Suggested By Xeno Dementio
The scenario- Having destroyed his own world in his ‘fun’, Kefka has moved on to the next, which happens to be the land of Hyrule.
Having laud waste to the lands and inhabitants, there is but one left to oppose him: the Dark King of Evil Ganondorf.
Battlefield is a halfway destroyed Hyrule Castle.
Ganondorf is a composite of all his canon appearances.
Kefka is at full power and final form.
Who wins this duel of the fates?
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Because I see ‘Dorf more here, initial bet is on him.
Kind of leaning twoard Kefka. He’s a causal town buster in his base form
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I also have a Mach 3500+ God Kefka calc if anyones interested
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Also would the Triforce be subject to Kefka, the god of magic?
I forget, did any canon incarnation of Ganondorf have the full Triforce? With this scenario, it sounds like he would’ve been successful in acquiring it. Then there’s the Trident of Darkness if that’s canon. Then the phantoms, and seemingly limitless elemental resistances, but that one might be a No-Limits fallacy. Finally, there’s the “Evil’s Bane” issue.
“Finally, there’s the “Evil’s Bane” issue.”
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Which is a massive no limit fallacy
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Anyways, I hear Kefka can fire an “ocean carving death ray”. Light of Judgement amirite? Which I hear is at least a multi-town+ busting attack or so
Evils Bane is NLF.
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Provide the strongest example of an attack that it has negated. That is it’s limit.
Well Ganondorf can survive the heat death of the universe seeing as thats not evils bane :maybe
Gotta go with Kefka on this one. He can fly, and has the Light of Judgement. The Light of Judgement is capable of demolishing buildings at absolute mimimum (from across the continent, no less), and Kefka has ruined entire towns with it. It may or may not also be responsible for completely reshaping the face of the world via busting continents open, slicing through oceans, raising and levelling mountains, etc. Even if it’s not, the power that did is also now at Kefka’s command (the Warring Triad, if anyone doesn’t knnow/is interested).
He’s also a capable melee fighter, besting General Leo (the Gestahlian Empire’s ‘best’ soldier) in single combat, and has decent durability (was run completely through by Celes before gaining his god powers and treated it as a minor annoyance).
He’s got a lot of ‘standard’ magic as well, having… eaten… a dozen or so Espers, and having undergone the procedure to become a Magitek Knight (which is what made his crazy in the first place). He’s also apparently of creating tangible, magic-capable illusions of himself (as seen in his fight with Leo), which might be trouble.
And then there’s the fact that he’s totally batshit crazy. He’s like the Joker on speed.
He’s got an awesome theme song, too.
“He’s got an awesome theme song, too.”
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Indeed
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I also have a Mach 14 calc for Terra if anyone’s interested :maybe (Kefka should be superior to Terra)
Ganon can fly too. And he’s survived dragon fire at almost point-blank. Which helps the elemental resistance thing. Din’s Fire does nothing, but I’m not sure what to compare that spell to.
Would possession be possible?
“Would possession be possible?”
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Possession only worked on Zelda because her soul wasn’t in her body at the time. Thus theres no conrete proof he can possess a body that has a soul within it
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*still tempted to post the Mach 14 calc I found*
Lol that picture of Kefka has too many wings…..
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Any questions or requests for Scenario and condition changes?
Gonna have to lean towards Kefka on this one. He’s just such a good villain. Sure I might be biased but.. so what?
And Hitman you misspelled my username again.
Wouldn’t be proper to change anything if one at full power is stronger than another at full power. If Ganondorf has the Triforce, a wish granting artifact, then he might have it.
“Gonna have to lean towards Kefka on this one. He’s just such a good villain”
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But- but- but Ganondorf can only be harmed with evils bane!!1!!11!!2!!
Can Ganon tank a casual city destroying weapon constantly?
I was joking about that. But I think OriginalA said that the attack that destroyed Ganondorf’s castle in TP destroyed his physical form or something and that he was able to rebuild his body or something. But since we don’t see what happens to him during that scene, for all we know he could have gone intangiable. Fuck if I know for sure
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But as far as feats go, a city buster would shred him casually
He hasn’t shown it. The series just talks about how he’s immortal and can only be defeated blah blah blah Master Sword blah blah he’s only been sealed, never killed blah.
Not to mention Kefka is quite literally a God of Magic.
That counts for something.
I know there are some LoZ fans about who’d love to give ol’ Gman a case… Let’s hope they show
OBD has him at Massively Hypersonic and Continent Busting, would you know anything about that Stealth?
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I looked at the speed calc and it seemed legit, but do you have any idea where Continent busting comes from?
Its possible to kill Ganondorf, but the minimum requirements to pull it off normally require someone Anti-heroic at minimum to do this, and even then it requires mystic powers of some kind or another to succeed.
It doesn’t necessarily have to be in the form of a physical weapon either, although holy weapons are the most obvious.
