Suggested by The Black Crusader
This match features Hall of Fame winner Richard Rahl of the Sword of Truth series up against Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics) making his debut on FactPile.
Looks to be an interesting match, (and why only the Sword of Truth incarnation of Rahl is being used) – so that he has somewhat of a chance.
Fight takes place at Lucifer’s piano bar called “Lux” in Los Angeles.
Who wins?
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lucifer rapestomps
How? Can he be killed by magicial weapons?
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What are actually Lucifer’s abilites?
Even though I know nothing about him, the whole being-from-DC-comics thing (along with the whole being-named-after-Satan thing) makes me suspect Lucifer may be hilariously OP.
Unless Lucifer has unbelievable speed and can’t be killed by magic or magicial weapons, then this is gonna be a easy fight for Richard.
he can shape matter into anything he can imagine. including matter, energy, and more abstract concepts, such as time. However, he does have certain limitations. Simply put, he cannot create something out of nothing.
essentially he is a super alchemist. he can convert anything into anything else. he favors light and fire and in the series his origin story has him igniting fucking suns for an occupation. this isnt to mention the epic genius level intelligence he has from being older than time itself.
So he can destroy and shape but not create? Got it.
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Because Richard has Additive and Subtractive magic, (basically creating and destroying). But before I post more, can Lucifer be killed? By magic, weapons or magic weapons?
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I could be wrong, but Lucifer is the guy that started the war in heaven and then God cast him and his followers to Hell.
Wow, I can’t believe this ACTUALLY got posted!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Srsly Lucifer rapestomps
I don’t accept the fact that Lucifer rapestomps him unless you have prove Lucifer can’t die by magical means.
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And if he can’t, then how does he die?
sorry knower
“origin story has him igniting fucking suns for an occupation”
this alone wins it for him
Yes and I accept the fact he could just blow everything to shit but can he die is the only question I want to know?…..at the moment.
@ the knower
here is the kicker, he is only immortal when he wants to be. so really, weather he can be killed or not depends on his mood.
here is his fighting style as explained by another character (i believe lilith) : “As terrifying as they are brief, battles with Lucifer usually begin (and end) with him drawing down the flames of some superheated star and incinerating to ash anything in the immediate area.”
Holy shit I want his powers!!
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He can turn immortal when he wants? :0 That’d be so cool! You could be hustling people out of money all day
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So basically if Richard even flinchs Lucifer would destroy the planet…..Nice.
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@Black Crusader
Why would you bother suggesting this fight?
“Why would you bother suggesting this fight?”
iirc it was to see how much mike would wank richard against an obviously supirior oponent
Oh,….. thats not nice.
“Oh,….. thats not nice”
no mike had it comeing
with how much he wanks rahl it suprising it took this long for a soite mach to show up
No, he didn’t really have this coming. Just because he is into the SoT series doesn’t mean he wanks it. And I’ve read the posts on Rahl fights, all he does is put up Richards treats and abilites, as would anyone. For example, in this fight, Hac148 did the exact same thing and no one says hes wanking Lucifer.
go up to the serch bar type in sword of truth and read a few…then say that
Okay, (read them all anyway, I love SoT!),
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No, he didn’t really have this coming. Just because he is into the SoT series doesn’t mean he wanks it. And I’ve read the posts on Rahl fights, all he does is put up Richards treats and abilites, as would anyone. For example, in this fight, Hac148 did the exact same thing and no one says hes wanking Lucifer.
@Knower
There was a time when he was seriously arguing things like Richard being able to create entire universes and deities using the power of the Sword of Truth alone (not even the power of Orden), Richard being able to cast thousands (at minimum!) of spells every second, Richard’s gift being based on ‘need’ meaning it could do literally anything as long as he happened to need it at that particular instant (such as creating a shield out of cuendillar, a material that doesn’t even exist in his universe, in the split second before a shot of Balefire would hit him), etc.
And that’s just for Richard. The Sword of Truth universe at large has things like sweeping across the entire planet with a Boundary (remember, this is in current incarnation), summoning thousands of dead, omniscient, all-powerful wizards from the past to blast the shit out of everything, etc. It really is quite ridiculous.
He’s past most of that now (at least I think he is; haven’t paid much attention to him lately), but to this day he either refuses to admit he was wanking things, or says he never said any of that (even when presented with quotes (sometimes less than a page earlier) of him doing exactly that).
*reads the title of match and description*
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I sense one of two reasons for this match existing; Mike/SoT spite or ignorance.
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Whether it be petty or stupid, both equate to a waste of a post and likely a shitstorm to follow.
Oh my… this is bad. Who could have thought this would be a good idea to post?
@Zazax
Well, in truth, people, (in SoT series), can cross the world using Boundarys.
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In truth I’ve only just started Faith of the Fallen, but Richard is the most powerful wizard in three thousand years, (if I remeber correctly).
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Thousands of spells a second is ridicolous, but I think Richard can dozens a second. When he uses to his powers to slow down time, seconds feel like hours. This is true and I have prove if you want to see it.
