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The protagonist of The Force Unleashed – Starkiller (Star Wars) – against the Queen of Blades and the Zerg swarm (StarCraft).
No calling in reinforcements, standard gear for both.
Battlefield is a flat plain strewn with boulders and spaceship debris.
EU and games are acceptable references.
Who would win?
Initial bets with Starkiller
feats for the queen?
With no Zerg to control, Kerrigan’s psionic powers are at her full potential.
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Here is her battling it with Zeratul
Does TFU2 Marek have the same fighting ability and Force prowess as the original?
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I’m partially inclined to say Galen Marek can win this. From what I remember of Kerrigan vs Samus, she had enough psionic power to take down cruisers and buildings with her mind which would put her on par or maybe even above Marek, who took a great effort to bring down that Star Destroyer. However, if psionics are operating the manner SW ones seem to where even a mook Force User can resist a master one, Marek can resist her until weakened.
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Up close, Kerrigan is dead as I doubt her ability to withstand a lightsaber. Maybe Force Lightning but I’d reckon not too much of it. At long range, I’m not sure of what Kerrigan can dish out.
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I’m basing my knowledge of Kerrigan on her match up against Samus here so I maybe grossly underestimating her for all I know. For now until this debate is fleshed out more, I say the Gary Stu wins this.
Kerrigan can at least partially regrow her body.
He not a gary stu! he is emotionally confliccted and a ton of facets to his character and he’s been through so much crap you can’t even imagine what he’s done. and even with all that he still choses to be the good guy! anyway, your just jealous that Galen is the most powerful jedi of all time and could stomp alucard easy. seriously, a gay fairy vampire against the most powerful jedi EVER. that’s funny hahaha. starkiller beats the stupid bitch easy.
@Master Sarge
Between you and me, I’d definitely root for Starkiller if he were fighting either Eragon or Murtagh(if the Admiral’s not gonna be offended by this, moreso against Eragon than Murtagh, though!) NQA, plus his past has the decency to be better-explained than most other cases I’d be aware of.*
1.) (Granted, not quite as covered as Revan’s past, but dang it its actually better than a lot of other cases I’d be noting, some of them I’m still giving them the benefit of the doubt with!!!)
sooo how was that with crushing battlecruisers just via thought and from a thousand miles away?
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or does starkiller posses a sort of forcefield (no pun intendet)
or any defense against brainfrying?
In close combat, he would literally rip her apart. He’s above Obi-Wan whom has relativistic reactions. The feat in question was posted in another thread.
@ all
can Galen force tank a nuke? Because if not he’s boned.
I’ll explain so I’m not just spouting crap. Nova used her gift to cause a nuclear level blast while being surrounded by zerg.. She’s I believe a ten on their psychic power index. This index is based on Orders of Magnitude (OoM) Sarah is a TWELVE. This is exactly why the overmind chose her. it foresaw its death and made a stronger replacement to fight on. She’s been able to control the billions of zerg in the swarm, further conditioning he mind. Plus Star craft abilities ignore tensile strength, so that’s a bonus.
Also and just for fun, her carapace TANKED Zeratul’s blades. You know, blades that are rips in space time due to being made in the void. Also rule nine coupled with force infused wood deflecting lightsabers is nice
“Also and just for fun, her carapace TANKED Zeratul’s blades.”
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The ‘wings’ were cut off by said blades, but I guess they don’t count as being covered in carapace.
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“can Galen force tank a nuke? Because if not he’s boned.”
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You should reword this. It should be “a nuclear level blast.”
Hmmm, I suggested a Zeratul vs Starkiller match but this is great.
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Closer range I give to Starkiller because of offensive style and the range of melee attacks.
Long range is close but might have to go to Kerrigan. Starkiller can catch tie fighters mid flight, redirect missiles and guide his lightsaber to impale enemies with telekinesis. He pulled an imperial I class star destroyer out of the sky which was going around 900 kph. He has farsight and precog which will help a lot. Kerrigan on the other hand can crush battlecruisers with her mind…
Unless elemental compatibility is up for force powers and psychic powers, I can see the two crushing each other to death once the match starts..
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If compatibility is up, then…I think Kerrigan throws him around with her powers.
@hermit
Thank you for the correction
“He’s above Obi-Wan whom has relativistic reactions.”
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Not to insult your intelligence, but I highly, highly doubt that.
I’d say Kerrigan can take Starkiller from a distance, all things considered. I Starkiller pulling a Star Destroyer from space is nice, but it took him a lot of effort. Kerrigan can crush battlecruisers, as stated earlier, with a single thought. Not to say a Star Destroyer and a Battlecruiser are exactly the same, but they’d probably make for at least a decent match up.
