Suggested By Stealthranger
Here we have two powerful charcters going up against each other!
This battle will take place in Chicago.
Dresden has his leather duster, his staff and blasting rod, shield bracelets, energy storing rings, cane sword, his silver pentacle and the red gem that gives him access to the ways, and his .44 magnum revolver.
Sephiroth is in his Advent Children incarnation and has the Masamune all his powers in his current incarnation
Who wins?
What is the Caius Ballad?
eh I said it might help, since we usually say minimum knowledge Dresden might bring it since he would at least know Sephiroth outmatches him.
Ghost Dresden could teleport. Stupid ghost get all the cool stuff. Maybe Mab or Leanshdie will teach him how they do that disappearing and reappearing they do…. But that’s not going to be until 2013.
I was saying that is a possibility that Sephy could use those cure magics to heal him if he were to sustain damage (I think there was something about his Bizzaro from or something having low-mid regeneration on Sephiroth vs Kratos)
“Ghost Dresden could teleport. Stupid ghost get all the cool stuff.”
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Teleport you say? And Ghost Dresden?
“Teleport you say? And Ghost Dresden?”
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He was technically dead in ghost story. He could teleport, become corporeal for a bit, could do magic, but could only touch/affect other spirits and some supernatural beings….
The corporeal thing I think actually qualifies for a power feat since in order for the corpsetaker to do so it had to consume a whole bunch of souls and Harry did it with only a little power left in him.
Ok, I haven’t exactly been following this thread. But I have recently started read the Dresden Files books online (great series by the way). I’m about done with the second book, and I’ve been gathering feats. I’ve noticed that Dresden can pump out quite a bit of wind very quickly. From what I’ve gathered, it seems like Dresden is fully capable of letting out tornado force winds. Here’s some quotes from the first 2 books about his wind spell.
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>I shoved Susan toward the stairs, and turned toward the demon, tips of my thumbs touching, fingers spread, palms out toward it. The demon’s mouth opened again, and it made a slick, spittooning sound. “Vento Riflittum,” I shouted, willing my fear and anxiety into a tangible shape, throwing it down from my pounding heart through my shoulders and arms, directed at the foe. The globule of demon acid sped toward my face. My terror and adrenaline roared out of my fingertips in the form of wind, gathering up speed enough to tear the hair from a man’s head. It caught the blob of acid and flung it back at the demon in a fine spray, stopped the thing dead in its tracks, and even drove it back several feet, its claw-tipped feet sliding on my smooth floor, catching on the rugs. The acid sizzled and spat little electric blue sparks on its skin, but it didn’t seem to harm the demon. It did, however, dissolve the trench coat to shreds in less time than it takes to draw a breath and wreaked havoc on my rugs and furniture. The demon shook its head, gathering its wits. I turned to the far corner, near the door, and extended my hand, trumpeting, “Vento servitas!” The pale, smooth wood of my wizard’s staff all but glowed in the darkness as it flew toward me, driven by a gentler, finer blast of the same wind. I caught it in my hand and spun it toward the demon, calling on the lines of power and force deep within the long, unbroken grains of wood in the staff. I extended the staff toward it, horizontally like a bar, and shouted, “Out! Out! Out! You are not welcome here!” A touch dramatic in any other circumstance, maybe–but when you’ve got a demon in your living room, nothing seems too extreme. The toad-demon hunched its shoulders, planted its broad feet, and grunted as a wave of unseen force swept out from my staff like a broom whisking along the floor. I could feel the demon resist me, pressing against the strength of the staff, as though I were leaning the wood against a vertical steel bar and attempting to snap it across that length. We strained silently for several seconds until I realized that this thing was just too strong for me. I wasn’t going to be able to brush it off like a minor imp or a niggling poltergeist. It wouldn’t take me long to exhaust myself, and once the demon could move again it was either going to dissolve me with its acid or else just waddle up to me and rip me into pieces. It would be stronger than a mortal, a hell of a lot faster, and it was not going to stop until I was dead or the sun had come up or one of any of a number of other unlikely conditions were met.I swung my eyes down from the ceiling, to the elevator’s floor, pressed my palms against it. Bits of something rained down on my head and shoulders, and the clicking and scuttling of the scorpion got louder. I took all the power I’d drawn in and focused it beneath my palms. There was air space beneath the elevator, in the elevator shaft, and that was what I reached for–air, instead of fire. This was a simple