Suggested by ZomB
No real restrictions on this, the battle takes place in the Golden Army’s chamber from Hellboy.
Obi-Wan Kenobi is the Jedi Master of the Star Wars Series. Blade, as far as I know, is from Marvel Comics. Obi-Wan has the force on his side and a Lightsaber that can cut through almost anything. But Blade is part vampire, with a lot of their strengths and few of their weaknesses. Will that be enough to overcome the various powers?
Will the force be strong with Kenobi? Or will Blade show the real dark side of the force?
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Initial bet with Obi-Wan
Mach 5000 Obi-Wan solos.
I’d have to go with Obi-Wan for this one, and not just because Ewan Mcgregor is gorgeous xD
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With it being in the Golden Armies Chamber, does that mean the army is there, but offline, or whatever? Couldn’t Obi-Wan just lob them at blade all day long?
Obi-Wan rapes Blade. Tis a sad day for the dhamphir.
Obi-Wan stomps. Is the Army active? Because then nobody wins.
Hmm… Titanium sword vs energy sword that can cut through everything but cortosis, phrikite and beskar. Obi-Wan rapestomps.
Couldn’t we make blade’s sword unbreakable for this match?
Obi-Wan’s pre-cog should overcome Blade’s speed and firearms. He won’t be cutting past his adamantium weaponry but through the Force, there really should be no real problem in swaying them aside for a lightsaber to the dhampir.
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As awesome as Blade is (both are cool in my books) Kenobi has this one fairly easily.
If the Army is awake, and Obi-Wan can beat them, then he should get some kind of award. Can he, if they’re awake? And are they awake?
That would be rather awesome if they were awake.
I don’t think there is a chance Blade can win.
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Blade is screwed either way.
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If the Golden Army is awake, Kenobi may or may not be able to put some of them down for good, depending on whether or not a lightsaber through the plates/runes would disrupt their restoration magics. If he can’t, he’s plenty capable of figuring out that he needs to bug out, and can probably do so just fine.
I don’t think the Army would be awake, otherwise the match would say so. We can’t leave something that significant to just guessing.
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Anyway, Obi Wan takes this with little effort. No question about it.
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And doesn’t Blade have ALL of their strengths and NONE of their weaknesses, instead of just some strengths and some weaknesses?
I thought it was he was slightly weaker (ie, not quite the same degree of superhuman powers) without the weaknesses, and just some sensitivity/mild allergies to some of the weaknesses instead. Don’t really know, though.
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I agree, though, that the Army is asleep for this.
I’m not really sure how you all think Obi-Wan even has a chance here.
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If this is movie-Blade, then movie-Blade-vamps are bullet-timers.
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And if(as it seems like going by the picture) this is comic-Blade, while I think he was originally not even peak human, from what I’ve heard, since the movie he’s from being as powerful as his movie self, right to being much more powerful than him, not that that matters, as just a bullet-timer is more than enough to kill Obi-Wan before he can even do anything.
Aren’t Jedi far above bullet timers?
@The King of Heroes
“Aren’t Jedi far above bullet timers?”
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Only in the most wanked parts of the EU.
Kenobi has the Force, which means enhanced reflexes/strength plus combat precog. And telekinetic powers. And ESP.
I’ve never seen anything from the EU but I heard that Luke is basically god in it.
@The King of Heroes
“I’ve never seen anything from the EU but I heard that Luke is basically god in it”
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I’ve seen some, and I’ve heard the same.
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But starwars canon goes, Movies>TV>everything else(aka. the EU), and everything in the “everything else” is only equal to everything else in the ”everything else”, so every wanked out feat in the EU must be balanced with every non- wanked out feat in the EU.
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In other words, amounts to nothing and bullshit.
Well in the movies they dodge the blaster which are about as fast if not faster then normal guns so Jedi should still be on par if not above bullet timers.
@The King of Heroes
“Well in the movies they dodge the blaster which are about as fast if not faster then normal guns”
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We’ve clearly seen two different sets of movies.
What are you talking about they deflect and dodge rounds from the blasters in like every droid fight ever.
@The King of Heroes
“What are you talking about they deflect and dodge rounds from the blasters in like every droid fight ever.”
