?
“Is that canon, or made up?”
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I’ve heard this claim in other threads. Although the Hulk was incapable of pulling him apart so…..
The thing with Wolverine having his memories still even with having his brain incinerated, could be explained with how he had been able to comeback from such insane damage. Which is essentially magic, of course I do believe he lost that gets to fight death for a chance to comeback from the dead thing.
“My god, that Freiza pic is hideous…”
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I second this.
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Super Skrull is cooler IMO. But I think Frieza wins this via speed and projectile spam.
@StealthRanger:
“I’ve heard this claim in other threads. Although the Hulk was incapable of pulling him apart so…..”
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I’d prefer canon, but that is neither here, nor there. This can be saved for some other discussion.
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@TopaztheSpaz:
“The thing with Wolverine having his memories still even with having his brain incinerated, could be explained with how he had been able to comeback from such insane damage. Which is essentially magic, of course I do believe he lost that gets to fight death for a chance to comeback from the dead thing.”
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It’s simply ignores reality and replaces it with some pseudo-scientific explanation. Ta-da!
So which side is more Over 9000 than the other?
SS doesn’t realy have a pwr lvl but it mite just be triple digits at the most.
901.
I’m leaning toward “freezer”. The reason? As many people have pointed out, he’s super fast, super strong, dead ray spammer and planet buster. But if someone have feat about ss form force field bubble inside people to kill them, I may change my mind.
Freiza has SS out matched in speed, power, and strength but since Freiza can’t sense energy he has to rely on his scouter so if SS destroys Freiza’s scouter then turns invisible he’ll annoy Freiza to the point where Freiza will destroy the planet and both of them will leave i dont know if SS can survive a planet explosion so my money is on Freiza
Well, consider that guy, yamcha or something (I don’t remember his name), can detect invisible people by listening to footsteps I don’t see how fieza can’t do the same (yamcha power level at that time is below 50, I believe)
So, is Frieza eligible for an FP award, or does this count as a stomp?
@Khazit
Thats a skill and technique that has nothing to do with power lvl. and since skrull will be flying that wont work.
but still Frieza stomps. so no award.
Oh well.
“So, is Frieza eligible for an FP award, or does this count as a stomp?”
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FP Awards are normally given in matches with a decent bit of debating. A 60-some comment match is barely noticeable.
Question, how fast is Freiza(Final Form)?
I just assumed he was high hyper sonic since he could literally go so fast that Vegeta, Gohan, and Picolo couldn’t keep track of him with their eye sights.
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Does anyone have a quantifiable speed for Freiza?
@Alpha or Omega
“Does anyone have a quantifiable speed for Freiza?”
I can only provide this for Goku speed(before Goku goes into super sayan state Freiza have alot more speed then him even with 50% of his power):
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I don’t know if this count.
And this:
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Well, even if it’s unquantifiable, the after Kid Goku-Before Dragon Ball Z Goku, seems like he’s high hyper-sonic anyways…Then again, I am assuming.
Goku during the Saiyan Saga traveled Snake Way in 2 days.
Snake Way is 1 million km which would make the feat 5787 m/s.
But Goku skipped a lot of it by flying straight through, so cutting this speed in half would be 2893 m/s
Cut by 1/3 would be 1929 m/s.
Mach 5 = 1,701.45 m/s so the lowest feat would be faster than Mach 5.
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Assuming Goku’s base speed didn’t change at all from the Saiyan Saga to Frieza Saga, Goku needed to go Kaio-ken X10 just to contend with 50% Frieza; 19,290 m/s, over Mach 56. A low end.
Frieza first form could be estimated to be a quarter of 50% Frieza since it is the first form of the fourth one: 4822.5 m/s or above Mach 14.
So at least Mach 14 is 1st Form Frieza at, right?
Let’s be glad we aren’t talking about if Frieza is to use a 5th form or we’d be boned, right?
@Tarbel
Yeah no Freiza is way faster then that. The snake way run was calculated to be Mach 30.
