Suggested By Xeno Dementio
The scenario- Having destroyed his own world in his ‘fun’, Kefka has moved on to the next, which happens to be the land of Hyrule.
Having laud waste to the lands and inhabitants, there is but one left to oppose him: the Dark King of Evil Ganondorf.
Battlefield is a halfway destroyed Hyrule Castle.
Ganondorf is a composite of all his canon appearances.
Kefka is at full power and final form.
Who wins this duel of the fates?
@wingedlion:
“how long did ganondorf have the triforce?”
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Relevance?
“Relevance?”
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to determine whether it is standard equipment.
@wingedlion:
“to determine whether it is standard equipment.”
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It was used, therefore Ganondorf has possession of it.
“how long did ganondorf have the triforce?”
Long enough to make use of it.
“It was used, therefore Ganondorf has possession of it.”
just because he used it does not make it standard equipment. standard equipment would be something he constantly carries.
Stone turns the matter into solid stone of course, this doesn’t have anything to do with magic incompatibility, if Kefka castes fire on the world of Hyrule, it will burn something, it’s logic, if he wishes to petrify something then it will be petrified, the Zeldaverse will have to use their own method to unpetrify themselves if possible.
And you must show a counter to all the magic Kefka can throw at Ganon, such as Stone, Stop, Slow, Death, etc…
off topic, but why didn’t ganondorf use the triforce to kill link?
off topic, but why didn’t ganondorf use the triforce to kill link.
sorry for the double post
Ganon cannot Cure himself from Doom as it is FF6 based magic, petrify….. maybe.
@wingedlion:
“just because he used it does not make it standard equipment. standard equipment would be something he constantly carries.”
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The problem is that ALttP Ganondorf is not the incarnation of the other Ganondorfs. It would be like saying Ganondorf from TP isn’t allowed to have the Executioner Sword because he only used it during battle against Link.
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The same could be said of other composite characters as well. Samus wouldn’t be allowed to have the Phazon, Dark, Light, and PED Suit, as well as the Hazard Shield or even the Hyper Beam in MPC:3. Why? Because she only had these in one game. They’re not standard equipment.
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We could expand this further, using this very argument against Kefka. I could understand saying Ganondorf isn’t allowed to have the full Triforce if he had never used it at all, such as in the case of WW. In other words, if Ganondorf held an object but never used it, sure, he’s not allowed to use the item. Ganondorf used the Triforce, though, so I don’t see why he shouldn’t have it.
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As someone pointed out in the previous pages, it’s curious if Ganondorf would be only allowed to use the Triforce once, since it has never been shown to be used more than once. Consider the King of Red Lions in WW or Link in SS.
“just because he used it does not make it standard equipment. standard equipment would be something he constantly carries.”
Too bad, Ganondorf’s been given everything he’s had in all of his canon appearances. And guess what…..he’s had the entire Triforce in a canon appearance.
@wingedlion:
“off topic, but why didn’t ganondorf use the triforce to kill link.”
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Either PIS or CIS. The same could be asked why Bowser didn’t just wish for Mario to cease to exist. He’s rather dense, so it wouldn’t be any surprise if Bowser never even thought of wishing for Mario to cease to exist.
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In the case of Ganondorf, again, it only seems the person who is in possession of the Triforce can only make one wish. Since Link becomes a rabbit without the Moon Pearl, Ganondorf probably thought the better choice would be to make a Dark World, thinking Link would be powerless to stop him.
“The same could be said of other composite characters as well. Samus wouldn’t be allowed to have the Phazon, Dark, Light, and PED Suit, as well as the Hazard Shield or even the Hyper Beam in MPC:3. Why? Because she only had these in one game. They’re not standard equipment.”
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you might have misunderstood me. i was asking how long he had it in that one game, not if he had it in the other games.
“off topic, but why didn’t ganondorf use the triforce to kill link?”
He had already made his wish with it in ALttP’s backstory.
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How did the “God of Magic” get beaten by a ragtag group of RPG cliches that use……you guessed it….MAGIC?
@wingedlion:
“you might have misunderstood me. i was asking how long he had it in that one game, not if he had it in the other games.”
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I don’t know.
“Too bad, Ganondorf’s been given everything he’s had in all of his canon appearances. And guess what…..he’s had the entire Triforce in a canon appearance.”
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it does not matter if he’s had the triforce in a cannon appearance. if he does not constantly have it in that particular game then it cant be counted as equipment. composite ganondorf gets all his abilities and standard equipment. he does not get items or abilities granted to him for a short amount of time.
@wingedlion:
“he does not get items or abilities granted to him for a short amount of time.”
