Suggested by Belisaurius
Considering both of them are regenitive persons of mass destruction that each artillery for lunch, why not?
Guyver, making his second appearance on the pile, from the manga series of the same name, takes on a favorite from Prototype: Alex Mercer. Thanks to the Blacklight, Alex is a force to be reckoned with. But if any character has a chance of standing up to him, it’s Guyver.
Can Guyver prove he deserves more matches? Or will Alex show there is a reason why he only had one match?
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First!!!!XD
I will go for Alex Mercer in this one.
Never heard of that guy, so I’m betting Alex.
Yea, Alex took a nuke head on, and he regenerated like nothing happend & keeps walking.
It wasn’t head-on, he was flying away from it after dropping it into the ocean. And he did absorb a crow after being turned into a pile of slime, so I wouldn’t put so much credit into his regeneration to that degree. It’s still very impressive though. I suppose if he had time, he would’ve regenerated by himself.
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The power I’m betting on is absorbtion. I believe he only needs to get a hold of his opponent with his mad speed and reach, and consume the target.
I’m assuming this is the base Guyver I model, and not Sho’s Guyver Gigantic?
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1JL7WJdroA
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The intro to the Guyver anime, just for people who aren’t acquainted with it.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvSzrxpUlLc
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Various clips of Guyver’s Mega Smasher
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Also included in the Guyver’s arsenal are sonic emitters which hone in on the perfect frequency to try and shatter the target, a head mounted pulse laser, high frequency elbow blades which can extend and work by disrupting the molecular bonds with their high frequency wave lengths, and a gravity control orb. The orb lets them fly, fire hadouken-like attacks, but to me their most important feature is they can form a sort of shield using gravity to disrupt attacks trying to get through to them.
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The guyver’s greatest strength and also its greatest weakness is the control medal. It can completely regenerate the guyver and host even if they are killed, but if the medal is destroyed the armor goes out of control and destroys the host.
How much force would it take to kill a human? Alex is able to kill standard people with a single, casual jab. I’m assuming that can be a minimal feat, seeing as how the same punch breaks stone, metal and brick. With Muscle Mass, that force is multiplied, but I don’t know by how much. A casual punch with Muscle Mass makes normal human beings explode in a big, gorey mess. There’s math in there, but I’m not good at it.
I played Prototype when I was 11. Game was fun but my parents returned it after seeing me play it. Got through some of it but after seeing what Alex can do I think he would actually win this hands down
…I don’t know if I’m comfortable going over stuff as violent as Guyver and Alex with a minor.
Doesn’t Alex’s abilities improve as he’s exposed to more and more dangerous situations? After that run in with the nuke, I could assume he’s more “hardy” against nukes or against overall damage.
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Any durability feats for Guyver? You guys are assuming it can be absorbed, even though Alex hasn’t demonstrated the ability to absorb anything quite like the Guyver unit.
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I feel like this could be a good battle, but we need more feats more Guyver, reaction time, movement, strength, and durability.
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Guyver’s weapons seem to be pretty powerful, Sauro’s video shows that it’s Mega Smasher is powerful enough to rip up a tank (based on what it did in the video) maybe even more, but it’s charge time makes it impractical, since that video didn’t show them really moving while charging it, and Alex is smart to not just sit there whilst the Guyver does so. The Guyver does have a pretty powerful little tool on it, in the form of it’s Sonic Emitter, since it’s most powerful setting is essentially to essentially disintegrate into a cloud disparate particles. Which would more than likely be very painful for Alex, provided it doesn’t kill him outright.
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But again, we need more feats, charge times, range, how fast is it? Is there a limit to the amount of times it can use it before it has to recharge, or does it lose the ability to use it outright? Even then, while it’s charging, what’s to stop Alex from moving away from it, and finding some cover?
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Okay, I’m done XD
“After that run in with the nuke, I could assume he’s more “hardy” against nukes or against overall damage.”
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The ending of Prototype 2 shows that Alex does have a limit to his regeneration though.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGHiWB5li2I#t=5m21s
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Beat him down enough and his regeneration won’t cover limbs anymore.