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Well this for one.
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“blaster which are about as fast if not faster then normal guns”
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but also the fact that they do that with precog and aim-dodging, rather then just pure speed.
Well I said they are as if not faster. I mean they look like laser but aren’t lasers so they should be as fast as bullets. They could be faster who knows. Also wouldn’t the precog help deal with Blade anyway?
Well I said they are as fast if not faster. I mean they look like laser but aren’t lasers so they should be as fast as bullets. They could be faster who knows. Also wouldn’t the precog help deal with Blade anyway?
And I’m also pretty sure someone actually measured that blaster bolts are slower than bullets. However, I think on just sword fighting they are even-ish, but the Force powers for Obi I think is what gives him the edge here, and the win.
Sorry for double post my computer freaked out.
“Also wouldn’t the precog help deal with Blade anyway?”
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Blaster bolts can’t just change their course when they see Obi-Wan move to block.
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Blade can.
Even if Blade is faster than Obi-Wan, how’s he gonna get past the Force?
@Shgon at #20
Original!-Timeline Tenchi still gets Post-Endor E.U Luke like Dr. Strange would get Dr. Fate, though, but neither of them are fighting the other in the site, so moot point is moot, much?
Meantime, did Major ZomB necessarily specify how much E.U segments is Obi-Wan consented access to, for that matter?
@Aelfinn
“Even if Blade is faster than Obi-Wan, how’s he gonna get past the Force?”
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Well for starters, I need to know just OOC the rules of the site let characters act.
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There are kind of rules against a Jedi using the force to kill directly, is Obi-Wan allowed to ignore them?
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If yes, then the easiest way to get pass them would probably be the ye old “frantic speed blitz”.
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If not, then it doesn’t really need to be so frantic (still can be if he want though).
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@Commander Cross
“Original!-Timeline Tenchi still gets Post-Endor E.U Luke like Dr. Strange would get Dr. Fate, though, but neither of them are fighting the other in the site, so moot point is moot, much?
Meantime, did Major ZomB necessarily specify how much E.U segments is Obi-Wan consented access to, for that matter?”
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Look, I do like you, and you can be rather helpful at times, but sometimes you make it really hard to see you as something other then a troll……
@Shgon
My apologies. T_T’
I used to be a former flamer before I joined the site, I don’t want to get back to those days and if I wanted to see Tenchi in another match at all, I’d go for his Universe!-version, really. T_T
So back at the matter at hand, can we just await Major ZomB to just answer the question for how much of the E.U segments will be permitted, before the 50 post count is passed?
I’ll avoid responding back until he answers.
@Commander Cross
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Sounds good, and that rule should really be changed to something more like “the first 50 post or the first post by the one who suggested the match, which ever comes later” as they’re the only one who can change the rules of the match anyway.
Precog destroys all chances that blade can win essentially..
Stomp. Unless Obi-Wan got turned into a vampire, or midichlorians are somehow allergic to silver and garlic, Blade is SOL, and Obi-Wan lives to get killed by Vader.
On the canon thing pretty sure we decided a long time ago that unless otherwise stated all Star Wars canon is used for the fights, course we also decided that everyone who suggested a Star Wars match was supposed to specify what canon is allowed
Either way Force TK is a major edge for Obi-Wan, as he can toss Blade around like a ragdoll.
We’ve also seen Jedi deal with the Chiss who use weapons that are closer to normal modern fire arms than anything and be able to dodge the rounds, I know we saw some do it during Dark Nest Trilogy when that whole mess was going down. I remember Jaina said something along the lines of all blocking or trying to deflect did was cause molten lead to hit you so it was more effective to dodge.
Why so butthurt Shgon?
On the one hand, Blade is faster and stronger than Obi-Wan.
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On the other hand, Obi-Wan can use telekinesis to keep Blade at bay indefinitely.
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On the foot, if Obi-Wan makes a mistake, he’s dead.
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And my left foot says pre-cog prompts him to immobilize Blade using the Force and throw something at him in a lethal fashion.
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My left foot is rarely wrong.
@Lightning
Maybe, like me, he sees a wide margin between the home canon and EU of Star Wars.
