Suggested by AkumaTh
Avatar‘s (the Last Airbender) history clash as the two biggest antagonists of the series compete against each other. Azula is the daughter of Ozai, the Fire Nation King (at the time). She’s a firebending prodigy, sadistic, manipulative, and obsessed with power. Over 100 years later, Amon (making his first appearance on the pile) is the leader of the Equalists, a group of Chi-Blockers whose ultimate goal is to create equality by ridding the world of benders. Despite being a non-bender, he has shown to be a very skilled, agile and nimble fighter.
Azula is before the Boiling Rock incident, so she is sane. They are each equipped with their standard load out. And the fight takes place in an empty Metropolis (from DC Comics).
Can Azula finish the job future firebenders failed to complete? Or will Amon prove that the past should be left behind?
6/24/12 EDIT: Found out Amon is a Blood Bender. To ensure a non-stomp, he is still under the watch of the Equalists, so he can not reveal he is one to Azula. No hidden place to secretly bend.
Thought it’d be a stomp until I saw the edit. Nice catch. XD Now, Amon seems to have some pretty sweet reflexes and reaction time. I’m not sure if its enough to dodge lightening though.
Personally Amon was one of those characters where the writers are going “Look how badass and powerful he is!!” while the audience is just going(at least until he got his super-blood-bending) “…This guy wouldn’t last five seconds against Toph”
If Amon is a blood bender he should also be a water bender correct?
Deductive reasoning says yes. Won’t matter here, according to the scenario. He’s posing as one who cannot bend anything but his own limbs.
Part of me wants Amon to win because I found Azula to be alitle too bitchy but I know she actually might win this but I’ll just wait
Oh I thought he just had to hide his Blood Bending, ah well.
This is a hard one, Azula has shown firebending above the likes we’ve seen in the LoK and her attacks have been shown to have enough force to send Aang flying in Earth armor, shatter it and then destroy quite a bit of area behind him.
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Then there’s the lightning technique that would no doubt end Amon in a hit.
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Now we have Amon, who, even without his bloodbending, is an agile and skilled fighter but with such a handicap on his bloodbending and with Azula’s ruthlessness, I can’t see him defeating her. He defeated Korra in the middle of the season with his men’s help and disabled her on his own along with Mako but that’s with his bending available. Here, that won’t be the case.
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I can’t see this match working out as Azula lacks the CIS to allow Amon much of a chance while with bloodbending, she’ll be stomped from the start.
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Sad as I love both characters.
Could Amon dodge the lightening if he can predict where it goes? The lightening technique has buildup, and is easy to see coming once Azula starts the proper motions.
Amon has no chance. The only reason he accomplished anything before is because the characters are all absolute crap compared to the previous show’s characters. He’s a bigger, slower, less graceful, less skilled version of everybody’s favorite little contortionist. Azula has flight, lightning, and ridiculously powerful and large fire attacks. Before that big ol’ comet came moseying along she was already putting out some insanely large and strong fire attacks. Amon has very little he can do, especially if he can’t catch her off guard.
“Could Amon dodge the lightening if he can predict where it goes?”
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he actually did this in the series, ok granted the firebender in this matter was far below azula her level of skill.
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Then again if Amon would close the gap between him and azula and lock away her bending he wins. For as far as i know Azula is also a capeble and agile physical fighter much like Amon. The however would be that the bendinglock process of Amon (which under equalist supervision is still legit bloodbending) would most likely drain Azula of all her energy, which would mean she would end up to weak to continue the fight.
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So i would say Amon is gonna walk away as the winner here.
“Then again if Amon would close the gap between him and azula”
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Except she can FLYYYYYY.
“Except she can FLYYYYYY”
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Except she needs to focus on FLYYYIING at that moment. The moment she attempts an airborne attack Amon has every chance to predict and dodge the attack. So flying means little if it only wears YOU out and not your opponent.
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Sure i do know that if azula would land a hit with her bending that she roasts Amon in one shot. However i so far seen him dodge all forms of bending except Korra her airbending. which he did not expect since he had locked away her other bending forms.
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My money is still on Amon.
Would anyone else agree that blood bending is overpowered? Especially in Amon’s case since he doesn’t need to move his body. He just thinks, and can control just about anyone.
Thought it’d be a stomp until I saw the edit. Nice catch.
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When I made this match, it was before the final episode where the reveal was shown. Once I found out about that, I’ve went back to edit it to prevent it from being a stomp.