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That’s silly and arbitrary. What is the duration necessary in order for it to be standard equipment?
“it does not matter if he’s had the triforce in a cannon appearance. if he does not constantly have it in that particular game then it cant be counted as equipment. composite ganondorf gets all his abilities and standard equipment. he does not get items or abilities granted to him for a short amount of time.”
Look who thinks they’re suddenly in charge of FP’s rules and the battle scenario…..
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It only takes one time for something to be used and on someone’s person to it be affiliated with equipment, equipment a composite would have unless said otherwise by the match suggestor.
“That’s silly and arbitrary. What is the duration necessary in order for it to be standard equipment?”
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he basically has to carry it constantly as his usual equipment.
“That’s silly and arbitrary.”
Very.
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“What is the duration necessary in order for it to be standard equipment?”
I’m sure he doesn’t know that.
“It only takes one time for something to be used and on someone’s person to it be affiliated with equipment, equipment a composite would have unless said otherwise by the match suggestor.”
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that’s not how it works. if its not his casual equipment in that game then he cannot use it.
“he basically has to carry it constantly as his usual equipment.”
No, he doesn’t. The OP says NOTHING about “constantly” or “usual equipment”. In fact, I’ll read it back to ya.
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“Ganondorf is a composite of all his canon appearances.”
Yep.
Well, I say it was (mostly canon) a fight Between him and Terra, who was capable of casting the same magic as him with the exception of LoJ and Ultima is a very powerful non-elemental based attack wish can hurt Kefka, somehow she became his equivalent (don’t ask I don’t know).
And I calculate Terra to be Mach ALOT, so she could evade and spew Ultimas.
Ganondorf would have to evade nuke size magic bombs and time stops coming at him from every direction, and their is no use on escaping because of Warp magic.
“No, he doesn’t. The OP says NOTHING about “constantly” or “usual equipment”. In fact, I’ll read it back to ya.”
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it has nothing to do with the op. the rules state that characters gain there standard equipment. the op did not state that ganondorf gains every equipment he touches. therefore, since that was not altered, ganondorf only gains his standard equipment from all his games.
And within those canon appearances his standard equipment, his only a composite of all of those powers and equipment.
“it has nothing to do with the op. the rules state that characters gain there standard equipment. the op did not state that ganondorf gains every equipment he touches. therefore, since that was not altered, ganondorf only gains his standard equipment from all his games.”
Are you intentionally fucking around or are you seriously like, partially illiterate? You have NO say over what “standard equipment” is. All it says is composite, so therefor Ganondorf get’s everyhting he’s used. Get over it.
I didnt think Ganon wished for Darkworld. I thought the Sacred Realm changed because it reflected what was in his heart once he made the wish for… I don’t know, ultimate power or something? I can’t recall.
“Are you intentionally fucking around or are you seriously like, partially illiterate? You have NO say over what “standard equipment” is. All it says is composite, so therefor Ganondorf get’s everyhting he’s used. Get over it.”
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i never said i had a say in what it is. however its not so hard to understand. standard equipment is what someone casually has. if ganondorf does not constantly have the triforce within that game then its not standard equipment. simple as that.
The pieces of the TRIFORCE should be allowed as he had them in the other room when you fight him in a lttp. Why he didn’t use it is irrelavent; maybe they’re like dragonballs, where using them for the wish scatters it. Irregardless, he possesed them. On his person, no, but accessable, yes. Even OA made the case that he potentially obtained it TWICE (creating darkworld and at the end)
and my gravatar works!!!!
@Primus
Lol I heard you lurked here for years.
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@Wingedlion
Seriously, just accept it already.
“The pieces of the TRIFORCE should be allowed as he had them in the other room when you fight him in a lttp. Why he didn’t use it is irrelavent; maybe they’re like dragonballs, where using them for the wish scatters it. Irregardless, he possesed them. On his person, no, but accessable, yes. Even OA made the case that he potentially obtained it TWICE (creating darkworld and at the end)”
it doesent matter if he had them in the other room. he has to have them with him. dante’s store has the devil arms he collected. that dosent mean he has them with him.
“Seriously, just accept it already.”
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you have given me no valid reason to accept it, therefore i stand by what i say.
The Triforce of Power, which we know he has, gives him immortality, as seen when he is executed. He died, the mark of Power appeared on his hand, and he came back.
@Primux
You too are a WoT Buff?
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And just how immortal is he?
Does it mean his soul is immune to Doom or time Stops.
“Does it mean his soul is immune to Doom”
Lol a death spell affecting a ghost?
