Suggested By Captain Epic
Been a while since Master Chief has had a fight!
For this battle Master Chief will be wielding a Energy Sword and an Assault Rifle, whilst Gambit has his staff and deck of cards. The fight will take place on the Halo 3 map Rat’s Nest and will have no weapons on the map.
Who wins?
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Why is gambit powers so inconsistent regarding organic matter? Sometimes he can’t, Sometimes he does, then there’s the things where he can charge zombie flesh because it’s stated they’re not living.
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So these laser things track Gambit through his biosignature. That seems pretty easy to take advantage of since Gambit just has to be faster than they can turn, and that shouldn’t be too hard with his agility. It’s a very impressive feat but it doesn’t make him a bullet dodger (as in after it comes out of the barrel), and I’m sure MC has very good aim and timing with his weapons (I should find some evidence for this though).
“So these laser things track Gambit through his biosignature. That seems pretty easy to take advantage of since Gambit just has to be faster than they can turn, and that shouldn’t be too hard with his agility. It’s a very impressive feat but it doesn’t make him a bullet dodger”
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No but I believe it would be safe to say the second scan in my previous post would make him one … Thats Forge who is an excellent marksman shooting point blank and being blocked
“So these laser things track Gambit through his biosignature. That seems pretty easy to take advantage of since Gambit just has to be faster than they can turn, and that shouldn’t be too hard with his agility. It’s a very impressive feat but it doesn’t make him a bullet dodger”
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That was just to show him charging cards while dodging. There were other examples of him blocking and dodging that stuff already.
Why is gambit powers so inconsistent regarding organic matter? Sometimes he can’t, Sometimes he does, then there’s the things where he can charge zombie flesh because it’s stated they’re not living.
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I think he can, but says he can’t to prevent situations where he has to. That’ll explain why he seems to be able to but seems to not be able to even when the opportunity presents itself.
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After all, if he has said power, that’ll make humans MORE afraid of mutants (despite the fact there are tons of super powered people that they cheer for).
“I think he can, but says he can’t to prevent situations where he has to. That’ll explain why he seems to be able to but seems to not be able to even when the opportunity presents itself.”
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I honestly think he just doesn’t have that ability. Comic books are really inconsistent though. But who knows.
In the one scan I showed its showing him doing it … maybe he lost those powers since then , but ive read him doing it several times … Im pretty sure the Daken was his arm and not clothes
To the question of whether or not Gambit can charge organic matter, this should solve the problem.
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I cannot recall why this was brought up in the first place, though. Gambit isn’t going to be touching organic matter in this battle anyway.
So Gambit can charge organics. That is good information for future reference.
“I cannot recall why this was brought up in the first place, though. Gambit isn’t going to be touching organic matter in this battle anyway.”
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I agree Chief is sheathed from head to toe in armor so it really won’t matter. Now as for this match like another piler said in a melee Gambits staff will be the hardest hitting thing in the match depending on the environment. The bigger the object according to Marvel’s website the harder the object hits. For example something as thin as a card explodes with the force of a grenade. A playing card if we are just taking length into account is 3 and a half inches tall. A bo staff is 4ft 7in long. So strictly length wise Gambits staff would hit about 15 times harder then a playing card and subsequently 15 times harder then a hand grenade. This is not taking width and thickness into account so its safe to say Chief will be hard pressed to take even 1 blow. He can do the same for any rocks, branches, etc etc lying around.
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This coupled with his ability to to dodge bullets and his own body armor means he can keep the chief harried with a multitude of cards and rocks thrown in the environment until he can stun him and go in for the kill. Even if Gambit misses with his staff the force would still stun the chief.
As much as I was hoping MC would win this match, it seems Gambit would end up winning. Not that I’m a fan of Halo, but MC just has a poor score record here.
“To the question of whether or not Gambit can charge organic matter, this should solve the problem.
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See the problem was just the AvX momnet that had me questioning it, I got a second situation where he stated it himself and a third when he was surprised that he could do it to the zombie because it was dead. But I guess that just one of those inconsistencies characters can get with multiple writer.
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“I cannot recall why this was brought up in the first place, though.”
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For me, it was just out of curiosity since.
@Iron Lowk:
“But I guess that just one of those inconsistencies characters can get with multiple writer.”
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That probably is the case. Some authors may portray Lex Luthor more intelligent, and at other times, not so much.
“No but I believe it would be safe to say the second scan in my previous post would make him one … Thats Forge who is an excellent marksman shooting point blank and being blocked”
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Emphasis on blocked. He hasn’t been shown to be able to dodge any bullets, that I know of.
MC on the other hand has dodged live fire, although it’s unknown from what distance:
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MC has also literally slapped away a ‘Skorpion’ missile (no idea what kind), with the help and calculations of Cortana, but this at least highlights just how fast the suit can move with MC in it (Cortana increased his reaction time but the speed is all from the suit and his muscles):
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The second link is where he also ran 500 meters in 17 seconds. Note that this was right after he barely missed the explosion of the missile.
The missile was also quite a powerful one, able to dig 2 meters in to the ground where it had impacted.
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“I agree Chief is sheathed from head to toe in armor so it really won’t matter. Now as for this match like another piler said in a melee Gambits staff will be the hardest hitting thing in the match depending on the environment. The bigger the object according to Marvel’s website the harder the object hits. For example something as thin as a card explodes with the force of a grenade. A playing card if we are just taking length into account is 3 and a half inches tall. A bo staff is 4ft 7in long. So strictly length wise Gambits staff would hit about 15 times harder then a playing card and subsequently 15 times harder then a hand grenade. This is not taking width and thickness into account so its safe to say Chief will be hard pressed to take even 1 blow. He can do the same for any rocks, branches, etc etc lying around.”