spell, one I’d done hundreds of times, I told myself. It wasn’t any different from calling my staff to my hand. Just … a little bigger. “Vento servitas!” I shouted, pouring every bit of strength, every ounce of anger, every shred of fear I had into the spell. And, beneath the elevator, the winds rose up at my call, a solid column of air that caught the bottom of the elevator like a giant’s palm and hurled it upward, through the darkness of the elevator shaft. The brakes squealed, threw off sparks, and fell to pieces that dropped through the hole the scorpion had torn, to land next to me. The force of it pressed me down to the floor with a groan. There was a long and rising whine as the car accelerated up the elevator shaft. I hadn’t meant for there to be quite that much wind, I thought, and prayed that I hadn’t just killed me and Murphy both. The elevator hurtled up and up and up, and I could feel my face sagging down with the speed of it. My office building is twelve stories high. We’d started at the second floor, so assuming an average of nine feet per story, it was almost a hundred feet to the building’s roof. The car shot up it in less than a half dozen of my frantic heart beats, slammed past the blocks at the top of the line, and hammered into the roof of the shaft like the bell on the strongman’s sledgehammer game at the amusement park. The impact crushed the scorpion into the concrete with a series of sharp popping sounds as chitinous plates cracked and splintered, flattening it into a shapeless brown splotch. Colorless goo, the ectoplasm of magically created mass, spattered out between the crushed plates and hide and down into the car. At the same time, Murphy and I were hurled up, meeting the goo halfway. I kept Murphy in the shelter of my body, trying to stay between her and the roof, and my back hit it hard enough to make me see stars. We tumbled loosely back down to the elevator’s floor in a sprawl of limbs, and Murphy groaned beneath me when I landed on her. I lay still for a moment, stunned. The scorpion was dead. I’d killed it, crushed it between the elevator and the roof of the shaft, and drenched myself and Murphy in ichor doing it. I’d saved our lives from the murderous device, against the odds.My eyes tracked down to earth to find an indistinct shape stir in the leaves, and then resolve itself into Tera West’s long limbs and practical clothes. She gathered her legs beneath her and crossed at once to MacFinn, her chest heaving, her eyes vague and distant. “MacFinn,” she said. “MacFinn! You’ve killed him,” she snarled, and her eyes snapped up to mine, bright and burning with amber anger. I could have sworn I saw her face start to change, her bared teeth begin to grow into fangs. Maybe that was just the effect of the magic on my perceptions, though, or a primitive, lizard-brain sort of reaction to Tera rising to her feet and charging toward me with a howl. There was murder in her eyes. I hadn’t gotten beaten up twice, shot, and nearly strangled to get taken out by a misguided werewolf bitch. I gathered in my dizzy, spinning will and extended my good hand toward the charging woman, flicking my wrist in a circle. “Vento giostrus!” I trumpeted. The winds howled down from the trees and whipped into a savage circle of moving air, lifting up dried leaves, sticks, and small stones. The miniature cyclone picked the charging Tera up off the ground and hurled her a good twenty feet through the air, into the branches of a pine tree. It also hurled out a cloud of rocks and small debris, forcing me to seek shelter behind a tree trunk. How embarrassing. It was a little more wind than I had wanted. That’s the danger of evocation, of that instantaneous, ka-blowie sort of magic. Control can be somewhat tricky. All I had wanted was something to spin Tera around and then to plop her down on her ass. Instead, rocks hammered against the tree trunk and zipped by, rattling against the trees all around in an almost deafening clatter. The wind shook the trees, tore branches from them, and cast half a ton of dirt and dust into the air in a choking cloud. The wind died after about half a minute, leaving me choking and coughing on dust and dirt. I peered around the edge of my tree, to see what I could see. The trees had been cleaned of their autumn colors in a fifty-foot-wide circle, leaving only stark branches behind. Where the bark had been brittle or dry, the cyclone had torn it from the trees, leaving pale, gleaming wood flesh visible. The leaves on the ground were gone as well, as were six or eight inches of topsoil–wind erosion gone berserk. A few stones, newly naked, could be seen in the torn earth, as could the roots of someof the trees and a number of startled worms. MacFinn was sitting up, evidently recovered from the jolt I’d given him. His face was pasty and stunned as he looked around him. His chest rose and fell in uneven jerks. There was a rustle, and then I caught sight of Tera West tumbling to the ground from the branches of the pine tree. She landed with a thump and sat there coughing and staring, her mouth hanging open in surprise.<
Fool Moon, Chapter 15
Fuck….why didn’t those quotes space properly?
Here are the quotes again.