@ NZ.
lol yes I’ll admit it I finally broke -.-
@ wingedlion (btw cool name)
That makes no sense. It could be extrapolated that a confident Ganondorf/Ganon who had conquered everything and then some wouldn’t depend on the complete Triforce to defeat Link, seeing as if he used it would have to labor to reassemble it. Call it PIS/CIS (both really) but the fact that he didn’t use doesn’t negate the fact that he had it and COULD have used it. As this is a battle to the death there would be no compunctions against using the “haha fuck you I win” button, so to speak. Your Dante analogy is flawed as he probably WOULD start picking up other weapons and kicking ass with them. Style is the rule of cool for him (even denoted by points and DMC3 gameplay). Not being a dick just saying lol.
@CC
Yep. WoT is one of my favorite series. Way better than Goodkind’s trash lol
@Primux
For some infuriatingly convulted reason or another, I couldn’t finish the 1st novel, the Eye of the World, try as I might. T_T’
I don’t even understand why I didn’t succeed at the task, either!
Perrin is formidable, I will not lie about this, though.
@Primus
Why lurk for so long?
Given how his soul took a massive influx of light and darkness strong enough to destroy a castle, I’d say even his soul is immortal unless struck by a certain blade that everyone thinks is a no limits fallacy.
@CC
If you want you can pm me and we’ll discuss the series. I’d rather not clutter factpile, especially threads that have nothing to do with the series or its characters. But yes, Perrin doesn’t get the love he deserves lol,
@NZ
I honestly don’t know. I already feel “past my prime”. As AHEM put on a separate thread, I don’t know most of the people that are appearing. lol I feel old. Regardless I love the pile and I might as well give instead of just taking.
@ Zolanius
not necessarily. I don’t believe his soul is immortal as his skill set makes him NIGH immortal. Case in point, I believe Rand could permanently end Ganondorf without the fabled blade. He has an soul erasing Satan-can’t-save-you magic. I honestly know nothing about Kefka minus what’s been provided here and vs. the SOLDIER god.
@Primus
I’d accept that offer sometime, I’d even send you the E-mail address if you P.M me for it.
You’re not the only one who’s feeling that he’d sooner be past his debating prime either, and I have better odds of knowing some of the newcoming fighters in here than you may have, nowadays.(I hope that ain’t bragging on my part, either!)
Doesn’t matter what it took, can it protect itself against a spell design to neutralize souls.
Given how the attack came from an artifact that even the deities of the game feared, I’d say its more than capable of soul slaying. Just a fraction obliterated Zant who was borrowing from Ganondorf’s power.
@ Omegami
I don’t see why not. He was even able to split a fraction of his soul off, create a puppet master wizard out of it, and slip it through a barrier the friggin’ SAGES made to keep him in the sacred/dark world to unlock said barrier. He can definitely manipulate his own soul, so what’s stopping him from creating phantom ganondorfs with slivers of his soul? Kefka would have to face a group of nigh invincible demigods
@ zolanius
True, but most games you need the sword in CONJUNCTION with another weapon, i.e. silver/light arrows. as OA posted on another thread (sadly I can’t recall which) most of the end fights require a “one-two punch” as it were.
Just food for thought, but FF6 magic doesn’t ultimately come from Espers; it comes from the Warring Triad. The same Warring Triad whose powers Kefka absorbs. God-Kefka’s magic does indeed come from himself. That’s why when he dies, all magic disappears. He is literally the source of all magic in FF6.
Just thought I’d throw it out there, since the argument seems to be that Kefka can’t screw with Ganondorf’s magic since it’s not an internalized magic system.
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Someone asked earlier if Kefka was a planet buster? He’s not, but he is capable of rearranging the face of the planet, including splitting continents in half. I even posted a video for it earlier.
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As for the Light of Judgement not being impressive: this may have just been a limit of the graphics at the time, but it’s a cinematic and therefore not game mechanics, but the explosions it was causing were about the same size as that village that briefly shows up in that video I posted. That body of water it was sweeping across so quickly? That was an ocean. And Kefka doesn’t need to sweep it somewhere to use it, he can just call it down like he does against Gestahl on the Floating Continent or Tzen in the World of Ruin. Unless Ganondorf is a lightning-timer (if he is, I question whoever posted the match), he’s not going to be able to dodge it. And Kefka is ridiculously accurate with it too (he can pick out a single house in a town on the other side of the continent and hit it square on).
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As for Ganondorf being a spirit, there’s stuff in FF6 that are basically just ghosts and other sorts of incorporeal undead, and magic works just fine on them (including destroying them). I see no reason why Kefka couldn’t continue blasting Ganondorf with magic even after his body has been pulverized and destroy him then too.