“Well, in truth, people, (in SoT series), can cross the world using Boundarys.”
It was closer to ‘sweep one giant boundary across the whole planet, sucking everything on it into the Underworld’ than anything else. I’m aware this was done in the past of SoT (albeit on a vastly smaller scale), but nobody knows how to do it now.
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“In truth I’ve only just started Faith of the Fallen, but Richard is the most powerful wizard in three thousand years, (if I remeber correctly).”
Yeah, years ago I read the entire original series (it was the first fantasy series I read after Lord of the Rings got me hooked, in fact), although I haven’t yet read Omen Machine. Richard doesn’t ever do anything remotely suggesting he could do anything on that list with just the Sword of Truth.
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“When he uses to his powers to slow down time, seconds feel like hours. This is true and I have prove if you want to see it.”
This was actually the exact scene that Mike was using (where he catches the crossbow bolt, right?). The problem is that we only see him use one spell in that entire scene (the one to harden the air around the bolt to slow it down so he can catch it in the first place), and it casts as fast as it would even if he wasn’t in his time-slowy-downy mode. This implies that even though his perceptions have accelerated, he can’t actually act (physically or magically) any faster than normal.
Unfortunately for Sword of Truth supporters in this matter, they have Burden of Proof. If they think Richard can cast spells this fast, they need to prove it, which, unfortunately, there isn;t really enough evidence to do (and there is in fact evidence showing otherwie).
Yeah I was trieing to think of scene for he slows time and the crossbow bolt came to mind.
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Actually, one great boundary can suck all life from the world, but I don’t think its Richard who can do that. Thought that was more of the Keepers thing, with the veil.
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There is a shred of truth to the raising thousands of dead, but its only one man and he brings him back in spirit form, (Darken Rahl, stone of tears).
Facepalm.
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Damn it Factpile!
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I know this may be sort of arrogant or something but Admin/Hitman/Akuma, if you read this, I have a suggestion. Maybe you should do some sort of research on characters before posting matches.
@Darthgrim
Doesn’t sound arrogant, I know what you mean. No point putting a undestructible god verus a wizard/swordsman.
^ I agree with the two posts above.
Factpile is till crap, whit the posting of crap matches.
If you think its crap then why are you here?
Hey guys, it’s best not to imply any issues with admin’s match selection, he tends to get a bit testy when you do…
Then how do you think he’ll feel when he sees you said that?
I’m sure Admin has a lot on his plate and can’t personally research every match before posting, but it would be nice to have some sort of system in place, such as volunteers to research potential matches, or a voting system.
“If you think its crap then why are you here?”
Beats me, I just got here.
“Hey guys, it’s best not to imply any issues with admin’s match selection, he tends to get a bit testy when you do…”
Better him then us, dont you think, this one is one of the worst matches in here, besides the Death Star vs Bull dog one, that was an epic fail to the site.
“Then how do you think he’ll feel when he sees you said that?”
His the one who is posting fail matches.
@HoP
You are not alone with regards to a possible match voting system to consider, but I don’t want to offend the Grand General in mentioning this idea, best bet is to take it up to the Mod Council in regards to voting out new matches.
This match is the lulz, and ‘m happy to see big bad Luci on here.
“happy to see big bad Luci on here.”
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Indeed. If only he had more feats, I’d love for him to be on here more
He’d probaly win everytime he can destroy planets haha
yeah DC Lucifer kind of the strongest thing in DC aside from the Presence.
“yeah DC Lucifer kind of the strongest thing in DC aside from the Presence”
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and his brother Michael.
“to have some sort of system in place, such as volunteers to research potential matches, or a voting system.”
The versus match aid section of the topia actually helps a great deal towaeds eveness in suggestions
Uh last time I checked Lucifer is a universe level cosmic and Rahl can’t even planetbust so…
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“iirc it was to see how much mike would wank richard against an obviously supirior oponent”
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Can we stop doing this? It says far more about your immaturity than about his stupidity.
“Uh last time I checked Lucifer is a universe level cosmic and Rahl can’t even planetburst so…..”
We already know. We’ve discussed that. So, yeah….
I know Admin is really busy and all, but this sort of match is just stupid. I think even a two minute google search could have persuaded him not to post this match.
“I know Admin is really busy and all, but this sort of match is just stupid. I think even a two minute google search could have persuaded him not to post this match”
we should also not request intentional stomps
@Darthgrim
Off topic but where does this scene put afro samurai’s movement speed www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjQOkzOTWyA (10:00) he outran an explosion at point blank range. I say Mach 23 since c4 explosions are said to expand at that rate
“I know Admin is really busy and all, but this sort of match is just stupid. I think even a two minute google search could have persuaded him not to post this match.”
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But what if Lucifer had some weakness that Rahl could exploit that would have otherwise made this an interesting match? A minute google search isn’t going to tell you everything about character.
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A few stomp matches here and there is the price we have to pay for the fact that the Admin gives us the benefit of the doubt when he posts these matches. How would you like it if your match suggestions were never posted on the basis that the Admin incorrectly assumed that they were lame and/or were not worth discussing.