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I shoved Susan toward the stairs, and turned toward the demon, tips of my thumbs touching, fingers spread, palms out toward it. The demon’s mouth opened again, and it made a slick, spittooning sound. “Vento Riflittum,” I shouted, willing my fear and anxiety into a tangible shape, throwing it down from my pounding heart through my shoulders and arms, directed at the foe. The globule of demon acid sped toward my face. My terror and adrenaline roared out of my fingertips in the form of wind, gathering up speed enough to tear the hair from a man’s head. It caught the blob of acid and flung it back at the demon in a fine spray, stopped the thing dead in its tracks, and even drove it back several feet, its claw-tipped feet sliding on my smooth floor, catching on the rugs. The acid sizzled and spat little electric blue sparks on its skin, but it didn’t seem to harm the demon. It did, however, dissolve the trench coat to shreds in less time than it takes to draw a breath and wreaked havoc on my rugs and furniture. The demon shook its head, gathering its wits. I turned to the far corner, near the door, and extended my hand, trumpeting, “Vento servitas!” The pale, smooth wood of my wizard’s staff all but glowed in the darkness as it flew toward me, driven by a gentler, finer blast of the same wind. I caught it in my hand and spun it toward the demon, calling on the lines of power and force deep within the long, unbroken grains of wood in the staff. I extended the staff toward it, horizontally like a bar, and shouted, “Out! Out! Out! You are not welcome here!” A touch dramatic in any other circumstance, maybe–but when you’ve got a demon in your living room, nothing seems too extreme. The toad-demon hunched its shoulders, planted its broad feet, and grunted as a wave of unseen force swept out from my staff like a broom whisking along the floor. I could feel the demon resist me, pressing against the strength of the staff, as though I were leaning the wood against a vertical steel bar and attempting to snap it across that length. We strained silently for several seconds until I realized that this thing was just too strong for me. I wasn’t going to be able to brush it off like a minor imp or a niggling poltergeist. It wouldn’t take me long to exhaust myself, and once the demon could move again it was either going to dissolve me with its acid or else just waddle up to me and rip me into pieces. It would be stronger than a mortal, a hell of a lot faster, and it was not going to stop until I was dead or the sun had come up or one of any of a number of other unlikely conditions were met.
Storm Front, Chapter 13
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I swung my eyes down from the ceiling, to the elevator’s floor, pressed my palms against it. Bits of something rained down on my head and shoulders, and the clicking and scuttling of the scorpion got louder. I took all the power I’d drawn in and focused it beneath my palms. There was air space beneath the elevator, in the elevator shaft, and that was what I reached for–air, instead of fire. This was a simple spell, one I’d done hundreds of times, I told myself. It wasn’t any different from calling my staff to my hand. Just … a little bigger. “Vento servitas!” I shouted, pouring every bit of strength, every ounce of anger, every shred of fear I had into the spell. And, beneath the elevator, the winds rose up at my call, a solid column of air that caught the bottom of the elevator like a giant’s palm and hurled it upward, through the darkness of the elevator shaft. The brakes squealed, threw off sparks, and fell to pieces that dropped through the hole the scorpion had torn, to land next to me. The force of it pressed me down to the floor with a groan. There was a long and rising whine as the car accelerated up the elevator shaft. I hadn’t meant for there to be quite that much wind, I thought, and prayed that I hadn’t just killed me and Murphy both. The elevator hurtled up and up and up, and I could feel my face sagging down with the speed of it. My office building is twelve stories high. We’d started at the second floor, so assuming an average of nine feet per story, it was almost a hundred feet to the building’s roof. The car shot up it in less than a half dozen of my frantic heart beats, slammed past the blocks at the top of the line, and hammered into the roof of the shaft like the bell on the strongman’s sledgehammer game at the amusement park. The impact crushed the scorpion into the concrete with a series of sharp popping sounds as chitinous plates cracked and splintered, flattening it into a shapeless brown splotch. Colorless goo, the ectoplasm of magically created mass, spattered out between the crushed plates and hide and down into the car. At the same time, Murphy and I were hurled up, meeting the goo halfway. I kept Murphy in the shelter of my body, trying to stay between her and the roof, and my back hit it hard enough to make me see stars. We tumbled loosely back down to the elevator’s floor in a sprawl of limbs, and Murphy groaned beneath me when I landed on her. I lay still for a moment, stunned. The scorpion was dead. I’d killed it, crushed it between the elevator and the roof of the shaft, and drenched myself and Murphy in ichor doing it. I’d saved our lives from the murderous device, against the odds.
Storm Front, Chapter 22
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My eyes tracked down to earth to find an indistinct shape stir in the leaves, and then resolve itself into Tera West’s long limbs and practical clothes. She gathered her legs beneath her and crossed at once to MacFinn, her chest heaving, her eyes vague and distant. “MacFinn,” she said. “MacFinn! You’ve killed him,” she snarled, and her eyes snapped up to mine, bright and burning with amber anger. I could have sworn I saw her face start to change, her bared teeth begin to grow into fangs. Maybe that was just the effect of the magic on my perceptions, though, or a primitive, lizard-brain sort of reaction to Tera rising to her feet and charging toward me with a howl. There was murder in her eyes. I hadn’t gotten beaten up twice, shot, and nearly strangled to get taken out by a misguided werewolf bitch. I gathered in my dizzy, spinning will and extended my good hand toward the charging woman, flicking my wrist in a circle. “Vento giostrus!” I trumpeted. The winds howled down from the trees and whipped into a savage circle of moving air, lifting up dried leaves, sticks, and small stones. The miniature cyclone picked the charging Tera up off the ground and hurled her a good twenty feet through the air, into the branches of a pine tree. It also hurled out a cloud of rocks and small debris, forcing me to seek shelter behind a tree trunk. How embarrassing. It was a little more wind than I had wanted. That’s the danger of evocation, of that instantaneous, ka-blowie sort of magic. Control can be somewhat tricky. All I had wanted was something to spin Tera around and then to plop her down on her ass. Instead, rocks hammered against the tree trunk and zipped by, rattling against the trees all around in an almost deafening clatter. The wind shook the trees, tore branches from them, and cast half a ton of dirt and dust into the air in a choking cloud. The wind died after about half a minute, leaving me choking and coughing on dust and dirt. I peered around the edge of my tree, to see what I could see. The trees had been cleaned of their autumn colors in a fifty-foot-wide circle, leaving only stark branches behind. Where the bark had been brittle or dry, the cyclone had torn it from the trees, leaving pale, gleaming wood flesh visible. The leaves on the ground were gone as well, as were six or eight inches of topsoil–wind erosion gone berserk. A few stones, newly naked, could be seen in the torn earth, as could the roots of someof the trees and a number of startled worms. MacFinn was sitting up, evidently recovered from the jolt I’d given him. His face was pasty and stunned as he looked around him. His chest rose and fell in uneven jerks. There was a rustle, and then I caught sight of Tera West tumbling to the ground from the branches of the pine tree. She landed with a thump and sat there coughing and staring, her mouth hanging open in surprise.