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The flaw in this argument is that Gambit doesn’t charge his staff to blow, he only amplifies the kinetic energy of the staff (I’ll have to find the source). It won’t be as strong as if he caused the staff to blow up like his cards or other throwing projectiles, although it is probably still stronger than his card’s explosions. Staff feats would be very helpful here.
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Then again, Gambit is very susceptible in close range as it will get harder to dodge MC’s rounds and it can be likely that MC can just tank one staff hit and steal the staff away from Gambit.
According to an early post Gambit w/ a charged staff leveled a building.
“The flaw in this argument is that Gambit doesn’t charge his staff to blow, he only amplifies the kinetic energy of the staff (I’ll have to find the source). It won’t be as strong as if he caused the staff to blow up like his cards or other throwing projectiles, although it is probably still stronger than his card’s explosions. Staff feats would be very helpful here.”
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Never said he’d charge the staff to blow.
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“Then again, Gambit is very susceptible in close range as it will get harder to dodge MC’s rounds and it can be likely that MC can just tank one staff hit and steal the staff away from Gambit.”
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1. The problem with this is that Gambit has feats that put his speed beyond that of MC’s. He catches bullets and to may knowledge has never been shot. MC has been shot by both bullets and slower plasma rounds. Plus way higher agility as seen here
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And here defeating numerous robots while evading machine gun fire from a gunship
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Here deflecting range at practically point blank range without a single round getting through
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This is basically what it would look like fighting Gambit
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2. It is unlikely he will be able to tank 1 blow from Gambit. 1 hit would smash through his shield and put him on his ass and Gambit can continuously pump energy into his staff to continue the assault. Why exactly would he stop at 1 hit when he can hit him with a flurry that MC can’t block without losing his arm as seen here
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3. Like I said before the environment is a viable tool for Gambit. Look what he did with a fucking pebble
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And here he split a building in half.
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“And here he split a building in half.
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Are you not the same “ZomB”?
Also, cannot charge organics.
marvel.com/universe/Gambit says he cannot. Not after New Sun. It’s got all his sh*t right there.
By the way 1 of you mentioned mutant power level is irrelevant to the match. That is grossly incorrect. Power Class determines whether or not the match is worth debating in regards to the characters in question which is why I think Factpile should create a tier system to prevent stomp matches. Gambit is an Alpha Level(when he fought his alternate reality self his power was Omega Level and he technically can reach that level again when his full power is restored) Mutant. Alpha Level mutants are the second most powerful mutants in Marvel aka way above MC’s level. Saying MC can stand against an Alpha Level mutant is just plain stupid and Omega Level even more so since they are the most powerful mutants in Marvel examples being Magneto, Jean Grey, and Franklin Richards. MC tends to lose to Beta Level Mutants let alone Alpha and Omega Level.
“Saying MC can stand against an Alpha Level mutant is just plain stupid and Omega Level even more so since they are the most powerful mutants in Marvel examples being Magneto, Jean Grey, and Franklin Richards. MC tends to lose to Beta Level Mutants let alone Alpha and Omega Level.”
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Wouldn’t it depend on the power/abilities? I mean wouldn’t MC be able to take on someone like Pryo. Isn’t he an alpha level mutant?
“Never said he’d charge the staff to blow.”
Exactly. Which is why it shouldn’t be as powerful as a card throw since Gambit uses all of the energy in the card to make it blow. Gambit’s staff vastly stronger than his card throwing projectiles, but not as much as 15 times. I have also yet to see scans of its building leveling power…
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“1. The problem with this is that Gambit has feats that put his speed beyond that of MC’s. He catches bullets and to may knowledge has never been shot. MC has been shot by both bullets and slower plasma rounds. Plus way higher agility as seen here
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I don’t get the problem.. if Gambit swings at MC with his staff, MC can definitely block and grab the staff. He’s blocked a missile before and let’s find out how fast a missile can be..
-Missile speeds- Range from 860 m/s to 3350 m/s
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-Random air to surface missile- 2280km/h or 633.33333333333333333333333333333 m/s
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-Air to air missiles, speed range from Mach 2.5 (860 m/s) to Mach 4 +
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So the lowest speed would be the air to surface missile which is at 633.3 m/s, almost twice the speed of sound, not factoring in the speed of the jet that fired it.
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The missile came in probably from quite a distance but it’s still an incredible feat considering he’d have to deflect the missile before he even hears it fire. To make it more incredible, was able to watch the missile fly towards him before he deflected it with the help of Cortana.
“The missile was fast. Faster than he was ten times over.”
If we take that literally, 633.3 m/s/10 = 63.3 m/s or he was moving at 141 mph to hit the missile. And I’ve been using the lowest estimates for the missile speed. Not to mention that this was his old Mark V suit which was more bulky and I believe overall inferior (except for the actual physical armor’s less protective qualities) .
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“He catches bullets and to may knowledge has never been shot. MC has been shot by both bullets and slower plasma rounds. Plus way higher agility as seen here”
The difference is MC routinely fights entire armies by himself, he’s bound to get shot sometime. Here are some instances of when he got shot:
-By a hunter, and stabbed by its spine as well..