@Your Majesty
So 1st form Frieza would at least be Mach 30+, already? o.0′
@Cross
All I know is that Freiza 100% is somewhere in the Mach 300-500 range.
@Your Majesty
YIKES!!!!
Not even sure if Gilgamesh’s F/SN Avatar can fight something like that and have a shot of winning, your highness!
@ Proto
Sorry I meant he literally fights the angel of Death to comeback and apparently has just never lost.
@The King of Heroes
I’m doing the lowest estimates for speed.
But the Snake Way feat is not Mach 30, Goku cut a lot of corners, although probably not as much as half of Snake Way. I could get into debating the feat but that’s too much work so…you could give your evidence to convince me, otherwise it is only proven that Frieza is at around at least Mach 14 in his first form.
freezer could still win seeing as his power level is OVER NINE THOOOUUUSSSAAAAAAAAAAAAAND! X0
@Tarbel
How is flying cutting corners that’s how characters in the series move. Also seeing how First form Frezia is leagues above Saiyan saga Goku he is way more then Mach 14. The reason why it was calculated to be Mach 30 is because he traveled 1 million miles in about 24 hours.
@Your Majesty
Valid point is quite valid.
@Jhud
You’re right, we need to be OVER 9000!!!!!
@The King of Heroes
First of all, Snake Way is 1 million kilometers, not miles.
If you saw my first post of calculations, you would see that I used the longest period for which Goku could have travelled on Snake Way, which was 2 days.
As I said, Snake Way is 1 million kilometers, and it is seen to be all curvy and crap instead of just a straight line all the way to King Kai’s Planet. Goku flew straight through a lot of the curves, effectively cutting a lot of corners as seen here:
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That’s why I cut the speed in half. If Goku cuts corners, then he is skipping a lot of sections of the Snake Way, causing him to travel much less of a distance than 1 million kilometers. And as I had said, my calculations for the feat was of the lowest estimate. Goku may have traveled as little as 20 hours on Snake Way, which would make the speed feat over Mach 10, and Frieza’s first form speed over Mach 28.
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The Mach 30 speed calc only works if Goku was only running the entire length of Snake Way again.
To recalculate this feat:
1 Million km
24 hours
41,666.66 km in 1 hour
11.57 km in 1 second
Mach 34 = 11,569.86 m/s
But as I stated before, this speed calc is incorrect because Goku didn’t run the entire length and in fact skipped a bunch of corners. Added in with the fact that it is unknown at what time Goku began his way back, just that he arrived at 11:43 AM makes the feat further off.
@Tarbel
It’s still 1 million kilometers in length curved or not. He left the day before the Saiyans arrived and ended there 3 hours after they arrived. That’s 27 hours not 48 so it still stands that he’s moving faster then Mach 14.
@Your Majesty
Could Frieza duke it out with the Book of Darkness from the Nanoha-verse, if I had to ask?
Meantime, did any agreeable calcs come in there with Frieza’s regards, yet?
@Cross
To be fair using Saiyan Saga Goku is a terrible way to size up first form Freiza. By the time Goku came back in the Namek Saga he speed blitzed the Ginyu Force who was leagues above him during the Saiyan Saga. I mean really this is the most absurd way to power scale because they aren’t even anywhere near close in speed or power.
@Your Majesty
There’s many legitimate uses of Power-scaling, but this doesn’t sound like this is one of those, isn’t it?
P.S: For that matter, what’d say you on the odds of Frieza vs the Nanoha!-verse Book of Darkness?
You never read my posts fully do you.. I already said that Frieza’s first form moves faster than Mach 14, and that that was the lowest estimate. A more accurate estimate for his first form speed would have been much more than Mach 28, assuming Goku traveled Snakeway in 20 hours. Now since you say he traveled Snakeway in 27 hours, then through my calculations, Frieza’s first form speed would be 12,860 m/s or over Mach 37. Remember that I assumed that Goku’s speed hadn’t changed at all since the Saiyan saga, which is highly unlikely after the 100g training, so even this should still be considered a low estimate.
