Suggested by AHK
In his second match on the Pile, Scott Pilgrim (along with debuting Stephen Stills) will take on the original Video Game Dynamic Duo, Mario and Luigi. Scott has done a lot of things that is impressive, but does Stills has the chops to be a help? Because the Mario Brothers have done a lot of thing and bring a lot to the table. There’s also the possibility that Scott could be star struck.
So can Pilgrim and Stills break the threshold? Or will the brothers send them back to the indies?
My research says that the Scott Pilgrim characters are high tier street level at best
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Im going with the Mario Brothers until something really good comes up the Team 1
I feel like this should be a rap battle.. hm..
I can’t remember anything particularily impressive from Stills of Scott.
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Let me just look through the comic a sec.
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Still, from what I remember Marios Bros should stomp.
@sauro
LMFAO what a novel idea. Make it a two part match?
@match
What source(s) are being used for the plumbers? That affects what feats we can use.
……What’s the current incarnation for Mario.
All of his feats, IIRC, are different in each game.
“Still, from what I remember Marios Bros should stomp.”
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I see what you did there.
Composite plumbers?
Mario Bros stomp.
I can’t think of many high tier feats for Pilgrim to compare to the Bros.
Penguin Mario and Luigi babyshake.
Mario is pretty tough… And Luigi has the same skill set as Mario. I see Team 2 taking the win here.
Whoever gets the smash ball first, their team wins.
And Luigi doesn’t have the same skill set; he’s less agile, faster, and I think has some other differences. He’s also got a worse house. Anyway, again I ask: composite?
“And Luigi doesn’t have the same skill set; he’s less agile, faster, and I think has some other differences.”
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My mistake. I forgot they played differently. The only one who can answer the composite question is the match suggestor. Untill then we have to assume it is current incarnation. Which for the Mario Bros. I have no idea what their current incarnation is.
I think it’s either “New Super Mario Bros. U”, or “Luigi’s Mansion Dark Moon”. The former is a remake, so it may be the latter. The problem is, it’s not one story line.
Luigi also jumps higher then Mario.
Does Scott get his guitar? Doesn’t he do crazy stuff with music or is that just in the movie?
Cuz I’m assuming from the pic it’s comic book scott and stills.
Wouldn’t current be Super Mario 3D land.
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“Does Scott get his guitar? Doesn’t he do crazy stuff with music or is that just in the movie?”
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The scene where he Guitar Battles one of the 7 ex.s?
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I think he has used one in the graphic novel but not like the one in the movie.
“Cuz I’m assuming from the pic it’s comic book scott and stills.”
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It’s actually the video game pic.
I can see that everybody here, is not giving enough credits to Scott.
So here I have a link of information about Scott:
www.comicvine.com/scott-pilgrim/29-41186/
Hope that help.
Still I have to find some feats for Stephen Stills, but I read somewere that he is equal to Scott, but that Stephen Stills is a little bit stronger then Scott.
Like I say before, I will need find some feats first to start this threat
Sorry for the second post, but Im new here, sorry.
See, this shows how much I don’t know about Scott pilgrim. But it was a good movie.
“See, this shows how much I don’t know about Scott pilgrim. But it was a good movie.”
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Yea the movie was awesome, + The manga of Scott show’s some interesting feats on him.
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In the game show’s some more feats for Scott & Still’s.
While I was looking for feats for team 1, I found this:
www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/scott-pilgrim-vs-deathstroke/597932/
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Scott beats Deathstroke, and have been stated that Scott is above superhuman+ level, & have toon force and reality warping, and much more in that threat if you read it.
If what above is true, then Stephen Stills is at the same level as Scott, but stronger, stated by others vs threats in diferents sites involving Scott.
Hey. Here’s an important question; did Scott and stills kidnap peach? Cuz if so, u know Mario’s gonna do whatever he can to save his girl.
“Hey. Here’s an important question; did Scott and stills kidnap peach? Cuz if so, u know Mario’s gonna do whatever he can to save his girl.”