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Although, I’m going to have to agree with Soulerous’ left foot. Obi-Wan can just use Force Grab to whip Blade around until he dies.
So we are all in agreement Obi-Wan takes the win?
@Aelfinn
Even without EU, Obi still kills Blade. He can easily reflect blasted bolts which are Mach 4-5. No reason why he would get blitzed. Also, the reactions for Obi came from the novelisation of the third movie, is that EU?
Lets see this now.
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1. Blaster Rifle bolts do not move anywhere near as fast as bullets. We can see their flight trajectory clear as day. Besides that Blade wields an MP7. That’s 950rpm 15 rounds per second. Obi-Wan may be able to stop 1 but he is not going to stop them all. Not to mention Blade has grenades and explosives he can use as well.
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2. Pre-Cog is not absolute. HK even stated there are ways around it. Namely explosive devices which Blade does have in his possession.
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3. Obi-Wan cannot match blades with Blade. Blade last time I checked was a class 2. And since he wields and adamantium Nodachi he has both the reach advantage and weapon weight advantage. Couple that with his 1-2ton strength capacity and every blow from that Obi blocks will send him flying across the room.
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I’m going with Blade. Mainly because he has a submachine gun with a higher rate of fire then what Obi-wan has ever gone up against and grenades which Obi-Wan has no defence against. The Force is just a minor annoyance since there’s no way Obi can throw Blade with enough force to hurt him nor can he throw anything fast enough to nail Blade with and do any significant damage that his healing factor can’t cope with. He’s no Starkiller.
Couldn’t he just knock Blade over and use Force Speed to chop his head off with his lightsaber?
Ah, guys?
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“So back at the matter at hand, can we just await Major ZomB to just answer the question for how much of the E.U segments will be permitted, before the 50 post count is passed?
I’ll avoid responding back until he answers.”
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“Couldn’t he just knock Blade over and use Force Speed to chop his head off with his lightsaber?”
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Blade blocks bullets. Unless Force Speed allows Obi-Wan to move at speed beyond 380-850m/s I sincerely doubt that’s going to happen. Besides that Blade already beaten people with super speed. See Spitfire who moves so fast she causes flames to form in her after-image
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Here he dodges little laser beams
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Here him speed blitzing a bunch of vamps armed with machine guns.
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Going with Blade. ReDruM pretty much covered why.
A gun! I was unaware. Even if he could react to the bullets, Obi-Wan would still be assaulted by molten slugs. Lightsabers cannot deflect non-energy projectiles.
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With his speed, Blade could rain lead upon his adversary the split-second the fight began.
“A gun! I was unaware. ”
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No guns. Blade has all types of army wear from Machine guns to rocket launchers.
No guns… he has machine guns… Your comment serves to confuse me.
“No guns… he has machine guns… Your comment serves to confuse me.”
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You said a gun. I said no gunS. Pluralized and shit.
It is precisely for this reason that I love commas. If you had said “No, guns.” I would not have misunderstood.
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Thank you for the match-changing information, nonetheless.
“I thought it was he was slightly weaker (ie, not quite the same degree of superhuman powers) without the weaknesses, and just some sensitivity/mild allergies to some of the weaknesses instead. Don’t really know, though”
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Same, he got enhanced speed, strength, and smell. But none of the weakness like sunlight. Iirc it was from the nite from Morbius.
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“And if(as it seems like going by the picture) this is comic-Blade, while I think he was originally not even peak human, from what I’ve heard, since the movie he’s from being as powerful as his movie self, right to being much more powerful than him”
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Some stuff I found when debating Vamp vs Blade
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Little bit on him and vampire abilities
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Fights evenly with a speedster whose fast enough to outrun bullets. i30.tinypic.com/2lk5lb7.jpg She also happened to have been turned into a vampire
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Speed blitzing another vamp, cutting him into several pieces before he can react
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Time seems to slow for him
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Speedblitzing other vampires
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Another instance
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Bit on vamp regen
www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/1532/prv1532_pg5.jpg
www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/1532/prv1532_pg6.jpg
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And durability
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“A gun! I was unaware. Even if he could react to the bullets, Obi-Wan would still be assaulted by molten slugs. Lightsabers cannot deflect non-energy projectiles.
