Suggested by Sauroposeidon
Edward’s location has been revealed to Abraham Lincoln, who is tasked with removing yet another vampire from this world.
He brings with him his ax and a knife.
Edward Cullen (Twilight) is alone in a cabin in the woods.
Can America’s greatest president add another kill to the list, or does Edward survive the night?
Sadly I fear that Lincoln is the same caliber of vampire hunter that Van Helsing is. Which saddens me to say but Edward probably wins
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Does Lincoln have anything special going for him or is he more or less regular vampire hunter who happens to be a president.
Hopefully, it’ll be better than yesterday’s admitted shot in the foot on my part, that’s for sure.
Although if lack of imagery weren’t an issue, Lincoln should be buddied with Tavi from Codex Alera, or even Shiki Nanaya from the Nasuverse, for that matter.
As much as I hate to say it… Edward wins
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Old One Eye crushes them both though
Why does One Eye keep being brought up?
Honest Abe is a skilled blind fighter, and extremely durable and powerful after learning the art of vampire hunter. He’s able to do things like literally being crushed under a horse that has been thrown at him and get up like it was just a lucky punch. His ax is equipped with a single shot gun armed with a silver round, a silver edged bayonet, and a silver edged ax head. After his training he is powerful enough to do things like shatter an oak tree’s trunk with a single blow. He specializes in defensive fighting, bringing in targets who are far faster and stronger than him and then delivering the decisive blow. His favored strike area is the head/face/neck area.
Lincoln pwns for America.
“Lincoln pwns for America.”
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I love those pictures. There are ones of Teddy Roosevelt killing bigfoot, and George Washington killing zombies as well.
I’m not sure; Abe’s fighting style provides a pretty good defense along with offense. In his universe (the movie’s) Vampire can turn invisible and move extremely quickly, but he can ususally kill large groups of them.
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He was able to fell a decently thick tree with one major strikes (he had some half hearted ones that did nothing), and by fell he pretty well exploded it, so I think he may actually have the strength to do some damage.
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Then again, sparklepires move stupidly fast, so no guarantee there. Plus, Abe’s used to vampire’s having a crippling weakness to silver.
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@Stealth
Seriously, knock it off.
This is out yet? I know nothing of either, so I can’t add anything (yet.)
Edward somehow pickes up Lincoln’s scent from outside despite being inside the cabin. Quickly sneaks out a window and hides in a nearby tree. Lincoln gets close.
Shoots tree.
And gets ********** by sparkles until he dies ….
Twamps aren’t exactly overly durable, if he focuses on luring his opponent in and mutilating the head that should be enough. A tree exploding blow should do some fucking up on Edwards face.
Twamps aren’t overly durable? I thought they are described to be as hard – harder than granite.
And bullets don’t work against them which is one of the reasons why they don’t use guns.
Not to mention Cullen is the fastest(?) vampire and can read minds(?i think).
I thought only the crazy bitch could read minds… Oh well, if abe’s able to take out armies of vamps, I can’t see why he can’t take out a sparklepire
“Why does One Eye keep being brought up?”
Just ignore Stealth, he’s just riding the pole of his newest character obsession. Skarrbrand, Dark Schnider, Megatron, and now One Eye. It’s an easily noticable pattern lol.
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Anyway, what all did Lincoln do in that movie?
Lincoln just because hes awesome
“Old One Eye crushes them both though”
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This seems completely unnecessary.
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On topic, I’m thinking Edward stomps, though I’m just going from trailers, having not seen the movie.
Obviously Edward wins. Did we not see the baseball scene from the first Twilight? The scene where they hit the ball so hard it creates sonic booms thus why they can only play ball during thunder storms? The scene where the lady vamp hit the ball and sent it flying at the very least 3x the baseball field they were playing at?
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Lets say the ball park was high school regulation size. That 420 feet down the middle. Now lets give a low number and say she hit that ball 3x the size of the field even though she likely smacked it further due to how deep in the forest it was when it landed. That’s 1260ft Edward cleared to get to the ball, pick it up, and throw it with enough force to reach home plate before the lady vamp managed to get there which was only 360ft. Not sure how fast that is but its way beyond 100mph.
Not to mention Edward can you know read minds.
The feats would be more useful if they actually applied that in combat, Redrum. You’ll have to do better than them playing sports. Your average martial artist can be slower, smaller, and weaker than your NFL player and the martial artist will still win. Can you provide any instance of Edward doing something in the movies in combat which would be effective in this match? Otherwise about all he’s going to do is make the sound of a crack of thunder right as he gets his face smashed via running in to an axe.
“The feats would be more useful if they actually applied that in combat, Redrum. You’ll have to do better than them playing sports. Your average martial artist can be slower, smaller, and weaker than your NFL player and the martial artist will still win. Can you provide any instance of Edward doing something in the movies in combat which would be effective in this match? Otherwise about all he’s going to do is make the sound of a crack of thunder right as he gets his face smashed via running in to an axe.”
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This makes no sense. Abraham Lincoln is no martial artist. He’s just a man with an axe. When your opponent is triple digits faster then you, strong enough to crush granite and cut through it with their finger nails, and read your mind, and himself being as hard as stone and in the off chance you do remove limbs they can put them back on it gets kind of difficult to win.