IB says this is gonna take a while.
Well if the OBD is correct and Kefka has Continental feats then that’ll enable him to rip Ganondorf to shreds.
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Even if he isn’t, Massively Hypersonic attacks say he will tag Ganondorf each and every single time he fires. So he can wear him down with continuous attacks.
@StealthRanger:
“I also have a Mach 3500+ God Kefka calc if anyones interested”
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I question these numbers, and mostly any inflated number.
Aaaaand, this is a composite Ganondorf. -.-
Composite big G had the full Triforce in lttp, plus the trident, went intangible, and idk if it matters but when moving visibly had after images and seemed intangible. Just a thought
Composite big G had the full Triforce in lttp, plus the trident, went invisible, and idk if it matters but when moving visibly had after images and seemed intangible. Just a little food for thought
Can Ganons own brand of dark magic harm Kefka in God mode? I know there was a question in Kefka bs Sephiroth about whether or not Materia would affect him….
I also have a Mach 3500+ God Kefka calc if anyones interested
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You got it from OBD right? I don’t believe nothing they say because they use stupid pixel scaling to determine stuff and its 99% of the time incorrect.
“I forget, did any canon incarnation of Ganondorf have the full Triforce?”
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ALttP had Ganondorf using the Trifiorce and becoming Ganon, I believe the whole game was about Link getting it back.
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“Which is a massive no limit fallacy”
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How? Its shown to work in games. Ganondorf dies to a non holy thing, he comes back. Dies to holy weapon and reincarnates. Whats the problem?
Never trust OBD.
If someone need it, here’s Kefka battle from FF6:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cLFd5ueQPM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLYe_dgMCX4&feature=channel&list=UL
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI7i4UNsDds&feature=channel&list=UL
As stated before, Ganondorf had the full Triforce in LttP, which was stated to grant any wish. Why he didn’t use it to defeat Link leaves two options: it can only grant one wish per person or PIS. I’m pretty sure he could go intangible in LttP, too, so that may help.
Can kefka affect intangible people? aelfinn and I have both stated he could go intangible. Plus he was able to disappear in shadows coupled with the above ability
Doesn’t Ganondorf have a nigh-instant regen going by his TP incarnation? I recall reading that in one of his debates, maybe it was vs Kratos or vs Superman.
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If it’s true, Ganondorf can survive at least a home buster and as Envoy said, holy weapons can kill him but normal ones can only damage him.
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Also, I’m with Dryn, OBD is not to be taken with a bag load of salt on what they say a lot of the time.
@Aelfinn:
“As stated before, Ganondorf had the full Triforce in LttP, which was stated to grant any wish. Why he didn’t use it to defeat Link leaves two options: it can only grant one wish per person or PIS.”
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Interesting.
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“I’m pretty sure he could go intangible in LttP, too, so that may help.”
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Ganondorf never demonstrated this in an outside location. I forgot what he calls it, but he makes the room dark, and Link has to light up the torches to see Ganondorf. It makes me think all Ganondorf is doing is hiding in the dark.
what about holy magic, couldn’t Kefka blast him with that?
@ proto
You can see the floor and walls so maybe he’s melding into shadows? He’s still unable to be hurt while like this so i’m guessing the intangible factor is probably in play.
@topaz
Maybe. Light sages, light arrows, and such mess him up. Are these things “holy” or “light”? There’s a big difference
It could be more along the lines of he’s just merged with the shadows. I could see the arrows being holy weapons, if we go by Twilight princess, bestowed by the gods to banish evil and the such. I was mostly asking in regards to the spell Holy though in and of itself.
@PrimusxPilus:
“You can see the floor and walls so maybe he’s melding into shadows?”
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Yes, you can. If Ganondorf melded into the shadows, I don’t think one torch would be enough to light the entire room for Ganondorf to reappear.
“He’s still unable to be hurt while like this so i’m guessing the intangible factor is probably in play.”
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Unlike Link, who has demonstrated the ability to walk on spikes when wearing the Magic Cape, Ganondorf has not shown this. Even if that made Ganondorf intangible, I don’t see it working here, since he’s not in a dark area.
On TP Hyrule Castle exploding:
Obviously nobody knows exactly what caused it. What did happen was that Ganon was in his “floating fire-head” spirit form and Midna struck at him with an extremely powerful magically enhanced weapon. This is after Link destroyed his body. Zelda and Link are teleported away before hand.
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Zelda and Link land in Hyrule field. Hyrule Castle explodes a few seconds later. As the dust is setteling Ganondorf appears in the middle of the field in his human body. He teleported a rather decent distance (at least a good minute at a full run) and completely regenerated his body, all in a few seconds. Oh, and he also defeated Midna at the same time since he is holding her magic hat and she is implied to be dead.