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As for TK, I think holding up an entire continent (especially considering how high it was) is slightly better than holding up a castle. True, it wasn’t actually Kefka who pulled this off, but Gestahl did it using a small amount of the Warring Triad’s power (which kefka absorbed a very short time later), and after maybe a few hours practice. Kefka’s had his God Powers for more than a year. I see no reason why we can’t assume he can replicate this feat.
@primus
“That makes no sense. It could be extrapolated that a confident Ganondorf/Ganon who had conquered everything and then some wouldn’t depend on the complete Triforce to defeat Link, seeing as if he used it would have to labor to reassemble it. Call it PIS/CIS (both really) but the fact that he didn’t use doesn’t negate the fact that he had it and COULD have used it.”
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im not saying that if ganondorf had the triforce that he wouldnt use it. im saying that its not standard equipment because he had it in another room. he did not carry it. it may have been within his castle, but he didnt have it on him personally. its not something he himself usually carries, therefore it is not standard equipment.
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“Your Dante analogy is flawed as he probably WOULD start picking up other weapons and kicking ass with them. Style is the rule of cool for him (even denoted by points and DMC3 gameplay). Not being a dick just saying lol.”
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you see that’s the thing. the fight isnt in ganondorf’s castle. its in a neutral area. unlike dante, ganondorf is not going to pick up the triforce because its not lying around randomly. he cant carry it with him, because its not standard equipment.
“I see no reason why we can’t assume he can replicate this feat.”
Cuz uh….ya need proof?
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Anyway, Ganondorf can TK Kefka.
@Zazax
Not to call you out on what you’re saying in regards to Kefka using the Warring Triad’s abilities as his own since he has their powers, but this was the very same argument for Kratos as the God of War. Many times pilers stated that Ares’ feats were irrelavent to Kratos since mantle doesn’t equal proficiency/ability. Gestahl using power from the warring Triad doesn’t constitue a feat for Kefka unless Kefka did it as well, just as having the power for a year doesn’t constitue knowing every aspect of said power. Regardless he’s pretty awesome if he can snipe with his LoJ lol.
“you see that’s the thing. the fight isnt in ganondorf’s castle.”
Ok, you can’t read. You’re illiterate.
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TRY to read the OP and you’ll see that’s EXACTLY where this fight is taking place.
“Ok, you can’t read. You’re illiterate.
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TRY to read the OP and you’ll see that’s EXACTLY where this fight is taking place.”
ganon’s castle is hyrule’s castle?
“ganon’s castle is hyrule’s castle?”
For basically all of Twilight Princess, yes it is. He took that castle right the fuck over.
“For basically all of Twilight Princess, yes it is. He took that castle right the fuck over.”
is that the same castle that has the triforce?
In Ocarina of Time, somewhat yes.
In Twilight Princess, Yes.
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I thought the triforce could be stored.
post 257 was a response to 254
a friend just emailed this to me
oi42.tinypic.com/iclht4.jpg
apparently the current version of castle hyrule is not twilight princess or ocarina of time.
“because its not standard equipment.”
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“Standard equipment” generally applies to a chronological series, during which a character’s equipment can change. Considering that Ganondorf is a final boss in a fragmented series, “Composite Form” overrules “Standard Equipment”.
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@The Use of Doom
Saying that Kefka can just cast “Doom” and auto-kill someone is probably wrong. If I am not mistaken, the spell has the ability to “Miss”, indicating that something is launched. It is likely a game mechanic.
“off topic, but why didn’t ganondorf use the triforce to kill link.”
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LttP Manual on the Master Sword:
“Suspecting that Ganon’s power was based on the Triforce’s magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce. This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil’s bane, or the Master Sword.”
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The Master Sword protects Link from the Triforce’s magic. Notably it contains a blessing from the same goddesses that created the Triforce, which holds only a fraction of their power.
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“is that the same castle that has the triforce?”
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In the Adult Timeline (WW/PH > ST) the Triforce left from the top of Ganon’s Tower and was never seen again (ending of WW).
In the Child Timeline the Triforce was lost when OoT Link returned to the past with the Triforce of Courage. This caused the “divine prank” and seperated the ToC, ToW, and ToP to Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf. With Ganondorf dead at the end of TP, and his reincarnation not having the ToP, it is likely, however unconfirmed, that the Triforce was re-esembled and placed back under the care of the Royal Family.
In the Decline timeline (lttp>Oox>LA>LoZ>AoL) the Triforce was taken from the Pyramid of Power (where the final battle took place) and placed in a room in Hyrule Castle (seen in the intro to Oracles). Later split up by one of the Kings to prevent his son from abusing it, this lead to Sleeping Zelda. It remained split till the end of AoL where it was once again completed in North Castle, which appears to be the only castle in Hyrule at the time.