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With his speed, Blade could rain lead upon his adversary the split-second the fight began.”
Which Obi-Wan would see, and dodge the debris, or create a force shield to deflect it.
“Blade blocks bullets. Unless Force Speed allows Obi-Wan to move at speed beyond 380-850m/s I sincerely doubt that’s going to happen. Besides that Blade already beaten people with super speed. See Spitfire who moves so fast she causes flames to form in her after-image”
Obi-Wan moves a fair bit faster than that.
“Which Obi-Wan would see, and dodge the debris”
-He’s not fast enough, as of yet.
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“or create a force shield to deflect it.”
-Same as above, I think. When has he displayed this ability?
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“Obi-Wan moves a fair bit faster than that.”
-Would you be willing to present some evidence?
Force users can be taken out with many projectiles moving at them. Order 66 is a perfect example. Even if they can move faster and have precognition thanks to the Force they are not invincible. Plus as had been addressed round are physical so the lightsaber just created molten rounds
From The Revenge of the Sith Novelization:
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“Two, three, and four. Oh, thought Obi-Wan with detached approval. That worked out rather well. Only ten thousand to go. Give or take. An instant later the Force had him hurtling through a storm of blasterfire as every combat droid in the control center opened up on him at once. Letting go of intention, letting go of desire, letting go of life, Obi-Wan fixed his entire attention on a thread of the Force that pulled him toward Grievous: not where Grievous was, but where Grievous would be when Obi-Wan got there…
Leaping girder to girder, slashing cables on which to swing through swarms of ricocheting particle beams, blade flickering so fast it became a deflector shield that splattered blaster bolts in all directions, his presence alone became a weapon: as he spun and whirled through the control center’s superstructure, the blasts of particle cannons from power droids destroyed equipment and shattered girders and unleashed a torrent of red-hot debris that crashed to the deck, crushing droids on all sides. By the time he flipped down through the air to land cat-footed on the deck once more, nearly half the droids between him and Grievous had been destroyed by their own not-so-friendly fire. He cut his way into the mob of remaining troops as smoothly as if it were no more than a canebrake near some sunlit beach; his steady pace left behind a trail of smoking slices of droid.”
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Oh yeah, Blade has totally got this one… I swear people will debate for anything as long as it’s put against something from Star Wars.
@zomb
True but your key flaw is simple: bolts =/= rounds. He will not be deflecting the rounds, just turning them into molten metal flying at him
Sorry four the double post but had to share a quote I heard. ” Jedi on the streets, Sith in the sheets” LMFAO
That isn’t there to show he can block bullets, it’s just to show Obi-Wan has reaction times so bar beyond Blade he can kill him before he gets a shot off. With only one enemy firing at him, he could easily dodge anything coming at him, couple that with his pre-cog, and Blade is going to be diced vampire.
@zomb
Your quote shows quick redirection of bolts (and them killing each other) yes but not necessarily great movement speed. A person’s wrist movements can allow him to catch arrows yet be slow enough to be tagged by the second if he attempts dodging. They are not always linked.
The problem is A) the rounds do not lend themselves to your quote (if I missed his movement speed apologies) and B) it’s one on one so bout a shit ton of stupid Droids killing each other. His arm movement speed is impressive though
Why would the bullet not melt into vapor by the time the lightsaber is done with it?
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Lightsabers instantly vaporized good chunks of metal with glancing blows.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6sj89xgnl4
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The hand rail gets a chunk removed with a small lick of the saber. The three posts get cut clear through with a single slice. Vader’s armor is of course armor for a reason; it protects him and is obviously lightsaber resistant due to the fact that it is observed to resist lightsaber blows as seen here.
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Now tell me why a bullet, which has a tiny fraction of metal compared to everything else seen here, would not be instanlty vaporized on contact with a saber like everything else seen here?
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Herp Derp speed? I don’t buy it. Give me evidence.