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In this scene Edward pushes down a tree and throws a bitch and catches her midflight
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFnaEcRwziw&feature=related&noredirect=1
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Here Edward stops a speeding van from across the parking lot.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOcDlSWOZ54
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Here’s the baseball scene for reference
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jfg3BcW-w4E
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Alike feats for President Lincoln.
Also not to mention once again Eddie can read minds thus will know what President Lincoln plans to do before he does it.
Redrum may I just note how strange it is you have links to Twilight videos ready
“Redrum may I just note how strange it is you have links to Twilight videos ready”
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May I note that is as simple as googling twilight scenes and then click on youtube which is located right next to the google play tab.
” He’s just a man with an axe. When your opponent is triple digits faster then you”
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How fast is Edward? Is he supersonic?
“This makes no sense. Abraham Lincoln is no martial artist. ”
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I think the point Sauro meant to make was physical superiority doesn’t necessarily equate to a win in a match.
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Granted, I don’t know if Lincoln can pull this off until feats are brought in.
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“Redrum may I just note how strange it is you have links to Twilight videos ready”
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Doesn’t take long to YT a video or something if you saw the movie.
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Cullen wins this until Honest Abe gets some representation here.
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Fun pic for the occasion; takeshiyoung.tumblr.com/
Abraham Lincoln. What can I say about him that hasn’t already been said? He has the training, strength, agility, and durability to kill vampires. Edward isn’t that different than the vampires in Lincoln’s universe, except for the sparkling and the mind reading. Unless there is more to him. I don’t care though, Lincoln beheads Edward with a tree exploding swipe of his axe.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqbjdU-Jzdk
At 1:17 The Tree chop is shown.
The trailer also has various feats of his speed.
“How fast is Edward? Is he supersonic?”
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Most people say Twilight Vamps move at 100mph. That means that lady vamp technically cleared the bases in 2.3 seconds. Edward had to clear 840ft at the low end 1260ft at the mid end, and 1800ft the high end to get to that ball and throw it within 2.3 seconds.
“Most people say Twilight Vamps move at 100mph.”
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Lol that means they’re faster than vampire hunter D
“This makes no sense. Abraham Lincoln is no martial artist. He’s just a man with an axe. ”
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He technically is a martial artist, although his art is the axe, as opposed to the open hand.
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“When your opponent is triple digits faster then you,”
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Even if Edward were DBZ levels of invisible fast, Abraham is a practiced blind fighter, and doesn’t need to be able to see his enemy to predict what they’re doing, although he does have tricks to make the target visible.
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“strong enough to crush granite and cut through it with their finger nails, ”
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Abe’s vampires weren’t super powerful now?
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” and read your mind, ”
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Do we have a clip of Edward doing this?
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“and himself being as hard as stone ”
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He shattered a tree. I think this qualifies as being strong enough to hurt Edward. I already brought this up. Your follow up of alike feats comes off as whining. You’re officially defeated at this point.
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“Also not to mention once again Eddie can read minds thus will know what President Lincoln plans to do before he does it.”
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It’s difficult to react to reflexive movements, which in hand to hand combat is what most fighting is when a fight gets rather fierce.
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“In this scene Edward pushes down a tree and throws a bitch and catches her midflight
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFnaEcRwziw&feature=related&noredirect=1
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Here Edward stops a speeding van from across the parking lot.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOcDlSWOZ54”
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Have you not see Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter yet? Because if you had, I don’t think these videos would have qualified as presentable to you. His combat speed isn’t up to par to make him leaps and bounds above the vampires that Abe takes on, or even superior to a couple of them. Edward’s biggest bonus here is that he isn’t possessed of a silver vulnerability, while the vampires Abe fights will just come back if silver isn’t used to kill them.
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“www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqbjdU-Jzdk
At 1:17 The Tree chop is shown.
The trailer also has various feats of his speed.”
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Well, it’s a start, since it seems people who haven’t seen the movie yet feel they need to say Edward wins.
^It gets better than that actually. The ball had quite a head start on Edward, it was already well inside the tree line before he even started moving. Eddy starts running when the chick is halfway to first base and catches it while she’s halfway to third base. He’d be around the speed of sound using a 100mph calculation. Moreover the fact that he caught a supersonic ball that had a substantial head start on him already tells us that.The book says vampires are faster than 100 mph but that seems to be quite an understatement. Of course, Edward IS faster than most.
@Sauroposeidon
The movie hasn’t been out that long. Once it hits DVD, or is out long enough, more detailed feats of Lincoln can be found on Youtube.
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Is there anyone here that’s read the book Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter? Maybe there are more feats there that might help.
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Another thing, Lincoln absolutely hates vampires. He’ll stop at nothing to kill them.
“Even if Edward were DBZ levels of invisible fast, Abraham is a practiced blind fighter, and doesn’t need to be able to see his enemy to predict what they’re doing, although he does have tricks to make the target visible.”
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Since when did invisibility equate to speed?
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“Abe’s vampires weren’t super powerful now?”
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Show us a clip of them crushing solid stone.
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“Do we have a clip of Edward doing this?”
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He read the ladies mind in the clip where he killed her. You obviously didn’t click the links and listen to the dialogue. Edward can read minds. That’s been an established fact since the first movie. Only person who’s mind he can’t read is Belle’s.