When did anyone in SW have relativistic reactions even with Pre-Cog?
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@Gluttonous
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U r write, Eye feel so bad 4 im 4 going to all dat bullfuck!!1!1!!2!
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@Primus
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And how strong would Zeratul’s weapons be compared to a lightsaber?
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On the issue of psionics, I believe Kerrigan is beyond Marek due to her apparent casual destruction of cruisers with her mind where as Marek’s SD feat took great time to perform in comparison. However, if Elemental Compatibility means anything here, it’d take a weakened Marek for Kerrigan to psionicly destroy.
Jedi have negative reaction times. Comes with the precog…
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However, so do SC psionics- A basic Ghost training exercise involves dodging computer controlled automatic invisible laser fire in a pitch black labyrinth.
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One excerpt from the book Shadow Hunters states Kerrigan thinks and processes information at light speed and shows her possessing FTL psionic senses with interstellar range-
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“Kerrigan blinked. Her mind, processing at light speed, sensed something and latched onto it. A psionic disturbance, far, far distant. Of great magnitude—it would have to be for her to have picked up on it from so far away. But then again, she herself had been able to telepathically contact Mengsk and Raynor when she was undergoing her transformation—touch their minds and cry out for aid. Aid which had not come in time, and for that, she was grateful, of course. But what was this, that sent ripples out as if from a stone tossed into a lake? It was fading now. It was definitely human. And yet there was something else to it, a sort of … flavor, for lack of a better word. Something … protoss about it. Kerrigan‟s mind was always on a thousand things at once. She could see through any zerg‟s eyes, dip into any zerg‟s mind as she chose. But now she pulled back from all the ceaseless streaming of information and focused her attention on this. Human … and protoss. Mentally working together. Kerrigan knew that Zeratul, the late unlamented Tassadar, and Raynor had shared thoughts. But they‟d created nothing like what she now sensed. Kerrigan hadn‟t even realized such a thing was possible. Human and protoss brains were so different. Even a psionic would have difficulty working with a protoss. Unless …”
“Jedi have negative reaction times. Comes with the precog…”
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That is akin in some ways to aim-dodging. Obviously they don’t have relativistic reactions and such if they can be shot by clones. General Order 66 anyone?
“General Order 66 anyone?”
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I attribute heavy pis. Though Yoda and mace windu both said the Jedi’s grip on the force was diminishing due to the Dark Side’s influence. Plus, in a lot of those cases, the Jedi would sense something only to turn around and face a wall of blasterfire because there would be so many clones at once. Not to mention there had to be shock factor; the clones were supposed to be utterly loyal, incapable of acting against their generals.
@ss
As far as I’m aware lightsaber blades destabilize electron shells (please forgive and educate me if I’m wrong), where dark templar blades are supposedly hax and bypass stuff. Idk. I think Galorian needs to save me from my lack of knowledge lol.
@Galorian
Quotes or calcs for what she tanked? Not that it matters if she’s light speed thought/tk….
The warp blade is a tear in the fabric of space-time. It’s the ultimate cutting edge and ridiculously out of the Lightsaber’s league.
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If they ever crossed odds are the warp blade will simply go through the lightsaber and short it out in the process (the lightsaber’s blade is akin to a circuit if I recall correctly).
“Plus, in a lot of those cases, the Jedi would sense something only to turn around and face a wall of blasterfire because there would be so many clones at once.”
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I’m just saying that Jedi don’t have perfect precog. There’s a difference between knowing about general threats and where they’re coming from and then there’s knowing exactly where each individual blaster bolt is going to be.
Knowing Starkiller well, I think he MIGHT be able to stand up to Kerrigan though she has Cruiser crushing powers.
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I don’t remember any instances where Starkiller (This isn’t Marek in this match as far as we know) resisted another’s force powers. Then again, he was considered on of the most powerful Sith/jedi of his time and, from what I know, no one tried to force choke or crush him.
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Starkiller crushed AT-ST’s and TIE fighters with ease, he can pick up and toss multiple things at once and multitask (Helpful if kerrigan is focused only on crushing him) and he’s fairly fast.
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How fast is Kerrigan? Can Starkiller dash his way in close and dodge any attacks she may have for close range?
@Aelfinn
“I’m just saying that Jedi don’t have perfect precog. There’s a difference between knowing about general threats and where they’re coming from and then there’s knowing exactly where each individual blaster bolt is going to be.”