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Yeah, saying the battlefield is “Hyrule Castle” isn’t really saying much. Current Incarnation (that is to say, “last released game that had Hyrule Castle in it”) would be Spirit Tracks, and those Hyruleans don’t even worship the goddesses anymore. They follow the spirits of good, and the Triforce is gone and probably forgotten completely.
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And as a last tid bit.
OoT: Ganon’s Tower is built from the ruins of Hyrule Castle after he took it over.
TP: Ganon took over Hyrule Castle.
WW: Ganon’s Tower is near Hyrule Castle. He also has his Forsaken Fortress.
LttP: Ganon’s Tower is in another dimension from Hyrule Casle and his tower is on his realms version of Death Mountain rather than where the Pyramid of Power is, which overlays where Hyrule Castle is.
LoZ: Ganon’s Fortress is half a nation away from North Castle. There is no propper Hyrule Castle in LoZ and AoL.
Oracles: completely different country and Ganon is dead most of the time. Twinrova’s hide-out is never found and shown only in cutscenes that keep the player informed on their ne’erdowelling.
“Saying that Kefka can just cast “Doom” and auto-kill someone is probably wrong. If I am not mistaken, the spell has the ability to “Miss”, indicating that something is launched. It is likely a game mechanic.”
It misses not because it’s launched, it’s a status spell that sometimes doesn’t trigger correctly, magics in FF6 never miss, most of them are not even thrown.
For example, the vanish spell makes the target go invisible thus making physical contact not possible, but magics work fine.
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“Anyway, Ganondorf can TK Kefka.”
TK vs TK.
Kefka can also Warp out if necessary, Stop last enough for Kefka to rain down Doom, Stone and many other bad status that ignore even if you are a soul.
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“Gestahl using power from the warring Triad doesn’t constitue a feat for Kefka unless Kefka did it as well, just as having the power for a year doesn’t constitue knowing every aspect of said power. Regardless he’s pretty awesome if he can snipe with his LoJ lol.”
This is nothing like God of War.
If Gestahl was keeping the continent floating, then who was doing it after Kefka got the power from the warring triad and killed Gestahl?
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“Kefka would have to face a group of nigh invincible demigods.”
His powers are not unlimited, if he splits himself in half the they both have half of the original power, if Ganon does so he will be risking loosing a side permanently, so he won’t be fighting at full potential, instead making an army of weaker souls that will fall one at a time.
And we know Kefka can banish souls with his magic.
“you see that’s the thing. the fight isnt in ganondorf’s castle. its in a neutral area. unlike dante, ganondorf is not going to pick up the triforce because its not lying around randomly. he cant carry it with him, because its not standard equipment.”
You aren’t making ANY sense at all. In EVERY DMC game, you could get all the Devil arms and NEVER canoniucally use them. It never shows Dante use them in a cutscene, unless it is a recently unlocked Devil Arm, and he “practices” with it. Then, if you so choose, you never see that Devil Arm again. Does that mean he didn’t have possession of them? NO. We clearly saw that he had possession of them. It’s not a very difficult concept to grasp.
We don’t know that he is weakened by creating Phantoms. Be don’t know that he isn’t either. But with full Triforce in hand, wouldn’t that mean he really could create an army?
How does Kefka do against mind control? Aganihm was able to corrupt all the soldiers and control them.
“.wouldn’t that mean he really could create an army?”
Or he could go the Ol’ fashion, “I wish Kefka were dead” route. Or, “I wish Kefka was BFR’D” route.
“You aren’t making ANY sense at all. In EVERY DMC game, you could get all the Devil arms and NEVER canoniucally use them. It never shows Dante use them in a cutscene, unless it is a recently unlocked Devil Arm, and he “practices” with it. Then, if you so choose, you never see that Devil Arm again. Does that mean he didn’t have possession of them? NO. We clearly saw that he had possession of them. It’s not a very difficult concept to grasp.”
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except that we know dante’s weapons are on him. we know he is constantly carrying those weapons. we have not seen ganondorf constantly with the triforce on him. they were in different rooms. he does not carry them.
“except that we know dante’s weapons are on him. we know he is constantly carrying those weapons. we have not seen ganondorf constantly with the triforce on him. they were in different rooms. he does not carry them.”
…. *facepalm* Except that we KNOW Ganon had it in his posession, as it was in the other room! Just because you may be in YOUR room, and one of your shirts is in the laundry room DOES NOT MEAN YOU DON’T HAVE POSSESSION OVER THAT SHIRT.