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“It’s difficult to react to reflexive movements, which in hand to hand combat is what most fighting is when a fight gets rather fierce.”
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You still haven’t proven Abe is fast enough to hit him.
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“Have you not see Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter yet? Because if you had, I don’t think these videos would have qualified as presentable to you. His combat speed isn’t up to par to make him leaps and bounds above the vampires that Abe takes on, or even superior to a couple of them. Edward’s biggest bonus here is that he isn’t possessed of a silver vulnerability, while the vampires Abe fights will just come back if silver isn’t used to kill them.”
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Prove it. Post clips from the movie that suggest that Abe’s vamps are on par speed wise to Edward since the only clip posted does not show speed feats or any feat worth anything except the tree feat.
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By the way trees are not harder then stone. Show us Abe smashing through something the equivalent of solid granite.
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“^It gets better than that actually. The ball had quite a head start on Edward, it was already well inside the tree line before he even started moving. Eddy starts running when the chick is halfway to first base and catches it while she’s halfway to third base. He’d be around the speed of sound using a 100mph calculation. Moreover the fact that he caught a supersonic ball that had a substantial head start on him already tells us that.The book says vampires are faster than 100 mph but that seems to be quite an understatement. Of course, Edward IS faster than most.”
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That makes sense. Obviously due to the sonic boom the balls broke the sound barrier. Yet they were fast enough to react to and catch the balls in midair.
“Since when did invisibility equate to speed?”
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He is saying that at a certain point an object goes so fast that they cannot be seen with the naked eye.
“Show us a clip of them crushing solid stone.”
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Obvious troll is obvious.
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“Since when did invisibility equate to speed?”
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Your response does strongly imply you didn’t properly read my post.
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“You still haven’t proven Abe is fast enough to hit him.”
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You’ve never shown that they’re too fast to land a blow on. They heat each other at average speeds all the time.
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“He read the ladies mind in the clip where he killed her. You obviously didn’t click the links and listen to the dialogue. ”
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I had it muted, you never said he read minds or I’d have raised the volume. I didn’t want to broadcast that I was watching a twilight video.
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“Prove it. Post clips from the movie that suggest that Abe’s vamps are on par speed wise to Edward since the only clip posted does not show speed feats or any feat worth anything except the tree feat.”
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Obvious troll statement is once again obvious. Worse yet, you’re claiming I’m out right lying, even after you’ve had the claims confirmed by another who’s seen the movie. You know we can’t post clips from the movie (legally, anyways). So what we have here, ladies and gentlemen, is a complete and total fool who wants to argue against something which he knows nothing about, in subjects where he doesn’t understand the science, and use feats which are unusable at best, and PiS at worst while ignoring the actual fight scenes. So you basically have no ammunition. You don’t know anything about what you want to shoot at anyways.. and you are going to try and shoot it anyways.
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“By the way trees are not harder then stone. Show us Abe smashing through something the equivalent of solid granite.”
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Your understanding of physics is ridiculously poor at this point. Please stop. It’s literally painful to read statements like that.
“The movie hasn’t been out that long. Once it hits DVD, or is out long enough, more detailed feats of Lincoln can be found on Youtube.
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Is there anyone here that’s read the book Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter? Maybe there are more feats there that might help.
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Another thing, Lincoln absolutely hates vampires. He’ll stop at nothing to kill them.”
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True, but I didn’t expect people who don’t know anything at all to actually try to argue, and then ask for what they know is impossible to be given when they don’t want to go educate their own asses on the subject matter. It seems that since everyone who has the seen the movie at this point is saying Abraham wins, I think we’re about to the point where a vote can actually begin.
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As for the books, I intended to only use movie versions of the two characters.
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His hatred I imagine would be a helpful factor. Although if you remember it’s not hate which gives him power, the scene where he hits the tree hard enough to shatter the trunk, and cause the entire tree to lift up in to the air (which is superior than edward needing a moment of his full strength just to eventually push over a tree, redrum), pretty clearly displayed this fact.
“Obvious troll is obvious.”
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aka you have no evidence
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“You’ve never shown that they’re too fast to land a blow on. They heat each other at average speeds all the time.”
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w00t and myself have already proven how fast he is. You have not even shown how fast Abe is. Besides that you are stupid enough to suggest because Twilight vamps can fight other Twilight vamps that Abe can fight said Twilight vamps.
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“Obvious troll statement is once again obvious. Worse yet, you’re claiming I’m out right lying, even after you’ve had the claims confirmed by another who’s seen the movie.”
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No.
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“You know we can’t post clips from the movie (legally, anyways). ”
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Yet Youtube is full of clips and full movies yet you cannot produce a clip that proves what you say thus I just have to take your word for it. Fuck out of here.
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Rest of your post is bullshit. You’re a troll who never produces evidence in any debate I’ve seen you in. You just resort to insults and bullshit. Thus your word is not to be taken seriously.
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Anyone else wishes to debate this with me with actual evidence or can we just call Edward the winner now.
@ReDruM
“Yet Youtube is full of clips and full movies yet you cannot produce a clip that proves what you say thus I just have to take your word for it. Fuck out of here.”
The movies is still being shown in theaters.