The same it could be said about Mario and Luigi kidnaping Ramona Flowers and Kim.
cuz Scott and Stills will do annything to bring there girls back.
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and no lol, Scott and Stills didnt kidnap peach, lol
I would imagine Scott,Stills,Mario and Luigi killing eachothers to save there girls lol
I recall Mario picking up and kicking away a castle in Super Mario World.
“I recall Mario picking up and kicking away a castle in Super Mario World.”
Yea I know, but I recall Mario and Scott to be at the same level of strenght, but Luigi…I dont know if he have the same strenght as his brother?
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The strongest character in this threat maybe Stills, because he is a beast when it comes in strenght.
What Scott Pilgrim canon are we even using? There’s a comic, a video game, and a movie.
“What Scott Pilgrim canon are we even using? There’s a comic, a video game, and a movie”
They stated that the 3 things that are the comics, the video game, and the movie to be canon.
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But people thinks that the comic and the game are the only things canon.
Bump
That’s because the movie is trash when compared to the comics. That and the movie changes and skips things that happened in the comics.
“That’s because the movie is trash when compared to the comics. That and the movie changes and skips things that happened in the comics.”
Thats right, the movie did make alot of skip, I in the other hand knows that the comic and the game tell you the real story about Scott’s life & is canon.
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I like better the comics.
That’s because the can’t fit that into a single movie.
“That’s because the can’t fit that into a single movie.”
Thats rigth.
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I found some more feats for Scott and Stills that could make them win this.
tomgoescockeyed.blogspot.com/2010/08/10-things-about-scott-pilgrim-vs.html
Notice and look at the part about punching holes in the moon.Though it’s the vegan scoot eventually gets stronger than him.
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Scott survived facing a vegan who in the book does more then this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYwdFDQfOx8
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Scott and Stills have a good chance at winning this.
Wait, didn’t Scott beat Todd Ingram because he lost his vegan powers to the Vegan Police?
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Anyway, didn’t Mario beat someone who can punch the moon out of orbit?
“Wait, didn’t Scott beat Todd Ingram because he lost his vegan powers to the Vegan Police?”
He didnt lose it, the Vegan police were collecting the remains of the Vegan oponent that Scott beats.
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“Anyway, didn’t Mario beat someone who can punch the moon out of orbit?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzmEYxHLlJU&feature=player_detailpage#t=374s”
Yea he did, but that didnt make Mario stronger then the guy who punch the moon out of orbit.
“He didnt lose it, the Vegan police were collecting the remains of the Vegan oponent that Scott beats.”
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In the game? In the comic, the Vegan police did it when Todd ate something moments before.
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In the movie, Scott tricked him to drink something with milk and they took his powers.
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“Yea he did, but that didnt make Mario stronger then the guy who punch the moon out of orbit.”
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Same for Scott beating Todd.
Comic canon, Stephen stills has no feats, implied or not. Scotts victory over Todd was deus ex machina (which was even referenced within the comics itself). he would have lost had Todd not been reduced powerless.
“In the game? In the comic, the Vegan police did it when Todd ate something moments before.”
Yea, but they explain that the Vegan police took half of the Vegan out of Scott.
In the Comics they didnt show the Vegan police telling that they took half of the Vegan out of Scott.
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Scott then in the Comic and Game, become more powerfull then before when he continues his quest.
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Whit Toon force in his side, he is a heavy figther.
“Comic canon, Stephen stills has no feats, implied or not”
He have feats in the game.
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His feats are very similiar(or the same) to Scott’s feats.
But Stills have shown in the game that he is abit stronger then Scott.
@StealthRanger
“My research says that the Scott Pilgrim characters are high tier street level at best”
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^didn’t one punch a hole in the moon?
@Polloklo
I can tell you’re actually AHK. I tought you left for good?
*thought
Don’t we usually go by the main canon,, if not specified by the original poster? If so then yes, Stills has no combat feats, unless you count that space channel 5 refference in the first issue. And game canon is not the same as comic canon.