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Then that would mean their blocking the blaster shots by themselves and not relying on their precog to determine where it might hit.
“I don’t remember any instances where Starkiller (This isn’t Marek in this match as far as we know)”
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Galen Marek is Starkiller
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“Then that would mean their blocking the blaster shots by themselves and not relying on their precog to determine where it might hit.”
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It’s a combo. If their precog was perfect, they’d never get killed.
@Draco
It doesn’t matter how physically fat she is. She can process data at
@Draco
It doesn’t matter how physically fat she is. She can process data at “light speed” her tk is thought based. Her tk ignores tensile strength. And her feats are comparable with Galen. I say tk speed blitz
Physically fat?
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Last I checked she was fairly fit :-p
“It doesn’t matter how physically fat she is.”
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAA!
…. *shoots phone*
Fast…. * hangs head in shame*
I now have a mental image of a fat Kerrigan running around as fast as she can…
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Can’t stop laughing…
@Aelfinn
“Galen Marek is Starkiller”
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I know, I was saying that this isn’t stated to be Galen Marek from what he used to be in stuff like KOTOR (IIRC he was in that… I hope)
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@PrimusXplus
“It doesn’t matter how physically fat she is. She can process data at “light speed” her tk is thought based. Her tk ignores tensile strength. And her feats are comparable with Galen. I say tk speed blitz”
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Just because her thoughts are lightspeed doesn’t mean she can move as fast. I’m inclined to say that if Starkiller gets close his faster movements would slice her to bits as she processing the whole thing in her mind.
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Both have the ability to psychicly rend one another (though I think there were some feats that showed her resisting Zeratul’s powers… but that’s for you all to state and find) this would result in a stalemate.
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While her TK ignores tensile strength, it’ll only matter in the long run once Starkiller starts to tire. He seems to have a lot of endurance as well, it may take a long while.
“I now have a mental image of a fat Kerrigan running around as fast as she can…
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Can’t stop laughing…”
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPtuekvJdhs
How I feel right now ^-^
“It doesn’t matter how physically fat she is.”
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I was so confused. I guess it doesn’t matter how fat she is, considering her TK.
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“While her TK ignores tensile strength, it’ll only matter in the long run once Starkiller starts to tire. He seems to have a lot of endurance as well, it may take a long while.”
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Psychic =/= Force. On top of that, her lightspeed thought will rip him apart before he can resist.
I see a tubby Kerrigan riding a Zerg, which is visibly in pain and exhausted, and she’s saying something like “Onward Minion!” while pointing a fat arm out in the direction of a McDonalds in the distance.
Or maybe using her TK to fly around like Baron Harkonnen while shouting “WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!” As Zeratul and the other non zerg stare at her in confusion.
@galorian
You made me lol too. The other manager just looked at me funny heh. Also can you post her taking hits from zeratul??
@Draco
I’m not saying she has to move (though it would help her lose weight :p) she can just start trying to crush him, throw shit at him, etc that quickly. He’d get overwhelmed. Hence tk speed blitz. Plus straw the difference between a lightsaber and dark templar blades above
Kerrigan is more powerful by orders of magnitude, why would she need to tire malek out if she could simply crush him into dust?
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As for close combat, Kerrigan has hax regeneration and was more than capable of taking on both Zeratul and Tassadar at once you know, and they’re no pushovers.
Side note: is that typo going to haunt my tenure here? Lol better than being remembered as a fan boy
“she can just start trying to crush him”
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She doesn’t even need TK for that anymore.
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“Side note: is that typo going to haunt my tenure here?”
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It’d better.
@Primus
Oh, I’ll definitely remember.
These are good points… But so far I’ve seen little on if she can tank starkiller force crushing her like he does to all those AT-ST’s and moving TIE fighters.
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The Star destroyer feat IS impressive, and it shows that he could probably fling her about just as easily as she can to him (though he struggled)
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Stated already that Starkiller can multitask and throw more than one object at a time.
“But so far I’ve seen little on if she can tank starkiller force crushing her ”
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Two things. First off, the fat surrounding her internal organs (and her whole body) will provide excellent protection. Second, she doesn’t need to tank it as she can just kill Starkiller first.
@Aelfinn
“the fat surrounding her internal organs (and her whole body) will provide excellent protection.”
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Damn, I concede then, there’s no way Starkiller can beat that.
/jk
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“she doesn’t need to tank it as she can just kill Starkiller first.”
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Well, considering all PIS and CIS are removed I guess she will just crush him then.
Well, that was a quick match.