And, have you read any of my posts? How about comment #27 of this thread where I posted the video that shows the Tree Chop feat, like you asked, and more, all the while it being a trailer for the movie.
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@Sauroposeidon
“As for the books, I intended to only use movie versions of the two characters.”
Ok, well, we’ll only need the movie version.
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” His hatred I imagine would be a helpful factor. Although if you remember it’s not hate which gives him power, the scene where he hits the tree hard enough to shatter the trunk, and cause the entire tree to lift up in to the air (which is superior than edward needing a moment of his full strength just to eventually push over a tree, redrum), pretty clearly displayed this fact.”
Yes. I mainly commented on his hatred because it’s his drive to kill the vampires, among other things.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7rEvIfSLPc
The full scene of the tree chop.
“w00t and myself have already proven how fast he is. You have not even shown how fast Abe is. Besides that you are stupid enough to suggest because Twilight vamps can fight other Twilight vamps that Abe can fight said Twilight vamps.”
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Allow me to break down your rampant stupidity for you.
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A. It doesn’t matter how fast he runs.
B. His combat speeds are never depicted as too fast for a human to keep up with. At least not in the scenes you’ve shown us.
C. The other vamps must be moving at super human speeds before their movements can be claimed as being beyond Abe’s allowance, if we’re assuming Abe never moves at super human speeds himself.
D. You now must present evidence that the fight scene you provided is not Edward fighting anywhere near full capacity, and that he was intentionally moving slower than he otherwise might in a full on fight, and that he would also not fight at these speeds when fighting Abe.
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“No.”
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Yes, you are claiming I am a liar when I give statements that put Abe on a level able to kill Edward and your response is LITERALLY “clips or it didn’t happen.”
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“Yet Youtube is full of clips and full movies yet you cannot produce a clip that proves what you say thus I just have to take your word for it. Fuck out of here.”
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Yes, you have to take the word of someone who’s seen the movie when you have not. Oh fucking no. Youtube is not going to have full clips of fight scenes from a movie still out in theaters, and you’re a full blown idiot for thinking I could find those, post them, and expect them not to be taken down and render the links useless with in a short period of time. You realize companies prowl youtube to protect their properties, right?
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“Rest of your post is bullshit. You’re a troll who never produces evidence in any debate I’ve seen you in. You just resort to insults and bullshit. Thus your word is not to be taken seriously.”
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Expecting people to understand how things work and then not wanting to bother with them is not resorting to insults and refusing to post evidence. It’s being fed up with a guy who wants to run his mouth when he knows ABSOLUTELY ZERO about what he’s arguing against. The entire point of my post is that right there. Your entire argument is “I am making assumptions and refuse to go see the movie and will claim you’re bullshitting when you don’t want to go pirate the movie for me.”
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You want evidence? It takes more energy to do what Abe did to that tree than it did Edward to do what he did to his tree. It takes more energy for Abe to do what he did that tree than it would to crack through granite the width of Edward’s neck or the size of his face. That’s physics, cold hard simple physics for you. I don’t know in what world shattering a tree trunk and causing the entire tree to be lifted up some in to the air takes less energy than bashing through a little bit of granite.
“Obvious troll is obvious.”
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How is that trolling?
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“Obvious troll statement is once again obvious. Worse yet, you’re claiming I’m out right lying, even after you’ve had the claims confirmed by another who’s seen the movie”
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I don’t see how that’s trolling either when tangible proof is just being asked for by the opposite side. He clearly hasn’t seen the movie but is knowledgeable on Edward, you clearly have seen the movie and are knowledgeable on Abe. Since when do we do debates just based on claims?
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“You don’t know anything about what you want to shoot at anyways.. and you are going to try and shoot it anyways.”
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He showed proof for Edward, I didn’t see any for Lincoln besides what Rorschach posted and that was only skill and a strength feat.
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“It seems that since everyone who has the seen the movie at this point is saying Abraham wins”
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“Only you and Rorschach voted Lincoln so far. Not sure if Tarbel’s post counted beyond what we all want to see.
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“Anyone else wishes to debate this with me with actual evidence or can we just call Edward the winner now.”
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Ed only wins so far because we have yet to see Lincoln feats, I’d say we leave this alone until they arrive.
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“Is there anyone here that’s read the book Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter? Maybe there are more feats there that might help.”
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It was a book?
“How is that trolling?”
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Asking for me to grab clips from a movie still in theaters he knows is ridiculous, and if he’s followed me as he claims then he knows I very, very rarely provide pirated material. I’ve only provided a full movie link once.
“Asking for me to grab clips from a movie still in theaters he knows is ridiculous, and if he’s followed me as he claims then he knows I very, very rarely provide pirated material. I’ve only provided a full movie link once.”
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I understand that it’d be hard but perhaps this match just ended up being pre-mature in it’s posting or at least that’s how I see it because the movie is not out yet to allow us to YT some clips or whatever.
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Maybe change it to book feats before we reach 50 posts to allow a possibly easier match to get quotes and stuff for in case we got a Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter reader among us? I know we at least have one Twilight reader.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtgi55Yz-rE
At 0:11, A speed feat for Lincoln.
At 0:27, there is another feat of his resourcefulness, and his speed.
At 0:40, you see more combat with him and a vampire.
At 1:05 you see him shooting the axe-gun.