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Whether or not he caused the castle to explode or she did is entirely unknown. What is known is he survived it; she did not, and he stuck around long enough to take something from her afterwards.
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On Ganon’s intangibility:
In LttP he had his “Darkness Technique” which removed light sources from a sealed room and rendered him intangible and invisable. Even in low light situations he would retain intangibility even though he was occasionally visable now. Only in full light would he revert to damagable.
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Notably, Ganon is invisable at all times in LoZ until he is struck. It appears to be a varient of the same technique but it loses the intangibility for not removing light.
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Also of note: TP Ganon was not shown to have an intangiblitiy move with the exception of deviding himself up into twilight-magic particles. This move is not shown during the castle busting scene.
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On Ganon and the Triforce in LttP:
It is implied, through retcon, that Ganon only recently recovered the Triforce. WW shows that the Triforce leaves when a wish is placed on it. Ganon is never shown to actually have the Triforce within or on him in LttP; it is one of the few encounters where he isn’t actually drawing power directly from the Triforce; he is also arguablly the strongest incarnation of Ganon.
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Almost all spells do no damage to Ganon. These spell range from throwing a body-sized fireball (or ice ball, or “magic” ball) to causing several explosions across a rather large area (one “screen” in lttp; really rough guess is say… 50 square feet?).
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If “Holy” or “Light” magic is elementally opposite of “Dark” or “Evil” magic that would be super effective against him though. That said, LttP Ganon could shrug off the Master Sword unless Link either powered it up for a Spin Attack or upgraded it to the Golden Sword (functually 4 times more powerful than the original Master Sword).
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More later.
Well, I’m open to the idea of Ganondorf merging with darkness. I don’t see why he would give it a name if all he was doing was playing hide and go seek in the dark.
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If Ganondorf does hide in the shadows, there’s nothing keeping Kefka from destroying the rest of the castle to reveal Ganondorf’s location.
“If Ganondorf does hide in the shadows, there’s nothing keeping Kefka from destroying the rest of the castle to reveal Ganondorf’s location.”
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You mean, of course, except for the fact that Ganon can maintain invisibility at all times (LoZ)?
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Lttp’s Darkness Technique just made him unable to be hurt while in the dark, while invisable. Oh, and he is intangible during this technique. Link moves right through him in low-light (where you can occasionally see him) and so too does his Silver Arrows. And Ganon is transparent during this time too. It is only in full light does he become solid and harmable.
All right, so Ganondorf can render himself invisible. That’s good enough for me.
” It is only in full light does he become solid and harmable”
You mean like… Uh. The LIGHT OF JUDGEMENT?
“You mean like… Uh. The LIGHT OF JUDGEMENT?”
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Are you going to continue that thought or just assume I know what you are talking about?
I mean Kefka could use the LOJ to destroy the rest of the castle, exposing Ganon to sunlight.
Unless the light itself is enough.
The area is the entirety of Hyrule. Ganondorf is able to create an “Endless Night” ((Wind Waker)). So the invisibility and intangibility is not limited to just a castle or tower. Add to that his teleportation, he can almost be anywhere he wants, I believe he can be where he wants.
Whoops, misread. Yeah, just the castle.
@Zolanius:
“The area is the entirety of Hyrule. Ganondorf is able to create an “Endless Night” ((Wind Waker)).”
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Perhaps.
Does anyone have any ideas of what Ganondorf could do to harm Kefka?
If the castle is destroyed but Ganon is still alive, does the fight continue? Because if it just opens up the rest of Hyrule… If not, I vote that the battlefield be changed to the entirety of Hyrule.
“Lttp’s Darkness Technique just made him unable to be hurt while in the dark, while invisable. Oh, and he is intangible during this technique.”
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When he throws his trident (even in full light), he can create after-images, disappear, and reappear (I think). He is unable to be harmed during this transit.
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“It is implied, through retcon, that Ganon only recently recovered the Triforce. WW shows that the Triforce leaves when a wish is placed on it. Ganon is never shown to actually have the Triforce within or on him in LttP;”
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Are you saying that Ganondorf does not get the Triforce in this situation? Because that is debatable. The Triforce was literally in a room right behind him and the door opened upon his death.
I’m going with Kefka.
The guy could just spam town busting attacks and a load of magic, his like a machinegun that shoots magic.
If he gets hurt, he can cure, dispel Ganondorf’s magic if possible and so on.
Ganpndorf will fall with the rest of Hyrule.
“How? Its shown to work in games. Ganondorf dies to a non holy thing, he comes back. Dies to holy weapon and reincarnates. Whats the problem?”
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Ganondorf vs Dark Schneider’s Judas Priest. Who wins?
“The area is the entirety of Hyrule. Ganondorf is able to create an “Endless Night” ((Wind Waker)).”
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I keep hearing about that but I keep forgetting when that happened, vid pleez?