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The community is probably more at fault than the admin is. It’s always amusing to see someone complain about the fact they get no matches posted for several weeks, only to eventually have one of their “joke” suggestions put up rather than one of the good ones they were hoping for.
Hmm… didn’t choose the best approach.
These kinds of matches always make me laugh.
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First of all, let me point out that Black Crusader entirely missed the point when he requested this match. Mike has on several occasions not even posted on matches that are meant to “spite” him. Honestly, Mike does wank Richard with “plausible” extensions of what he quotes as proof. The issue is ALWAYS Burden of Proof and since what he says is “factual” is indeed a shaky exaggeration of what actually happens in things he quotes, Burden of Proof cannot satisfactorily be fulfilled. He firmly believes that Richard (and SoT) can beat the matches he does post on in such a fashion.
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HOWEVER,
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Simply suggesting a match to see if a person will continue what is deemed as wankage is completely sophomoric. Especially when said person stated they WON’T comment on the thread if it does get created simply because it was a suggestion made in spite against a character who is almost assuredly superior. A little foolish if you ask me, even if I understand where the perception of wankage is coming from. Mike is a lot of things but that idiotic is not one of them.
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That being said though, I always wonder about those that vilify Admin for whatever reason. Admin allows us to post here with a pretty free reign in how we as the community handle business which is an awesome aspect of this site. If you don’t like the post you can most certainly express your disdain for the suggestion, but really? Blaming Admin for what you deem is a shitty match, while also allowed, just borders on absurdity for me though. Is it out of the realm of possibility that someone with the esoteric knowledge of each character knows something you do not which evens the playing field? I sure don’t know, seeing as I’ve never heard of Lucifer Morningstar, but it isn’t exactly farfetched and is one of the coolest things about this site. New people (and sometimes even old) might happen to know some shit you don’t.
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EVERY single match can’t be balanced, fair, THE MOST BADASS OF ALL BADASS FIGHTS THAT EVER HAPPENED,EVER! They are what they are, and that makes those fights which get commented on that much better. Bitching about it (myself included, in bitching at the bitchers) really gets nowhere though. Especially considering a new match is posted every day. 365 matches with known people being fairly matched is a ridiculous expectation.
“But what if Lucifer had some weakness that Rahl could exploit that would have otherwise made this an interesting match? A minute google search isn’t going to tell you everything about character.”
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The problem is even if he did Rahl would never be able to take advantage of it in a million billion trillion years. Just the fact that he is FTL and can destroy universes shits on most anything else in fiction, including Rahl.
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The search should be along the lines of, in other sites, what is their opinion of him. Even wikipedia could probably tell someone that Richard Rahl is no match for ANY cosmic comic beings.
“we should also not request intentional stomps”
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THIS X1000000000000
“The search should be along the lines of, in other sites, what is their opinion of him. Even wikipedia could probably tell someone that Richard Rahl is no match for ANY cosmic comic beings.”
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So basically…. we’re not talking about a “minute-long google search”. It doesn’t take only a “minute” to go to one site, and look go through an entire discussion about a character to determine what his stats rare and every single power and weakness the character happens to have. Furthermore, the admin would have to go through multiple sites because the consensus on the general capabilities of a character can vary vastly between sites. Search through sw-v-st, Stardestroyer, Wookiepedia, the OBD, Spacebattles, and Factpile and you’ll get vastly different interpretations on the Star Wars. Sometimes, popular opinion about a series can vary between time periods on the very same site, even when the same exact feats are being analyzed.
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You may not agree with some of these opinions or conclusions; you may even think that some of these sites are completely unreliable; however, this merely reveals the problems associated with assuming you’re getting all the facts from a “minute” long google search.
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Saying Lucifer is “Faster-than-light” is missing the point. What if being in the presence of a magical being like Rahl is Lucifer’s Kryptonite? What if Lucifer suffers from some sort of Character-Induced-Stupidity that prevents him from using his powers to the fullest. These are details you can miss from a “minute” long google search. And THIS is why I appreciate the fact that the Admin has been known to post matches in the past that even he feels is a little mismatched. Some of the longest running discussions on the site are the ones where the fans are the most adamant on either side that the fight is a stomp.
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Lastly, I might as well add, since tone of voice doesn’t transfer well through text, I’m not attacking you. I’m merely pointing out that suggestion that the Admin decide match postings on “research” could very well lead to promising matches never being posted.
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And FYI, I think the “voting” concept is an interesting idea.
“So basically…. we’re not talking about a “minute-long google search”. It doesn’t take only a “minute” to go to one site, and look go through an entire discussion about a character to determine what his stats rare and every single power and weakness the character happens to have. Furthermore, the admin would have to go through multiple sites because the consensus on the general capabilities of a character can vary vastly between sites. Search through sw-v-st, Stardestroyer, Wookiepedia, the OBD, Spacebattles, and Factpile and you’ll get vastly different interpretations on the Star Wars. Sometimes, popular opinion about a series can vary between time periods on the very same site, even when the same exact feats are being analyzed.”