At 1:32 you see him begin to fight 20 vampires. Spoiler alert, he kills them all.
And from 1:32 on to 1:41 you see a quick compilation of various vampire kills he had.
“I understand that it’d be hard but perhaps this match just ended up being pre-mature in it’s posting or at least that’s how I see it because the movie is not out yet to allow us to YT some clips or whatever.”
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It’s not premature, it’s just being harrassed by a guy who hasn’t seen it and insists one side wins because he won’t go see it.
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“Maybe change it to book feats before we reach 50 posts to allow a possibly easier match to get quotes and stuff for in case we got a Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter reader among us? I know we at least have one Twilight reader.”
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I’ve never read the books. Which is why I went with movie versions only.
@Soldier’s Shadow
“Maybe change it to book feats before we reach 50 posts to allow a possibly easier match to get quotes and stuff for in case we got a Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter reader among us? I know we at least have one Twilight reader.”
That’s what I was thinking. While I can find various feats of Lincoln in the trailers, the only full scene I found was the tree chop one.
“At 0:11, A speed feat for Lincoln.”
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That just proves Sauro’s blind fighting feat, not necessarily speed as the vamp didn’t appear to be moving that fast.
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“At 0:27, there is another feat of his resourcefulness, and his speed.”
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There was no speed in that whole trailer.
“That just proves Sauro’s blind fighting feat, not necessarily speed as the vamp didn’t appear to be moving that fast. ”
Sorry about that. I was merely noting on how fast he killed the vampire. Same with the one at 0:27.
I’m afraid Edward wins, Twampires are ridiculously durable, and even if Lincoln manages to blow off Edward’s head or anything, Edward would still be “alive” seeing how you gotta completely incinerate the body, or else the vampires re-build themselves (it was one of the Quiliete chieftains had a piece of a vampire around his neck, so he could know if she would re-assemble herself).
Not to mention, they are also ridiculously strong, like Edward stopping a speeding van with just one hand, or them fighting grizzly bears “just cause”.
Ah.
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To clarify, Abe can use his axe similarly to a baton twirler, at a very high speed and range of motion. When he’s swinging fast, the axe can cover a very wide area, allowing him to fight multiple enemies at once even if his main focus is on a specific individual. The swings are almost improvised in execution, making mind reading abilities less useful as against many other combatants.
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He’s very strong, and fairly quick; while chasing the Vamp that killed his mother, he was caught in the middle of a stampede of horses, and he was able to run and jump across their backs while keeping his balance and fending off attacks from the Vampire. Multiple times he fell off, and was able to avoid being plowed over by the stampeding horses. He also has a high level of durability from when the Vampire throws a horse at him, which lands on Abe, who is unfazed and continues to fight.
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From fighting the vampires (which again can turn invisible) he’s developed excellent reflexes that allow him to dodge sudden attacks from multiple sides. Having one opponent to focus on will help him.
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He also, as Sauro mentioned, has outfitted his Axe to function as a shotgun.
If I remember correctly, the Van feat didn’t involve the vehicle speeding, but in the process of braking. Correct me if I’m wrong though.
@Gluttonous-Behemoth
ReDruM supposedly wants clips of said scenes, when in reality it is hard to find anything other than the trailers that tease at those scenes. At least I found the tree chop scene… Anyway, I’m sure that will help others who have not seen the movie.
Well ReDrum needs to unwad his bloomers and realize it takes time for people to get clips up.
“Well ReDrum needs to unwad his bloomers and realize it takes time for people to get clips up.”
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Hence why I think this match’s weakness was it’s premature post date.
I can agree with that point. I myself am uncertain at the moment who wins this.
To be fair, Lincoln vs Ed Cullen isn’t the only match guilty of being premature for its time, even I used to make hazardous mistakes in regards to match suggestion mistimes as well. T_T’
*Puts finger to lips*
Shhhhhhhhh. No lamenting. Now, if you have points available for the task at hand, we’d all appreciate them.
@Master Sarge
Fair enough.
So far at the moment, while I’m rooting for Lincoln in here, this looks like this is gonna take a while, so there goes the neighborhood anyway.
I’m inclined to go with Edward on this one, however much it pains me. In order for Abe to really damage Ed, he has to use his tree-busting attack. Unfortunately for Abe, that’s a slow-ass attack that also opens him up for a counter. On top of that, Ed has no weakness to silver. Any swing of Abe’s that can be delivered with the necessary speed won’t do diddly to Ed. Ed could just shrug it off and then go in for the kill.
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“Old One Eye crushes them both though”
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Galactus beats OOE.
“Galactus beats OOE.”
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MASTER CHIEF SOLOS!!! SPLAZOR!!!1!12!!
@Councilor Aelfinn
I’d state how the Ideon or the Gurren Lagann would deadlock Galactus, but that would be redundant of me and is better saved for its own match, alright?
Which I ought to plan out at some point and add the Megas XLR to the mix, for good measure while I’m at it.
@Soldier’s Shadow
Didn’t I made it quite clear Chief has better odds soloing if he were dual-wielding Scarab Guns?
Or do I have to point out how Pyramid Head stalemates Master Chief, too?
:I
Does the book differ from the movie? If not, didn’t Abraham in current incarnation lose his quick reflexes due to the stress of being president and becoming old?