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That is, unless there is something somewhere saying that they also have lightspeed thoughts… Aren’t thoughts already extremely fast? not lightspeed fast but fast…
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I’m not versed enough in Starwars to say much more.
i dont know anything about the queen but if she thinks at lightspeed what is starkillers answer?
Mother of God what have I done….
lol Good running joke though. Autocorrect FTW
Seriously.
Yeah that lightspeed thinking + thought based uber TK kinda kills Galen
I’m not sure there is any way Starkiller can resist getting crushed.
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Stomp
Does Starkiller’s pic say “Vader will day” or am I seeing things?
I see it too Lowk… WTF
and he has shades on 8)
@Lightning
If you’re still in there instead of being MIA, If you’ll excuse me I wish to join you in finding the NovaxSarah stuff, alright?
It says Vader Will Pay >.< seriously xD just think about it for a second.
“It says Vader Will Pay”
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Okay that actually makes more sense. Damn that image cropping.
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Will I guess I should add some feats for Starkiller to balance out the vader will daymistake/pointlessness.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUiXUUb-1fY
Charging cannon with his own power
7:48-9:00
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxSmHFs6ZbI
Moving Large debris, Ships, and Blowing up(crushing?) an astorid(large Space rock?) that were in the way.
0:41-2:30
Throwing a tie fighter he was on then falling through a roof.
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A lot of those things were frigates and pieces of star Destroyers. That’s fairly impressive and i forgot all about that stuff.
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The TIE fighter bit was fairly impressive especially, the strength he would have to have would be immense without any sort of leverage and stoppng a moving fighter…
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But… Kerrigan wins by lightspeed TK blitz
“Kerrigan blinked. Her mind, processing at light speed, sensed something and latched onto it.”
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How can a mind process something at lightspeed? What does that mean…
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I tried searching up how fast a brain can process info and got this site:
www.ualberta.ca/~chrisw/howfast.html
Can’t really quantify brain processing in terms of speed since it just doesn’t work..
“But… Kerrigan wins by lightspeed TK blitz”
and being fat as hell lol. I may as well own it
@tarbel
Well the electrical impulses that cross our synapses move at certain speeds. Maybe hers move just that much faster? This is just biological speculation but maybe she has to our myelin sheaths what our myelin sheaths are to unsheathed synapses. Regardless she has this ability and is able to process the information just as quickly. Plus she’s a friggin’ uber psychic/alien combo
“But… Kerrigan wins by lightspeed TK blitz”
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The quote didn’t really give an example of her using TK at lightspeed though. Going by the fight she had with Zertual(didIspellthatright?) She seems to use it something like how a biotic or a jedi does which required a bit of physical movement.
@Lowk
She also didn’t seem to consider him more of a bug though…. He’s kneeling holding his arm, and you don’t attack? But Idk I’m not the most knowledgeable on SC lore
@Lowk
True…
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I’m assuming things… darn!
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She’d have to have a feat for using her powers at lightspeed. But that’s impossible to tell… right?
www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=789769
“Three MagnaGuards, each with a double-ended weapon that generated an energy field impervious to lightsabers, each with reflexes that operated near lightspeed, each with hyper-sophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience and adapt its tactics instantly to any situation, were certainly beyond Obi-Wan’s ability to defeat, but it was not Obi-Wan who would defeat them; Obi-Wan wasn’t even fighting.
He was only a vessel, emptied of self. The Force, shaped by his skill and guided by his clarity of mind, fought through him. In the Force, he felt their destruction: it was somewhere above and behind him, and only seconds away. He went to meet it with a backflipping leap that the Force used to lift him neatly to an empty droid socket in the ceiling hive. The MagnaGuards sprang after him but he was gone by the time they arrived, leaping higher into the maze of girders and cables and room-sized cargo containers that was the control center’s superstructure.
Here, said the Force within him, and Obi-Wan stopped, balancing on a
girder, frowning back at the oncoming killer droids that leapt from beam to
beam below him like malevolent durasteel primates. Though he could feel its close approach, he had no idea from where their destruction might come…until the Force showed him a support beam within reach of his blade and whispered, now. His blade flicked out and the durasteel beam parted, fresh-cut edges glowing white hot, and a great hulk of ship-sized cargo container that the beam had been supporting tore free of its other supports with shrieks of anguished metal and crashed down upon all three MagnaGuards with the finality of a meteor strike.