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It’s still a minute long search.
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Here’s just stuff from the first page of google, that would tell you he would absolutely roflstomp
Rahl.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer_(DC_Comics)
www.comicvine.com/lucifer-morningstar/29-24232/
outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+Lucifer+Morningstar
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The first page. It’s really not that hard. I mean, I guess Admin could be really busy, a lot more than I imagine him to be. But it’s his site, he should spend more than five minutes just posting matches, don’t you think?
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“Saying Lucifer is “Faster-than-light” is missing the point. What if being in the presence of a magical being like Rahl is Lucifer’s Kryptonite? What if Lucifer suffers from some sort of Character-Induced-Stupidity that prevents him from using his powers to the fullest. These are details you can miss from a “minute” long google search. And THIS is why I appreciate the fact that the Admin has been known to post matches in the past that even he feels is a little mismatched. Some of the longest running discussions on the site are the ones where the fans are the most adamant on either side that the fight is a stomp.”
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Yeah no. Go ahead and name a character with that sort of weakness, who is also as powerful as lucifer is. You also say that some of the longest running debates have been matches that were first thought stomps? A lot of those matches are also only that long because of people like Mike, who refuse to see reason. That’s not a good thing, just because the match is 40 pages long doesn’t make it good.
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”But it’s his site, he should spend more than five minutes just posting matches, don’t you think?”
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IT’S A DEBATE WEBSITE!!! It is amazing to me how often people forget this simple fact about what Factpile is. If every single match was properly researched we would have no matches because in all actuality they should be decided already, AND THERE WOULD BE NO DEBATE!
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The same argument could be made for “balanced” fights as well because very often they are too many intangible to actually call a winner in truth. Which leads me to this:
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”A lot of those matches are also only that long because of people like Mike, who refuse to see reason. That’s not a good thing, just because the match is 40 pages long doesn’t make it good.”
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What exactly would you call a good debate then? Match? Ok I get that, BUT IT’S A DEBATE! If the guy doesn’t see reason, could it be that maybe he actually has an argument? The bottom line is Mike did even if I and everyone else disagree with what his argument is. THAT makes it a good debate even if the dude in question can’t admit when he COULD be wrong.
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This notion of what a stomp is, what is suggested as “a stomp” or “debate” and what can be debated as a fair fight is starting to annoy me a little bit. Admin shouldn’t have to “research” anything because it is up to us as the community to actually DEBATE what the fight is. If everyone agrees it’s a stomp then move on and wait until the next match, if you have an actual argument OTHER then deriding the post the please present it. Otherwise just shut up about it.
Know that I will fight every day for however long its gonna take to provide Ed Elric as fair a fight as I possibly can for whoever he has to fight it out with, if I fail to do that its in Dr. Doctor’s consent to shoot me personally, alright?
“Yeah no. Go ahead and name a character with that sort of weakness, who is also as powerful as lucifer is.”
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I don’t have to, since my point is not invalidated by the presence or lack there of of any such character. As long as the possibility exists, then the possibility exists for a match that looks like a stomp on the surface ( such as this one ) to have debating potential. Unless, of course, you’re claiming that it’s “impossible” for such a character to have such a weakness … impossible for a character in a fictional universe—in which case…wow.
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“Here’s just stuff from the first page of google, that would tell you he would absolutely roflstomp
Rahl.”
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Unless those sites are missing some vague weakness that very rarely ever applies or important character flaws and then of course there’s the possibility that they only represent the popular opinion of a community that holds radical or biased views.
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“But it’s his site, he should spend more than five minutes just posting matches, don’t you think?”
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He probably spends enough time as it is just regulating the site, writing reviews, compiling the links for recaps, and creating banners for every single match he posts.
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Anyways, five minutes isn’t going to reveal every single little detail about a character and every single possible way to interpret them.
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“A lot of those matches are also only that long because of people like Mike, who refuse to see reason. That’s not a good thing, just because the match is 40 pages long doesn’t make it good.”
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And then you have the matches like Nintendo vs Warhammer 40k and Warhammer vs Stargate, where you have enough people on either side so that no one particular individual is singled out as a “Mike”.
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Just because someone on the page doesn’t hold the same opinion as you or everyone else debating doesn’t make it a bad. That’s what this site is for.
Though ive never heard of these two gents, giveb what others have said, and with a name like Lucifer Morningstar, im pretty sure Lucifer has this in the bag.
@Enigma
To be fair, not every match has the Badassery to match the sheer scale the Cartoon Network Civil War had, but you’d think many of them would have the decency to duke it out with the sheer Scope of that fight’s Badassery records!
Even I am trying to strive for near-innovation on such results with that Ministry of Magic vs CC Corp match I had in mind, and I need help like you won’t believe to make dang sure I get it right!
”Badassery to match the sheer scale the Cartoon Network Civil War had, but you’d think many of them would have the decency to duke it out with the sheer Scope of that fight’s Badassery records!”