Far as I could tell, he was just as strong and quick as when he was younger. From what I hear, the book and movie differ immensely.
Lincoln chopping the tree in half is quite a powerful feat. But it still definitely does NOT equate to pushing a living, larger tree over.
-First of all, Lincoln used an axe, a sharp one at that, with a long handle.
-Second, Lincoln used momentum in his strike as well which would greatly increase the power in the strike. Edward on the other hand had no momentum in his feat, only acceleration to force the tree to break and fall over.
-Third, he swung at the tree several times already with increasing anger. It’s completely unknown whether or not those swings did anything or not. It’s possible that they may have cracked the insides of the tree. It’s possible that they may have just broken the outside bark and barely scratched the inside. The video of the final explosive hit showed barely any damage done on the outside of the tree, but you can’t tell what happened within..
-Fourth, swinging an axe combines both the obliques, arms, and some leg (when pivoting) which raises both momentum and force of the swing (length and weight of the axe multiplies this). Cullen had only the force of his arms, some abs, and leg strength just to counter pushing over a tree.He received no starting momentum and had to proceed to accelerate with resistance which is way harder.
-Fifth, the explosive lifting of the tree as the axe chopped through it was caused by the speed at which the axe chopped through and the wedge like shape of the axe which pushes the tree up. .This shows that the hit should have been rather fast when it hit through the tree. That means the hit isn’t SLOW but the extra range of motion needed doesn’t let it be too fast either. Cullen could probably dodge it since he can move around 100 mph.
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Here is the wiki for Twilight vampire attributes.
twilightsaga.wikia.com/wiki/Vampire#Physical_appearance
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Not saying it is a reliable source, but it is a source.
“They are able to run in excess of a hundred miles per hour, substantially faster than the human eye can see. ”
“A vampire is said to be thousands of times stronger than any human, able to lift objects hundreds of times their own weight. ”
“She describes the power in his one arm to be about the same as a cement truck moving downhill at over 60 miles per hour.(as newborn and may be exceptionally powerful)”
” Edward was able to leap over a 50 yard wide river with ease during Bella’s first hunt as a vampire, while Bella was able to leap over twice his distance, while only using slightly over half of her full force.”
“A vampire’s senses (smell, sight, hearing, etc.) are also greatly enhanced, which enables them to see, hear and smell things imperceptible to humans. While running, a vampire can see and sense everything that is around them, making him able to keep tabs of their surroundings and avoid hitting anything unnecessarily. Their sense of sight exceeds by far that of a hawk.”
“They can hear sounds coming from several miles away, and even with their eyes closed, they can be sure that there are multiple people in a room thanks to their varied breathing patterns. They can hear the sound of a heartbeat, a pulse thudding in a vein, and words spoken too quietly or too fast for humans to detect.”
“Their enhanced vision allows them to see the smallest details, and extends into the ultraviolet region of the light spectrum.”
“Vampires, although essentially immortal and indestructible, can be killed. Even a human could accomplish it under the right circumstances – venom and venom-based fluids are very flammable. However, humans are unable to compete with vampires in strength and speed, therefore they are unlikely to succeed. If a human were to succeed in lighting a vampire on fire , the vampire could simply take a quick high-speed bound to put it out. This is why it is necessary to rip a vampire’s body to pieces before incinerating them into ashes, to prevent them from putting out the fire before it can do serious damage. This is the only known way to kill a vampire.”
The movie let’s the vampires die from beheading.
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“Vampires in the Twilight universe are hard to destroy, as they are not harmed or deterred in any way by sunlight, holy water, running water, garlic, stakes, or crosses.
-Their bodies and skin are made of a material that is as hard as diamond (if not harder), to humans it is impenetrable.
-They are much stronger than most other vampires in fiction. Some are strong enough to stop a cement truck on a freeway with one hand.
-They sparkle like diamonds in the sunlight.
-They are reflected by mirrors and show up in photographs.
-They have no need for coffins; they do not sleep.
-They are not theriomorphic – meaning, they cannot transform their bodies.
-They do not have two fangs as all of their teeth are incredibly sharp and strong – strong enough to easily chew through steel, or their diamond hard skin.
-A vampire society has developed, with a conduct code that provides them with a greater chance of survival than if they were alone.”
I am doubting Edward is as fast as real life lightning, though, last time I checked.
I checked 5 times over, at that!
Pffft. Who would believe Edward is around 300,000,000 kmph.
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On topic…
It’s also important to note that Lincoln never displays this type of strength again,
I believe.
“300,000,000 kmph.”
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How fast is that?
@redrum
A certain somebody has a little passion for twilight. Twihard much??
I’ve actually read the book.Shame the movie differed so much,there was a lot of good stuff in it.For example Abe actually starts a gang of vampire hunters,and even meets Edgar Allen Poe,who believes in vampires himself.Again,shame that were not using book lincoln it would put him on almost par with Ed.I won’t spoil the ending,however since we’re not using the book version.
@Tarbel
“living, larger tree over.”
Lincoln chopped through a tree more than a foot across.
“-First of all, Lincoln used an axe, a sharp one at that, with a long handle.”
Yes. His weapon of choice. How else would he chop the tree?
“-Second, Lincoln used momentum in his strike as well which would greatly increase the power in the strike.”