Fool Moon, Chapter 15
“He was technically dead in ghost story”
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I think I heard something about being able to revive himself after he died Dr Strange style in Black Templar vs Dresden
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Is he sill dead now? Or did he come back to life now?
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I wonder if Sephiroth’s “life” spells would work in this sitch
What if Sephiroth just gave Dresden his name, willingly speaking actually?
Why would Sephiroth give anyone his name? He’s never done it except once in Kingdom Hearts 2, which is non-canon to FFVII
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“Tell him Sephiroth is looking to settle things”
-Sephiroth in KHII
What does the Original Final Fantasy 7 have to say about it?(The game itself, I mean!)
Sephiroth’s never pronounced his name once afaik
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So… why would he do it now?
“Is he sill dead now? Or did he come back to life now?”
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!SPOILERS!
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No. He kind of went through a literal out of body thing. His body was being kept alive but his soul was separated. He was returned after a the adventure was over.
During the course of his Ghostly adventures he managed to turn his ghost body into a living flesh for bit but it reverted back into ectoplasm.
Anyway, Dresden can keep Shepiroth away and even do some damage to him with those (possibly) tornado force winds.
As to the name thing, before anyone thinks about it; Dresden would probably not have been able to play FF7 by the time it came out due to the wizard/tech problems.
@Atomic Lowk
You mean unless the One-Winged Angel slipped it off his tongue, Moot Point is Moot? T_T’
Anyways, I honestly don’t get why Sephiroth pronouncing his name (not that he’d do it) would be a point against him (unless I missed something due to my TL;DR weakness?)
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“Dresden would probably not have been able to play FF7 by the time it came out due to the wizard/tech problems.”
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What about Crisis Core or Advent Children (as in watch Advent Children)
His shield bracelets have also protected him from the force of an elevator crashing from the top of a 12 story building in Storm Front.
@Admiral or Atomic Lowk
Care to inform why pronouncing the name would allow for his name to be used against him?
Why can’t you do it?
@Lowk
he can’t play FF7 but….I know a few former college kids that are friends with Dresden that probably have.
not that it helps though. Course they could play the scene while the computer is protected by a circle..and he’s watched the Star Wars Movies somehow. and he could always watch his friends play it, he’s got knowledge of Games Workshop the guys who do Warhammer 40K so somethings up.
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@NZ
we calced that somewhere on Dresden Kratos
“Care to inform why pronouncing the name would allow for his name to be used against him?”
Because if Harry knows a person’s name, then he can use it against him by focusing magic into the person whose name he’s focusing one, if I remember correctly.
“What about Crisis Core or Advent Children (as in watch Advent Children)”
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Anything after 1994 he likely wouldn’t have been able to see on television, movies, or games. He might have heard it from one of his friends(being that they tend to be made up of nerds) but that kind of up to speculation until someone at least mentions final fantasy.
‘People who don’t know diddly about wizards don’t like to give us their names. They’re convinced that if they give a wizard their name from their own lips it could be used against them. To be fair, they’re right.’
-Harry Dresden, The Dresden Files Book 01: Storm Front, Ch. 1 Pg. 06.
I checked, straight from the 13th page of Dresden vs Eragon if anyone asked, and yes I brought that quote up back then.
@Stealth
names give power and have power in Dresden Files multiverse (which may or may not include marvel) if Dresden has your name from your lips recently your fairly fucked.
“we calced that somewhere on Dresden Kratos”
The wind or the elevator thing?
elevator
“and he’s watched the Star Wars Movies somehow.”
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In one of the books(I think ghost story) He says he’s fond of going to these
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The projector is way in the back and while he is way up front so he doesn’t affect the tech. They still have some of these today so he probably can keep up with movies in that are put in theater. Was Advent Children ever in theaters?
@Admiral
Meaning Sephiroth would leave himself right open long enough for Dresden to get a confirmed kill on the One-Winged Angel’s collective skull, right?
still doesn’t explain the Warhammer comment.