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And, while I happen to disagree with you Cross, that is entirely the point. YOU, and several others had a fight which you deemed was ”badass” which may or may not have appealed to the Factpile community as a whole. Frankly, I thought the “debate” was nonsensical and full of prattling from either side. On the other hand I thought (and still think) Wheel of Time vs Sword of Truth is one of the most “badass” debates on Factpile, partially because of my involvement, but also because of the subject matter. It simply appealed to me more, was actually well balanced in terms of debatability, and was simply fun for me to read, get into, and be a part of. That doesn’t in anyway take away from those of the Factpile community who thought the debate was trash.
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Being “good” is completely subjective. Being “debatable” is something else altogether.
i agree with ptaine
although i did not debate much in wot vs sot it was fun to read
@Ptaine
Not gonna lie, that match had potential, but no AHEM= next to no fun at all apart from learning more about the bulk of the various WoT factions. T_T
Make no mistake, learning about the Aiel and the Borderlanders is the funnest part one could find if they were me, not that learning about the Asha’man channelers would be too shabby, either.
It shouldn’t be so difficult to even have a faction-vs-faction affair of a match to be done right, provided the factions in question have the highest amounts of legitimate common grounds with each other on a scope-based basis(like I frequently would point out the MoM and the CC Corp for instance, that’s not really the only example either so much as its the most obvious!There’s also the White Council from the Dresden Files and the Novus Orbis Librarium from BlazBlue to boot, both those two match ideas would pretty much be comparing and contrasting two different means to fight on a primary or secondary basis!)
I may not have the sharpest sense of Scale in this lot, but please never tell me my sense of Scope is meant to be sub-par, alright?
LOLOLOLOLOL
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Sorry guys. I didn’t think this shitty stomp match was actually gonna get posted. I was fucking around one day and I decided to make this as a blatant spite match.
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I would like to apologize to the Admin- I didn’t think that you would actually post this, as I assumed that most match suggestions weren’t accepted.
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I would also like to apologize to the rest of Factpile for wasting time and resources on this match.
“Blaming Admin for what you deem is a shitty match, while also allowed, just borders on absurdity for me though. Is it out of the realm of possibility that someone with the esoteric knowledge of each character knows something you do not which evens the playing field? ”
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I would also like to say that this is completely my fault, and that it’s wrong and stupid to blame admin. This was requested as an intentional stomp.
@TBC
At least you’d apologize for it, only grief!-matches are worse than Spite matches after all, and the site does not need either for all we care, to be frank!
Former is the result of someone trying to score as much douchebaggery as possible, latter will have at least one suggestor who repressed their emotions too badly and failed to get a grip in time before the match was posted, the latter I might also be guilty of via circumstances.*
1.) (To this day I thank the Lord General Mata for helping to lay the final blow in saving the Near-grief match and myself before either became a total mess, I will not lie about it!)
Like I said on the latter of the two, I scared myself, I was a mess and if it weren’t for Mata and those who have my back, I would have gotten much worse than I already had been, at that time.
I’m gonna try to make up for this and suggest something that can actually be debated. How about Batman vs Punisher?
@TBC
Has potential, you may have to work out a whole lot of details to make sure if the match is anywhere near workable though, but it could work!
I still have to get help to work out the details for Ed Elric vs He-who-walks-behind but WTH?
Why not?
@Cross
Blowing things a teensy bit out of proportion arent’ we man? A bad match isn’t going to wreck the site forever; you need to stop letting these things get you down.
”It shouldn’t be so difficult to even have a faction-vs-faction affair of a match to be done right,”
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This, Cross, out of everything you said is a pivotal point though. ”IF DONE RIGHT” is where the subjective “Good” and “Debatable” are not anywhere close to being the same thing. You say the match had potential, I say that potential was more than adequately fulfilled. With or without AHEM if I may be so bold, and really whenever you mention him in those terms (even if you jest) I often feel like you take away from those that debated on WoT’s side without his presence (and for clarification Cross I am kidding somewhat, but really it isn’t like his involvement would’ve realistically changed anything in terms of how the debate was handled).
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You seem to like to debate the finer points before the match is even suggested, those finer points in my opinion are what makes the match debatable in the first place. Whatever difference in “scale and scope” you are talking about (and I’ll be honest I really don’t know what you mean) this is a major difference between what you and I like to debate about and also when because they are still in essence debated. And that is a completely subjective thing which was my previous point to begin with. What difference does it make the when in reality?
What ptaine said. What’s the fun of a debate if you’ve debated every facet before anyone has a chance to put in their views?
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Epicness is in the eye of the beholder good man, and an Eye that is not spoiled of the surprise will enjoy it that much fuller.
Alright, Batman vs Punisher sounds good, and isn’t an insane mismatch.
@Ptaine
You are free to question my methods, I wasn’t trying to take anything away from the WoT side so much as I was just admitting if only someone valuable were here.
This match most likely wouldn’t bring him back(an image of Richard Rahl and Voldemort killing each other at the exact same time has better odds, best odds goes for getting Murtagh of Inheritance a worthwhile match with an equally worthwhile opponent!) but I might be alluding to a way to getting matches that can bring him back here.