Sure the momentum would add to his strike, but, as you can see the power between his tree chop swing and the previous drastically changes.
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“-Third, he swung at the tree several times already with increasing anger.”
If you listened to the point of the video, it was that real power comes from truth. Either way, there was no significance between the damage done to the tree with the first several swings before the tree chop.
“It’s completely unknown whether or not those swings did anything or not.”
You can see that the swings leave dents in the bark of the tree.
“This shows that the hit should have been rather fast when it hit through the tree. ”
Seriously? It’s called slo-mo. Slow Motion. The movie is riddled with it.
@Fawkes(AKA Namesake named after the holy bird of the same name!)
Its great to see you in here again! ^_^’
So in any rate, you suspect that this might take a while, as well?
@Fawkes
“starts a gang of vampire hunters,and even meets Edgar Allen Poe,who believes in vampires himself.”
Really? Wow. Maybe we should switch…
@Commander Yes,I really enjoyed the movie,and the book,but i’m not that great at debating.It may I admit at first glance Ed takes it,but from what i’ve seen of Abe,and read he is quite an able fighter against man,and vampire.In the book,I believe he actually gets into a fight with the leader of the gang,he eventually leads.
@Rorschach They also left out the part of him going into a deep depression from the loss of his wife,and son,where he almost killed himself.Although,they did change the ending of the movie,from the ending of the book,which really disappointed me.
@Fawkes
I might give the novel a read at some point, 1st I gotta try to read the 1st Codex Alera novel, Furies of Calderon already so I can see if they have the Wolfmen of Canim in there.
Yes, Lincoln is Badass!
@Fawkes
Hm, Well, I felt they did a great job with such an awesomely ridiculous idea. I Will have to read the book sometime. Anyway, I’m hopeful that when more clips get put on YouTube, there will be more feats to show. If we stick with the movie version.
it isnt even established in the scenerio whih version were using and going by factpile rules we use the primary source which is the novel from which the movie is based off of.
@Rorschach They did,I enjoyed the movie quite a bit,even if they left out a lot from the book.A quick question,how old is lincoln in this fight,is it his younger self,or the older president self?
Sauro said movie versions on post 36.
@ Alpha or Omega
“Sauro said movie versions on post 36.”
Sauro wasn’t specific as to which version of Lincoln is being used: The Old Lincoln or the Young Lincoln.
“I am doubting Edward is as fast as real life lightning, though, last time I checked.
I checked 5 times over, at that!”
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Who the hell suggested he was? To answer Chuck, 300 million KILOmeters ph is 1000 times faster than light. Real lightning is max 150 million regular meters per hour, and usually slower.
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“A certain somebody has a little passion for twilight. Twihard much??”
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No, someone is free of bias and arguing for who he believes WOULD win instead of who he believes SHOULD win. I’m with Edward too, he’s supersonic in speed, stronger than most Marvel Asgardians, can read minds, has diamond hard skin and can reattach limbs if they’re not burned, and sees and smells for miles. He can simply use his senses to stalk Abe from a mile away and then run up to him at a sprint and decapitate him. There won’t be any warning he’s coming; his fist will reach Abe before any sound waves do.
“Can America’s greatest president add another kill to the list, or does Edward survive the night?”
….. Which sometimes keep me up at night 
) It’s this.
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If spacebattles has taught me anything(and it has a lot
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Standard tactic for a twilight-vampire a in a Vs #2 – Superspeed + never needing to rest + mind reading + being immortal = they can just run the fuck away, and wait for their opponent to die of old age.
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Edward can not only “survive the night”, he can be out of the cabin and miles away before Lincoln knows he’s in it, by dawn he’d be at least four states over, and once he knows he’s being hunted Lincoln will never get that close to him again.
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Not in less Edward wants him to anyway…. Which likely wouldn’t end well for Lincoln.
Can someone please tell me where they got the supersonic part from? I keep seeing the claims, but not the feat.
I think it is from the baseball scene. … I have no relevent info for you beyond that.
I don’t know where RedRuM is getting those numbers from. It’s not exactly your “standard ballpark”. It’s a field.
What RedRuM?
“I don’t know where RedRuM is getting those numbers from. It’s not exactly your “standard ballpark”. It’s a field.”
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Field or park the dimensions of the fields on average stay the same except for in this case instead a stadium seating area wall it’ll be a treeline. That’s 330ft on the right and left side and 400ft down the center. All baseball field designed to host high school, college level, and major league follows this size. Unless they were playing on a little league field then that’s what the size of the field would be. And I highly doubt they’b be playing on a field designed for little kids.
“All baseball field designed to host high school, college level, and major league follows this size.”
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Which the field they are playing in doesn’t seem to fall under any of the three that you listed.
“Which the field they are playing in doesn’t seem to fall under any of the three that you listed.”
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Then what is it exactly? Its damn sure not little league cause the bases are too far apart. It has to be 360ft around the bases. That is for sure or else it wouldn’t be a true diamond. Thus it would be 400ft down the middle. Thus it can only be what I listed. It is in fact a real baseball field with a real address. It is a privately created field.
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experiencetwilight.com/twilight-movie-tour/baseball-field/
“And I highly doubt they’b be playing on a field designed for little kids.”