The Drive Ins I figured, course even in a normal theater if he stays in the middle or lower rows he’s far away from the tech.
@Atomic Lowk
If it were, you have no idea how reliable this would have been, in fact.
@Commander
not exactly, if Dresden hears it in a game that may help him it may not, a person’s who they are can change all the time, the way they see themselves affects how they say their name affects how it works.
@Admiral
So much for that means of getting a quick enough kill! T_T
not saying it won’t just that it might not.
“elevator”
And what conclusions were reached?
Even so, Sephiroth’s never pronounced his name once in FF7, so why would he do it now?
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Speaking of which, what was the result of the elevator thing?
Some people Ignore CIS when its convienient!
As for the Elevator conclusions, aren’t Dresden’s shields a lot more powerful compared to back then?
Its not within Sephiroth’s character to pronounce his name at all, so nobody is ignoring CIS here
@Negative
have to look again.
@Stealth
you want I should show you the list of fictions Dresden has referenced personally?
“you want I should show you the list of fictions Dresden has referenced personally?”
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*curiosity piqued*
“Dr. Doctor May 15, 2012 at 4:18 pm – #484
12 x 9 foot
9 feet = 0.3048 meters
0.3048 x 9= 2.7432 meters
2.7432 x 12 = 32.9184 meters
V(Final)=V(Initial)t + 1/2(a)(t)^2
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Assuming V Initial is zero (at rest) we cross out Vinitial(t)
Vfinal=1/2(a)(t)^2
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We know acceleration is -9.8m/s/s, but we don’t know the exact time of the falling elevator.
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Vfinal=1/2(-9.8)(t)^2
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Let’s throw another equation at this: Delta X (32.9184 m) = Vinitial (t) +1/2 (a)(t)^2
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Again, V initial being zero, Vinitial(t) is cancelled out
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32.9184=1/2 (-9.8)(t)^2
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Multiply both sides by two, and divide by -9.8
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65.8296m/-9.8m/s/s=t^2
-6.71730612 s^2=t^2
Square root both sides to isolate the variable
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2.59177663=t
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Let’s look at the sum of our information now:
V0 (Vinitial)= 0m/s
A=-9.8m/s/s
T=2.5917763s
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Going back to our initial equation:
Vf=V0(t)+1/2(a)(t)^2
Initial is again crossed out:
Vf=1/2(-9.8)(2.5917763)^2
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If Google Calculator is anything to go by, final velocity is:
-32.9147915 m/s (ground being zero)
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If any of that helps.”
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“Edit: 1 foot=.3048 meters.”
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“Probably because the question never came up before xD
It took a bit of thinking to figure this one out.
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“The average mass of an adult human is 54–64 kg (120–140 lbs) for females and 76–83 kg (168–183 lbs) for males.” –Wikipedia’s Article on “Humans”
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For Murphy, let’s pick the median of the average data (59 kg) and for Dresden, let’s pick the median as well (79.5kg)
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E=1/2mv^2
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59+79.5=138.5
E=1/2(138.5kg)(-32.9147915 m/s)^2
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75 024.3073 joules of energy
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I will recalculate if canon mass was given for Dresden and Murphy, or if it makes more sense for the elevator’s energy to be calculated.”
Translation: Sephiroth is less cockier than Aizen, but still coy enough to reveal his name via slip of the tongue.
Got it!
Tell that to me when Sephiroth manages to besiege Silent Hill and somehow magically succeed with it, then.
Because twisting my words works too?
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The only peoples Sephiroth toys around with are the FFVII main cast (Cloud in particular). Other than that he’s a ruthless combatant which is why he owned Aizen (or so I’ve heard)
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Im still not seeing why Sephiroth would give his name away especially when he never gave it to Cloud (who he toys around with the most) or anyone in his own universe
Dresden has referenced Marvel lots, DC, GameWorkshop, Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Edgar Allen Poe’s works, Dracula, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the sister show Angel, (all referenced or quoted or both at least. as are all after) Firefly, Harry Potter, Monty Python and the Holy Grail gets quoted, Metal Gear Solid series and The Pirates of Penzance in one swoop (Dresden references the exclamation point thing) The Princess Bride, Dog Soldiers, the Alien series, Alladin, Shakespeare, Peter Pan (in a very badass way), Sesame Street, Book of Amber, Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, the Venture Bros., Charlie Brown, Indiana Jones, Doctor Who (Dresden liked Tom Baker the best) Futurama, The Prisoner, Big Trouble in Little China, Carrie, Yogi Bear, Wil E Coyote Super Genius, Disckworld, Pulp Fiction, the Terminator Franchise, War Machines, Mercy Thompson series, Xanth, Cifford, Lost Boys, and the Brady Bunch, may have missed a few though.
Oh and there’s this quote
“You’re saying that Mab and Uriel are in on something. Together. The Queen of Air and Darkness, and a flipping archangel.”
“We live in strange times,” Bob said philosophically. “They’re peers, of a sort, Harry. Hey, word is that even the Almighty and Lucifer worked a deal on Job. Spider-Man has teamed up with the Sandman before. Luke and Vader did the Emperor. It happens.”