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I can’t see this match working out as Azula lacks the CIS to allow Amon much of a chance while with bloodbending, she’ll be stomped from the start.
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It’s been suggested that Amon does blood bend to avoid a good porton of the attacks that happen to him in the show. He does it in such a way no one can detect it. Would explain how he does so with such attack style. Subtle enough to avoid it but not enough to fully control it.
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The only reason he accomplished anything before is because the characters are all absolute crap compared to the previous show’s characters.
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What about Lin? Like her mother, she was awesome!
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Amon has very little he can do, especially if he can’t catch her off guard.
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You seem to forget that Amon does have stealth feats. And while he can’t hide from the Equalists to bend, he can still hide from Azula. Does Azula have good stealth detection skills?
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he however would be that the bendinglock process of Amon (which under equalist supervision is still legit bloodbending)
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Nope. As far as they are concern it is him taking away their bending. If Amon can set it up it’ll be legal. The question is does he have the skill to do so?
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Would anyone else agree that blood bending is overpowered? Especially in Amon’s case since he doesn’t need to move his body. He just thinks, and can control just about anyone.
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I do agree. That’s why this is Amon before the reveal. He can’t bend water or blood without alerting the Equalists. So he is unable to do so against Azula in this match.
Amon could fight on equal ground with Azula for a while.
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Then Azula would use a huge, inescapable AOE attack.
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Zuko can block those things. Aang can block those things. Other benders can block. Amon can’t block.
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Azula roasts her competition. Azula vs Natsu, that would be interesting.
“Would anyone else agree that blood bending is overpowered?”
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To a certain degree yes, but at a certain point we would be stressing no limits fallacy. Like if someone were to say that they could control anyone who had blood (or water) in their body.
“Azula vs Natsu, that would be interesting.”
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Ehhh Azula vs That Guy Who Eats Fire, yeaahhhh….
Then Azula would use a huge, inescapable AOE attack.
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What is her Area of effect attack? Not to mention the location is Metropolis, a huge city with not only wide areas but also enclosed spaces.
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This is first and foremost a battle of strategies before the physical fighting. Who can lure the other to a location that would benefit them?
Amon is an extremely skilled fighter. True Azula is a powerful bender, for her era, in Amon’s era lightning and metal bending are as common as any other bending art. Bloodbending in his dads era was around so much so that it was made illegal.
Let’s look at Iroh2 he was able to pull off the jet thing much like Azula but was also able to do other things like fire blasts and lightning. It’s quite likely that bending becoming more and more used caused it to become more powerful over time but I digress.
Here’s the biggest thing, as far as Azula knows, Amon is a regular non bender, with some fighting like Tai Lee she has no knowledge of blood bending whatsoever and wouldn’t understand how he so easily dodges even her lightning. While this is pre boiling rock any defeat seriously screws Azula’s mindset, her friends betrayal didn’t help. Amon is going to be dodging her and she’s going to slowly get madder and more out of whack as the fight goes as Amon calmly dodges her attacks as if he weren’t even there. It’s very likely he could drive her to madness by being so difficult to dodge. Her mental state is fragile and Amon is a master manipulator.
“Amon is going to be dodging her and she’s going to slowly get madder and more out of whack as the fight goes as Amon calmly dodges her attacks as if he weren’t even there.”
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We can’t count on Azula’s mental state to be broken by Amon.
No we can’t count on it but knowing her character it is very possible.
I wouldn’t say its a no limits fallacy on blood bending, if only because blood is the same no matter what. Blood in the avatarverse is the same kind of blood that is present in other universes. But that’s beside the point.
“I wouldn’t say its a no limits fallacy on blood bending, if only because blood is the same no matter what. Blood in the avatarverse is the same kind of blood that is present in other universes.”
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No you misunderstand, I mean that being able control anyone, no matter how powerful they maybe (Ex: Naruto) would be a no limits fallacy.
Oh, my mistake. I get it. Using your example, why wouldn’t Naruto be affected?
No. Lin is as stupid as the rest of the fucktard cast. She is irredeemable. She has.. Ooo, cables. Wowee. I’m -so- impressed. She failed just as hard as the others, despite however much more style she may have put in to things. Lin -and- Amon are as big of a flop as the writing for the show they come from. Amon has no defense against the kind of vicious aerial assaults Azula can let launch at him -while she is FLYING-, I might add.
“Using your example, why wouldn’t Naruto be affected?”
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I’m not saying he wouldn’t, however at a certain point his physical strength maybe too much or perhaps even his chakra might over power it.