It’s not like it’s just his wrist moving here, he is surrounded on all sides, to create a deflector shield completely surrounding oneself would require full body movement also, I think you’re really just ignoring pre-cog. Not to mention it likely doesn’t even matter if he can dodge them as OriginalA pointed out. I have always wondered why people seem to think that bullets have a magical field that prevents them from being vaporized like everything else that comes into contact with a lightsaber.
I’ll concede the point unless somebody wants to run with it. Looks like old Ben is winning again
“Herp Derp speed? Idon’t buy it. Give me evidence.”
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Whose Blade or Kenobi?
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Is this current or past Kenob?
“Whose Blade or Kenobi?”
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Bullets’ speed.
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People were argueing that Ben’s Lightsaber would turn them into molten sludge instead of vapor despite lightsabers vaporizing all metal that is put against them with two exceptions (the blast doors in Ep1 which were thick enough to be measured in feet, and Vader’s armor, which is an outliner example). The only possible reason I could think of off hand was that bullets were “too fast” to be vaporized while passing through the blade, and I don’t buy that.
@Major ZomB at #57
You didn’t exactly state how much of the E.U’s permitted to ‘Old Ben’ Kenobi, here.
Only Clone Wars E.U?
Post-Clone Wars Pre-Galactic Civil War E.U?
Movie!-only(+ The Clone Wars 5 minute shorts) Obi-Wan?
What?
P.S: I still have a decent-enough reception for Lowie in here, he’s Chewie’s nephew, and you are already aware of me knowing that Ancient Star Wars >>> Modern Star Wars in overall Badassitude, right?
Its if Original!-timeline Tenchi Masaki(Tenchi Muyo) vs Post-Endor E.U Luke in which your logic might apply, because when you’re enough of a Badass to solo the Decepticons and slaughter the Iron Warriors Chaos Space Marine Legion on your lonesome, odds are good you’d have high odds against Luke.
And cross derails the thread via tenchi….
Question: are Jedi really that fast in the books or was it just “my connection to the force = +5 levels of Badass” ?
Well, I’m not supposed to be able to say stuff about the match past comment #50 right?
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Nonetheless I meant it to be Obi-Wan circa post Revenge of the Sith.
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Also, I have stated in a previous post in this site that all matches I suggest are to take all canon EU into account. As is the default anyways.
@Primus
But Fat Kerrigan manages to outwit Chubby Starkiller.
;_;’
@Major ZomB
Its not for my lack of trying on lack of effort to allow you to state things before the #50 post count passed, I did try to wait on you, you know!
“@Primus
But Fat Kerrigan manages to outwit Chubby Starkiller. ;_;’”
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Chubby Starkiller?
@epic
Just go read the thread…. Lol
“That isn’t there to show he can block bullets, it’s just to show Obi-Wan has reaction times so bar beyond Blade he can kill him before he gets a shot off. With only one enemy firing at him, he could easily dodge anything coming at him, couple that with his pre-cog, and Blade is going to be diced vampire.”
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I already showed Blade reacts to bullets, laser beams, and Spitfire who moves faster then what Obi-Wan can outrunning bullets themselves. Blade spanked her each time they fought in hand to hand combat. Unless Obi can react to, move across the room, and kill Blade moving at least 850m/s on the low end and relativistic on the high end Blade whips out the MP7 and hoses him down with bullets moving at 850m/s and 15 rounds per second. Obi-Wan may be able to block 1 but he can’t block them all. And that’s just 1 weapon. Stop comparing Blaster Bolts to bullets unless you have a quote on how fast they move.
“From The Revenge of the Sith Novelization”
When did this happen?
Never see this speed happen anywhere during in the film.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=t551KML00no
3:25 shows Obi getting his ass kicked by a non-force user. Don’t see any blur speeds there either.
Oh we going with the old it doesn’t look fast therefore it’s not thing?
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Good to know.
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That scene from the Novelisation is massivley faster than Blade has been shown to move in this thread.
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Now put up or shut up.
“Oh we going with the old it doesn’t look fast therefore it’s not thing?”
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Yep.
Obi-Wan from the films (the absolute most accurate portrayal of him and his abilities) is moving in slow mo when compared to Blade’s speed feats.
Just sayin.
“Well, I’m not supposed to be able to say stuff about the match past comment #50 right?”
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If we all agree, though, then it goes through.