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I, on the otherhanf, have no difficultly at all imagining them playing on a field designed for little kids. After all, Edward is essentially a relatively speaking pedophile (he’s over 100; she’s 18. That’s sick). Jacob apperently is a pedophile (he’s 18; she’s 2 months old).
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That whole series is sick and wrong. And in following that theme of really really really old people doing things that they shouldn’t while being complete assholes about it, I can totally see them playing on a little league field. They probably have regular games against the 4th graders. You know, to keep their self confidence up because their super powers just aren’t quite cool enough if they can’t push little people around.
No matter what happens tonight, pray that tomorrow’s match will be able to end this week on a positive note, alright?
Okay… so you gave some photos of a field and not the actual diamond itself.
Better I have the behind the scenes documentary
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWUpwM9G7iM
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You can’t tell me that that’s not 400ft or more based off these scenes.
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or this one
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMGjpStnmPw
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But if that is not enough for you then he at the very least struck the ball at least 4 times the length of home plate to second base. That’s around 508ft since this was still an average sized diamond. Thus he managed to clear that distance, grab the ball, and throw it back within the 2.8 second time limit it would take for the average Twilight vamp to run across the diamond meaning he would have to move at the least twice as fast as she was to get that ball and throw it back. Lowest possible speed would be 246mph However we all know it would be at least 3-4 times faster then she could move since he waited until after the ball landed to take off after it so higher end estimates would be 369mph and 492mph. Any of these 3 estimates is still significantly faster then what anyone has shown Abe capable of moving.
“Lincoln chopping the tree in half is quite a powerful feat. But it still definitely does NOT equate to pushing a living, larger tree over.”
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You realize it doesn’t matter what advantages his axe gives his strength, it’s that the total energy of the attack is strong enough to harm Edward. The other chops were nothing compared to it, as the final one literally lifted the tree up before it fell over. The explosive force isn’t so much from the speed of the attack but the truth behind the blow. The entire point of the scene was teaching him this. That strike was no faster than his others. The thing here is that with a single powerful swing Abe can fell an entire tree where as it takes noticable time for Edward to put out enough strength to fell a tree. The implies to me that Abe’s attacks should be strong enough to hurt Edward, if a vampire’s strength is enough to hurt other vampires and Abe’s attack is on the same scale as Edward’s strength.
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““They are able to run in excess of a hundred miles per hour, substantially faster than the human eye can see. ””
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I wonder how it is I can see other things going over a hundred miles an hour, and why I was able to track Edward during his fight scene.
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““She describes the power in his one arm to be about the same as a cement truck moving downhill at over 60 miles per hour.(as newborn and may be exceptionally powerful)””
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This doesn’t go along with actual shown feats.
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“The movie let’s the vampires die from beheading.”
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While this is Abe’s favorite tactic, he’s made it clear that he’s fine with using fire as well.
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““Vampires in the Twilight universe are hard to destroy, as they are not harmed or deterred in any way by sunlight, holy water, running water, garlic, stakes, or crosses.
-Their bodies and skin are made of a material that is as hard as diamond (if not harder), to humans it is impenetrable.”
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Their durability does not seem to exceed the energy Abe can put out with his vampire hunting techniques.
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“Sauro wasn’t specific as to which version of Lincoln is being used: The Old Lincoln or the Young Lincoln.”
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After he gets his rust off, he appears to be just as capable while old as when young, so we’ll see bearded Lincoln just for visual effect, as I don’t see it having any other effect. Although the set up implies younger Lincoln.
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“by dawn he’d be at least four states over, a”
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You know we do award wins for ring out. If Edward flees the battle area, which is clearly described as the woods, primarily the cabin with in them, then it would be a win for Abe. Running is both ensured failure and something which I don’t believe he’d do anyways.
“No, someone is free of bias and arguing for who he believes WOULD win instead of who he believes SHOULD win.”
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I might actually believe this if he had seen the Abraham Lincoln movie before coming in here and rooting hard as he can for Twilight. The dude’s got a little something-something for Edward, clearly.
@Sauroposeidon
“After he gets his rust off, he appears to be just as capable while old as when young, so we’ll see bearded Lincoln just for visual effect, as I don’t see it having any other effect. Although the set up implies younger Lincoln.”
Well… Ok then.
Wait… Meyerpires are technically stone? Hmm…and they sparkle… Who was it I was thinking of that would be the perfect opponent for the mr. sparkly abusive boyfriend… who was it… He was good at working with stone, he was strong, he had fought something faster than him that had crazy regen powers…
Ah yes… Him.
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We could call it “Sparklefest.”
“Who the hell suggested he was? To answer Chuck, 300 million KILOmeters ph is 1000 times faster than light.”
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Uhhhhh, I know this doesn’t have to do with the match, but light travels at 300,000 km per SECOND. That is 1,080,000,000 km per hour. I don’t know where you’re getting your facts.
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“You realize it doesn’t matter what advantages his axe gives his strength, it’s that the total energy of the attack is strong enough to harm Edward.”
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Too bad that Edward would have to, well, stay as still as a tree in order to get hit by it. The proper stance Abe has to get into and the prolonged wind-up allow anyone with half a brain to get out of the way.
^Oh wow I messed up >.< Saw the k and immediately went wtf without seeing the h.