I agree about chakra being able to overpower the bending, since they ALMOST function the same eat. I say that loosely, so correct me on that one. Physical strength alone is another issue. Muscles have blood, blah blah predictable fact.
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Amon with bending vs Edward Elric might be entertaining. What with automail.
“Ehhh Azula vs That Guy Who Eats Fire, yeaahhhh….” -She’d be able to survive most of his fire, but can Natsu survive lightning?
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@Sauroposeidon- I don’t think Azula can fly without Sozin’s Comet.
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“I’m not saying he wouldn’t, however at a certain point his physical strength maybe too much or perhaps even his chakra might over power it.”
-For example, I’m sure bloodbending wouldn’t do a thing against the Hulk.
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I’m in support of Azula simply because I think a master martial artist with fire powers is greater than a master martial artist without fire powers. Stealth wouldn’t help Amon much, because Azula would just blow apart all shelter.
“She’d be able to survive most of his fire, but can Natsu survive lightning?”
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yes, he has. I he’s also got a fire lightning attack as well.
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“For example, I’m sure bloodbending wouldn’t do a thing against the Hulk.”
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He could probably leave him floating in mid air. That about it.
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So can Amon still secretly bloodbend? Like to slow her down or make it seem like she has really bad aim by moving her arms.
yea azula lost to ty lee just sayin
I think Azula wins, because of aforementioned mentioned reasons (AoE.)
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However, we have only seen Season 1 of LoK, which is in Republic City. There may be much more powerful benders outside the city, as the only bending there seems to be weak and either for sport or threat. IMO, this should’ve been delayed until Season 2, as Amon may come back with some ability that wouldn’t be obviously seen as bending.
“yes, he has. I he’s also got a fire lightning attack as well.” -Ah, did not know that. Nevermind, then.
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“yea azula lost to ty lee just sayin” -Irrelevant. Ty Lee took her by surprise.
I… Don’t think Amon is coming back. <_<
didnt amon get blown up in the end. i highly doubt he is coming back but you never know
@Lowk
yeah he can still do that.
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And Yakon kind of pulled that whole murder suicide thing to blow him and Amon up, really really doubt they’ll reverse that. Or that there’s even a way to.
Lolz Akuma
“he however would be that the bendinglock process of Amon (which under equalist supervision is still legit bloodbending)
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Nope. As far as they are concern it is him taking away their bending. If Amon can set it up it’ll be legal. The question is does he have the skill to do so?”
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to the first part of this quote, for some reason i have the feeling you did not understand me correctly. as i called this bendinglock process a legal and not an illigal move. and yes i do think he has the ability to set it up.
@Nick: Ah, the wording seem to suggest it would be illegal since it is blood bending.
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Amon has no defense against the kind of vicious aerial assaults Azula can let launch at him -while she is FLYING-, I might add.
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Besides being in buildings where flying wouldn’t help? Or the fact there is (as far as I remember) no feats of her flying while attacking?
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So can Amon still secretly bloodbend? Like to slow her down or make it seem like she has really bad aim by moving her arms.
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If he can do it without being detected, then yes. Thing is you have to show him doing so.
Amon is a flop as a character? I found him to be extremely intresting. That said I feel Azula takes this.
“If he can do it without being detected, then yes.”
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Well with Mako he showed him controlling to bring his head to face him all He was doing was walking.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXmVdvdJfFc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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So he should be able to lock her up really quick or at least enough to mess her up enough while he’s advancing to get close enough to do some damage.
With even a bit of bloodbending, Amon’s chances go way up. Is it conceivable that he could freeze Azula’s heart, causing her to die for no reason apparent to outside observers? Or is there a real reason that has never happened?
“No. Lin is as stupid as the rest of the fucktard cast. She is irredeemable. She has.. Ooo, cables. Wowee. I’m -so- impressed. She failed just as hard as the others, despite however much more style she may have put in to things. Lin -and- Amon are as big of a flop as the writing for the show they come from. Amon has no defense against the kind of vicious aerial assaults Azula can let launch at him -while she is FLYING-, I might add.”
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Someone didn’t like the Legend of Korra. Although I do see what you mean with how the new Krew doesn’t compare with the Gaang in terms of fighting ability. But I guess that’s because the writers were trying to be realistic. With the Gaang, we literally saw some of the best of the best benders in the entire world at that time. With the Krew, we’re with a bunch of mooks trying to fight a bunch of Aangs.