@PooperScooperi8
Something tells me that negligence isn’t a good thing when it comes to studying Gannondorf, isn’t it?*
1.) (Not accusing you of it, JSYK in case anyone tries to accuse me, I just wanted to note on whether or not its noted!)
“…. *facepalm* Except that we KNOW Ganon had it in his posession, as it was in the other room! Just because you may be in YOUR room, and one of your shirts is in the laundry room DOES NOT MEAN YOU DON’T HAVE POSSESSION OVER THAT SHIRT.”
that is a terrible comparison. my shirts are something that i casually were everyday. i always owned my shirts and i constantly had them in my possession. the triforce was something the ganondorf obtained for a short amount of time and is not a casual item that he constantly had. its like saying i own a car that belongs to someone else simply because i drove it for a day.
Throwing this out there, but the one time that Ganon definitively split his soul apart was also THE MOST POWERFUL version of Ganon.
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WW and TP Ganon were killed by Light Arrows fallowed by the Master Sword. The WW Master Sword was restored to OoT-level Evil’s Bane. TP Master Sword was enhanced by the Twilight Sols making it moderately more powerful.
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LttP Ganon had to be weakened by the Master Sword then killed with the Silver Arrows. He was IMMUNE to OoT-level Master Sword unless it was used in a Great Spin Attack. It took the Golden Sword (four times more powerful than OoT-level Master Sword) just to stun him and leave him vulnerable for Silver Arrows.
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LoZ Ganon is LttP Ganon after an offscreen resurection. He was severly weakened as he could be stunned by a mere wooden sword if used often enough, but the Magical Sword was much more effective. Still took Silver Arrows to kill him though.
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Oracles Ganon (a failed ressurection of LttP Ganon; not the same resurection into LoZ Ganon… probably) was weak enough to be reduced down to lower than OoT-Level Ganon. Light Arrows and Silver Arrows weren’t needed, but a regular sword had to be used with a Great Spin Attack. The Master Sword worked normally.
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So in terms of durability power:
LttP Ganon > TP Ganon > OoT Ganon > WW Ganon > LoZ Ganon > Oracles Ganon.
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Not sure where FSA Ganon goes. He was sealed much like OoT Ganon, but it was a weaker sword that sealed him away and few Light Arrows. Between WW and LoZ Ganons maybe?
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I say OoT > WW because OoT Ganon took more punishment and still lived through it all. … that said WW Ganon was sealed in time so he might not actually be dead… and he hasn’t reincarnated either… and he did survive the world flooding so maybe I’m wrong to say OoT Ganon > WW Ganon. Eh *shrug*
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So… Ganon getting weaker by splitting his soul is highly unlikely since he was at his strongest when he did that.
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And if we are going with the “The entire Triforce was in the other room the whole time” deal than LttP Ganon didn’t even have the Triforce of Power despite being the hardest incarnation to put down. And spliting his soul.
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Even if the entire Triforce isn’t standard equipment the Triforce of Power is. He carried it within his metaphorical hand for the majority of OoT, WW, TP and LoZ. Since he carried it between OoT and WW and OoT and TP that means that within two seperate timeline he carried this item for over a century in each. I’d say that means he keeps it for the fight.
“that is a terrible comparison. my shirts are something that i casually were everyday. i always owned my shirts and i constantly had them in my possession. the triforce was something the ganondorf obtained for a short amount of time and is not a casual item that he constantly had. its like saying i own a car that belongs to someone else simply because i drove it for a day.”
This is also a terrible comparison. I’ll continue on with the shirt example. Let’s say you get a new shirt. Now, because you have only had it for a short time, you don’t own it. Nope. That’s wonderful logic.
Coulda sworn somebody said Ganon held onto the Triforce for a good while. Can’t remember who, but still. Also, would the scenario call for any monsters? Since this shows that Ganondorf was successful, there must be monsters nearby, right?
One last thing. Are we including ALL incarnations? As in… Where Ganondorf incarnated from?
“This is also a terrible comparison. I’ll continue on with the shirt example. Let’s say you get a new shirt. Now, because you have only had it for a short time, you don’t own it. Nope. That’s wonderful logic.”
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did i keep the shirt or did i throw it away. if its the latter, then its no longer mine because i gave up ownership on it. ganondorf only used the triforce for a very short amount of time and never bothered with it again. he never kept it on itself. therefore its not standard equipment.
“he never kept it on itself”
i meant himself.
“did i keep the shirt or did i throw it away. if its the latter, then its no longer mine because i gave up ownership on it. ganondorf only used the triforce for a very short amount of time and never bothered with it again. he never kept it on itself. therefore its not standard equipment.”