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Is it that hard to understand that if you skip corners, you are travelling a short distance?
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You see that picture of Snakeway? The length of Snakeway isn’t the distance from the start of Snakeway to the end of it at King Kai’s Planet. It is the entire curved length of Snakeway. If Goku flew through it in a straight line, he wouldn’t be travelling the horizontal distances, only the vertical ones. Thus he travels a shorter distance than 1 million kilometers in whatever amount of time he took.
Maybe you can understand that now.
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“you are travelling a shortER distance?” for the second part..
@Tarbel
There is no proof that the gaps between the curves don’t add tot he fact that it’s still 1 million kilometers long. Also I know that your assuming his speed didn’t change but we both no that’s not true so it’s still a terrible low end speed calculation. Even worst it doesn’t matter because Freiza’s in his Final Form so who cares how fast is First Form is.
Let’s see “don’t add to the fact that” and “know that’s not true so it’s still a” Why don’t we have an edit button yet?
@The King of Heroes
Snakeway is a bridge.
It’s stated that Snakeway is 1 million kilometers long.
This means the length of the bridge, Snakeway, is 1 million kilometers long.
Here is an example of Snakeway:
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This is Snakeway. It is 1 million kilometers. This includes the curves (logically..).
Let’s say this vertical distance:
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is = to 100,000 kilometers. So there are 5 of these, making it’s total distance 500,000 kilometers.
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And let’s say this horizontal distance:
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is = to 500,000 kilometers.
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Now Goku wishes to head back as soon as possible. So he takes the direct route, going straight through Snakeway instead of following each winding path of it.
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This means Goku SKIPS the vertical distances of Snakeway, or SKIPS 500,000 kilometers of Snakeway, by only taking the horizontal path as seen above. Hopefully, my diagrams came out as I made them. But really, is this that hard to understand? And don’t say the 1 million kilometers is the distance between King Kai and the start of Snakeway because it’s clearly the length of Snakeway. The wiki even says it is “a one million kilometer long (about 625,000 miles),[1] narrow, winding path”.
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“Also I know that your assuming his speed didn’t change but we both no that’s not true so it’s still a terrible low end speed calculation.”
I don’t know if that’s true or not. There is no proof of how much his speed changed. Yes, logically Goku must have gotten faster, but we don’t know by how much. Power levels are too inconsistent to use as accurate measures for changes in physical attributes.
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“Even worst it doesn’t matter because Freiza’s in his Final Form so who cares how fast is First Form is.”
Why is Frieza in his final form? That’s like saying Goku starts his fights as SSJ 3. Unlike Cell, Frieza can will his transformations, so he can revert back to his lower forms to conserve energy. Frieza has been in his first form for most of his life and rarely changes to Final form.
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
i have failed…
@Tarbel
Actually no once Freiza Transforms there is no turning back. That and current Freiza is Cyborg Freiza so he would still be in his Final Form. Also there is clearly large gap in speed seeing how Vegeta could barely track Goku and Power Levels directly effects speed and such.
I asked earlier and the suggestor said he starts at final form. Post 27.
And Freiza has stated that he’s hiding his power with transformations. Even states that he’s been in these forms before. Otherwise, how would he even know that he could transform? So if he really wanted, he could probably revert back. This point is null though since the suggester stated final form and there is no reason to revert anyways.
@Zolanius
It seems like with Freezia once the form is released he can’t revert seeing how when he thought Goku was dead he only went back down to his Final Form 1% instead of his first form.
Perhaps it’d take too long? Took time to change forms before (while the protagonists stare. Really?) so it might take longer to actually grow mass. Too bad his race and anatomy were never touched on. Either way, the way he talks leads me to believe that he could.
Why do we call Freiza’s Final Form that when it’s his true form? I mean it would help clarify things.
Because technically, its the final form we see him in? *shrugs*