“I played Prototype when I was 11. Game was fun but my parents returned it after seeing me play it. Got through some of it but after seeing what Alex can do I think he would actually win this hands down”
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A 14 year old…..interesting.
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I have never heard of Guyver, but I know Mercer very well. Mercer is very strong and very agile. He is super durable and has a badass regen. I need to do more research on Guyver before I make a decision.
What 16 people aren’t going to see Expendables 2!?!? I guess there are 16 vaginas on this site. I look forward to going to a massive brawl at the theater and maybe watching a movie that broke out.
Guyver uses his sonic blaster and turns Mercer to dust.
“The ending of Prototype 2 shows that Alex does have a limit to his regeneration though.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGHiWB5li2I#t=5m21s
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Beat him down enough and his regeneration won’t cover limbs anymore.”
It’s always gorey as fuck when Prototype is involved…
Can we assume he just didn’t have time to regenerate? Heller didn’t give him very much of a chance to regenerate before consuming him.
“Can we assume he just didn’t have time to regenerate? Heller didn’t give him very much of a chance to regenerate before consuming him.”
I believe this is the real reason why Mercer didn’t regen his limbs, Heller simply didn’t give him the time to.
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“The guyver’s greatest strength and also its greatest weakness is the control medal. It can completely regenerate the guyver and host even if they are killed, but if the medal is destroyed the armor goes out of control and destroys the host.”
Where is this control medal, is it that thing on his forehead?
“I believe this is the real reason why Mercer didn’t regen his limbs, Heller simply didn’t give him the time to.”
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Heller cuts off Mercer’s arm in 4:57 and it grows right back almost immediately. Actually, the entire sequence after that mark is Heller just cutting off Mercer’s arms and Mercer growing them right back again. It isn’t until the last one where Mercer actually stops regaining his arms. That’s what I meant by a limit on regeneration.
Correct me if I’m wrong, haven’t seen Guyver since I was like 8. Isn’t just the act of transforming capable of disintegrating someone in close range?
Yes, the act of transforming unleashes a powerful blast.. I just don’t remember what destructive level it has. You can kind of see the effects of it shredding the area around Sho and lifting big chunks of concrete as he transforms in the opening credits, though.. so with that kind of energy I presume a normal human being would be torn to shreds.
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Also, yes to the control medal being on his forehead. That’s what controls the bio-booster armor, as the technology is based on a high parasitical creature which absorbs and consumes, and if destroyed the armor will do the same to the user of the armor. Although because it assimilates the user, the two become one in a very sarlaac-like fashion it appears, because it regrows Sho at some point in time after it consumes him. He has all his memories and everything. It isn’t a new Sho, it’s STILL the same old Sho. While linked with the armor, the control medal and the brain are connected, and are essentially two halves of a whole.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E6jSlF04AQ&feature=related
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Guyver I’s first fight against Gregole. Gregole has a profile at the end of the episode. It is stated to have 15 times the strength of a normal human being, it’s soft tissue acts as shock absorbers, and no conventional weapons are able to penetrate its skin. Guyver easily over comes Gregole, and doesn’t even flinch when Gregole tries to crush its head. The Guyver’s megasmasher is also displayed here when he defeats Vamore. This video is only good for showing off the Megasmasher and Guyver’s physical strength. Not for any of its other gear.
I’m gonna say stomp. Guyver has way too many powerful weapons he can use to crush Mercer. In order for it to be a fair fight, you’d be better off pitting Alex against Aptom.
Well, 15 times the strength of a normal human is still nothing compared to Alex, who can carry a tank…up a skyscraper…while sprinting…and jumping. He has also shown fantastic durability to fire and huge weapons like tank rounds. The only thing to really show a distinct effect was electricity. Alex has never encountered sonic blasts that I remember.
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Can I get some durability feats for Guyver, like cutting and piercing durability.
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Also, to address the regen thing. Mercer has shown the ability to regen (with a very small amount of matter) from a nuke. He has tanked several back to back tank rounds, small arms fire, and large caliber mini gun rounds. And we are wondering whether or not he can regrow his arms a few times? I call PIS. He regrew them several times but the game would suck if it had gone along with his other feats since you would be ripping off his arms for days.