@Master Sarge
If there are people who’d say its better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all, let it be known its better to have a well-done and honest match with the only thing truly regrettable being the exact circumstances that bred the match, than to have an unsanctioned abomination that only had the circumstances to not regret on.
The former at least allows you to not feel so much dragged to the Arena to fight and die so much as you can walk straight to it with your head held high with the rest of your body, the latter pretty much does the opposite of it and destroys the point of the former.
That and for all I care, I’m still under the general impression the site is getting increasingly illiterate by the month, I mean really, should it be called for that we may as well do a vs match with Haseo fighting Eragon or Murtagh no matter how justified it may be if we want to prove otherwise?
@TBC
Good luck on it, alright?
”You are free to question my methods, I wasn’t trying to take anything away from the WoT side so much as I was just admitting if only someone valuable were here.
This match most likely wouldn’t bring him back(an image of Richard Rahl and Voldemort killing each other at the exact same time has better odds, best odds goes for getting Murtagh of Inheritance a worthwhile match with an equally worthwhile opponent!) but I might be alluding to a way to getting matches that can bring him back here”
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I’m not really questioning your methods, but often the tone of your own posts seems like my own methods are what you deem as a “problem,” for lack of a better word, for what you seem to think is downfall of Factpile, in terms of its…..”badassness” I guess, again for lack of a better word at the moment.
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AHEM’s lack of participation, while partially because of Mike, had more to do with life in general as he said. A singular thread will not bring him “back” in the capacity you seem to want him back. No more than the fact that WoT getting the award over SoT putting Mike in his place did. And really look at the thread that Eragon was a part of, how many comments were bestowed upon those threads? Hundreds? And that really will bring AHEM back? That is a little delusional my friend. Even if I appreciate your enthusiasm in AHEM’s regard.
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But really whatever “valuableness” AHEM possessed, I feel like myself and the likes of Galorian and Aelfinn more than made up for his absence.
wot needs a new match
considering
www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=35487
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and sephiroth vs ishamael
Sephiroth is Mach 26+ and has multi-block+ level striking strength and town+ level durability :zaru
I mean it
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outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+Sephiroth
“Sephiroth is Mach 26+ and has multi-block+ level striking strength and town+ level durability :zaru”
ishamael is on par with rand al’thor
@Ptaine
I wasn’t out to question your methods so much as I believe you’re out to question mine!
Trust me, a lot of the mess we’re still trying to clean up would have been preventable had we gotten AHEM with us.
As for the question regarding just Eragon himself, then considering how only Drizzt and Harry Dresden seem to have their matches go on the hundreds comments, maybe Eragon was some kind of Type-B Magi-terrorist too many people on the site* in general want to strangle the lights out of him and do worse than just that!
Murtagh on the other hand might be another story, and if he gets a good match for an introduction maybe there would be less incentive from the general population from the site to contemplate strangling him in kind than there is with Eragon.(TBF, I might feel he’s more deserving of bad stuff happening to him, but I digress!)
If I told you that I plan to have a match between Haseo(dot.hack universe!) and either Eragon or Murtagh, and want to make dang sure that the match will be done right for most of the site to agree with, would you believe me if I say I’m gonna fight to make sure the match is fair for both sides?
The only possible downside to consider:
I don’t want most of the comments to say Haseo can’t use Magic at all, even Artificial Magic qualifies, those sorts of comments got old, and even then he’s the sort to go reality-warper to begin with, anywho. -_-’
1.) (Except Admiral G.A1911 and Draco, for obvious reasons!)
Off topic:
What ever happened to Blood Dancer? Did he just drop off the face of the Earth, or is there a reason he apparently doesn’t come around anymore?
Hmm, he has gone relatively quiet recently….
he shows up on the topia often
“IT’S A DEBATE WEBSITE!!! It is amazing to me how often people forget this simple fact about what Factpile is. If every single match was properly researched we would have no matches because in all actuality they should be decided already, AND THERE WOULD BE NO DEBATE!”
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You are blowing what I’m asking admin to do way out of proportion. I’m not saying research every possible aspect of a fight in advance, but seriously this is ridiculous. What we have here is a blatantly Universal-Multiversal character against someone who isn’t even planetary.
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“What exactly would you call a good debate then? Match? Ok I get that, BUT IT’S A DEBATE! If the guy doesn’t see reason, could it be that maybe he actually has an argument? The bottom line is Mike did even if I and everyone else disagree with what his argument is. THAT makes it a good debate even if the dude in question can’t admit when he COULD be wrong.”
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It’s not what I would call a fun debate when one party consists of the entire website aside from mike and one party consists of mike. it’s even worse when that minority party is so obviously wrong, refuses to deem anything said by the other side as a proper rebuttal and doesn’t give up.