“Spider-Man is pretend and doesn’t count,” I said.
“You start drawing distinctions like this now?” Bob asked. “Besides, he’s real. Like, somewhere.”
I blinked. “Um. What?”
“You think your universe is the only universe? Harry, come on. Creation, totally freaking huge. Room enough for you and Spider-Man both.” He spread his hands.
—Ghost Story, Chap 35
it doesn’t mean much until you realize that Spider-Man: The Darkest Hours is a novel written by Jim Butcher, as far as I know that novel is canon, meaning that based on what Bob is saying the Dresden Files is technically possibly connected to the Marvel Multiverse, and probably other fictional universes..Also Archangels in the Dresden Files prefer Star Wars, not important just a comment.
No Transformers?
@Stealth
no, very surprisingly not yet.
Some day….
It’s almost ridiculous, Dresden seems the type to quote Optimus’s speeches, or hell maybe even Megatron or Starscream.
Anyways, still not seeing why Sephiroth would give out his name in the middle of an immediate combat situation when he never did it with Cloud or anyone elseand when he doesn’t hold back on anyone else other than the FFVII cast
It’s unlikely, course, Dresden has a penchant for using highly insulting nicknames on people.
Hmm, wonder what he’d call Sephiroth then hehe
Something about him looking like an old lesbian or transvestite?
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MGS was mentioned in the Dresden Files? Awesome, almost a reason for me to read them lol
Yeah, when Dresden “promotes” the leader of his Za lords guard he mentions that he wouldn’t have been surprised if the yellow exclamation point had appeared over the little Faeries head.
“Something about him looking like an old lesbian or transvestite?”
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Tranny would probably be a safe bet.
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“Something about him looking like an old lesbian or transvestite?”
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I thought I would hear something like this
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Or wearing his mothers favourite leather coat or having a large sword to compensate for something he don’t got *nudge nudge*
*bumps thread*
so as far as we can tell still around 60/40 possibly a little closer?
Yeah ’round about that imho
just curious but what would catching an actual lightning bolt put Dresden’s reactions at.
“I suited action to my words and plunged toward the opening Ebenezar’s allies were cutting for us. There was a surge of magic and a flash of motion ahead of us, as another vampire noble tossed another flare of power at me. I caught a small stroke of lightning on my mentor’s staff – it was shorter, thicker, and heavier than mine – conducting the attack down my arm, across my shoulder, and out the tip of my newly acquired sword. The lightning bolt chewed a hole in the belly of the Red Court noble. He staggered as I closed on him. I spun the staff to the horizontal, and checked him in the nose as I went by, dropping him to the ground.”
Changes, Chap 47
Okay before you say it, yes that was a magically created attack but. Going back to Turn Coat…..
” I got into position and licked my lips nervously. It was harder to work with pure, raw kinetic
energy, with force, than almost any other kind of magic. Unlike using fire or lightning,
summoning up pure force required that everything in the spell had to come from the wizard’s
mind and will. Fire, once called, would behave exactly like fire unless you worked to make it
otherwise. Ditto lightning. But raw will had no basis in the natural order, so the visualization of it
had to be particularly vivid and intent in the mind of the wizard using it. ”
Dresden state’s that fire and lightning spells once released act like natural fire and lightning, so once the vampire used the lightning spell it was a true natural bolt that Dresden sensed caught and redirected.
@Admiral
That would mean at the very least via low-balling that Pumpkin-headed Dresden’s a Lightning Timer at the very least.
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Could have been pre-emptively reacting to the lightning before it was fired and then caught it?
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Speaking of which, I wonder how fast Cloud would be for dodging Kadaj’s flare attack thingy (Mach 26 lol, nah jk)
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Speaking of which, I wonder if these 2 on a team would be cool
Actually if he can sense magic and sensed the vampire about to use the attack then he could have had a form of precog to act to the attack before it was unleashed
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Like it was being argued that he could have a form of precog against Sephiroths magical assault
well he says there was There was a surge of magic and a flash of motion ahead of us, as another vampire noble tossed another flare of power at me. so he did sense it, but the fact remains that it’s canon that Fire, once called, would behave exactly like fire unless you worked to make it
otherwise. Ditto lightning so it still should have been moving pretty damn fast if it works like real lightning I think Original A calculated it at 50 km/s which means it was on Dresden in the instant he saw it which is why the immediate next sentence is reaction as opposed to preparing to react. if it was but precog he would have already had his shield ready probably. But I could be wrong
@Admiral
Wasn’t it shown in the 1st novel, Storm Front, that Dresden was able to react against Lightning before his Combat Precognition started kicking in?
Well in any case, unless someone means to tell me Sephiroth has Lightspeed reactions, 1+ to Dresden, anyone?