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Although, in terms of this fight, Amon is gonna do what he always does. He’s going to perform his impressive acrobatics while using minute blood-bending to cause Azula to miss. Even if she is lucky enough to actually hit Amon with lightning (which is highly improbable), he has survived being hit by such an attack before. Azula would need Sozin’s Comet to take on Amon.
Is it conceivable that he could freeze Azula’s heart, causing her to die for no reason apparent to outside observers? Or is there a real reason that has never happened?
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No. Autopsy reports would show that she died via bending, so no for that.
“No. Autopsy reports would show that she died via bending, so no for that.”
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How about that we just don’t see it in-universe? That’s a good enough reason for me.
Just noticed. This match was created by its suggestor. Abusing power?
Any actual proof that he even does any “minute blood-bending” in canon?
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If not we shouldn’t just say he does here.
“Any actual proof that he even does any “minute blood-bending” in canon?”
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IIRC it’s how he was actually taking away people’s ability to bend.
@Slayer Lowk
“IIRC it’s how he was actually taking away people’s ability to bend.”
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I’m talking about this “his blood-bends his opponents attacks it miss” and the like.
“his blood-bends his opponents attacks it miss”>“he blood-bends his opponents attacks it miss”
“he blood-bends his opponents attacks it miss”
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I was talking about using the lock up move he does. It’d be sort of like if you were to hesitate and your opponent were to take advantage of it. Except in Amon case he’d know when it would happen.
“I was talking about using the lock up move he does. It’d be sort of like if you were to hesitate and your opponent were to take advantage of it. Except in Amon case he’d know when it would happen.”
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But you can only use that if you can prove he did it in the fights in front of the other Equalists, other wise the OP says no blood-bending.
considering azula beat ang and nearly killed him with one hit i dont see how ammon stands a chance.
Yes Korra had more raw abilty and talent than ang did but she wasn’t fully trained.
don’t forget how smart azula is she dissects opponents and learns how to make them mentally break down. she knew zuko did so many things in the series and she basically totured her mother.
the girl has no limits.
“But you can only use that if you can prove he did it in the fights in front of the other Equalists, other wise the OP says no blood-bending.”
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Well he was essentially was blood bending right in front of them the whole time when he was taking away blood bend/knocking them out and all he really has to do is look at her to do the lock up thing.
So he’s okay with using it as long as its subtle.
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“considering azula beat ang and nearly killed him with one hit i dont see how ammon stands a chance.”
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Last I checked she got him with his back turned at his most vulnerable moment when he couldn’t fight or move.
Also wasn’t tired Aang good enough to be able to take her on?
Just noticed. This match was created by its suggestor. Abusing power?
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No. Abusing power would be posting ONLY my matches and no one else’s. And as you see, I do not do that. Only once after many, MANY others. And I won’t be posting another match until the Admin gives me my next set of matches to put up. Or editing posts in this topic to make them say something else.
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Yes Korra had more raw abilty and talent than ang did but she wasn’t fully trained.
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According to the story, Korra was a fully trained Earth, Fire and Water bender by the time she entered Republic City. Aang, for all he was worth, was only at best a master of Air and Water. According to the end of the series, he was not a master of Earth and Fire.
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Well he was essentially was blood bending right in front of them the whole time when he was taking away blood bend/knocking them out and all he really has to do is look at her to do the lock up thing.
So he’s okay with using it as long as its subtle.
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He’s talking about having proof of him blood bending while in battle. He wants proof of Amon being able to blood bend enough to make a bender miss without being noticeable.
@Slayer Lowk
“Well he was essentially was blood bending right in front of them the whole time when he was taking away blood bend/knocking them out and all he really has to do is look at her to do the lock up thing.
So he’s okay with using it as long as its subtle.”
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Yeah, but “subtle” is the last word to describe most uses of blood bending.
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Hell half the time it makes you float, but the times your talking about are just about the only times it doesn’t make the target jerk around, which would be a real giveaway that somethings going on.
“Just noticed. This match was created by its suggestor. Abusing power?”
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Think before you speak. Suggesters are debaters as well. They have every right to post a match once and awhile.
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“Aang, for all he was worth, was only at best a master of Air and Water.’
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Yeah… the Avatar status was wasted on Aang.
@Sorrow: As far as I rememeber, he didn’t do much with the Avatar State when against Azula. The one time he used it on her, she shot him in the back with lightning.
@akuma there was the one time at the northern water tribe he was moving the ocean. and he took the fire lords bending
“and he took the fire lords bending”
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That Lion Turtle incident was one of the biggest pieces of PIS I have ever seen.