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“This notion of what a stomp is, what is suggested as “a stomp” or “debate” and what can be debated as a fair fight is starting to annoy me a little bit. Admin shouldn’t have to “research” anything because it is up to us as the community to actually DEBATE what the fight is. If everyone agrees it’s a stomp then move on and wait until the next match, if you have an actual argument OTHER then deriding the post the please present it. Otherwise just shut up about it.”
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This would be fine on a site with more than one match posted a day. As it is we have to wait a full day for another match, which could also be a match like this. I’m not saying there haven’t been great matches before, ones that have been debated for years by many people. But this is just a waste of site resources.
@HoP
If only I knew…:( ):
It seemed to be getting increasingly worse, as of late no matter how hard I try, how much of it might have been due to disobeying orders(called for on my part or otherwise) I don’t know.
“He probably spends enough time as it is just regulating the site, writing reviews, compiling the links for recaps, and creating banners for every single match he posts.”
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Fair enough.
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“Anyways, five minutes isn’t going to reveal every single little detail about a character and every single possible way to interpret them.”
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It doesn’t need to. it just has to show whoever publishes the match, be it Hitman or Akuma or Admin, that the characters are at least vaguely of a similar level.
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“Just because someone on the page doesn’t hold the same opinion as you or everyone else debating doesn’t make it a bad. That’s what this site is for.”
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Not what I’m saying. I’m saying Mike is refusing to accept evidence and give up in some cases. That’s not a case of differing opinion, that’s a case of either he is quite literally mentally disabled, or he is a stubborn, wanking, idiot.
@Darthgrim
I checked, last time I checked the MoM + CC Corp are on a similar level barring the manpower regards, except as ever the site has too many illiterates being unwilling to read at all on either of the two to assist in getting the match ready to go! -_____-’
Do we need Rahl vs Malekith of Warhammer Fantasy to plot out instead?
“ishamael is on par with rand al’thor”
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But Sephiroth has the meteor :zaru
“But Sephiroth has the meteor :zaru”
but he dosnt have a week
Oh yeah! Well he haz teh supernova too!!!11!!2!!
ishamael has teh Ba3lfire
Stop it guys, it’s not funny.
@Cross
”I wasn’t out to question your methods so much as I believe you’re out to question mine!
Trust me, a lot of the mess we’re still trying to clean up would have been preventable had we gotten AHEM with us.”
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^^This is what I am questioning not your methods, which hey, maybe they are one and the same. How many times though have I stated that I do not think there is even a mess to clean up? You are lumping me into a category for which there is no need, intentional or not. Perception is the key here. So in putting the shoe on the other foot perceptionwise (something I am asking you to do for me conversely), and pretending that there is some sort of problem to be fixed, I fail to see how AHEM would have prevented anything. Because what you deem as problematic was happening before he left, a reason why he left, and obviously something he was unable to prevent as a result. So in this regard not only do I not trust you, I flat out disagree with you and I can point my finger at AHEM’s absence as proof. Having a match with Murtagh in it will not automatically fix anything.
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”If I told you that I plan to have a match between Haseo(dot.hack universe!) and either Eragon or Murtagh, and want to make dang sure that the match will be done right for most of the site to agree with, would you believe me if I say I’m gonna fight to make sure the match is fair for both sides.”
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While that is your prerogative, if I told you that I don’t really care would that surprise you? Not only is it about “fairness” which again is something I think should be debated in the fight, but also about usable feats and community interest. And from what I have seen “fairness” for you isn’t really all that fair it’s more about making whatever side you are interested in not lose. Again, it’s about perception.
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@Darthgrim
”You are blowing what I’m asking admin to do way out of proportion. I’m not saying research every possible aspect of a fight in advance, but seriously this is ridiculous. What we have here is a blatantly Universal-Multiversal character against someone who isn’t even planetary”
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Not really, because again, there could be some piece of information someone knows rendering that point moot. The likelihood of that happening being small, or the fact that the community at large has already deemed this a stomp does not change that fact. Admin is one person and just a quick count has 18ish people commenting on it, do you not see the disparity in knowledge base here?
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”It’s not what I would call a fun debate when one party consists of the entire website aside from mike and one party consists of mike. it’s even worse when that minority party is so obviously wrong, refuses to deem anything said by the other side as a proper rebuttal and doesn’t give up”
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He wasn’t obviously wrong and that is the entire point. It was debatable. Yes, his actions after he presented his argument I think were wrong (and yes the rest of Factpile basically as well), but he thought I was wrong as well as everyone else…..Two opposing sides believing strongly in their convictions about a subject. Hmmm, sounds like a debate to me. Your lack of fun does not change the “funness” factor for everyone else who did have fun, nor does it automatically make Mike wrong because of it.
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”This would be fine on a site with more than one match posted a day. As it is we have to wait a full day for another match, which could also be a match like this. I’m not saying there haven’t been great matches before, ones that have been debated for years by many people. But this is just a waste of site resources”
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Who cares?! I think it’s perfectly fine for a site that posts one match a day. I mean seriously your solution is to have two posts a day, which if neither are properly researched you get more bitching? Or have one properly researched and one not? Or have them both properly researched and have a “stomp” for the LOLZ and a “badass” fight you can comment on? That seems like a monumental waste of “site resources” to me. This shit happens. If it’s a stomp, wait until the next day, go comment on an old thread, hell go outside and throw a frisbee or something. It really isn’t, nor should it be, that big of a deal.