“He has tanked several back to back tank rounds, small arms fire, and large caliber mini gun rounds. And we are wondering whether or not he can regrow his arms afew times? Icall PIS. He regrew them several times but the game would suck if it had gone along with his other feats since you would be ripping off his arms for days.”
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Could’ve due to the fight with Heller weakening him enough that it was harder to regen. I think there was a similar thing with Alex when facing hunters right? Beat them down enough until they weren’t able to resist absorbtion or something along those lines.
“Could’ve due to the fight with Heller weakening him enough that it was harder to regen. I think there was a similar thing with Alex when facing hunters right? Beat them down enough until they weren’t able to resist absorbtion or something along those lines.”
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Could be true, if Heller did more damage than a nuke. What I was thinking was that maybe attacks done by Blacklight infected did more damage. Alex has shown that conventional weapons don’t do much.
Alex has compressed biomass, that’s what makes him regenerate limbs almost instantly, if you cut off or blow off his biomass his regeneration is bound to slow down.
Alex could also take back his lost biomass, lets say he looses his arm, he goes back and gets it, this is something not permitted in the game, but it is possible outside gameplay.
You reduce mercer into a blob, tendrils will come out and stick back to the rest of the lost biomass.
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Mercer’s blades, tentacles, any weapon he makes that cuts can cut tanks in half.
Muscle mass gives him the so much strength that he can take down moving helicopters by throwing tanks at them (very far away too). Muscle mass is so powerful that just by smacking his fist together it can produce a shock wave that disintegrates a human body caught in it’s radius.
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Despite what was shown in the game where mercer gets shot and it actually doing damage, this is not the case, mercer has an attack called “bullet drop”, he can fall from building heights and land with so much force that if done with muscle mass (again) the shock wave will disintegrate anyone on it’s radius.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJO6WuoytGA&feature=player_detailpage#t=32s
So then again, how is he damaged by a bullets?
An arena would be nice. Assuming this takes place In a densely populated city Mercer could simply consume to gain more health. Or run around a corner, shape shift and launch a surprise attack. Would Guyver be able to tell who was who?
@OMEGAMI
“So then again, how is he damaged by a bullets?”
Actually an in game perk made him invulnerable to gunfire done by machine guns.
@Sauroposeidon
“The guyver’s greatest strength and also its greatest weakness is the control medal. It can completely regenerate the guyver and host even if they are killed, but if the medal is destroyed the armor goes out of control and destroys the host.”
I don’t really know much about Guyver but how hard would it be to mess with this control medal?
You would have to rip it out of its head.
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Someone else will have to take over for Guyver. While I could take the time to rewatch both anime series, I’ve been going through star trek, very slowly. It may take months for me to complete it, as I get maybe a episode finished every day tops, with an average of like 2 episodes a week it feels like. I just don’t have the time for Guyver with my current “sci fi” being Trek and my other TV watching time occupied by stuff I DVR’d from Shark Week.
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Here is what I CAN do though, this is the climax of Guyver Out of Control, an OVA. However, Guyver has some different properties in this. Namely the Megasmasher has a shotgun-like effect, and never reaches very far out. Instead of a beam straight ahead of him, everything with in his field of view for like a good 10ish + meters get blasted.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2hZuKhRsIs
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You must skip to 4:50 for him turning in to Guyver. The climax continues in to part 5, where he finishes his battle with a female guyver. I am presuming that some of his properties do carry over, for instance his durability seems to at least match Gregole, as no conventional weapons even phase him, even when they do saturate fire where he is instead of missing like storm troopers. The guyvers make shock waves when they hit each other, but don’t seem to be able do much to each other outside of some blunt force trauma style pain from each other’s blows. Only when the control medal is destroyed does significant damage get dealt. That’s as far as I can take you folks today. Good luck with the match.
I recall the Guyver being melted completely by a special acid/enizime created specificly to fight him.