@D.B
We may as well use Game!-version of Stills for this match, he’s the better-suited version for this kind of match.
I might have a match with Scott Pilgrim in mind, and I might have another with Travis Touchdown to consider later on, but not enough people willing to help me out in there. T_T’
“We may as well use Game!-version of Stills for this match, he’s the better-suited version for this kind of match.”
I recomend that too, because Stills have some good feats in the game.
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Scott’s feats from the movie,comics & game.
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Toon force in his side.
Whatever toon force the Scott Pilgrim duo have is very limited in comparision to full toon force. the most it gives them is high endurance and strength. Reaction time for both is unknown, but they seem to be above the norm *least scott does, even in the game stills shows very little quantafiable feats
“Whatever toon force the Scott Pilgrim duo have is very limited in comparision to full toon force. the most it gives them is high endurance and strength.”
Dont forget about speed, Scott & Stills have a power up that they have in the game that is colled “Super”, they began to glow whit gold energy that makes the user to run very fast in an amazing speed and gets triple of stronger.
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Scott and Stills have(In the game + canon) the “Speedy the Porcupine” that said that it makes the user to “Blast through 7 zones of time and space at high speed! ”
That makes them way to fast.
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“Reaction time for both is unknown, but they seem to be above the norm ”
There reaction time are very above Superhuman+ level.
Scott reacted to a evil ex that is that ninja girl,who move so fast that no one notice her(Somewere supersonic, but I dont know),Scott reacted to her and punch her at the same time.
thats good reactions.
@Polloko
Why you come back, AHK?
Since its a rap battle, this round could also be good!
@DB
You’re not gonna mind it at all if I were to consider Haseo(dot.hack universe) vs Travis Touchdown, right?
Both of their pasts seemed to have been shrouded in a lot more violence than we’d find with Harry James Potter or Scott Pilgrim put together(in a general basis speaking, not to say fighting off Evil Cousins that must die or getting rid of Evil Exes isn’t violent, but that’s not done 24/7 in general, exactly!) and while all 4 had to fight nightmarish odds, Haseo + Travis had to deal with things that range from Cosmic Horrors more powerful individually than Dementors and more Psychotic than any of the individual Exes save Gideon happened to be, did I recall that right?
“didn’t one punch a hole in the moon?”
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I think I read this while I was researching. It sounds cool, but extremely outlierish
Or a one-time thing that we don’t know can be successfully replicated in time, it sounds like it’d take months to pull off to a successful degree.
Not to say it should be disregarded altogether, but caution is advised.
@StealthRanger
Yeah they showed a comic pic of the 3rd evil ex doing so in the movie. to be fair he was a “vegan” but scott was still tanking blows from him.
I still say its fairly outlierish considering the sheer magnitude difference between moon busting and street level. Or it could be something that requires some sort of prep time like Cross said *shrug*
@Gendrons
Scott at the very least is Low Superhuman(casually speaking at that!) and while I might have a fight with Scott Pilgrim in mind, something tells me that punching a hole in the moon might be one of those things that need low-balling for sake of clear-cut quantifications to be sure.
Then again, who can really say?
It seems like a shrug of O’ Malley’s as to whether or not it might take time to redo, or if its in regards to power-levels at the individual level.
It might not be a clear-cut way to survive getting hit via some variations of insta-kills if he gets hit by them, but it may be a way to last longer against others(getting hit with deathwords?easy to imagine it’d take more than just a few of those words to kill Scott if he gets hit via them, getting hit with Balefire?That’s something else entirely!) and Todd is not an easy being to fight off, to begin with.
@StealthRanger
Well not really “moon busting” he punched like three big holes in the moon.
@gendrons
Either way, still sounds many orders of magnitude above the typical high tier street level characters in Scott Pilgrim, ie possible extreme outlier
Wait do the mario bros have any power ups and or weapons? If not yeah….. i don’t recall any fighting techniques from them other then jumping on enemy’s….
“i don’t recall any fighting techniques from them other then jumping on enemy’s….”