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-Grunt plasma pistol
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-Plasma fire while forcing doors open
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-Hunter blast
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The Covenant aren’t as incompetent at fighting as in the game, but he still isn’t taking too many
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Gambit’s agility is great, but it’s not far beyond that of MC. As a teenager without his armor, he and his team of spartans were able to infiltrate a guarded bunker (by 9 trainers in exo -suits) and steal a flag after taking out all 9 trainers.
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With his armor and years of experience with it, he should definitely be able to keep up with Gambit. Gambit may be extremely agile and acrobatic, but MC is no slouch and may surpass Gambit in speed, or at the very least, running speed.
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“And here defeating numerous robots while evading machine gun fire from a gunship”
He’s not dodging them as they come out of the barrel. He is moving so fast that the gunners can’t track him, which doesn’t make him a bullet timer.
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“Here deflecting range at practically point blank range without a single round getting through”
Aim blocking each shot is be very plausible.
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“This is basically what it would look like fighting Gambit”
Impressive. But I believe MC could do that if he didn’t weigh 500kg..
‘Wouldn’t it depend on the power/abilities? I mean wouldn’t MC be able to take on someone like Pryo. Isn’t he an alpha level mutant?”
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Nope. Pyro burned an entire town to ashes which is what started the Civil War since he killed hundreds of people including over 200-300 children.
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“I don’t get the problem.. if Gambit swings at MC with his staff, MC can definitely block and grab the staff. He’s blocked a missile before and let’s find out how fast a missile can be..
-Missile speeds- Range from 860 m/s to 3350 m/s”
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No you fucking dumbass. Gambit blocks bullets and lasers with his staff. In order to block bullets he has to be able to swing his staff fast enough to stop the bullet. Not to mention how the fuck can MC block the staff when its charged with kinetic energy beyond that of the force of a grenade. Lets think for a second and stop this blind loyalty to a character
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“The difference is MC routinely fights entire armies by himself, he’s bound to get shot sometime. Here are some instances of when he got shot:
-By a hunter, and stabbed by its spine as well..
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-Grunt plasma pistol
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-Plasma fire while forcing doors open
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-Hunter blast
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-Another hunter blast
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The Covenant aren’t as incompetent at fighting as in the game, but he still isn’t taking too many”
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There is no difference. Gambit routinely fights sentinels which outclass everything in Halo. Besides that getting shot sometimes is a far cry from not at all.
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“Gambit’s agility is great, but it’s not far beyond that of MC. As a teenager without his armor, he and his team of spartans were able to infiltrate a guarded bunker (by 9 trainers in exo -suits) and steal a flag after taking out all 9 trainers.
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That’s not good enough. You have to show feats that put his agility on par with those of Gambits not scans of a book that says he infiltrated a base. How the fuck does that compare to back flipping and cartwheeling through laser grids?
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“With his armor and years of experience with it, he should definitely be able to keep up with Gambit. Gambit may be extremely agile and acrobatic, but MC is no slouch and may surpass Gambit in speed, or at the very least, running speed.”
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Prove it.
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“Aim blocking each shot is be very plausible.”
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Gambit doesn’t aim block. I’ve already proven that.
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So far your just denying or ignoring the evidence. Here’s the score. Gambit’s attacks are unblockable to the Chief. Gambit is faster then the Chief. Gambit is untouchable via being shot which means he has to attack him with the sword during which Gambit will dominate him due to longer range and more experience and skill in that area of combat. So what advantages does the Chief have again when his opponent can disable him and kill him within to moves either a flurry of unblockable blows or a single thrust then charging him to explode?
“Exactly. Which is why it shouldn’t be as powerful as a card throw since Gambit uses all of the energy in the card to make it blow. Gambit’s staff vastly stronger than his card throwing projectiles, but not as much as 15 times. I have also yet to see scans of its building leveling power…”
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Also Gambit is known for charging his staff to explode and shoving into characters to win. He’s done it before so saying he won’t leads me to believe you do not know what the fuck you are talking about and one blow from an exploding staff is all it’ll take.
Just to be fair to the chief: Is there a chance his sword will just cut Gambits staff to pieces?
Not that it will change much, but it might give him a chance. What is that thing made of?
“Nope. Pyro burned an entire town to ashes which is what started the Civil War since he killed hundreds of people including over 200-300 children.”
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Isn’t Chief’s shield and/or armor designed to be heat resistant?
Also is he still reliant on needing something to create flames? If so I think Chief should be able to putt a few rounds in him before he can unleash his flames.
“Nope. Pyro burned an entire town to ashes which is what started the Civil War since he killed hundreds of people including over 200-300 children.”
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1. That wasn’t Pyro, that was Nitro.
2. He was on power increasing drugs, so he really isn’t powerful enough to destroy a town.
3. It was 600 people total, and 60 children, not 2-3 hundred.
4. He didn’t burn it, he self-destructed, and blew up a portion of the town.
“1. That wasn’t Pyro, that was Nitro.
2. He was on power increasing drugs, so he really isn’t powerful enough to destroy a town.
3. It was 600 people total, and 60 children, not 2-3 hundred.
4. He didn’t burn it, he self-destructed, and blew up a portion of the town.”
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Your correct my mistake. I was thinking of Nitro. However Nitro did not die in that attack since Wolverine and Namor later chased him down.
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“Isn’t Chief’s shield and/or armor designed to be heat resistant?
Also is he still reliant on needing something to create flames? If so I think Chief should be able to putt a few rounds in him before he can unleash his flames.”