LoK season 1 was flawed, rushed and all, but the writers had their reasons: Season 1 was supposed to be a mini series consisting of 26 episodes, but then Nick gave them the green light and actually DEMANDED for season 2 and possibly 3-4 to be made. That’s what I heard anyways. Hopefully, Season 2 of Korra will be much better: Korra will be traveling through the Spirit World, and the creators have confirmed that we will learn about the Avatar lineage and how it all began. This is already a step in the right direction IMO.
@sorrow
please expound
An island sized Lion Turtle comes out of nowhere just before the eve of Avatar Aang’s final fight with the Fire Nation and then gives him a deus ex machina bending attack to win against the Emperor without having to kill him.
” @Sauroposeidon- I don’t think Azula can fly without Sozin’s Comet.”
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She did so in the Boiling Rock episodes.
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Ozai flew during the comet, Azula just boosts around.
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“If he can do it without being detected, then yes. Thing is you have to show him doing so.”
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He did so in the finale to Korra and Mako, until the Lt walked in to ruin it and die.
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“Someone didn’t like the Legend of Korra.”
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I personally hated the show as well, the Krew was just so badly characterized in my opinion. The ending was shit too.
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“He’s going to perform his impressive acrobatics while using minute blood-bending to cause Azula to miss.”
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Why not just hit him with enough fire? Azula doesn’t really pull her punches much and wouldn’t mind just going for the kill. Combine that with her mobility and he’ll be struggling a bit to deal with her.
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“Also wasn’t tired Aang good enough to be able to take her on?”
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Well, he really didn’t fight her during The Chase. He just tried to avoid her and by then, the Gaang showed up.
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“Yeah… the Avatar status was wasted on Aang.”
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Same can be said with Korra. Kyoshi was the most bad-ass Avatar IMO
“Same can be said with Korra. Kyoshi was the most bad-ass Avatar IMO”
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Never got around to seeing Korra, but I can’t say I am surprised. Kyoshi was pretty awesome indeed, seeing as she was able to split an entire island in half and then move it.
@sorrow
lol yea im just remembering that yea that was kind of a botched finale
“She did so in the Boiling Rock episodes.” -You’re right. At least, she can rocket in one direction well enough. She’d only be able to firebend with her feet, though.
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“Why not just hit him with enough fire? Azula doesn’t really pull her punches much and wouldn’t mind just going for the kill.” -I agree with this, and I think a feat for the fastest attack Amon has ever inaccurate-ized would be awfully helpful.
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“An island sized Lion Turtle comes out of nowhere just before the eve of Avatar Aang’s final fight with the Fire Nation and then gives him a deus ex machina bending attack to win against the Emperor without having to kill him.”
-I think you see it the wrong way. Aang was lucky enough to find a way to not have to kill, but he still had to defeat Ozai. It’s not like it provided the solution to the main problem; the ultimate outcome of whether Ozai would win or lose wasn’t affected by it.
“-I think you see it the wrong way. Aang was lucky enough to find a way to not have to kill, but he still had to defeat Ozai. It’s not like it provided the solution to the main problem; the ultimate outcome of whether Ozai would win or lose wasn’t affected by it.”
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Oh come on you know that Lion Turtle thing coming out of the literal blue was awkward. They never even explained why it could talk, what it’s true purpose was, where it came from, why not even a creature who can detect smells from across entire counties couldn’t detect Aang, or how the flying fuck it knew how bend chi. -.- Context is everything.
@Soldier’s Shadow at #62
I’d say more on her, but General Blood Dancer would kill me if I do, so All I’ll say is this, ‘Kyoshi is Boss, enough said!’
Fair enough?
Yes, enough is said in that regard.
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I think that Azula’s advantage here is the utter volume of hurt that she can pull out. Amon is agile, but even that has its limits against walls of flaming flame.
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I assumed the Lion Turtle was supposed to be some big cheese Spirit that manifested in the physical world to give the knowledge to Aang, hence its seemingly instant appearance. The Spirits seemed to have at least a small interest in the corporeal world’s affairs.
There was a picture of the Lion Turtle in the library episode, so it wasn’t completely “out of nowhere”… Close though.
there was the one time at the northern water tribe he was moving the ocean. and he took the fire lords bending
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Really? How did Azula deal with all of that? (Yes, I did know of those instances, but it doesn’t help that Azula never dealt with that)
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Same can be said with Korra. Kyoshi was the most bad-ass Avatar IMO
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At least she had an excuse. She wasn’t connected to the spirits like Aang was.