Hammers for one thing.
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Plus Mario had a whole moveset of punches and kicks in Super Mario 64.
@StealthRanger
Well are their any other “vegan” feats in the comic,game and or movie? That way we can be sure. apart from him punching a hole in the moon three times(if i read correctly)
@Negative Zero
“Hammers for one thing.”
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Are they standard equipment?
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“Plus Mario had a whole moveset of punches and kicks in Super Mario 64.”
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Is it on par with scotts fighting/durability feats?
@gendrons
*shrug* I don’t know. Haven’t seen any other feats that suggest damaging teh moon is consistent within that verse
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I don’t even know much about Scott Pilgrim, except watching Scott Pilgrim vs The World ages ago, which I can’t remember much about
“Are they standard equipment?”
In the Paper Mario games, yes.
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“Is it on par with scotts fighting/durability feats?”
Not sure, but a punch from a castle lifter is no joke.
I recalled once pitting Thalia of CHB against Ramona Flowers, except the overall match was rushed.
Not quite lacking in thought compared to one of the matches with Eragon I suggested, but still missing in some parts, somehow, at least to me.
There’s a reason why I’d often suggest low-balling things for quantification’s sake, to prevent outright wankage among other things.
One thing’s for sure:
When the Moon got punched, a lot of Bad Tidal Waves were happening whenever it happened, and(in the Graphic novels at least, not sure about the movie!) it happened not once but twice, actually.
Yes, the World of Scott Pilgrim has a lot of Video Game Physics, BTW, although I feel troubled that there’s beings in Adventure Time who might solo the World of Scott Pilgrim, even though that world’s fighters are formidable in their own right.
@StealthRanger
“I don’t even know much about Scott Pilgrim, except watching Scott Pilgrim vs The World ages ago, which I can’t remember much about”
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^Me neither i just like him cause hes a fellow Canadian and i enjoyed the movie. Wasn’t he making sound constructs too? Against thoughs twins?
@Negative Zero
Are we using paper mario then? What is the most recent form of cannon for the mario bros any way?
“@Negative Zero
Are we using paper mario then? What is the most recent form of cannon for the mario bros any way?”
Any new game shouldn’t matter. It’s like you’re saying Mario and Luigi just forgets everything from the previous games.
@Negative Zero
“Any new game shouldn’t matter. It’s like you’re saying Mario and Luigi just forgets everything from the previous games.”
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^Im pretty sure some things are quite inconsistent. heck didn’t mario throw bowser into the sun once?
“^Im pretty sure some things are quite inconsistent. heck didn’t mario throw bowser into the sun once?”
Not exactly if I recall.
@Negative Zero
So whats preventing scott from making sound constructs?
“So whats preventing scott from making sound constructs?”
I don’t even know what a sound construct is.
@Officer N.Z
Where did they get Bowser thrown into the Sun?
Didn’t he somehow survive from that?
@Negative Zero
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXr9vHfqu6U
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^At 1:50 and on
“Where did they get Bowser thrown into the Sun?
Didn’t he somehow survive from that?”
End of Super Mario Galaxy 1 where Bowser’s Galaxy Reactor creates a black hole and sucks in the entire universe. Bowser was sinking into a fiery star when he got sucked into the black hole.
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And yes, he survived, with only a slight headache, no less.
@Officer N.Z
Is Bowser some kind of Uber-level Badass, or what? o.0′
Anyone Scott fought who came close to that level of Durability?
“Is Bowser some kind of Uber-level Badass, or what? o.0′”
Pretty much.
@Officer N.Z
Then let’s just be glad that Scott isn’t duking it out with Bowser yet, at least not by himself(better to hazard that job with his buddies), agreed?
Yeah.
does the super leaf count?
@electrokid: Only if they have powerups. Though the argument NZ used to get Link potions in Dracula vs Link could be used to get the plumbers powerups.
Isnt Scott faster then the Mario bros, whit the “Speedy the Porcupine” that I said in post #49.