Two, three, and four. Oh, thought Obi-Wan with detached approval. That worked out rather well. Only ten thousand to go. Give or take. An instant later the Force had him hurtling through a storm of blasterfire as every combat droid in the control center opened up on him at once. Letting go of intention, letting go of desire, letting go of life, Obi-Wan fixed his entire attention on a thread of the Force that pulled him toward Grievous: not where Grievous was, but where Grievous would be when Obi-Wan got there…
Leaping girder to girder, slashing cables on which to swing through swarms of ricocheting particle beams, blade flickering so fast it became a deflector shield that splattered blaster bolts in all directions, his presence alone became a weapon: as he spun and whirled through the control center’s superstructure, the blasts of particle cannons from power droids destroyed equipment and shattered girders and unleashed a torrent of red-hot debris that crashed to the deck, crushing droids on all sides. By the time he flipped down through the air to land cat-footed on the deck once more, nearly half the droids between him and Grievous had been destroyed by their own not-so-friendly fire. He cut his way into the mob of remaining troops as smoothly as if it were no more than a canebrake near some sunlit beach; his steady pace left behind a trail of smoking slices of droid.”
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“Another gesture, and the droids in the ceiling hive came to life. They uncoiled from their sockets heads-downward, with a rising chorus
of whirring and buzzing and clicking that thickened until Obi-Wan might as well have stumbled into a colony of Corellian raptor-wasps.
They began to drop free of the ceiling, first only a few, then many, like the opening drops of a summer cloudburst; finally they fell in a downpour that shook the stone-mounted durasteel of the deck and left Obi-Wan’s ears ringing. Hundreds of them landed and rolled to standing; as many more stayed attached to the overhead hive, hanging upside down by their magnapeds, weapons trained so that Obi-Wan now stood at the focus of a dome of blasters.”
Passage showing he’s surrounded.
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“Swinging speed base (against a single droid) = 1m x 2722 m/s – 15m = 181.46 m/s = mach 0.5
Mach 0.5 / 0.00001 = 1,701,450 m/s ~ Mach 5000
Although I’m sure there are errors it still seems that the feat is in excess in general of mach 1000. ”
The calc.
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Probably not relativistic but yeah. Also, keep in mind that droids think at near or at LS due to their processors. This excerpt from ROTS novel shows it.
“Three MagnaGuards, each with a double-ended weapon that generated an energy field impervious to lightsabers, each with reflexes that operated near lightspeed, each with hyper-sophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience and adapt its tactics instantly to any situation, were certainly beyond Obi-Wan’s ability to defeat, but it was not Obi-Wan who would defeat them; Obi-Wan wasn’t even fighting.”
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Now someone debunk this or accept it. I’m out.
@lightning:
wouldn´t make much of a difference if they start of from a fair distance..
starkiller will get squashed to a nearly 2 dimmensional pancake the very moment
the match starts..
kerrigan just needs to know were he stands..one quick thought and starkiller is done for the moment he went on striking forward with his arm or even just activated his lightsaber…
@lightning
That’s a really awesome quote, but two issues
1) that’s obi not Galen
2) thinking NEAR light speed =/= doing wtfpwn tk at light speeds
“The calc.”
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I don’t know where those numbers came from.
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“Also, keep in mind that droids think at near or at LS due to their processors.”
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That is probably like the best explanation. If they could move at lightspeed, then they’d own everything.
Wait, I’m hearing Galen Marek can bring down a star destroyer?
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Wasn’t it already falling or something? And Galen Marek only pushed it to avoid being killed?
Err. I was referring to the event in SW:FU the first one.
Well, we haven’t seen Kerrigan use her powers at LS or else she’d own everything. That is, unless you want to claim that everyone in the Starcraft verse that could have been destroyed by her (Looking at Zeratul) had lightspeed reaction times and thoughts to stop from getting utterly destroyed by Kerrigan’s massive power.
@Draco
Or pis
The video shows him beaten, AGAIN. In SC1 she allows the remnants of that 3-vs-1 fight go when she could have just finished them off. She started her hand because she was “weary of the slaughter”. Doesn’t sound like “whew holding back three military powers without my second in command was hard” Raynor threatens her and she’s like bring it
browse.deviantart.com/?qh=§ion=&q=fat+sarah+kerrigan#/d3hiv2p
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Look what I found! You’ll like it, Primus.
@Primus
OR she hasn’t shown any capability of it because she cant.
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I would like to see any instance where she uses this lightspeed Psychic power you claim she has. Using her power and thinking can be two different things, like using two different parts of the brain. That way, she doesn’t accidently rip apart her forces in a spurt of rage or something similar.