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It depends on how much Pyro has to work with. Power level is determined by how well one can use his powers and level of control and their ability to survive in Apocalypses vision of the world. Pyro if he has access to the right material he would roast MC to death and since he doesn’t get burned by his fire he can use that to create a shield and he engulf the entire field depending on where this takes place. With some characters it depends on scenarios but the vast majority of Alphas dominate the chief. That includes Storm, Wolverine, Cyclops, Gambit, Psylocke, pretty much all of the X-Men were Alpha level except Bobby and Jean who are Omega Level. We need more Omega Level mutants on this site. Ice Man could dominate most of the characters we’ve shown on here for example.
what level is nate grey at his strongest?
“However Nitro did not die in that attack”
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Never said he did. His power is to blow himself up and re-assemble himself later.
“what level is nate grey at his strongest?”
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Nate Grey is Omega Level at his strongest.
So are their any more arguments or can we wrap this one up?
Yeah we are done. Sorry about the stompish match.
Its cool. It was good while it lasted but when it comes to the X-Men I doubt their is a single member MC can take except maybe Nightcrawler and maybe Beast but Crawler is dead though and Beast is a boring character. Lets do Cyclops next.
Iceman is a omega level mutant
“Lets do Cyclops next.”
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I would love to see him in a match.
“Iceman is a omega level mutant”
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I know. We need more Bobby on this site. I don’t think he’s been featured on here yet.
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“I would love to see him in a match.”
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Cyclops vs Blue Team?
“Cyclops vs Blue Team?”
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That would be pretty intresting. I would guess Summers could take one or two members of Blue before the others get to him. Just intial thoughts.
“That would be pretty intresting. I would guess Summers could take one or two members of Blue before the others get to him. Just intial thoughts.”
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Lets suggest it then and see what happens.
cyclops vs boba fett
” Sorry about the stompish match.”
its not like you intended it to be a stomp
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actualy i almost suggested this once but never got around to it
“cyclops vs boba fett”
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That would be awesome! Blue Team would be cool too, so I’m not sure.
What? Just cuz I’m the only one debating MC doesn’t mean match is over..:|
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Chief’s suit is very heat resistant(well it disperses the heat), and regularly tanks 3000 degree Celcius plasma attacks.
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@ReDruM
I don’t know that much about Gambit so I may not know what I’m talking about, but it’s up to you to give me proof that he regularly fights Sentinels (that are supposed to be uber fast or strong? I doubt they could outclass a nova bomb..).
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“No you fucking dumbass.”
I feel that’s unnecessary -.-
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“Gambit blocks bullets and lasers with his staff. In order to block bullets he has to be able to swing his staff fast enough to stop the bullet. Not to mention how the fuck can MC block the staff when its charged with kinetic energy beyond that of the force of a grenade. Lets think for a second and stop this blind loyalty to a character”
I haven’t seen you prove to me that it is not aim dodging. So all Gambit would have to do is no where the barrel is aimed at and where the projectile will hit, and then move his staff to block and even deflect said projectile. He’ll just need to be fast enough to keep up with the gun’s rate of fire instead of actually deflecting each bullet the instant after it is shot out of the gun -which seems much more plausible to me.
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MC’s shields have tanked forces that are much stronger than a grenade before, like a shot from a 50mm cannon (a smattering of shots actually), although I don’t know how many joules of force that is exactly. But another example:
Deflecting the ‘Skorpion’ missile-
Let’s use the random Air-to-Surface missile that I used in the speed calc of the ‘Skorpion’ missile.
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Specifications:
355 kilograms (780 lb)
Let’s say the ‘Skorpion’ missile is half that missile’s weight (which is extremely unlikely).
So this ‘Skorpion’ missile weighs 177 kg and is flying at a speed of 633.3 m/s.
Initial kinetic energy = .5mv*v = 35,494,596.765 joules or 35 megajoules of energy (Keep in mind, a normal TNT grenade less than 1MJ of energy).
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MC deflects this missile, so he had to slow down the missile enough to push it away from him.
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I tried calculating how much energy MC took in the form of joules when he deflected the missile, I’m most likely wrong but it could be somewhere in those general areas of energy..
-This one is wrong cuz I used joules with a direction
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-This one is probably wrong because I couldn’t add in the mass of the missile into the equation..
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But at the very least, the 50mm cannon feat has been calculated to be at least 10 MJ (and apparently close to 30) on this thread:
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and more in the next page.
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I’d forgotten to mention that Chief’s shields increased in strength as well in his Mark VI armor (which is how the ~26 megajoule calc was derived since MC’s shields doubled in strength).
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offtopic: calculating takes so long…
“Nate Grey is Omega Level at his strongest”
nate vs green lantern?
“What? Just cuz I’m the only one debating MC doesn’t mean match is over..:|”
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Actually pretty sure this is what sealed the deal:
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So I found a matrix style dodge
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“He’ll just need to be fast enough to keep up with the gun’s rate of fire instead of actually deflecting each bullet the instant after it is shot out of the gun -which seems much more plausible to me.”
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How is Gambit knowing exactly where a gun his aimed at from his perspective, knowing exactly where each bullet is going to go, then moving a thin staff exactly in the right position to block each bullet, all the while having less then a second between them to do so more plausible then a mutant whose powers apparently enhance him to superhuman levels dodging or blocking a bullet?
“So I found a matrix style dodge”
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That was sick.
Not sure if I should these
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Charges a blade to be able to cut better
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Mid air dodge of rockets
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Gambit apparently doesn’t appreciate this Mech
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“How is Gambit knowing exactly where a gun his aimed at from his perspective, knowing exactly where each bullet is going to go, then moving a thin staff exactly in the right position to block each bullet, all the while having less then a second between them to do so more plausible then a mutant whose powers apparently enhance him to superhuman levels dodging or blocking a bullet?”