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lol yea im just remembering that yea that was kind of a botched finale
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So everyone agrees. Five minutes and not only does she master the Avatar State but masters Spirit Bending. I hope they retconned it so Aang was doing all that. I can see her finally getting it but not mastering it instantly. She’s not that talented.
“Oh come on you know that Lion Turtle thing coming out of the literal blue was awkward.” -Sure, there was only one mention of lion turtles a while before one actually showed up, but everything else was written well, don’t you think? The show was all pre-written, so at most they just didn’t think this aspect through enough.
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“They never even explained why it could talk, what it’s true purpose was, where it came from” -It’s an animal. It’s purpose is to go around living. It talks because it can. What do you mean? It was ever explained why humans or Smaug could talk, but we assume it’s because they’re smart enough to do so. The lion turtle was very mysterious, I’ll give you that, but it was supposed to be.
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“how the flying fuck it knew how bend chi.” -Come now, it’s the energybending animal in the same way that badgermoles earthbend, dragons firebend, and sky bison airbend. Be happy!
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“Amon is agile, but even that has its limits against walls of flaming flame.” -Supplemented with subtle bloodbending to make Azula miss, his evasion would be much more effective. However, he likely won’t be able to use it every strike, because if someone like Azula is going wide every time, that would get quite suspicious. She’d also figure it out and start attacking faster, and she can strike pretty fast. Plus, if Amon makes use of the buildings for cover, they’ll eventually all become wreathed in fire, leaving him quite open to attack.
I liked the ending of Korra. To those who say that she mastered the Avatar State so quickly, that was because she had to unlock her chakras throughout the series. She also didn’t “master Energy-bending”, it was obviously the Avatar State that allowed her to do that.
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To those who question whether Amon uses minute blood-bending, it was stated by Mako in an obvious Writer-Statement that that is how he was always beating all of his opponents.
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“because if someone like Azula is going wide every time, that would get quite suspicious. ”
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It won’t get suspicious, though. What Amon does is make every attack go slightly wide. Just enough so that his tricky ninja moves look like they’re doing all of the work, when in fact they are only doing most of it.
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Azula is also not able to send the “flaming walls of fire” in this scenario. She has only done things akin to that when Sozin’s Comet is nearby. It’s just the normal fire-punches and fire-kicks we’re dealing with here. Amon has faced this kind of thing before and won handily.
@Soulerous
And the Spirits have been known to teach mortals knowledge, like how the Koi spirits taught waterbending.
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Given the Lion Turtle’s especially over the top appearance, and more esoteric knowledge, I’d guess that it is indeed a spirit, instead of a mere animal.
“I’d guess that it is indeed a spirit, instead of a mere animal.” -I’d guess otherwise. We have knowledge that the lion turtle Aang encountered was the last of it’s species, all the others having died out, and it apparently existed since the beginning of time, which does make it sound more supernatural, but it was never called a spirit by any of the creators of the show. The wiki insists it is an animal.
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Anyway, I thought it was really cool.
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“What Amon does is make every attack go slightly wide. Just enough so that his tricky ninja moves look like they’re doing all of the work, when in fact they are only doing most of it.” -Alright, but I still support my other reasons.
“Supplemented with subtle bloodbending to make Azula miss, his evasion would be much more effective. ”
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Blood bending is painful. She’d know it the first time it happened.
“To those who question whether Amon uses minute blood-bending, it was stated by Mako in an obvious Writer-Statement that that is how he was always beating all of his opponents.”
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I’m sorry, but you’ll need actual WOG to prove this.
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No blood-bending we’ve ever seen has been “subtle”, able to be disguised as spirit-bending yes, but never “subtle”.
liked the ending of Korra. To those who say that she mastered the Avatar State so quickly, that was because she had to unlock her chakras throughout the series.
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It wasn’t that. It was because she wasn’t connected to the spirit world like Aang was. She was more into the physical aspects of bending and less into the spirit side of it. That’s why she had trouble mastering Airbending.
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Blood bending is painful. She’d know it the first time it happened.
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Not really. If its like an instant, one enough to make that slight width, then she wouldn’t feel it. Kind of like how you can walk across water with cornstarch.
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To those who question whether Amon uses minute blood-bending, it was stated by Mako in an obvious Writer-Statement that that is how he was always beating all of his opponents.
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That explains a lot, but you will need to prove this.