@aelfinn
What. The. Fuck. Lol awesome. You made me lol again. Also the other manager just looked at me again. Made my day
@Draco
True. I am only using evidence that had been presented. We have two quotes from books, one light speed and one near. Eh I like both characters so I’m not pursuing too hard. if you continue to support enough you may convert me
Anyone want to calc how much pain Starkiller might wind up with, if he doesn’t close that distance between him and Kerrigan in time?
I’m waging that it’d be Star System level at low-ends, high-balling says its a Galaxy’s worth.
I could grab the vid of Starkiller dealing with the Star Destroyer in the 1st game, if anyone wants it.
P.S: I’m feeling that Starkiller has better odds against Eragon, and while I’d root for him in there, there’s no hurry to suggest that match.
@ omega:
“Wait, I’m hearing Galen Marek can bring down a star destroyer?”
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well kerrigan squashed a whole fleet of battlecruisers once …
and from what i heard it took malek quite some time to bring it down …
“and from what i heard it took malek quite some time to bring it down …”
It took my Marek a very long time to take it down >.< stupid section *mumble grumble* …
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RjuoTfUP3A
This the vid you need?
“When did anyone in SW have relativistic reactions even with Pre-Cog?”
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I think Lightning’s referring to a Mach 1000 calc for Obi-Wan on the OBD. Which I don’t trust due to the sheer amount of assumptions in it
I have to say though, Atomic Lowk’s stuff has been the best things so far for Force related things power. He was able to cause an asteroid about the size of one of the Correlian Frigate’s to explode (or implode) so the ship could make it into the atmosphere.
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Then he landed on a TIE fighter’s wing with no damage, then proceeded to throw it with no leverage whatsoever. It’s an amazing feat of strength.
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Force pushes desroyed entire TIE fighter’s and pieces of Durasteel about the size of a human being that had ripped off the falling ship. this is also shown in the very first drop scene you do in the beginning of the game.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW0gdiZKaJQ
(9:07-9:50) there he’s seen blasting through (supposedly) Durasteel pylons and being hit by lightning. Then at the end he STILL survives the fall somehow and creates a gigantic crater in the process, blowing out all the windows and instantly killing every Stormtrooper there.
(14:28-14:32) he’s shown crushing a TIE fighter with little problem and even stopping the fast moving object in it’s tracks completely.
Fat Kerrigan XD Obviously Starkiller can’t tk such a morbidly obese person. Kerrigan wins by rolling over and crushing him under her massive bulk
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“How can a mind process something at lightspeed? What does that mean…”
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It means she takes in information and decides what to do much much faster than Starkiller. Normally wouldn’t mean much since she doesn’t actually move light speed but pscionics are thought based so she’s also throwing out telekinesis faster than him. How is this possible? It’s fiction.
@w00tm0ng3r
I heard otherwise, that she always did a little physical movement before she actually did something. There’s nothing proving she can throw out Psyconics at lightspeed. It only says she process’ at lightspeed, this is though,. not Psychic powers.
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If thought ment Psyconics, then that means a stray thought (as there are unconscious thoughts as well as the one your thinking right now. Which is ‘conscious’ thought) could accidently rip apart her own units.
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Psyconics is different from thought, like two parts of the brain for different things.
Are we allowed to use feats from TFU2? Technically, that game used a clone of the original Starkiller. If not, Starkiller can still use a wide array of Force powers here.
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Anything stopping this bug-tittied lady from being zapped with Force Lightning, being Force Choked, being imploded with Force Crush, or anything like that?
A lot of Kerrigan’s feats were done with her controlling the entirety of the Zerg, which number somewhere in the high billions to low trillions. This include the Battlecruise crushing feat and her fight with Zeratul.
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Here, with nothing to control and her powers focused only on one individual…
@Hermit
Can we even assume it’ll be more powerful if she’s controlling less?
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I don’t think it’d be much different. Anyways we don’t know what she can do if she’s not controlling anyone.
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@NZ
Clone… an exact copy of Starkiller. He’s made entirely the same with the only difference was trying to snuff up his memory of his lady-friend which continued to appear in every test subject somehow.
@ Draco
The most I can find that she ISN’T controlling anyone while using her powers is in the Heart of the Swarm trailer, where she was casually looking at Valerian, while choking the life out of him.
How well would Starkiller fare against the Zerg?
The first sentence does state he is facing the Queen of Blades(Kerrigan) and the zerg swarm.
@Alpha or Omega
Oh… Well, first that depends on the kind of Zerg being used. If it’s the basic Zerglings then Starkiller has them easily…. but get bigger and more dangerous the harder it gets and Starkiller already has to deal with Kerrigan.