And then he regenenerated from that.
Man I haven’t heard of the guyver in so long….
Never played prototype so i’m useless. I’ll just enjoy the match
“And then he regenenerated from that.”
I made up a theory of how Mercer can kill people that regenerate quickly (like wolverine), someone that can regenerate that fast will grant Mercer a constant amount of biomass, you know what he did with a crow, imagine what he can do with a body that constantly regenerates biomass a insane speed.
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Mercer can consume faster than he can regenerate by the way.
“Alex has compressed biomass, that’s what makes him regenerate limbs almost instantly, if you cut off or blow off his biomass his regeneration is bound to slow down.”
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I agree. But ripping of his arms a few times is no where near enough damage to slow it down.
“I agree. But ripping of his arms a few times is no where near enough damage to slow it down.”
I agree, it takes a lot more than that.
In order to kill Alex you have to completely disintegrate all of his biomass.
When Alex fought Heller and Heller stripped him away from most of his biomass reserves, Heller knew that if he just keeps on cutting him or smashing him to a pulp right there he will just regenerate, he had to consume him to permanently kill him (I think).
It was a fight where the one with less biomass is less resistant to being consumed, if they where to fight without consuming each other, then it would have no end, just a brake when one of the two have to wait for the other to regrow from just a blob.
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Honestly, despite how the game shows it, the way a fight between Mercer and Heller would be is different, it would be like, whenever Alex rips Heller’s arm, Alex would consume that arm and regain biomass, it’s a constant fight on who can completely consume the others biomass first.
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So this is the way Alex fights a strong opponent, he goes in and rips limbs for biomass, every hit Alex lands is a few more hits he can take later, he regenerated his entire body with just the biomass of a crow, imagine what he would do with an arm.
Consuming one person is enough biomass to create a spike grave yard devastator, wich can rip through buildings and such, the arm of Guyver is a very beneficial source of biomass.
Would Guyver slicing Alex up then blasting the pieces be enough to put him down or at least down enough to be finished off?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V74mzGufZ8o&feature=youtube_gdata_player
0:25=transforming breaks apart stuff around him.
0:53=Hadouken!
0:40-0:50, 1:03-1:10=Chest blast disintegrating stuff.
1:12-1:16=Sonic attack breaks big guy into nothing.
“Would Guyver slicing Alex up then blasting the pieces be enough to put him down or at least down enough to be finished off?”
Is he fast enough to do it?
I need speed feats for Guyver.
This is a hard fight by the way, the only way for Alex to fight with maximum efficiency is for him to do tactics, but I don’t know how Guyver fairs against them.
Is Guyver fast enough to react to “tendril devastator”? It shoots so much tendrils from around Mercer that it covers an entire city block, at a fast speed too because it’s slowed down for the viewer to see, it erases any biomass that it is caught in it’s tendrils and takes out air units as well.
Can Guyver avoid every single one of this tentacles?
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The same goes for the “spike grave yard devastator”, it covers a city block with huge spikes that rapidly come out of the ground.
But I’m sure Guyver can just hop and evade them, this spikes can also take down buildings.
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Guyver didn’t seem too fast when he fights, compared to Mercer who can slice to peaces groups of black watch soldiers with blinding fast claw swings.
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And the whipfist, Alex shoots the whipfist at helicopters that are at above building height and while moving, he still hits them and takes them down, the whipfist gets there in just seconds, it has also shown that it can slice people in half just like all the other weapons Mercer has created.
So it’s a reliable, fast and long range weapon.
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But the best thing Alex can do against Guyver is to go CQC, all of Guyver’s attacks that I have seen take a charge time and a sort of positioning in order to do them, Guyver won’t be doing them if Mercer is up on him doing things like this.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=knK6o8SDiMo&feature=player_detailpage
I’m sorry if the music doesn’t fit the video, but just mute it and put whatever you want to make it cool.
In the Video you can see that it’s slowed down so you can witness the speed of the claws, it also has the “ground spike” spike ability (small version of the devastator), you can see at 0:29s that he does it to a tank, you can see how far away the tank is and it gets to the tank in less than a second, it is slowed down when he hits the tank so that you can see it fly up in the air and landing next to mercer (DAMN, IT GOT LAUNCHED THAT FAR?).