Well Amon was able to psychically move the attacks even when fighting right in front of the Equalists.
Also, Amon is by far the most vicious antagonist the Avatar series has seen, and I think he’d dust off Azula with little to no effort.
“Not really. If its like an instant, one enough to make that slight width, then she wouldn’t feel it. Kind of like how you can walk across water with cornstarch.”
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But has there ever been an instance where Blood bending has been used in such a subtle way?
@The Geek Lord
“Well Amon was able to psychically move the attacks even when fighting right in front of the Equalists.”
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I’ll say it one more time, don’t just say it, prove it.
And then once he got in close, it would all be over.
Her bending would be G-O-N-E.
“Don’t just say it, prove it.”
Urghle, fine!
Well I just did some research. I’m still searching for the psychic thing, but Amon did dodge several lightning attacks from Lightning Bolt Zolt before he took his bending. WHICH I will prove at a later date. But that is a fact. It happened. Either episode 1 or 2, not sure right now…
Whether she realizes it instantly or not, Azula will end up figuring out that Amon is tampering with her aim.
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He also seems to have a lot of trouble against airbending, and seems to dance around the smaller jets of firebending, meaning he’ll find it much harder to dodge wider blasts.
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“Any attack we throw at him, he’ll redirect with his mind. That’s how he’s been able to challenge any bender.” -That’s the exact quote from Mako.
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In my experience, Azula has displayed greater acrobatic feats than Amon. If she decides to conjure those fireblades for use in hand-to-hand combat, she would have powerful weapons in addition to martial skill, and it would give her flexibility in that she could sneak in a fire attack whilst weaving around in melee combat. At that range, with her speed, I think Azula comes out on top.
“I’m sorry, but you’ll need actual WOG to prove this.”
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After it is revealed to Mako that Amon has blood-bending, he goes “That’s how he’s been able to beat every bender he’s faced!” Or something to that effect. What do you think this was supposed to be, other than the doling out of information? What possible purpose could they have had for this other than to inform the viewers? Are you suggesting Mako is biased? That makes no sense. Writers and animators make it obvious when you are supposed to believe something, and this was obviously supposed to be taken at face value.
“He also seems to have a lot of trouble against airbending,”
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He was caught completely by surprise.
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“At that range, with her speed, I think Azula comes out on top.”
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Or Amon just chi-blocks her. He just needs to touch practically any part of her, and she’s done with that limb.
@Aelfinn
“After it is revealed to Mako that Amon has blood-bending, he goes “That’s how he’s been able to beat every bender he’s faced!””
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First, I don’t remember that, so video please.
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And then, that’s not WOG, we’ve seen those fights, there was nothing that looked anything like what your talking about, so he could just be talking out of his ass, to try to convince himself that the masters of his time aren’t the crap they seem to be.
But has there ever been an instance where Blood bending has been used in such a subtle way?
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That’s for the Amon supporters to prove. But it would explain how he is able to achieve such feats when normal cases mean he would be in trouble.
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He also seems to have a lot of trouble against airbending
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Not really. He had trouble with Korra’s Airbending, because he took away her bending. How she is able to bend Air despite being Chi Blocked, I don’t know.
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And then, that’s not WOG, we’ve seen those fights, there was nothing that looked anything like what your talking about, so he could just be talking out of his ass, to try to convince himself that the masters of his time aren’t the crap they seem to be.
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Keep in mind Bending has evolved a long way from back then. Lightning Bending was something only certain benders can do. Now it seems like any Fire Bender can do it as Mako is no where near the skill level of Azula, yet is still capable of shooting lightning.
@AkumaTh
“Keep in mind Bending has evolved a long way from back then. Lightning Bending was something only certain benders can do. Now it seems like any Fire Bender can do it as Mako is no where near the skill level of Azula, yet is still capable of shooting lightning.”
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True, but Toph’s response to Amon would be to just sink him up to his neck in the ground, problem solved.
“Or Amon just chi-blocks her. He just needs to touch practically any part of her, and she’s done with that limb.” -And Azula can put herself in the same position, except with longer range and the potential to completely slice off a limb. But that’s if she even does that instead of staying at range.
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“He had trouble with Korra’s Airbending, because he took away her bending.”
-And he didn’t even dodge the attacks even though Korra didn’t knock him through the wall for several seconds, so if he stays stunned by soeone’s ability to attack him for that long, that’s a serious weakness. But I was also referring to Tenzin’s attack. Amon had been facing them in a battle stance for a while, then was completely blown off the stage by one attack he must have seen coming. Of course, he had limited room in the hallway against Korra, and Tenzin’s attack was huge, but that’s my point. Amon has more trouble dodging large attacks, so Azula would probably have to use such to touch him. Or sneak attacks.