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Starkiller has beaten Rancor’s and even a bull rancor and one far worse in TFU2. But how those stack up against Zerg units I’m not sure.
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@Hermit
Statement voided because of the OP stating her control of the Zerg swarm. How much of it and what type I’m not sure.
@ Draco
Ah well.
I hope Kerrigan brought an army of Ultralisks with her.
Hydralisks would ruin Starkiller’s day quite handily – each one can shoot hundreds of spikes simultaneusly with sufficient force to outpreform C-14 spikes (which are hypersonic DU spikes).
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Even a single spike would be problematic due to their size (a single sweep of a lightsaber will not vaporize the entire projectile) and thanks to their poison even a superficial wound from a surviving sliver could prove debilitating if not outright fatal.
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A few hundreds of them at once would be impossible to stop with a lightsabre, regardless of the wielder’s skill or precognition.
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As for Kerrigan defending herself, she can psionically shield herself, which should be more than enough given the power gap here.
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Plus, fat is insulating so the lightning shouldn’t be too effective against her anyway…
Mach 5000 Obi-Wan is Legit.
@Galorian
Well, considering how fast blaster bolts are (and I’m not sure how fast those are and with the EU in use… I’d need someone more versed in the entirety of Starwars) I don’t know if Starkiller can effectively dodge all 100 spikes. How does the Hydralisk shoot them? all at one point or spread out?
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Also, I must ask for proof on this, it’s a fairly high claim that I’m a bit skeptical about.
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Starkiller could maybe aim dodge them with his precog.
Mebbe Starkiller is a chubby chaser and she seduces him and wins without coming to blows?
@Glutton
I think that is the…. BEST ARGUEMENT SO FAR!
“I think that is the…. BEST ARGUEMENT SO FAR!”
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Quoted For Truth
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“How does the Hydralisk shoot them? all at one point or spread out?”
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All at one target, but it covers an area, not one point.
My typo FTW lol
@Aelfinn
Can Starkiller just… you know… jump? Sith and Jedi are shown to jump really really high with ease.
“Also, I must ask for proof on this, it’s a fairly high claim that I’m a bit skeptical about.”
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Galorian probably has more proof, but most of the proof is in Terran Marine vs Imperial Royal Guard. It’s based off of WoG about how the DU spikes are hypersonic. The Hydralisk spikes do comparable damage to the Super Armor that Marines use, so that is where their strength comes from.
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“Can Starkiller just… you know… jump?”
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I guess so, if he has fast enough reactions + movement speed. The jumps (IIRC) haven’t spectacularly fast.
@Aelfinn
“I guess so, if he has fast enough reactions + movement speed. The jumps (IIRC) haven’t spectacularly fast.”
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No, but they don’t exactly need to be if he knows exactly when to jump. Precognition isn’t just for show… Even if it is just showing him where the danger is and when it’s going to happen his reaction time’s deflecting blaster bolts is pretty good. If some Starwars knowitall can come in and bring some EU specs on Blaster bolts…
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I guess I’ll have to look it up later.
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Just a question, but cant we scale Obi-Wan’s feat to other jedi?
Hydralisks bringing down fighter planes-
“Suddenly the Zerg Overlord drifting above the colony shuddered and slid sideways. Several explosions
erupted from the side of the hideous beast. The Overlord exploded in an enormous fireball. The Zerg
Hydralisks entering the compound suddenly hesitated.
A wing of five Confederacy Wraith fighters ripped through the smoke overhead, the scream of their
engines nearly drowning out the cries of the terrified crowd below. Twenty-five-millimeter burst lasers
pulsed repeatedly as the Wraiths wheeled through the air, the bolts slamming against targets on the far
side of the crumbling fortress wall.
One of the Wraiths wavered suddenly, then exploded under a hail of ground fire from the outraged Zerg.”
-Speed of Darkness
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Hydralisk spine going clean through a CMC armor suit’s leg (which is resistant to C-14 fire) to lodge in a neosteel beam-
“Ardo had no time to argue. He and Cutter ran back toward the bunker. He could already see the tracer
fire ripping through the gun ports in all directions. The Hydralisks were pouring across the ground, surging
toward the bunker itself. Their carapace shells were distended, their armor-piercing spine quills at the
ready for the attack.
Ardo fell back through the hatchway just as the Hydralisks attacked. The spines shot through the open
hatch, slicing through the outer layers of his combat suit as though it were cotton cloth. Searing pain
erupted in his leg, a quill having passed completely through and lodging in a neosteel beam.”