He also does the graveyard spike devastator in the video.
And at the end he gets hit by a missile, quickly stabilizes himself and takes off.
I also would like to post this.
This is what Alex can do with and without muscle mass:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkSlPvRSZK8&feature=player_detailpage
Shoryuken and Hadouken, I never knew what the palm slap does, it shoots out like air or something?
With muscle mass he can disintegrate people just by slamming them with the force created by the palm slam move (the Hadouken of the video).
His shield also deflects bullets as seen in the end of the video.
“Is he fast enough to do it?”
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToARcVX2erQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
17:34-17:47 Destroys bullets with his laser while its flying before it hits his friend.
Also this and fights between Guyvers have them dodging each other lasers(in one case has him side-stepping in the way of one to save his friend).
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“all of Guyver’s attacks that I have seen take a charge time and a sort of positioning in order to do them, Guyver won’t be doing them if Mercer is up on him doing things like this.”
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Only seems to be the chest blast and that apparenlty can be charged and fired while on the move. But thats a one time only weapon. It’s large AoE and range should make up for that though. The sonic thing was shown being used while he was dodging. The forehead laser can just fire and with enough presicion to hit a bullet. The black hole, gravity, hadouken thing I’m unsure of. I’ll see what I can find on that.
Guyver transformation splattering Zoanoids
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www.mangapanda.com/520-30176-8/guyver/chapter-138.html
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Head Beam Spam
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www.mangapanda.com/520-30176-11/guyver/chapter-138.html
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Sonic Blaster Disintegration
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www.mangapanda.com/520-30176-12/guyver/chapter-138.html
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Works 400mm of steel too.
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www.mangapanda.com/520-30152-10/guyver/chapter-114.html
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Sensors differentiate between living and non living targets, analyze the composition of inanimate objects, and even x ray type at close range.
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www.mangapanda.com/520-30178-8/guyver/chapter-140.html
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www.mangapanda.com/520-30152-6/guyver/chapter-114.html
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www.mangapanda.com/520-30146-9/guyver/chapter-108.html
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It also prevents absorption.
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www.mangapanda.com/520-30155-3/guyver/chapter-117.html
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“With muscle mass he can disintegrate people just by slamming them with the force created by the palm slam move (the Hadouken of the video).”
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There’s a difference between turning people to dust, and leaving them as people paste.
Just a quick explanation for Alex’s regeneration failure at the end of Prototype 2:
Heller could have slashed away at him for decades and it wouldn’t have killed him. No bladed trauma could EVER match the damage done by a nuke, no matter how strong Heller is.
BUT, what the repeated trauma did do was exhaust Alex, to the point where he couldn’t instantly regenerate limbs or resist being consumed by Heller.
So no, that amount of stabbing/punching/whatever isn’t going to KILL Alex. But as we saw, it does weaken him enough that he can’t resist being dismembered or consumed.
I guess the question is, can Guyver do anything approaching consumption? Failing that, could he bury all the little bits of Alex in concrete before they could regenerate?
The thing is, emmettr3, it’s not the trauma, it’s the biomass, Mercer lost to much biomass and that slows down all of his functions. The regeneration is slow because he doesn’t have enough biomass to remake his arm instantly, instead he falls back to a slow regeneration rate if not given biomass.
Regardless of what people say, that last scene when mercer got nuked and consumed a crow, that only lasted minutes, if a crow can regenerate his biomass in just a few minutes, than a larger body will give him more than what he needs for it.
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The fight between Mercer and Heller was a fight of biomass domination, where the one that has low biomass will get consumed easily, Heller finished Alex by consuming him, if he would have juts staid slashing him to paste then he would be doing nothing as the only way to defeat mercer is to completely disintegrate his biomass or sealing him (consuming does the same trick), but if you don’t have any consuming abilities then Mercer is the dominant and will consume you if he touches you.