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“Lightning Bending was something only certain benders can do. Now it seems like any Fire Bender can do it as Mako is no where near the skill level of Azula, yet is still capable of shooting lightning.”
-And General Iroh (Zuko’s grandson) was able to fly even better than Azula did. It’s all a matter of practice, and I’m not surprised that such sub-types of bending were practiced more after the end of the war. It doesn’t mean the fighters are better, though.
“Whether she realizes it instantly or not, Azula will end up figuring out that Amon is tampering with her aim.”
Yeah well realizing it isn’t going to stop him.
Also, as to your theory of Amon not being able to evade wide attacks, in the last episode, he leaped through an entire wall of fire that Korra had created to slow him down.
“Azula is also not able to send the “flaming walls of fire” in this scenario.”
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She can use her flames in a flame thrower fashion considering she’s regarded as one of the greatest firebenders in the world, far more skilled and those beneath her level of power have used the technique.
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“Amon has faced this kind of thing before and won handily.”
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I don’t think he’s ever faced an opponent as ruthless or skilled as Azula is. He’s taken down Korra before but that was with outside help and full use of his blood bending. No one else he’s faced was as good as Azula.
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“Not really. If its like an instant, one enough to make that slight width, then she wouldn’t feel it.”
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If he guides her attacks slightly off target, why can’t she just use an off limb to attack too or fire jump away?
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“And then once he got in close, it would all be over.
Her bending would be G-O-N-E.”
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That’s not in question at all.
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“Or Amon just chi-blocks her. He just needs to touch practically any part of her, and she’s done with that limb.”
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If he can get close and Azula’s got plenty of ways to establish range between the two as well as comparable speed and reactions to use an off handed fire attack to send him back.
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Also, CAN Amon chi-block?
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I cant seem to remember him doing it, but I’m not really sure.
@Soldier’s Shadow
Not gonna lie, but I don’t know what in this match is scarier.
The fact that Amon could snipe Azula via BloodBending but the other Equalists are preventing him from doing so in public, or the fact that (her brother + their Father notwithstanding) Azula’s said to be the very best-known Firebender the Fire Nation itself ever had in Aang’s time?(Obviously Aang’s predecessor in Azula’s + Zuko’s how-many-times-over(?) Grandfather in Avatar Roku*check spelling please?* is better, but I meant Aang’s time, not his + Sozin’s!)
“Also, as to your theory of Amon not being able to evade wide attacks, in the last episode, he leaped through an entire wall of fire that Korra had created to slow him down.” -Leaping over flames is an entirely different thing from evading blasts of blue fire capable of shattering stone.
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“Also, CAN Amon chi-block?” -He is quite capable in this regard, even if he doesn’t do it much.
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@Soldier’s Shadow- I agree with all of that.
I don’t think he’s ever faced an opponent as ruthless or skilled as Azula is. He’s taken down Korra before but that was with outside help and full use of his blood bending. No one else he’s faced was as good as Azula.
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That is a two way street. Azula never faced an opponent as cold and calculating as Amon. Not to mention she never faced a Blood Bender of any level. Which reminds me, does the rules state she knows what blood bending is? There are conflicting rules with that.
“Not to mention she never faced a Blood Bender of any level.’
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Which again still begs the question, when has there ever been an instance where Blood Bending could be used without being detected?
its from a wiki and i know they are frowned upon here but it did say he could psychic bloodbend, bending with out physical movement
“Which again still begs the question, when has there ever been an instance where Blood Bending could be used without being detected?”
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Honestly, it’s always seemed to me to be flat out magic that Blood Bending doesn’t kill anyone it’s used on.
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It moves the blood in your body with enough force to move you, hell to make you float around, but somehow that not only doesn’t kill you, but while this is going on, your blood is somehow finding time in it’s busy day to do it’s normal job…. You know, pumping through your heart, going to your brain, all those little, unimportant things.
Not my point. Has there been an instance where the victim has ever been unaware that they are being manipulated by Blood Bending?
@Amm0vamp1r3
“its from a wiki and i know they are frowned upon here but it did say he could psychic bloodbend, bending with out physical movement”
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We’re not doubting that, it’s that he can do this without anyone noticing that we doubt.
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Like I’ve said, blood bending is not a subtle art.