Experience and excellent perception? It’s like when Captain America aims his shield to hit everywhere in impossible angles and then catches it while beating down 10 other guys…
I say it’s much more plausible then Gambit having supersonic reactions and reflexes when in this (It’s probably kind of old but):
www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/g/gambit.htm
it says he “a mutant who possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.” and “Excellent hand-to-hand combatant, utilizing streetfighting techniques and acrobatics.”
Now I’m not trying to say Gambit doesn’t have superhuman agility and speed, but sub-sonic reflexes and speed is already beyond human, and Gambit could certainly dodge and block bullets with this level of speed and his already skilled agility.
MC himself is at sub-sonic speed but isn’t as agile as Gambit (although MC was already ninja like w/o his armor and years of exp).
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“So I found a matrix style dodge
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Batman has done something like this too:
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Would you say he is way faster than MC?
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Can be explained by aim dodging and anticipation.
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He throws 3 grenade level explosives at a badly armored robot’s leg. I wouldn’t doubt that it would blow it off and ignite other flammable fluids in the robot as well.
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If you show me a Gambit feat where he can move faster than the speed of sound, than I’ll admit that MC has no chance. Otherwise MC can definitely tank a staff hit and possibly grab it away from Gambit as well. I haven’t seen any scans on powerful uses of his staff yet.
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“Actually pretty sure this is what sealed the deal:
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www.lediableblanc.com/Charge/building-gambit22.jpg”
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What’s the full page and the scan before it look like?
No idea how long it took for him to charge and also whether or not this was before Mr. Sinister lowered his power level.
I’d say a well charged 10 cards of his could cause this level of destruction anyhow..
And if MC’s shields are even only at 10 megajoules, then they can tank that.
“Would you say he is way faster than MC?”
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If that’s what the feats show.
Also
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“If you show me a Gambit feat where he can move faster than the speed of sound, than I’ll admit that MC has no chance.”
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I showed had him dodging bullets as they were flying and it’s backed up by various showings of him blocking bullets as well. Not sure what else to show that would change your mind.
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“Otherwise MC can definitely tank a staff hit and possibly grab it away from Gambit as well.”
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Probably not the best idea considering he could charge that to explode in Chief’s hand.
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“He throws 3 grenade level explosives at a badly armored robot’s leg.”
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How was the robots leg badly armored?
“I say it’s much more plausible then Gambit having supersonic reactions and reflexes when in this (It’s probably kind of old but):
www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/g/gambit.htm
it says he “a mutant who possesses the normal human strength of a man of his age, height, and build who engages in intensive regular exercise.””
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That’s only referring to strength levels. That doesn’t have relevance on on being able to dodge a bullet. And we already knew Gambit was one of those superstrong guys.
“was one”
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Wasn’t
Found some other stuff if anyone interested
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Staff knocks a head into the ground
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Charges staff then throw splits falling building in half to save people it’s about to crush
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Charges a doll
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Charged bullets
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A little addition to an earlier feat of agility/mauvrability. He had found himself going in between a wall of those eye thing beam things.
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Split a metal pole in half with his cards
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“Charged bullets
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Staff knocks a head into the ground
www.lediableblanc.com/GWFights/forever.jpg”
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My bad these were Alt Universe Gambits.
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lol okay. PREP TIME
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“If that’s what the feats show.”
The feats don’t show them dodging the bullets after they come out of the gun though, which means there is a high probability that they were aim dodged.
But Gambit matrix dodging those bullets has to mean he’s using all speed to dodge it, just like Batman was doing. Who cares if he’s known to be peak human, but I guess if the scan shows him dodging bullets, that has to mean that he is supersonic though right?……
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“I showed had him dodging bullets as they were flying and it’s backed up by various showings of him blocking bullets as well. Not sure what else to show that would change your mind.”
I’ve already explained those arguments if you read my posts; I’ll paste the counter arguments again for convenience:
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Doesn’t look like a normal bullet, in fact its much larger and is about the size of his palm. Can’t know if it was the same speed of a regular sized bullet. It’s also easier to catch if it is that large.
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So these laser things track Gambit through his biosignature. That seems pretty easy to take advantage of since Gambit just has to be faster than they can turn, and that shouldn’t be too hard with his agility. It’s a very impressive feat but it doesn’t make him a bullet dodger (as in after it comes out of the barrel), and I’m sure MC has very good aim and timing with his weapons (I should find some evidence for this though).
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“And here defeating numerous robots while evading machine gun fire from a gunship
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He’s not dodging them as they come out of the barrel. He is moving so fast that the gunners can’t track him, which doesn’t make him a bullet timer.
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“Here deflecting range at practically point blank range without a single round getting through
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Aim blocking each shot is be very plausible.
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“If that’s what the feats show.”
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The feats don’t show them dodging the bullets after they come out of the gun though, which means there is a high probability that they were aim dodged.
But Gambit matrix dodging those bullets has to mean he’s using all speed to dodge it, just like Batman was doing. Who cares if he’s known to be peak human, but I guess if the scan shows him dodging bullets, that has to mean that he is supersonic though right?……
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For the other feats:
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No idea how long he charged it, but it’s still quite a feat, although I can’t tell how large is the building either.
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Don’t know how long he charged it, but it seems he was holding it for at least 5 seconds.
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I explained this one.
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-these laser things track Gambit through his biosignature. That seems pretty easy to take advantage of since Gambit just has to be faster than they can turn, and that shouldn’t be too hard with his agility.”