-Speed of Darkness
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“Next, two of the remaining Hydralisks converged on her from opposite sides, each hammering the
vehicle with another volley of spines. She heard the pattering clang as the projectiles crashed into the
metal walls, scratching and denting the hull. A few poked all the way through, leaving bright air holes, but
Octavia did not cringe.”
-Shadow of the Xel’naga
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“Walking like mechanical spiders driven by living brains, the Protoss Dragoons had disappeared into the
cathedral shape of the Xel’Naga artifact.
But before Executor Koronis could receive a report on their explorations, his ground troops of fanatical
Zealots sounded an alarm. They reeled backward as the valley surface began to ripple and crack.
Then a storm of Zerg attackers emerged from the ground, boiling up from hidden burrows. Hydralisks
heaved upward, their curved backs bent forward so that their volleys of poisonous needle spines sliced
the closest Protoss soldiers to ribbons.”
-Shadow of the Xel’naga
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A single turns three terran marines into pincushions-
“With the Goliaths in the lead, the team rounded a weird rippled corner and suddenly encountered a
group of Zerg already hissing and raising their spiny exoskeletons in an attack posture. Six lizardlike
Zerglings bounded forward, followed immediately by a lurching Hydralisk that bowed its carapace and
extended clawed hands.
Lieutenant Scott didn’t hesitate. “Open fire!”
His men were ready for the order. The Firebats rushed into the lead and opened up their Perdition
flamethrowers. Gouts of fire scorched the leaping Zerglings, turning them into flailing fireballs as they
sprang, only to crash into the curved walls, leaving a smear of smoking organic residue.
The Goliaths launched heavy firepower of their own, using their twin autocannons to cut down the
Hydralisk as it shot its volley of poisonous spines.
Three more Marines—now no more than bloody pincushions wearing uniforms—sprawled dead. Others
ran forward, howling for revenge, opening up their Gauss rifles, screaming. Lieutenant Scott raised his
weapon to his armor-padded shoulder and joined the battle.”
-Shadow of the Xel’naga
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“Inside, the hydralisk acted. It hunched forward, firing spines from its back. The two guardian protoss immediately sprang toward it, blocking the deadly barbs with their own bodies, dying to protect their alysaar‘vah and the human he tended to. They went down silently, their bodies impaled a dozen times over, blood pooling out from beneath them.”
-Twilight
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That should cover it quite nicely.
Damnit I had a giant post typed up but I accidentally closed the window >_>
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“I heard otherwise, that she always did a little physical movement before she actually did something. There’s nothing proving she can throw out Psyconics at lightspeed. It only says she process’ at lightspeed, this is though,. not Psychic powers.”
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It’s for dramatic effect. In the books they don’t need to do the motion. She’s also not doing anything when she’s going all Vader on Valarian.
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“If thought ment Psyconics, then that means a stray thought (as there are unconscious thoughts as well as the one your thinking right now. Which is ‘conscious’ thought) could accidently rip apart her own units.”
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And that happens all the time. 16 year old Nova got pissed (ok that’s putting it lightly) and accidentally blew up a skyscraper. Kid Kerrigan got chewed out by her mom and accidentally blew up her head. Ghost training includes giving people brain hemorrages by thinking hard.
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“Starkiller has beaten Rancor’s and even a bull rancor and one far worse in TFU2. But how those stack up against Zerg units I’m not sure.”
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Just going by size an ultralisk would run them over. From the trailer we’re looking at 50 feet tall with 30 foot monomolecular blades, and they can shrug off an explosion even bigger than it (that is a BIG shell). Nasty stuff right there.
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“Can Starkiller just… you know… jump? Sith and Jedi are shown to jump really really high with ease.”
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Hydralisks are anti-aircraft, and no that isn’t a game mechanic, so I doubt that’d work. Another problem with hydralisk spines is their sheer size. Each spine is about a foot long and 3-4 inches thick (don’t ask how they all fit in the the thing’s chest). You can’t deflect a spine like you could a blaster bolt so you’re actually going to have to vaporize the entire thing. We’re going from multiple bolts per swing to multiple swings per spine.
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To give perspective on hydralisks: a terran marine has a gun that shoots 50% faster than a MG42, has a 200-500 shot magazine, is pinpoint accurate against smaller than human moving targets at 1800 meters, has auto-aim, and hits harder than a Bradley’s 25mm autocannon with the latest anti-tank shells. Hydralisks are such a problem for these guys (they almost always win 1v1 and there’s usually more of them) standard doctrine is to call in siege tanks.