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“Ganondorf vs Dark Schneider’s Judas Priest. Who wins?”
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PENISPENISPENISPENISPENISPENIS
I can’t really find a vid. It happens subtly and goes unnoticed until the King of Red Lions point out how Ganondorf’s curse prevented the sun from rising.
Ganondorf extended night:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCRikdS7xAA&feature=relmfu
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The time that the King of Red Lions is refering to (when they reached the Greatfish Isle) takes place two videos prior to this video. Also of note, the Forsaken Fortress (one of the islands in the game) always have a contanst storm and never ending night above it throughout the entire game. This is actually extremely similiar to OoT’s Adult section while near Ganon’s Tower, and WW Ganon is the same person from the Adult section of OoT; this is an extension of that power seen in OoT.
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“Are you saying that Ganondorf does not get the Triforce in this situation? Because that is debatable. The Triforce was literally in a room right behind him and the door opened upon his death.”
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On the other hand, Ganon was implied to have spent the majority of the game in Ganon’s Tower in the form of Ahganihm. The Triforce is found in the Pyramid of Power, and it is physically not on his person. He did touch the complete Triforce in the back story but WW shows that the Triforce leaves once it is wished upon. On the other other hand, Link also wishes on the Triforce in that very same game and Oracles takes place not long after LttP and the Triforce is within Hyrule Castle. It isn’t a very consistant thing. It is something that can be argued either way and is also something that probably cannot be conclusively proven in either direction.
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I would just as soon believe that Ganon only recently recovered the whole Triforce and Link beat him by a hair from using to take over the world. But really it just comes down to which PIS you prefer: Did Ganon take 400 years to find the Triforce within a realm that he had complete control over, or did Ganon have the Triforce the whole time and he merely didn’t use it for 400 years to take over the world. Both have issues, but I find the former easier to reconcile with. Both are conjecture though. I can’t prove Ganon didn’t have the whole time. LttP implies that he did have it the whole time, but this is spoken from people who cannot possibly know for certain. WW shows that he shouldn’t have had it the whole time. Oracles shows that WW’s event isn’t always how it happens though. So what really happened is rather difficult to determine with any absolute accuracy.
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Composite Ganondorf should have, without a shadow of a doubt, the Triforce of Power at a minimum though. He has had, without a doubt, the whole Triforce on at least one occasion; possibly two; nearly but not quite three times, but he did gather all the pieces that time too, so yeah…
“How? Its shown to work in games. Ganondorf dies to a non holy thing, he comes back. Dies to holy weapon and reincarnates. Whats the problem?”
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Okay so If I blow up the country Ganondorf is in I guess he can just survive that right?
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What about If I blow up the planet?
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What about If I pull a GEoM and launch a beam that is as focused as a laser yet as powerful as a supernova?
Or what if I pull a Dark Schneider and use a Judas Priest?
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Or if I pull a Skarbrand and hit you with mountain to multi-mountain level axe swings?
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Or a TFP Megatron and hit you with a massive skyscraper levelling punch?
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Or a Lina Inverse and use a Giga Slave?
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Would Ganondorf survive those? *coughnohe’dgetrippedapartcough*
or is shiki(either) used MEoDP oh hi…o wait
Oh I get it :zaru
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Or the Shrike shred him a a billion peices befo… oh yeah
susprised this hasnt called nz out from under his bridge
Anyways as for Ganondorf’s ‘eternal night’ thing, can he utilize this on the fly?
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Still see Kefka winning via faster flight+ nuking Ganon with town-busters indefinitely. Plus he’s decent in hand to hand combat too
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“I know there was a question in Kefka bs Sephiroth about whether or not Materia would affect him”
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I think that was something about Materia powers being subject to Kefka’s powers. Would the Triforce by subject to Kefka’s powers?
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inb4 omnipotent Triforce
“inb4 omnipotent Triforce”
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I don’t know why but this was Legitimately entertaining to read for some reason.
“Anyways as for Ganondorf’s ‘eternal night’ thing, can he utilize this on the fly?”
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Unknown. He does this from off screen. Unlike the Crystal Prison spell (which is used multiple times throughout the entire series to the point that I belive there is enough evidence to support a claim of some of the requirements needed to succesffully cast it), this spell is used entirely off screen and while the Hero is away for quite some time and there is no clue as to when Ganon might have started casting it.
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“Would the Triforce by subject to Kefka’s powers?”
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Highly doubt it.
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The Triforce is a physical manifestation of power from gods which are foreign to Keffka. Not only that but they were orders of magnitude more powerful than he. He wrecked a planet; they built space and time.
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That said, I cannot say for sure. How does Kefka control magic in FF6? By what means?