If he sensed it, then he possibly could have sensed the attack beforehand and what said vampire was going to use and would have caught the attack because he knew what was coming beforehand, ie aim dodging. Plus its kind of a false dichotomy to assume he has lightning timing as such, otherwise by that logic Kratos, Dante, Luffy, Naruto, Link and Cloud have lightning timing reactions as such
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Plus even if he has reaction time, he still doesn’t have the movement speed to keep up with Sephiroth, this this I believe was discussed in Sephiroth vs Kratos about how reaction time can be overwhelmed when you lack movement speed to keep up
True, but there’s still the matter that there was far less than 50km between them.
If lightning is 50000 m/s then it would have crossed the distance in one second
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Seeing as how by your admission Dresden can sense magic being cast then he would have been able to sense the vampire gather the magical energy to cast the spell and act just as the spell was being cast ie aim dodging
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Plus logic swings both ways seeing as Cloud was able to dodge Kadaj’s bolt attack and Sephiroth is levels above Cloud in speed. However Cloud could have been aimdodging seeing as Kadaj was charging the attack and Cloud noticed this
He can sense the energy of the magic but not the type of spell being used, it could have been a fireball in which case he couldn’t have redirected it or it could have been a blast of concealed darkness magic (like some vampires have been known to wield). If you take into account he’s drawing on more power from Winter throughout the fight, he could have speed up his mental capacity and reactions so that to him that second was far longer even though to a person watching it was a single moment.
Lasciel’s Shadow was able to something similar when he was in the cave with the C4 to him the countdown to doom had slowed down so the last few seconds allowed him to react and do what he needed. If it’s needed I’ll post that, again it’s possible he was doing something similar, if his mind was able to be set that way magically once he could do it himself probably, combined with the enhanced winter knight physical capabilities it may have been enough for him to see that it was in fact a lightning spell as it aproached him and react. It was still in that second but to him it was slowed down.
woot proof positive Dresden fought something out of Lovecraft when he killed He Who Walks Behind’s physical form and that he looked on a being from that realm and did not lose it.
“#413 “In the Dresdenverse, was HP Lovecraft On To Something like Bram Stoker, or was he just an author with a thing for odd adjectives?”
He was onto something. And, like Stoker, it got him killed.” Word of God
“He can sense the energy of the magic but not the type of spell being used, it could have been a fireball in which case he couldn’t have redirected it or it could have been a blast of concealed darkness magic (like some vampires have been known to wield). If you take into account he’s drawing on more power from Winter throughout the fight, he could have speed up his mental capacity and reactions so that to him that second was far longer even though to a person watching it was a single moment.”
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Yeah, I meant he could sense magical energy being gathered by said vampire beforehand and as such could have been alerted to it attacking him raised his staff or whatever to absorb the lightning at the same as the lightning was being fired at him.
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As in in the same timeframe the vampire begins to fire his lightning and Dresden has his staff up to catch the lightning and in the next timeframe the lightning crosses the distance connects with Dresden’s staff ie. aim dodging (he didn’t raise his staff after the lightning was fired and/or intercept it in mid flight, which is actual lightning timing).
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If he was really a lightning timer then he wouldn’t have needed to activate the shield at the same time as the explosion in that mine went off (not after it went off because he likely lacked the reaction to do that), typical detonation velocities are 1800 m/s (Mach 5.7) to 3000 m/s (Mach 8.8) and lightning is 50,000 m/s (Mach 147), thus lightning is 16-28 times faster than typical detonation velocities.
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Which if it was proper lightning timing (dodging after the attack was fired and/or intercepting it in mid-flight) then it would be considered an outlier.
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Kinda the same deal with Aang, Kratos and Dante (with fighting Azula, Zeus and Blitz, who wield lightning based powers in combat).
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Plus Sephiroth can also boost his speed with his haste materia powers
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbBwnqCYtFg&feature=plcp
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5:25-5:28: Cloud dodges a bolt attack from Kadaj
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7:20-7:25: Cloud dodges several bolt(?) attacks from Kadaj
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I’m not sure if its aim dodging or not as Cloud did notice Kadaj charge up the attack before he fired it (although I’ll wait for confirmation from my fellow Sephiroth buffs), even so im not sure where this puts Cloud (or Sephiroth ftm)
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Sephiroth is also levels above Cloud in terms of speed and physical ability so via powerscaling Sephy should be capable of similar or superior feats
I highly doubt Dresden has the sort of speed to actually block lightning. I mean He might be getting into the superhuman range now but that seems a bit much.
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“If he was really a lightning timer then he wouldn’t have needed to activate the shield at the same time as the explosion in that mine went off ”
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Not that I’m endorsing the lightning timer thing but wasn’t that before he became the Winter Knight?
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I think the fact that Harry sensed the him(among a battle consisting of a bunch of mages and Odin flinging around magic) and the speed he was able to improvise an effective counter might still be considered a good feat though.
“I think the fact that Harry sensed the him(among a battle consisting of a bunch of mages and Odin flinging around magic) and the speed he was able to improvise an effective counter might still be considered a good feat though.”