WELL, seeing as how the Triforce was in the room next to him, it’s pretty dang obvious he didn’t throw it away. Wanna know why he didn’t bother with it again? PIS. Giving the main bad guy a toy to do ANYTHING he wants with, is generally a bad way to start off a story. The shirt is still yours, EVEN if you don’t wear it. You can grab it when you need it. The same applies here. Just with heavy PIS. It’s not that difficult to grasp…
Ganondorf gets to have the Triforce. The Triforce says at the ending of ALttP:
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“But now you have totally destroyed Ganon. His Dark World will vanish. The Triforce is waiting for a new owner. Its Golden Power is in your hands… Now touch it with a wish in your heart.”
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Thus, Ganondorf owned the Triforce throughout the game.
“WELL, seeing as how the Triforce was in the room next to him, it’s pretty dang obvious he didn’t throw it away.”
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doesn’t matter. the fact is he did not have it on him and therefore isn’t standard equipment.
Wow, wingedlion is STILL going on about the Triforce? Gawd damn…..
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Well anyway, what’s stopping Ganondorf from tearing Kefka apart with TK strong enough to crumble castles?
“Well anyway, what’s stopping Ganondorf from tearing Kefka apart with TK strong enough to crumble castles?”
cast stop, then light of judgement.
“Well anyway, what’s stopping Ganondorf from tearing Kefka apart with TK strong enough to crumble castles?”
The fact that Kefka has stronger TK, Warp, Doom and lightning fast magic.
Some people seem to be ignoring some post in Kefka’s favor.
“doesn’t matter. the fact is he did not have it on him and therefore isn’t standard equipment”
HE. HAD. ACCESS. TO. IT. THE. WHOLE. GAME. What are you not understanding? Standard Equiptment Rule: Fighters have access to any equipment in their latest incarnation.
Composite rule: Fighter(s) are a combination of all their past forms.
IN OTHER WORDS. Ganon from LttP had access to the Trifroce THE WHOLE DANG GAME. He gets to use it. End of story.
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*Standard Equipment Rule: Fighters have access to any equipment they have access to in their latest incarnation.
“HE. HAD. ACCESS. TO. IT. THE. WHOLE. GAME. What are you not understanding?”
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did he carry it with him at all times? otherwise it does not matter.
*DOUBLE EDIT (lol)
*Standard Equipment Rule: Fighters have access to any equipment in their possession.
The Triforce was clearly shown, to be in Ganons possession. It may have been in the next room, however, evidence shows he could have used it when he needed/wanted to. Due to PIS, he did not.
was the triforce in his possession from beginning to end?
“did he carry it with him at all times? otherwise it does not matter.”
Yeah, actually, it does.
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Let’s go back to your Dante example. It’s widely accepted that he has access to ALL HIS DEMON ARMS in a debate. BECAUSE. HE KEEPS THEM. They aren’t on him at all times. Your logic makes no sense, AT ALL.
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Back to the shirt example; I purchased a shirt. I’m not constantly wearing it all of the time, so it’s not mine. I just barely purchased it, so it’s not mine, I’ve only wore it once, and I haven’t worn it since, so it’s not mine.
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I fail to see the logic there.
“It’s widely accepted that he has access to ALL HIS DEMON ARMS in a debate”
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no its not. in fact people are always saying that dante only has rebellion, evory and ivory, and whatever weapons and items that he gains and carries for the rest of the game. dante never gets all his weapons in the series.
“cast stop, then light of judgement.”
Wonderful, now how will Ganondorf give a shit?
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“The fact that Kefka has stronger TK, Warp, Doom and lightning fast magic.”
By “lighting fast”, you just mean “that looks pretty fast to me” right? Also, Doom is useless, please don’t mention it anymore.
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“Some people seem to be ignoring some post in Kefka’s favor.”
Oh the irony….
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“HE. HAD. ACCESS. TO. IT. THE. WHOLE. GAME. What are you not understanding? Standard Equiptment Rule: Fighters have access to any equipment in their latest incarnation.
Composite rule: Fighter(s) are a combination of all their past forms.
IN OTHER WORDS. Ganon from LttP had access to the Trifroce THE WHOLE DANG GAME. He gets to use it. End of story.”
Wingedlion clearly won’t settle for anything less then Ganondorf having carried the Triforce on a little key chain dangling from his belt for the entire series.
“Wonderful, now how will Ganondorf give a shit?”
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magic in ff6 has hurt spirits before. if need be he can destroy his soul. or petrify him, since you still havent shown he can control or eject his entire soul unless his body is destroyed.
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“By “lighting fast”, you just mean “that looks pretty fast to me” right?”
considering light of judgement was able to snipe a house from across the planet, do you have any proof that he can dodge that speed?