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That last week or so of matches I personally think are “lame” or whatever else, that doesn’t mean that I am going to go on every single one and berate Admin to post something I like so I can comment or isn’t upi to snuff in terms of a fair fight. I’ll simply wait until something interests me enough that I either already know it or will go learn about it, because enough people know and like those matches to go comment on them. This “stomp match” is no exception.
This match reminds me of Lara Croft vs Master Chief.
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Only back then I believed Lara had a chance, however small, against MC.
It’s a good thing I’m not fucking “berating Admin” or “That big of a deal”
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Let me go a head and quote the first thing I had to say on the topic
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“I know Admin is really busy and all, but this sort of match is just stupid. I think even a two minute google search could have persuaded him not to post this match.”
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Wow! what’s that? Two whole fucking lines? This is obviously a literary masterpiece, full of hate speech and defamatory things about Admin and his “bad job”. You guy’s escalated this, don’t come crying to me about, “you make such a big deal out of this. BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH”.
”Wow! what’s that? Two whole fucking lines? This is obviously a literary masterpiece, full of hate speech and defamatory things about Admin and his “bad job”. You guy’s escalated this, don’t come crying to me about, “you make such a big deal out of this. BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH”.”
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Regardless of anything else I am aware of how to read my friend, and regardless of what you think those “two whole fucking lines” imply a lot more than you are admitting. You essentially state that Admin somehow didn’t know about the powers and that a “2 minute google search” would have persuaded him NOT to post a “clearly” stupid match suggestion. Incompetence and stupidity all rolled into one, you may not have meant either but you can’t see how it could be implied? Did it ever occur to you that Admin new full well this was a stomp, or at the very least a rather unwinnable proposition for Richard? Look what HE said in the description ”Looks to be an interesting match, (and why only the Sword of Truth incarnation of Rahl is being used) – so that he has somewhat of a chance” And yet he posted it anyway.
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And you have as of yet not acknowledged what my point on this is: “New people (and sometimes even old) might happen to know some shit you don’t.” Whatever you deem Mikes faults are, what we argued about in the WoT vs SoT thread could not have come up in a google search because of the specific nature of what is involved. It is entirely possible that something similar could happen here.
Why would Admin post a stomp match, especially one that’s really obvious, makes no sense.
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I’m not quite sure how I’m suggesting incompetence, much less stupidity. Unless you think not having knowledge of a certain fiction is stupidity.incompetence.
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“And you have as of yet not acknowledged what my point on this is: “New people (and sometimes even old) might happen to know some shit you don’t.” Whatever you deem Mikes faults are, what we argued about in the WoT vs SoT thread could not have come up in a google search because of the specific nature of what is involved. It is entirely possible that something similar could happen here.”
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I’m not saying that could have been avoided with a google search, I’m saying this could have been avoided with a google search.
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”Why would Admin post a stomp match, especially one that’s really obvious, makes no sense.”
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All it takes is one person with the right knowledge to make something that is “obvious” much less so. I have said this numerous times already. That simple fact is enough to post stomp matches because you never know.
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”I’m not quite sure how I’m suggesting incompetence, much less stupidity. Unless you think not having knowledge of a certain fiction is stupidity.incompetence”
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Because you are acting as if had Admin done what you suggest that he would have acted in a manner other than he did. This doesn’t at all take into account that it is entirely possible that Admin knew of Morningstar’s powers beforehand, either through a quick google search or just his own knowledgebase (like with Richard). You essentially questioned Admin’s ability to do a “simple search” while simultaneously stating that this “stupid match” wouldn’t have been posted had he known.
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”I’m not saying that could have been avoided with a google search, I’m saying this could have been avoided with a google search.”
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The application, however, is the same. Mike’s ideas didn’t work out there but someone could have an idea here to level the playing field a bit and make this an actual debate between the characters. A google search does not provide that info even if the likelihood of its existence is slim to none.
“Why would Admin post a stomp match, especially one that’s really obvious, makes no sense.”
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We need a break from serious matches every now and then.
@Lieutenant
Either that or in general we have illiterate nutcases amuck.
(Not that match suggestor here is illiterate, I meant to imply in general, here)
This is in no way similar to WoT Vs. SoT. First that was a close match. Second that wasn’t a match between Richard Rahl and Lucifer Fucking Morningstar.
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“Because you are acting as if had Admin done what you suggest that he would have acted in a manner other than he did. This doesn’t at all take into account that it is entirely possible that Admin knew of Morningstar’s powers beforehand, either through a quick google search or just his own knowledgebase (like with Richard). You essentially questioned Admin’s ability to do a “simple search” while simultaneously stating that this “stupid match” wouldn’t have been posted had he known.”
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Reading too much into a simple thing.
Karl Marx>>>>>>>>>Terry Goodkind