Although he also clearly uses aim dodging in this one, which helps make my point that he aim blocks and dodges bullets as well.
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“Split a metal pole in half with his cards
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That’s cool lol, but he uses 3 cards to slice through. I’m not that surprised by it since the energy from three grenades concentrated in the thickness of a card could definitely do that, not to mention we don’t know how long he’s charged the cards.
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But anyhow, MC’s shields are established to be from 10 MJ (as a low end) to 26 MJ as a high end.
The force of a grenade is near 1 MJ as a high end (400 KJ- 800 KJ).
Gambit’s cards are usually near the force of a grenade, but can possibly be higher when charged.
Gambit’s staff can be as strong as maybe 10-15 grenades (estimating from the building splitting attack) which is unknown whether or not to be a low – high end attack.
Gambit is sub-sonic in reactions and bursting speed (maybe near half the speed of sound of 150 m/s), although probably not in running speed.
MC has ran for nearly half a mile at 65 mph, albeit tearing his Achilles tendon.
MC has deflected a missile barehanded but with the help of Cortana’s calculations and coordination and then survived the blast the blew him 6 meters away, leaving a 2 meter deep hole in the blast zone.
MC can casually flip warthogs which weigh 3 tons (I haven’t found the source for this yet though..).
MC jumped over a 3 meter high wall (over 9.5 feet), the first time he tested his suit (no shields). i127.photobucket.com/albums/p131/GaryouTensei/Spartan%20Respect%20Thread/pg117.png
He also shattered concrete targets by punching them.
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[ www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=292109 ]
Here’s the MC thread again.
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MC perceives trained soldiers (ODST) in slo-mo sneaking in to shoot him.
What would happen if Gambit charged one of the vehicles on the map and sent it at Master Chief?
“But Gambit matrix dodging those bullets has to mean he’s using all speed to dodge it, just like Batman was doing. Who cares if he’s known to be peak human, but I guess if the scan shows him dodging bullets, that has to mean that he is supersonic though right?”
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Human do crazy shit in fiction all the time.
Samurai Jack, blocks bullets
Cassandra Cain, dodges bullets
Master Asia, Kicks building and giant mech
Daredevil, has swatted a bullet out of the air
Danny Rand catches bullets
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Why would it be so hard to believe that the mutant could when it’s been shown?
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“Aim blocking each shot is be very plausible.”
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Except his back was turned hitting someone else Making it impossible for him to have seen the gun and were it was being aimed to do so.
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“The feats don’t show them dodging the bullets after they come out of the gun though, which means there is a high probability that they were aim dodged.”
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The bullets were already being shot at him by the people he was fighting he ducked under the bullets as the were coming as shown by them still traveling through the air.
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“Don’t know how long he charged it, but it seems he was holding it for at least 5 seconds.”
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How did you get 5 seconds when it was only shown to be charge when he threw it?
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“No idea how long he charged it, but it’s still quite a feat, although I can’t tell how large is the building either.”
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He Charged it as the building was falling on the people.
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“That’s cool lol, but he uses 3 cards to slice through.”
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Check the second one again he still is holding at least 2 cards in his and feet.
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“not to mention we don’t know how long he’s charged the cards.”
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He charged them as he was falling
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“I explained this one.
“1.bp.blogspot.com/-V4uZ1bJEyFk/T8N7cEUbinI/AAAAAAAAFvg/-ZmNZkSwyxQ/s1600/gambit17+fireballs.jpg
-these laser things track Gambit through his biosignature. That seems pretty easy to take advantage of since Gambit just has to be faster than they can turn, and that shouldn’t be too hard with his agility.”
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Your explanation is kind of negated by the fact that it showed that they were already facing him and surrounding him.
“Gambit is sub-sonic in reactions”
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Pretty sure dodging and blocking bullets puts him higher then that.
“Pretty sure dodging and blocking bullets puts him higher then that.”
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Indeed. Most bullets travel faster than 1500 mph, which is about twice the speed of sound. Many travel much faster than that.
“Samurai Jack, blocks bullets
Cassandra Cain, dodges bullets
Master Asia, Kicks building and giant mech
Daredevil, has swatted a bullet out of the air
Danny Rand catches bullets”
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Humans vary in different works of fiction. Like Samurai Jack is fkin OP and dodges lasers -.-
I’m guessing Gundam humans are op too.
And if you’re naming various humans from various fictions, mind as well go with Yamcha or Krillin..even Master Roshi is definitely supersonic.
But in DC and Marvel, the humans tend to be in the same range and are also more realistic.
. And I believe Marvel’s standards of peak human can catch bullets with great effort, but his powers also allow him to augment his physical abilities (like speed) to extraordinary levels, too.
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“Trained by her father to be the ultimate weapon, Cassandra was not taught to speak. Instead, the parts of her brain normally used for speech were trained so she could read other people’s movements and body language and predict, with uncanny accuracy, their next move.”
Can easily explain dodging bullets.
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Official power grid states him to be at 2 (peak human speed- marvel.wikia.com/Power_Grid#Speed
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Daredevil’s superhuman senses can possibly help him him more than aim dodging since he can always hear what’s happening around him and has his own kind of radar to use to see.
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Although this feat makes him insanely fast…
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“Except his back was turned hitting someone else Making it impossible for him to have seen the gun and were it was being aimed to do so.”
He could have seen it before he was hitting that person, no idea what the scans before and after look like, so he could have anticipated those shots were coming.
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“The bullets were already being shot at him by the people he was fighting he ducked under the bullets as the were coming as shown by them still traveling through the air.”