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Anyway isnt Toon Force a factor here for the Scott team?
@Pollo
Perhaps its a factor, but not too big a factor compared to what the Mario Bros. have so much as its a factor for the fact Scott’s side can keep up.
@Cross
What about speed advantige?
“Scott at the very least is Low Superhuman”
Actually he is Superhuman+.
Not a Low Superhuman.
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Besides that, Scott have some impresive agility,dodging and figthing in the same time, it could be a problem for the bros.
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And for the “Stills have no feats”, lets just say that he have the same feats as Scott, but have more strenght then Scott.
@Polloko
We already agreed to use Game!-version of Stills, why didn’t the Iron Warriors actually take on Toronto when Toronto’s residents are of their own size, I have no idea unless you count that we have too many illiterate imbeciles running around. -_-’
Did Scott Pilgrim canonically(at least in the Graphic Novels) take on any naturally invisible assassins, though?
I’d like to know this for myself.
“Did Scott Pilgrim canonically(at least in the Graphic Novels) take on any naturally invisible assassins, though?
I’d like to know this for myself.”
Yes he did, but he said that it was harder then he could give him credits, but he still won.
@Polloko
Was the assassin a stealth-orientated CQC would-be killer, though?
“Was the assassin a stealth-orientated CQC would-be killer, though?”
Yes it was + he have all the powers of all the evil ex, that Scott beats, and got some sort of cosmic energy around him.
He was like a samurai ninja killer before he gets all the powers of all Scott’s oponents that lost against him.
The guy was describe to be “Invencible,unbeatable”, the battle were Scott face him, was in some sort of Space.
@Polloko (Anime Hero Kevin)
What powerups do the Mario Brothers get here?
“What powerups do the Mario Brothers get here?”
He gets there hammer,fire flower,starman(it cant one touch kill here, but it can make the Bros, 3 times powerfull for only 6 seconds)
Thats all.
@Anime Hero Kevin
Uh…you don’t get to decide what the Power Star can do here, you’re completely changing how it works, and that’s bullshit.
“Uh…you don’t get to decide what the Power Star can do here, you’re completely changing how it works, and that’s bullshit.”
I was the one who suggested this match, so I can decide what to do whit everything in this match so bump.
@Pollo
That sounds like Knives Chau’s old man, isn’t it? 0.o’
“I was the one who suggested this match, so I can decide what to do whit everything in this match so bump.”
Except the Power Star is an invincibility item, it’s never made Mario or Luigi 3 times more powerful, therefor you’re giving them a item that doesn’t even exist in their games.
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I’m calling bullshit, AHK.
Scott + Stills have a fighting chance, but if they are to do so, they have to play it smarter than this.
“That sounds like Knives Chau’s old man, isn’t it? 0.o’”
Yea it sound like that, but the guy was way to overpower, even Scott said that “Man…I will need a vacation after this”
And the guy was throwing meteors at Scott.
Again….
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“I was the one who suggested this match, so I can decide what to do whit everything in this match so bump.”
Except the Power Star is an invincibility item, it’s never made Mario or Luigi 3 times more powerful, therefor you’re giving them a item that doesn’t even exist in their games.
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I’m calling bullshit, AHK.
@Polloloko
Where did that happen?
Was that somewhere in the games?
It doesn’t look like it happened in the Graphic novels, as far as I recalled.
“Except the Power Star is an invincibility item, it’s never made Mario or Luigi 3 times more powerful, therefor you’re giving them a item that doesn’t even exist in their games.”
I know the power Star can make you invincibility and can kill enemies whit one touch, thats why I change the effect, because it will be unfair to be touch by an oponent that can one touch kill.
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“I’m calling bullshit, ”
Whatever Chillpills.
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“Scott + Stills have a fighting chance, but if they are to do so, they have to play it smarter than this.”
Yea they have a chance, and Scott is a figthing genius but he suck at school work(Me too), Stills is more smarter then Scott.
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I think they can pull this off, if they attack one of the bros at ones and then get the other.