“no its not. in fact people are always saying that dante only has rebellion, evory and ivory, and whatever weapons and items that he gains and carries for the rest of the game. dante never gets all his weapons in the series.”
You clearly haven’t been here long.
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“magic in ff6 has hurt spirits before. if need be he can destroy his soul. or petrify him, since you still havent shown he can control or eject his entire soul unless his body is destroyed.”
Wrong. OriginalA already proved, that not only could he project his soul, but he could also send it to different dimensions. He took it one step higher.
“Wonderful, now how will Ganondorf give a shit?”
This answer isn’t quit useful.
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“By “lighting fast”, you just mean “that looks pretty fast to me” right? Also, Doom is useless, please don’t mention it anymore.”
It does seem lightning fast.
Why is Doom useless?
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Oh the irony….
I being through the replies and I don’t see one that counters Kefka’s magic, how can you assume they are not being ignored if your not giving a direct reply about them?
“You clearly haven’t been here long.”
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if you think im wrong then show me a dante match were even without the op dante still had his weapons.
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“Wrong. OriginalA already proved, that not only could he project his soul, but he could also send it to different dimensions. He took it one step higher.”
original a only showed that ganondorf can only eject part of his soul(unless i missed one of his posts).
“Wrong. OriginalA already proved, that not only could he project his soul, but he could also send it to different dimensions. He took it one step higher.”
If Ganon splits himself in half, does the two souls now have the same power as the original, or is it splitting the power?
“Why is Doom useless?”
Due to the fact, that as long as the Twilight Realm exists, Ganon can refurbish his body on the fly? Go for it. Kill him. Oops. He’s back now.
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“Oh the irony…I being through the replies and I don’t see one that counters Kefka’s magic, how can you assume they are not being ignored if your not giving a direct reply about them?”
Speaking of irony, how can you assume Doom will kill Ganon in any way, shape, or form? When he shows the ability to regenerate from unexistence.
“When he shows the ability to regenerate from unexistence.”
when was this. he regenerated from full obliteration, but non existence? proof?
“If Ganon splits himself in half, does the two souls now have the same power as the original, or is it splitting the power?”
Not sure. Doesn’t really matter from where I’m standing, G-Man gets petrified, Agahnim (the split part of Ganons soul), breaks Ganon free, and rejoins his body.
“when was this. he regenerated from full obliteration, but non existence? proof?”
Figure of speech. I apologize on that part. He recovered gained a body, with no physical to use to create said body. Killing him doesn’t really matter, given the scenario.
“Agahnim (the split part of Ganons soul), breaks Ganon free, and rejoins his body.”
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in ff6 magic can destroy spirits, therefore i don’t see why he cant destroy agahnim or banish him.
“Speaking of irony, how can you assume Doom will kill Ganon in any way, shape, or form? When he shows the ability to regenerate from unexistence.”
His soul is what does that, Doom has nothing to do to the body, when Doom counter reaches Zero, it doesn’t do 9999HP damage, it flat out destroys the soul of the victim, in some FFs Doom is represented by “a sort of grim alike demon thingy” that rips the souls out of the victim and destroys it.
Doom is treated as a spiritual thing and not a heart stopper or the like.
Besides, FF magic is effectively capable of neutralizing souls, spirits, ghost and many of the like.
The only thing Ganon seems to have going for him is the fact that his a soul that can regenerate a body out of nothing, as for the FF side, they have magic to deal with that.
“magic in ff6 has hurt spirits before. if need be he can destroy his soul. or petrify him, since you still havent shown he can control or eject his entire soul unless his body is destroyed.”
How powerful were these spirits? Could they survive attacks that have broken they’re own castle sized magical barriers and come out completely unharmed and with the attacker of said spirit even more worse off? As for the “eject his spirit” thing, you really do seem to be reaching almost autistic levels of ass pulling with the “ghosts can be turned to stone” thing and the Triforce thing. But if it satisfies you, Ganondorf could send a part of his soul (aka Agahnim) out to zap either the stone or Kefka himself with some lightning. Agahnim loved zapping stuff. But even if THAT’S not good enough for you, Ganondorf can make his body go from physical to non-physical Twilight particles, rendering the Stone spell useless. Or he could, ya know, turn invisible and intangible and shit.
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“considering light of judgement was able to snipe a house from across the planet, do you have any proof that he can dodge that speed?”
I find it funny how you think the Light of Judgement would even do anything.
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“Why is Doom useless?”
Assuming if it even would work on Ganondorf, the dude just makes another body. This is the guy that having a holy sword of light through his body only amused after all.