If you’re talking about this one:
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I doubt the bullets fired by the guy on top of the page are the same as the ones Gambit dodged. For all we know, it could have just been showing that the bullets missed centimeters away from his face.
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“How did you get 5 seconds when it was only shown to be charge when he threw it?”
I thought the objects only showed the energy when they are fully or overcharged?
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“Check the second one again he still is holding at least 2 cards in his and feet.”
I know he didn’t detonate the cards, he just amplified the energy of when it hits, and with 3 cards hitting the pole, it would at least equal the energy of a grenade; which was within only the thickness of the card. I estimated that 3 amplified kinetic energy cards would equal to at least 1 detonated card, and 1 grenade would be more than enough to split a pole in half if all of the energy was concentrated in maybe 1/32 of an inch (card thickness).
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“He Charged it as the building was falling on the people.”
Do you know where the scans are before it and after? What happened to his staff?
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“Your explanation is kind of negated by the fact that it showed that they were already facing him and surrounding him.”
Not really, he just needed to jump faster than the laser things got ready too shoot. Besides, that would put him at ftl if they are lasers…
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“Pretty sure dodging and blocking bullets puts him higher then that.”
You don’t have to be as fast as sound to dodge supersonic bullets. You just need to be faster than the person shooting the rounds, or faster than the person can either pull the trigger or faster than the person can aim at you. That’s pretty fast but it’s not sonic or supersonic.
“Can easily explain dodging bullets.”
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Dodges bullet already flying.
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“And I believe Marvel’s standards of peak human can catch bullets with great effort, but his powers also allow him to augment his physical abilities (like speed) to extraordinary levels, too.”
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Gambit’s powers can help amp him as well, remember?
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“Daredevil’s superhuman senses can possibly help him him more than aim dodging since he can always hear what’s happening around him and has his own kind of radar to use to see.”
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Block after the bullet after it’s been fired
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Again after the bullet been fired then he moves to block it
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Again after the bullet has been shot
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Also
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“Do you know where the scans are before it and after? What happened to his staff?”
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No, Showed some pages then they gave out what happened in text word by word probably to avoid copyright like putting every single page up.
The staff exploded.
Wait can gambit charge organic matter? If so can he charge Cheifs suit and weapons? If so then cheif loses…
if not then I say cheif has a fighting chance.
“Wait can gambit charge organic matter?”
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Some say he can’t, others say he can. But John’s suit isn’t organic, so he could charge it for sure.
“Wait can gambit charge organic matter?”
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Not sure about that. Some times he can sometimes he can’t.
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“If so can he charge Cheifs suit and weapons?”
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Yes, since Chief weapons are just metal he should be able to charge them.
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While on the topic of Chief’s weapons, would Gambit’s blast be able to take them out?
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….. why am I debating for a character I haven’t though of or cared for since X-men was on FOXkids? Damn you factpile, damn you and your nostalgia inducing matches .
“www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IzSGvXc_PM”
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Didn’t even have to click it to feel the 90′s seeping through the link.
“Block after the bullet after it’s been fired
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Again after the bullet been fired then he moves to block it
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Again after the bullet has been shot
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Also
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…..Realistically speaking, they should be superhuman -.-
I guess peak human standards are just insanely high (or the writers are kinda dumb/don’t care about realism)…
They could probably destroy Albert Wesker with that speed..
I mean bullets aren’t getting shot out side by side from a pistol just because you shoot it fast, nor from a fully automatic rifle. Once 1 bullet comes out, it hits its mark before the second one even fires because it’s that fast.
I mean even eyes can only see human sized things at around a max of 200 mph, nevermind 1500 mph bullets..
but anyway
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I think MC will probably lose this match then because he can’t handle Gambit’s speed. Gambit’s throwing cards should be moving near the same speed of a bullet if he is not aim dodging. His staff should also move a little slower than that. I guess all Gambit would have to do is dodge MC’s bullets from a far until he gets close and then chuck a fuck load of cards and it’s over.
Or throw his staff and blow it up.
Or throw a bunch of cards or dirt to take out MC’s shields and distract him, close in and charge up his armor..although this is more risky.
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Overall Gambit wins 9/10. And his hypnotic charisma cancels out MC’s luck XD.
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I’d pick Gambit.
“…..Realistically speaking, they should be superhuman -.-
I guess peak human standards are just insanely high (or the writers are kinda dumb/don’t care about realism)…”
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Label some peak human then have them do something special that makes them more incredible since they’re thought to be operating at a level a human could actually achieve. At least that’s my guess.
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“On another note, who would win:
Daredevil or Gambit?”
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I saw a scan where they did battle it out and I think Gambit seemed to be getting the better over him even without using his cards.
“I’d pick Gambit.”
Me too but it would be a good fight
Would like to see gambit vs batman
“Label some peak human then have them do something special that makes them more incredible since they’re thought to be operating at a level a human could actually achieve. At least that’s my guess.”
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But it’s literally unachievable in real life…I’d say aim dodging is possibly achievable and makes a peak human incredible to be able to dodge multiple bullets. But dodging bullets inches before it hits you is just someone having super speed and perception rather than being instinctively skilled in dodging.
I would have much preferred Gambit was still in human terms of speed but still able to dodge attacks because of seemingly superhuman skill rather than superhuman speed. Labeling someone who can move at supersonic speeds peak human doesn’t make them that incredible. But a peak human who can do nearly the same stuff as someone who operates at that speed through skill is much more awesome.
“Would like to see gambit vs batman”
Didn’t you see this??