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Well yes it was a decent speed feat no doubt about it as he was able to counter the lightning attack, but lightning timing (Mach 147+) reactions sounds quite outlandish and a would be bit outlierish considering he had to raise his shield at the same time as an explosion went off rather than after it went off (typical detonation velocities are Mach 5-8 btw)
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But I’d say Dresden is at least in the mid-high sub-sonic range in terms of speed and reactions
true, I’ll admit he’s probably not a full lightning timer, he sensed it (though there was a full blown mage war going on around him sensing a spell being directed at him says something) with the mine thing he was setting it off on purpose so the shield was needed to direct the blast completely to where he wanted.
The C4 blast he was tired as hell and both of these were before Winter Knight. While some have said the feat isn’t good cause he was drawing power from lust from a kiss, the fact remains all spell casting to a point comes from emotion. As Butcher has said when a wizard draws on magic he’s pulling the primal energies of the universe and creation into himself and shaping it to a specific end. Emotion is a form of energy so to speak which is what Dresden was using there. (not saying it’s a Green Lantern esque thing but similar concept considering he’s stated he can use willpower and shape it and such.) While I admit this may not help much he should be able to at least get his shield up to block attacks.
So we’re better off just waiting until Cold Days or another DF short story involving Dresden himself happens, in that case? T_T’
Dang it!
Also, wizards are capable of reaching the moon so Harry’s shield survives in space comment may be true.
@Admiral
If it is, what would it mean, again?
” I’m not sure if its aim dodging or not as Cloud did notice Kadaj charge up the attack before he fired it (although I’ll wait for confirmation from my fellow Sephiroth buffs), even so im not sure where this puts Cloud (or Sephiroth ftm)”
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Aside from looking like aim dodging, we don’t know what sort of attack that was other than going by appearances where it looks like a green fire ball/bolt. Can’t be lightning as it doesn’t explode like that.
wait are you talking about the Cloud feat or the Dresden one?
@Admiral
Think its the Cloud reactions they’re talking about.
Either way, this ought to wait until Cold Days starts coming in, and I don’t know how many months from now is it.
Cloud feat, I didn’t mention Dresden at all in there lol
Cloud feat, I didn’t mention Dresden at all in the post.
I figured but I wanted to be sure. Though I guess that there’s no way to know if Dresden was just aim catching that attack.
@Admiral
Do I smell an unintended double-post on the Soldier’s part?
“Aside from looking like aim dodging, we don’t know what sort of attack that was other than going by appearances where it looks like a green fire ball/bolt. Can’t be lightning as it doesn’t explode like that.”
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Well it was a similar flare attack to the one that was used by Bahamut in AC, but then again, we don’t know how fast that attack was
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And the second reaction feat for Cloud likely wasn’t bolt attacks being launched at him as they didn’t act like lightning either
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*shrug*
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“this ought to wait until Cold Days starts coming in, and I don’t know how many months from now is it.”
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Says “TBA” on its release date. So it could be next year or so
“Says “TBA” on its release date. So it could be next year or so”
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Last I heard, early 2013
Where did you hear this?
My mistake I misremembered(is that a word?). He was talking about early this year.
July seems to be the earliest estimated date.
fyeahdresdenfiles.tumblr.com/post/18444029375/cold-days-estimated-release-date
www.goodreads.com/book/show/12216302-cold-days
yeah the manuscript was turned in this year July, which means the book should be out sometime this fall.
@Admiral
So the Kombat may resume if/when Fall hits?
This is gonna hurt, hope its not November, because November seems to be that one time when at least one bad match in particular happens per year. T_T
Hopefully we can subvert this year, but I’m expecting that we’d be lucky to have a match with Badassery levels on par with the Cartoon Network Civil War or higher, otherwise let the lunacy resume. T_T
“yeah the manuscript was turned in this year July, which means the book should be out sometime this fall.”
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So perhaps we can wait for it without having to wait for a whole year for the book?
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Speaking of which (and going again) anybody else think these 2 on tag team against another team would be cool?
yeah if I’m right it will be here this fall.
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team would be cool I think.
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mind looking at Thanos vs Darkseid?
“team would be cool I think.”
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Hmm, I thought of something really cool, where Dresden is the magical artillery where Sephiroth is the melee guy or something like that lmoa
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Anyways I’ll go check the Thanos vs Doom thread out I guess, although if its one of those “both guys get everything” thread, both guys are near omnipotent and stuff….
That would probably work.
no, just straight Thanos vs Darkseid
off topic but
“team would be cool I think.”
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Harry Dresden, Luke Skywalker and Sephiroth vs Hogwarts?
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Anyways I found a really cool Omnislash gif
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Harry Dresden could probably solo most of Hogwarts on his own, maybe all if he had two hours prep, considering CIS keeps them from using killing curses and Dresden’s shield would be like a god mode cheat there, it blocks magic and none of their spells, not even Avada would be able to get through it. Even if they do manage to wound him Dresden can use his death curse to nuke the castle.
Then again Winter Knight Dresden would probably be able to solo. magic proof armor magic proof shield and the ability to blow up sections of the castle like a demolition team.