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As for Ganondorf surviving things. The dude survived physical destruction. It is really hard to overkill someone beyond that point. I mean, what is the point between a 500 gigaton bomb vs a vaporize ray to you when you can survive as a concept? It requires metaphysical weaponary to put him down for the count. I mean, yeah, you can wear him down through physical force, but to really put him down you need metaphysical weapons. Again, Link obliterated Ganon’s body in TP. There was nothing left. It was gone. … Ganondorf survived this.
@Messenger OriginalA
Would Balefire count as a sort of Metaphysical concept, if Ganondorf got it with it?
“That said, I cannot say for sure. How does Kefka control magic in FF6? By what means?”
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Im not sure. I asked my question because of something about Materia being subject to Kefka’s powers in Kefka vs Sephiroth due to Kefka being the god of magic
@C.C.
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I’m not familiar enough with Balefire to give you an answer.
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@StealthRanger:
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What did Kefka do in FF6 that made people even think that?
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I’m working backwards here. Someone made a claim to some effect that Kefka has control over magic. Which feat from the game supports this claim? If no feat supports this claim, or a similiar claim, then someone is flat out bullshitting what Kefka can do.
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Can Kefka control other people’s magic in FF6? Or is his control over magic limited to himself?
Balefire would wreck ganondorf
@NKB
If it hits, that is.
Not to say it won’t, though, but not in my place to expand on whether or not it will and on the when it happens.
“Balefire would wreck ganondorf”
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A lot of things would Wreck Ganondorf.
And few things will wreck Kefka, Ganondorf has a little of this things and the chances of him landing a hit with them against someone like Kefka are very limited.
Yeah, could someone, like, post an actual feat for Kefka?
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I only ask because y’all keep telling everyone that Ganondorf stands no chance but nobody has actually back it up by posting anything aside from what amounts to “take my word for it”.
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And unlike Ganondorf, Kefka isn’t exactly on the ‘Pile a whole lot so I can’t jump to other threads to crossreference.
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So… Get to the Piling of Facts.
“Yeah, could someone, like, post an actual feat for Kefka?”
Well, for one thing there’s this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2kYE3sdvZ8
He’s also got this thing called the Light of Judgement, which he uses to destroy towns for fun from across the planet in his Tower. It takes the form of a giant beam of yellow light that demolishes whatever it hits (we only actually see it take down a moderately-sized house, but we know from dialogue that he’s wiped out towns with it).
He’s also got a whole battery of standard FF magic, up to and including Ultima, at his command.
Pre-God Powers (i.e. his weakest incarnation) he fights General Leo, one of the most skilled warriors in the Gestahlian Empire, in single combat and wins, showing he’s at least a decent melee combatant. He also survives getting run through by Celes in the cutscene right before he gets his God Powers, but after a moment (which he spends telling Celes how much he ‘hatehatehates’ her) it doesn’t seem to impede him at all, so he’s got decent durability as well. He can also make ‘shades’ of himself, although their powers are unknown (he uses one in his fight against Leo).
Here’s a good vid:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoP0eK015hM from 5:20ish on.
Most of the stuff I mentioned above shows up here (fighting Leo, his shade (which can apparently use some pretty powerful magic itself), etc.), but it also has him absorbing Espers. Espers in FF6 are roughly equivalent to the summons in other FF games, and are quite powerful (in the prologue, an Esper that has just been defrosted after being frozen in ice for centuries is still able to easily defeat Terra and two of those mech suits in that video, which are pretty much tanks with giant lasers on them). Here Kefka is one shotting them, turning them into Magicite (crystallized life force/remains), and then absorbing their power. And this is pre-God Powers, as well.
Destroying the world is definitely the big one, though.
Kefka is “the god of magic”, so he masters all the magic present in FF6 and some that are unique to him, that’s some feats right there.
He is flight capable and can create a tangible copy of himself that can cast the same magic (before becoming a god).
He has an extremely high resistance to magic (he is the god of magic).
Kefka has this fight do to magic superiority and by a lot.
And there is also Kefka vs Sephiroth for more feats as well.
“(in the prologue, an Esper that has just been defrosted after being frozen in ice for centuries is still able to easily defeat Terra and two of those mech suits in that video, which are pretty much tanks with giant lasers on them).”
I don’t remember that being an actual fight, all the Esper did was a flashy effect and the two Magiteck armors vanished instantly (disintegrated perhaps) and Kefka went on a killing spree against the Espers.
When Kefka fought the Ifrit like Esper, he nullified all the fire attacks coming at him and then did some sort of X-zone sending Ifrit into another dimension (That’s what it looks like).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RWZ0yU18Ww&feature=player_detailpage#t=150s
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoP0eK015hM”
I didn’t see anything particularly impressive here, at all.
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Anyway, I have plenty of feats for Ganondorf on my LoZ respect thread that people forgot existed.
“I didn’t see anything particularly impressive here, at all.”
Damn it, it didn’t show the whole scene.