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XD
@Tarbel
They probably couldn’t keep it up indefinitely. They probably get tired and slow down at some point. If I were them I’d rather aim dodge then actually dodge to be on the safe side and reserve doing something like that only when I have to.
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Unless I’m like Thor, then i’d willing take the opportunity blocking bullets just for fun and say this when I missed one
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I think Gambit has a adamantium staff that Wolverine gave him, correct me if im wrong.
As far as gambit turning potential energy into kinetic energy, it won’t do him any good when it comes to blowing up MC with one touch. Here’s why, MC’s suit is surrounded by an energy shield. The field of the energy has no mass and therefore no potential energy. If gambit did try to use his powers against the energy shield it’d probably have no effect whatsoever. While gambit stood there stunned he’d probably have a whole punched in his head where his face used to be.
@captain epic actually johns suit is organic. Organic chemistry is a subdiscipline within chemistry involving the scientific study of the structure, properties, composition, reactions, and preparation (by synthesis or by other means) of carbon-based compounds, hydrocarbons, and their derivative. Carbon is a major component in the suit since its made from ceramic carbide. In case you didn’t know carbide refers to a compound that is composed of carbon and a less electronegative element.
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By the way IMHO, MC > than Captain America. The reason being he’s more believable as are his feats. Most marvel characters don’t make any sense. Just saying.
“As far as gambit turning potential energy into kinetic energy, it won’t do him any good when it comes to blowing up MC with one touch. Here’s why, MC’s suit is surrounded by an energy shield. The field of the energy has no mass and therefore no potential energy.”
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Hence the reason we went over his explosive weaponry that he could use to bring down Chief’s shields.
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“The reason being he’s more believable as are his feats. Most marvel characters don’t make any sense.”
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I get how most of the rest of marvel doesnt make sense but how does Chief seem more believable then Cap. They both are just augmented superhumans.
@iron lowk
Because MC underwent extensive training from the age of 6 and numerous biological augmentations many by surgery. While Captain America gets hit with the injection of one serum and presto he’s a super soldier with extensive tactical knowledge and immense strength that would tear a regular humans skeletal structure to shreds. So he had to grow knew bones, tendons and ligaments in like 30 seconds. How believable is that?
“How believable is that?”
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Since when did a Marvel comic book character have to be believable?
@Matt
He recieved training just like the Spartans did, it wasn’t popped into his head. And methinks you have the Movie version of the transformation in your mind; I don’t know how the comic version differs really though.
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And you’re complaining about realism in…Marvel? Take a seat son.
“Because MC underwent extensive training from the age of 6 and numerous biological augmentations many by surgery. While Captain America gets hit with the injection of one serum and presto he’s a super soldier with extensive tactical knowledge and immense strength that would tear a regular humans skeletal structure to shreds.”
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Cap seems underwent training
“military basic training; private tutoring in hand-to-hand combat, gymnastics, military strategy, piloting, demolition and other discipline”
He also seems to practice his skills often, work out, and I believe he currently does some spiritual stuff like chi or something.
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He didn’t seem start to start out superhuman. At first I believe he was just peak and I guess as it went along he started getting stronger by way of the serum and continually working out like he’s shown to do instead just having super strength and not trying to maintain it.
Just trying to point out that this was an unfair match from the beginning. Somebody obviously wanted MC to lose a match if they pitted him against a marvel character such as gambit.
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Let’s see how gambit would fair against someone more his speed. That is to say someone that has super powers. How about gambit vs goten or is that too much of a stomp in a DBZ character’s favor to be permitted on this site?
“How about gambit vs goten or is that too much of a stomp in a DBZ character’s favor to be permitted on this site?”
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Now you are just being ridiculous.
“Now you are just being ridiculous.”
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New Son vs Goten is plausible but likely New Son will win.
@matt:
what´s wrong with you..did you become butthurt just because one of your favorite characters got beaten up?
stop whining…
“How about gambit vs goten”
yeah look a average marvel character has won!!!
lets put him against a defenitively OP character to balance his win/lose ratio !!!
geeezz…
“New Son will win.”
mind enlighten me … in a nutshell?
“Just trying to point out that this was an unfair match from the beginning. ”
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There was an actual debate about it though. Chief has a viable way of hurting Gambit and possibly killing Gambit. Superstrength and bullets can still hurt gambit if they connect.
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“Somebody obviously wanted MC to lose a match if they pitted him against a marvel character such as gambit.”
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Why Gambit alright but I don’t think he’s anywhere near some of the actual top contenders of Marvel. Unlike that horrid Magneto vs Master chief match. I’m not sure why or how that was allowed to happen.
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“Let’s see how gambit would fair against someone more his speed. That is to say someone that has super powers. How about gambit vs goten”
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Pretty sure Goten Stomps. Hard. Iirc DBZ character tend to fuck shit up like towns just by yelling every few minutes.
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“or is that too much of a stomp in a DBZ character’s favor to be permitted on this site?”
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No, pretty sure DBZ character viable for there own stomp matches like most other character get.
“mind enlighten me … in a nutshell?”
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New Son can time travel, dimension travel, is FTL I believe, has complete control over all forms of kinetic and potential energy, can completely remove the potential energy from a victim rendering them unable to move or increase it to the point where they cannot stop themselves, and can change himself into pure energy.
@ redrum:
… yepp that sounds mean …
you are aware gambits power is just to have an accent that keeps on changing and randomly dissapearing!
but that just apllies to xmen origins wolverine.
wow master chief lost? never would have thought it.
So admin what’s good with that FP Award for this?