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However fast Blade may be, I still have one question. What’s stopping Obi-wan from Force-grabbing Blade and just whipping him around? I know ReDrum said that that wouldn’t do enough damage, but it would work eventually. Although, this does raise the question why he didn’t just do that to Grievous… PIS?
“Although, this does raise the question why he didn’t just do that to Grievous… PIS?”
Probably because it’s takes a good amount of energy to do something like that with the Force. Drains too much, too fast. It would make sense considering we really only see the most powerful force users lifting people up or pushing them around in the movies. Even then, they aren’t doing anything crazy like whipping them around like a ragdoll.
If Kenobi has a faster reaction time, I don’t see why he wouldn’t toss Blade around then rush up to finish him off with the lightsaber.
“Probably because it’s takes a good amount of energy to do something like that with the Force. Drains too much, too fast. It would make sense considering we really only see the most powerful force users lifting people up or pushing them around in the movies. Even then, they aren’t doing anything crazy like whipping them around like a ragdoll.”
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Hmmmmmm. *strokes chin*
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But can he just force-grab Blade, restrain him, and finish him off with the Saber?
“But can he just force-grab Blade, restrain him, and finish him off with the Saber?”
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That’s what I was thinking.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tMZdrUx8eM
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Almost forgot about his fight with non-force user Jango Fett. Again, no blur speed. And he doesn’t toss Jango around.
Replace Jango’s blasters with firearms Blade would be carrying, like a pair of Uzis, and Obi-wan would’ve be a bullet-riddled corpse.
“Almost forgot about his fight with non-force user Jango Fett. Again, no blur speed. And he doesn’t toss Jango around.”
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I forgot about that fight as well. This means that either the entire prequel trilogy is one big plot hole (which I wouldn’t doubt), Obi-Wan is unable to restrain someone using the Force, or he has severe CIS against it. Considering that Obi-Wan loses his ability to restrain Blade, I’m going to give it to Blade on this one (at least for now).
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“Just go read the thread…. Lol”
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Good times…
@aelfinn
Lol my crowning contribution to the community thus far
What thread are you refering to?
However you see it, it isn’t a bad crowning achievement. Nothing like this has lasted even a week before. If you want a better achievement, you’ll have to stick around a while a do something like getting an FP Award. Even then, you may not want to do that. *Has flashback of WoT vs. SoT, crawls under table.*
“What thread are you refering to?”
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Sarah Kerrigan vs. Starkiller P-squared here made a typo and said “It doesn’t matter how physically fat she is”. So we all started making jokes at Kerrigan being obese. I even found a “Fat Kerrigan” picture on DeviantArt.
So what about guys like Jango, Cad bane, that mando with the darksaber, etc? I mean I know bounty hunters and mandos are badass but they should not have even given Obi problems right?
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“What’s stopping Obi-wan from Force-grabbing Blade and just whipping him around? I know ReDrum said that that wouldn’t do enough damage, but it would work eventually.”
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Nothing I can think of, though given durability and regen shown that probably is not going to be enough and would possibly tire Obi out.
@epic
That’s the joke lol
@aelfinn
That was only bad because mike degenerated into imbecilic extrapolations that were in no way substantiated. Even when SoT supporters tried to discuss it with him (namely ptaine) he devolved into infantile holier than thou diatribes how the WoT side ignored or just said “lol no” to his “irrefutable proof”. I’ve only suggested one match so far and I highly doubt it would be like that.
@aelfinn
Do you miss stars for posts?
Wow, At one point Obi-wan is slow this makes him slow forever?
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Prove Obi-wan was going all out when he wasn’t making speed blursa gainst Jango Fett.
Didn’t Zomb say E.U. was used in post 69?
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“Also, I have stated in a previous post in this site that all matches I suggest are to take all canon EU into account. As is the default anyways.”
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So wouldn’t the novelization count?
Yes/No?
All of E.U counts according to that post.
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So yes Novelisations count.
Wouldn’t the novelizations count either way since they’re just the movie in book form?
“So wouldn’t the novelization count? Yes/No?”
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I think so as long as it doesn’t contradict higher canon… Though its been awhile since I last saw a canon debate so I don’t know of its changed.