Here’s the far more impressive aftermath.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RWZ0yU18Ww&feature=relmfu
10 minutes? Way to early in the morning for this lol.
It’s only the first 4 minutes, really.
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However, rundown: Kefka vaporizes (or something) the three mechs with him, opens up a can of whoop ass on some more Espers, nullifies Ifrit’s magic before one-shotting and absorbing him, then ending with a one-shot kill of over a half-dozen Espers (which also ended with him absorbing their power), and he treats the whole thing like a dandy walk in the park.
Note that Espers are supposed to be creatures of immense power (going so far as for a few of them sub-stomping the Gestahlian Empire, mech suits and everything), and Kefka is disposing of them like mooks here. And this is his weakest incarnation (pre-God Powers).
ugh, that should be ‘curb-stomping’, not ‘sub-stomping’. Not sure how that happened…
Ganondorf’s notable feats from various games.
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Ganon (The Legend of Zelda)
www.youtube.com/v/O33Xybjegtc
Ganon can turn invisible while teleporting around and shooting blasts of magic.
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Ganon (A Link to the Past)
-Ganon twists the Sacred Realm (made by the highest beings in LoZ canon) into the Dark World.
-Ganon uses a part of his very soul to create Agahnim, the Dark Wizard.
www.youtube.com/v/kVfXp7yVQDc
Can create swirling fire balls, summon Fire Keese, teleport, and become invisible.
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Ganondorf (Ocarina of Time)
-Killed the Deku Tree (a forest deity) with a death curse by creating the parasite Gohma to drain the tree’s life away.
-Resurrected the Dodongos from extinction as well as resurrecting Volvagia.
-Blocked the entrance to Dodongo’s Cavern with a giant boulder (either created magically or moved by his own strength).
-Froze the water in Zora’s Domain with a death curse by creating Morpha.
-Frees Bongo Bongo from his imprisonment in the well in Kakariko Village.
-Created Barinade and Phantom Ganon.
www.youtube.com/v/sLXch32truM
(1:30-1:50)
Blasts Link many feet away with a flash of dark magic.
www.youtube.com/v/lsBo7p8h-dw
(7:15-8:30)
Ganondorf shows that he doesn’t even need to be in the same area as another person to trap them in his Crystal Prison spell. He simply needs to know a person’s location. He can then warp the prisoner to another location.
www.youtube.com/v/-yh1g9B_eBY
(1:30-2:00)
Ganondorf shows the ability to hold people back using waves of his dark magic. He then displays a degree of reality warping by making all the objects in the room vanish into thin air.
(2:00-8:40)
Ganondorf breaks away sections of the floor just by punching it as well as using a more powerful charged up version of his famous Dead Man’s Volley spell. Even though it’s not shown in this video of the battle, but he can also block incoming arrows with his cape, displaying arrow timing reflexes.
www.youtube.com/v/Kvc8Mu3kkJ8
Ganondorf uses his power (while being severly weakened, by the way) to destroy his own castle.
www.youtube.com/v/cFHT4Y6-UMk
Ganondorf survives being crushed by his own castle, creates a barrier of fire to prevent Link and Zelda’s escape, turns into Ganon (the Dark Beast), and is only weakened just enough to be sealed into the Sacred Realm.
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Ganondorf (Wind Waker)
-Escaped from the Sacred Realm using his own power.
-Resurrected Gohma.
-Created and enless night using his own power.
-Destroyed Greatfish Island while being miles away in the Forsaken Fortress.
-Created Helmaroc King, Jalhalla, Molgera, and many Phantom Ganons.
www.youtube.com/v/rQz0KNq0bU8
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Ganondorf specifically states that he can’t be defeated by a weapon that can’t strike down evil.
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Ganondorf survives being blasted with fire from Valoo (a deity) without even the smallest scratch as proven in Ganondorf’s next appearence.
www.youtube.com/v/H_yXb6rLHJg
Ganondorf displays his most impressive swordsmanship in the entire series as well as impressive agility. He can also jump right over arrows fired from behind him, displaying a keen sense of awareness as well as arrow timing reflexes.
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Ganondorf (Twilight Princess)
-Granted Zant a fraction of his own power.
-Froze Zora’s Domain and drained the water in Lake Hylia with a death curse.
-Resurrected Gohma in the Temple of Time.
-Can exist as nothing but a soul.
-Covered Hyrule Castle in a gigantic barrier.
www.youtube.com/v/BVYggDnaJgY
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Ganondorf survives his own execution, breaks his shackles using raw strength, and then vaporizes the Water Sage with a single punch.
www.youtube.com/v/jeX9jXH-n9Q
Ganondorf possesses Zelda and then displays the ability to use telekinesis by throwing Midna across the room with it before surrounding the room with magic barriers.
www.youtube.com/v/XB7r6XDD6Vg
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Ganondorf’s physical body is desintigrated but he rebuilds a new body very quickly from literally nothing.