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All Mercer needs to do is disguise as someone, touch his opponent and it’s over, unless his opponent can react as he is being consumed, that will leave him with a loosen limb or something, then Mercer will integrate the new genetic material to himself and can make a replicate the same weapons as his opponent.
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Come to think of it, why doesn’t Mercer just consume an electric eel and shoot out electricity, know what I mean?
Wow. Never expected to get to do this. Kind of excited.
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Okay, first, the GUyver (Guyver I if we’re talking SHo as we seem to ) has fought an opponent like Alex Mercer before. Well, an opponent like ALex Mercer but hundreds of times more deadly.
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That opponent’s name is Aptom! Aptom is…essentially one of the very first “I grow more powerful by consuming enemies” characters, and puts Alex Mercer to consummate shame: he can infect targets with only a touch, and completely possess them, gaining every single one of their powers and capabilities, in a span of seconds. Here’s what happens when he tries to do that to Guyver I.
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mangafox.me/manga/guyver/v19/c000/52.html
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Barring carving off the Control Medallion, there is no way Mercer is going to have a chance to absorb the Guyver. Even then, it’ll be back unless the Control Medallion is destroyed.
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Feats of precise speed and strength for the Guyver are hard to gauge, though other people have thrown up some good ones. To further elaborate though: The Mega-Smasher has a variable range; Sho has used it to precision-annihilate something right in front of him, or to carve football-field-long trenches of devstation. Or much narrower lines, but with the beam maintained for multiple seconds.
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The Mega-Smasher is a particle weapon. Yes, Mercer survived a nuke, but there’s the HUGE question of how effectively the water stunted the explosion, how much the helicopter did, and how some of his cells survived enough to make a little goo puddle when he isn’t shown ANYWHERE in Prototype to be capable of surviving something of that scale. In the case of a weapon like the Mega Smasher, that routinely is shown to reduce targets to “Atoms, maybe at best”, one has to wonder if Mercer could survive even a basic, immediate shot, such as the one Sho can fire off which reduces the weapon to a quarter power but was still significant enough to punch through the body shields of and deal severe injury to a Zoalord (of course exactly what scale one needs to do that isn’t shown either, so it’s not the most compelling example).
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@OMEGAMI
Because he can’t. Alex only absorbs biomass: unlike, say, Aptom, he never gets the special abilities or particular traits of the things he absorbs (other than ethnicity for humans). This is actually a *really* neat nod to how actual viruses work: you get sick when you have a virus because the virus is actively trying to turn you, ALL of you, into itself. It’s the same reason for ‘viral crash’, which is the deeply horrifying thing that happens to Ebola victims.
Huh. Made a whole huge post and it ate it. Damnit. testing…
“Come to think of it, why doesn’t Mercer just consume an electric eel and shoot out electricity, know what I mean?”
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That isn’t how he works. He adapts to his environment; changes to better to survive within it. He doesn’t steal powers from genetic code.
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He is not Megaman. He is not Kirby. He is not Rogue.
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He doesn’t gain anything directly from consuption. He does become more powerful, and he does gain new powers as he becomes more powerful, but the powers that he gains are not connected to what he consumes but rather how much.
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At least that was how it was in the first game. No doubt the second bouchted it up.
Wow. So that’s four posts of mine that the site has eaten and refused to put up.
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I deeply apologize if suddenly I have four things pop into existence on this thread a day from now.
There we go, that’s better. A bit wonky for the order now, but better.
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So yeah. Between the Sonic Emitters, the Mega Smasher, and Mercer’s incapability to consume him, Guyver I probably had this thing in the bag. ALTHOUGH, injury does weaken him: specifically the more damage he takes, the weaker the Mega Smasher becomes, which is important seeing as its his best bet in this fight, since disintegrating Mercer via the Sonic Emitters might not actually be too damaging to him.
“At least that was how it was in the first game. No doubt the second bouchted it up.”
Kinda-sorta. Best example I can think of is Heller gaining the Whipfist after consuming an miniboss that uses it, but that *may* be justified as it is a power we’ve seen Blacklight manifest before.