” Wouldn’t the novelizations count either way since they’re just the movie in book form?”
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Was that scene with Obi-Wan quote in the movie? It seem like it was it was part if that scene with that funny sounding lizard ride he had but I can’t find a video of it.
“So what about guys like Jango, Cad bane, that mando with the darksaber, etc? I mean I know bounty hunters and mandos are badass but they should not have even given Obi problems right?”
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Jango has a lot of PIS going for him. Cad Bane has gear (and heavy PIS on one occasion) that stacks in his favor. That mando with the darksaber wasn’t a challenge for Kenobi. Even Ahsoka beat him relatively easily. It’s kind of a wonder he is still alive actually.
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Cad Bane though:
Hostage Crisis had him against an unarmed jedi and he had hostages.
Holocron Heist never had him in direct conflict.
Cargo of Doom had him beating out jedis via cheap tricks and hostages; never in direct combat.
Children of the Force had Ahsoka beat him in combat, then he used tricks in a biased battlefield (his home base) to escape (also PIS cause Windu could have easily avoided the trap if he used the Force).
Evil Plans had him against R2 and 3PO… yeah he won there.
The Hunt for Zero: www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoSayqv1TVI He was on the run the entire fight. Most of his attacks were useless. He disarmed one jedi only because of his helper, and he disarmed Obi Wan only cause Obi Wan was shortly distracted right after he disarmed Bane. Even then he was retreating from two jedi.
Deception didn’t put him against Jedi
Friends and Enemies had Anakin beating Bane until Obi Wan (in disguise) put Anakin in a sleeper hold. And then Ahsoka (who probably had a concusion since she hit her head in a starship crash not even 3 minutes prior that had knocked her out) managed to hold off Bane’s blaster. He taunts her that she’s lucky and he’s probably right, but hell, he had backup and wasn’t concussed (although how I have no idea since he was outside and on top of the spaceships when they crashed; plot armor I guess).
The Box… well the whole point of that episode is to show how badass jedi’s can be without obviously calling on the Force or using a Lightsaber. Naturally Obi Wan had little trouble compared to everyone else.
Crisis on Naboo… Okay, honestly don’t remember how that went down, but it ended with Bane in handcuffs.
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My point: Cad Bane, despite being one of the most effective non-force villians, really isn’t all that much of a threat to Obi Wan in a stand up fight. Which is what you claimed, and it’s wrong.
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Pre Viszla: www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_lJ9nnsbew
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Yeah, Obi Wan beat him in under a minute. And he didn’t even use his saber for the final blow. Also note that Pre Viszla is clearly superhuman in terms of ability. He can jump twice his own height and his right hook sent Obi Wan fling several meters! Still a small fry for Obi Wan.
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The only reason why these guys gave Obi Wan “trouble” is because he didn’t directly curbstomp them. Pre Vizsla was weilding a weapon that a single mistake could mean instant death. Even though Kenobi is a master and this guy is an amature, that is still reason enough to take him seriously; hence more than 10 seconds of fighting. Cad Bane relise more on distance than anything else. On the occasions he gets close to a jedi it comes down to 50/50 odds. Sometimes he lands his electrical attack that disables them, other times he gets his ass handed to him, or both. Bane’s sheer range and ability to keep that range open allows him to take on jedi; hence not a curbstomp.
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Jango Fett also used the range and mobility advantage, but he also had more PIS too.
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For the most part though, these guys don’t give the jedi problems in stand up fights. They do cause problems with their scemes, which is what makes them effective enemies. I mean, why is Batman so damn good? His scemes, tricks, and tools! These guys are, to variously levels of degree, the batman to the jedi’s superman. They have to be tricky to win because in a straight fight (like the ones on Factpile) they get their asses kicked by the jedi.
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Note: the analogy to batman and superman is exagerated.
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Well I’ve got nothin. The mach 500 kenobi thing that’s been popping up just got me confused as to how any of them were able to land a hit on kenobi when they went into melee…
Obi-Wan has some good feats in the 2003 Clone Wars show, but isn’t that non-canon now?
I think that that’s canon place is that it is in-universe Republic propaganda.