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Ganon teleports out the way of an incoming arrow while running towards it, displaying arrow timing reflexes.
www.youtube.com/v/SiyuoF9mixI
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Ganondorf survives having his soul directly attacked by Midna using the full power of the Fused Shadows, overpowers Midna (and possibly being the one who blew up Hyrule Castle), rebuilt his body, teleported all the way from Hyrule Castle to the Eldin Province while summoning his horse out of nowhere, and then crushed a piece of the Fused Shadows with one hand.
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www.youtube.com/v/9ZoLLuVowmg
Displays more barrier control, impressive swordsmanship, and agility. He can also dodge and block arrows fired at him.
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I copy/pasted this from my LoZ respect thread. I gives a large gist of what he can do, but OriginalA was going into far more detail and I’m really tired right now lol.
“”Again, Link obliterated Ganon’s body in TP. There was nothing left. It was gone. … Ganondorf survived this.”
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This never happened. Midna pushed Ganondorf out of Zelda after Link defeated him/her. Then Ganondorf turned into the beast, which Link defeated by stabbing it in the weak spot. The beast got lit on fire or some such and transformed into the golden floating head. Midna, even though she lost, still beat Ganondorf out of that form. Then Link beat Ganondorf off of the horse, and then he beat Ganondorf in a sword fight. There was never a time when “Ganondorf was turned into nothing”.
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“Ganondorf’s physical body is desintigrated but he rebuilds a new body very quickly from literally nothing.”
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Those are obviously the particles that were pushed out of Zelda. He didn’t just rebuild himself from nothing.
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But Triforce probably wins this for Ganondorf.
“But Triforce probably wins this for Ganondorf.”
I’m not so sure. Even before becoming the God of Magic Kefka has shown the ability to nullify magic (both in gameplay against Ifrit and before that when he literally says something like ‘time to nullfy your powers’ and then does so), and it should be noted that all magic in FF6 comes from the Warring Triad (and then later Kefka); it’s technically bits of divine power. When the Triad and kefka are all gone, magic literally disappears almost immediately; the Espers all just drop dead, and Terra’s Esper side vanishes.
And Kefka has also previously absorbed the power of three goddesses responsible for the creation of the world/life as their universe knows it. Absorbing power, whether it’s from Espers or Goddesses, is almost like a pass-time to everyone’s favourite batshit crazy mage.
Can be argued, of course, and I’m not making any actual claims. Just tossing the possibility out there.
Is there a way to scale the power of the Fused Shadows? Ganondorf was attacked by what I would think would be a powerful influx of light and darkness in full force while he was nothing but a soul. And it was obvious when Ganondorf reappeared that he was’nt bothered by it. The Fused Shadows were scattered because they have the power to slay deities, right?
“This never happened. Midna pushed Ganondorf out of Zelda after Link defeated him/her. Then Ganondorf turned into the beast, which Link defeated by stabbing it in the weak spot. The beast got lit on fire or some such and transformed into the golden floating head. Midna, even though she lost, still beat Ganondorf out of that form. Then Link beat Ganondorf off of the horse, and then he beat Ganondorf in a sword fight. There was never a time when “Ganondorf was turned into nothing”.”
It was when Midna took Ganondorf out of Zelda’s body and split him into particles, which then disappated in all directions. Then a mass of darkness was growing on the floor were Ganondorf was rebuilding a new body out of nothing. I don’t think it was the Twilight particles coming back together. I posted the video that has that scene if anybody wants to double check.
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Even if it was the Twilight particles coming back together, Ganondorf (in his soul head thingy form) survived Midna’s attack, easily beat her in her monster spider/octopus form thingy, and then teleported a good distance away with a brand new body, all within a very short time, maybe a minute or so. Just shows that he can rebuild a new body even with nothing physical left. A lot of the comments above imply that any old spell of Kefka’s that goes “pew pew die house!” will put Ganondorf down for good. It won’t.
“But Triforce probably wins this for Ganondorf.”
Pretty much.
“I don’t think it was the Twilight particles coming back together.”
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I always assumed they were Twilight particles. They have the same appearance and sound (I think) as the particles, and it was heavily implied that Ganondorf can change between particles and solid body at his own command.
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“Just shows that he can rebuild a new body even with nothing physical left.”
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It appeared that his head-form was defeated, and he reverted back to his physical form. The head was implied to have great power, but not necessarily non-physical presence.
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“A lot of the comments above imply that any old spell of Kefka’s that goes “pew pew die house!” will put Ganondorf down for good. It won’t.”
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I agree, it won’t put him down for good.
“I agree, it won’t put him down for good.”
It won’t even put him down at all. Even if it “pastes” or “shreads” or “rips” him appart. Losing a physical body is just a minor inconvienence that’s quickly and easily fixed by himself.
Also, in the scenario……Xeno’s name is spelled wrong and I’m sure “laud” isn’t the word that was meant to be there……
Doesn’t death spells in FF6 can kill intangible beings?
Holy magic can help and spell negations.
Teleporting is also possible.
“Doesn’t death spells in FF6 can kill intangible beings?”
Your point?
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“Holy magic can help and spell negations.”
OriginalA went into very in-depth detail about this in that Soma vs Ganondorf thread I think. Basically, the conclusion was holy doesn’t necassarily equate to smiting evil specifically.
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“Teleporting is also possible.”
In the very first LoZ game, Ganon was teleporting all over the place while invisible.
My point is that FF6 has spells that can one shot enemies, Kefka can cast those spells and I’m asking about “death” (a spell) being able to one shot intangible beings.
Ganondorf has an intangible form when he looses his physical form, right?
I’m going to list some magics from FF6 that can be useful in this fight.
Doom: Instantly kills an enemy.
Break: An enemy turns to stone.
X-Zone: Sends an enemy into another dimension.
Meteor: Meteors rain down on all enemies.
Slow: Slows down an enemy’s movement.
Mute: One enemy cannot cast spells.
Sleep: Puts one enemy to sleep.
Stop: Literally stops an enemy.
Reflect: Magic spells bounce back on caster.
Vanish: Allies cannot be physically attacked.
Osmose: Steal an enemy’s MP.
Warp: Lets you escape from battles and dungeons.
Dispel: Removes all negative status effects from an ally.
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I got those from the games magic list.
So, which are the ones Ganondorf is immune to.
Break can seal Ganondorf by turning him into stone (might not be possible? you say).
X-zone, can Ganondorf travel through dimensions?
Slow, is Ganondorf immune to time manipulation?
Stop, worse than slow, same question as above again.
Sleep, I bet this won’t work, Ganondorf doesn’t sleep, just saying.
Vanish, this one is the equivalent of invisibility.
Osmose, MP (Magic Power), it doesn’t take away magic permanently, Ganondorf will regain it (assuming his magic charges up), but I think it won’t work because Ganondorf has infinite magic if I’m not mistaken?
Warp, as it says above, it allows Kefka to warp out of combat reach and out of current locations (it’s also referring to teleportation).
I do believe that Ganondorf has unlimted magic as long as he holds the Triforce. He can also travel and control dimensions, as seen when he banished a failed Phantom to “the gap between dimensions.” The Sacred Realm and by extension Darkworld are both dimensions he’s traversed at one point or another. Turning invisible may or may not work. He’s able to sense and cast spells over extremely long distances. Case in point is when Shiek revealed herself to be Zelda, then was trapped in a crystal moments after.
Kefka can attack at long ranges too, range doesn’t make a difference as both can attack at long ranges and if Kefka wishes to he can warp wherever Ganondorf is if he want’s to take the fight up close.
I also need to look up on vanish, I’m starting to think it makes the caster intangible as well, hence why it says “Allies cannot be physically attacked”.
“It was when Midna took Ganondorf out of Zelda’s body and split him into particles, which then disappated in all directions. Then a mass of darkness was growing on the floor were Ganondorf was rebuilding a new body out of nothing. I don’t think it was the Twilight particles coming back together. I posted the video that has that scene if anybody wants to double check.”
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Video?
@Darth
www.youtube.com/v/jeX9jXH-n9Q
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www.youtube.com/v/XB7r6XDD6Vg
One of these 2 videos I think.
“I also need to look up on vanish, I’m starting to think it makes the caster intangible as well, hence why it says “Allies cannot be physically attacked”.”
It’s odd. In-game, it causes physical attacks to always miss, while magical ones always hit. In the original game, this even included status effects (even if the enemy was otherwise immune to it, leading to the infamous Vanish/Doom trick). I think they fixed that in the re-release, though.
I don’t see him reforming from nothing in either of those.
Ok, So far for Kefka I’ve seen…
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Well, He’s fought some guy?
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If someone could please place the text or the vid showing Kefka using that Light of Judgement that would be nice for deciding this battle.
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Also, a quick say… did it ever say how said towns were destroyed? Sure, they were destroyed by the Light of Judgement, but it could only be a building buster attack and he destroyed said town one building at a time.
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I’m taking a gander at it, but unless it said something specific like “the whole town was blown to smithereen’s” or something similar, the move cannot exactly be taken as a city-busting attack without further proof.
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So far the Ganon side is doing quiet well, but I have to throw this in.
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If Ganon was thrown out of Zelda’s body, the one without a soul, how the heck did she suddenly come back? I might have missed something but IIRC she just decided to wake up!
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Ganon could encase the area in a barrier, but I’m sure Kefka could escape with Warp. But… How come Minda could not just teleport inside the Castle? Something must have stopped her from doing so, right?
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I leave to come back another day.