Suggested By Stealthranger
Here we have two powerful charcters going up against each other!
This battle will take place in Chicago.
Dresden has his leather duster, his staff and blasting rod, shield bracelets, energy storing rings, cane sword, his silver pentacle and the red gem that gives him access to the ways, and his .44 magnum revolver.
Sephiroth is in his Advent Children incarnation and has the Masamune all his powers in his current incarnation
Who wins?
Okay. So in other words this match is still somewhat up in the air. Any guesses where his striking speed weighs in on the scale? If Dresden senses the teleport he may be able to use a wind spell or if when the sword is formed it’s metallic (it does clash with clouds) then his magnetic spell may also be handy. Or if it’s energy….I wonder if Dresden may be able to, like he would with any magic, absorb and redirect the energy making up the blade. I know it sounds absurd but, he has redirected both fire and lightning spells and if the sword is made up of energy and will, that’s what Dresden works with when making spells every day, is it too far fetched to assume he could do the same with Sephiroths energy and will in the shape of a sword?
@Ga
Idk about that. Sephiroth’s willpower is so great he kept himself from dissolving into the life stream. He held off the will of the entire planet/cycle of life and death while immersed in it. He also swings so powerfully that he creates those energy crescents and he casually cuts through buildings and leaves them flaming on the edges. I don’t have any equations to calculate the energy required but if he’s doing that on every swing, even the slower ones, I’d assume that it requires substantial kinetic force. This is all dependent upon if the sword manipulation is a mental battle. It’s physical enough even if it’s a manifested weapon
Dresden doesn’t have to be more powerful, he just has to channel the energy, but again it depends on how physical the sword really is. I agree it clashes with Clouds sword but it could be a x material kind of thing like with Lightsabers. Not saying one way or another. But I’m just saying Dresden could pull an energy redirection possibly. I did say it seemed a bit absurd but I’m not real sure what would happen.
According to Zazax, Sephiroth has a time stop.
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Has this match now crossed into stomp country?
Looking up the ability he mentioned stop, it’s a spell with a 60% success rate of working. I don’t know if it’s just a cast and it happens spell or not though. The effect, also called stop, is temporary as well, with Sephiroth it wouldn’t matter probably though. I also noted that, while this doesn’t mean anything it mentions it being used only by two other characters and Bizarro Sephiroth. I have no idea what that means or if it affects him having it in any way though
@Admiral
Since purely just AC Incarnation Sephiroth is being used, if AC Sephiroth didn’t use Stop or its not shown in the audio, moot point is moot as to whether or not he has that particular spell?
“Since purely just AC Incarnation Sephiroth is being used, if AC Sephiroth didn’t use Stop or its not shown in the audio, moot point is moot as to whether or not he has that particular spell?”
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Not this shit again
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Word of God says Sephiroth has all materia based spells in his current incarnation due to time spent in the lifestream and doesn’t need materia to use magic, ergo he can use said spells here
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As covered in here and Skulduggery vs Sephiroth
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“According to Zazax, Sephiroth has a time stop.”
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He also has dimensional banishment spells
@Stealth and Cross
I really don’t think it matters if he has them all or not, he could use any number of the many spells from the series there’s no way to prove he will or won’t use a specific spell, is it possible he could yes, and from what I’ve read it doesn’t always work and there are ways to not be effected, they are statuses yes but could provide a potential loophole on it since there are defenses on Dresdens duster. I don’t know exactly what it would take to not be affected but it’s not a time stop in the sense of Dante’s or Kratos where all but them are slowed down, just a specific target is stopped. Though I’m tempted to ask if he knows he can do them all it doesn’t really matter since with his speed he most likely wouldn’t need the time stop.
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@Stealth
I was reading up on Sephiroths sword, and under the Advent Children section it says he shows off the swords strength/ by slicing the buildings and such. I’m not sure if that’s an accurate comment or not though.
Does that if it’s energy Dresden could redirect it strategy seem possible or is the blade too physical for it to happen.
“I was reading up on Sephiroths sword, and under the Advent Children section it says he shows off the swords strength/ by slicing the buildings and such. I’m not sure if that’s an accurate comment or not though.”
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He does slice through buildings (slicing clean through steel and concrete and leaving flames along the cut lines) and shatter that huge shopping mall sized skyscraper section of the Shinra building in AC and seeing as they’re striking strength feats then those are physical effects
@Stealth
okay just wanted to be sure it actually was him and not just an affect of the sword. That’s how it was worded on the FFwikia at least. As if it were just the sword was able to grant him the ability to cut through the buildings.
As to the how physical it is thing? Is it more like energy and Cloud’s sword was just able to clash with it like some weapons clash with lightsabers or is it truly physical and steel. If energy, would the redirection thing be possible in any way? And if metal then like I said above wind or more likely magnetic spell may be able to swing the strike back away from Dresden. Or even if magnetic throw the sword out of Sephiroths hands.
“Darthgrim August 6, 2012 at 12:51 am – #2368
Dresden Catching lightning the way he did in the second one is pretty hardcore.
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I don’t know how ar in front of him the Vampire Noble is, so I will assume 10m, because it is easyto work with and because it’s not too far or too close.
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The lowest speed involved with lightning is 60km/s, however this is only for the stepped leader which isn’t a blot of lightning at all.
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It could be possible that Dresden is reacting to this but I doubt it, because of the way it is phrased.
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The next speed we can go with is around 2000km/s, which is the speed of an actual lightning bolt.
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Assuming the first Dresdens reactions are somewhere in the range of 0.00016s
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Assuming the latter it makes his reaction somewhere in the range of 0.000005s
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The first means he can react to something going at Mach 87.8 from a combat distance of 5 meters.
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The second means he can react to something traveling at Mach 2915.5 from a combat distance of 5 meters.”
so going with the last one Dresden should be able to react to Sephiroth yes?
@Admiral
I’d say yes, personally to that question.
I think that that was gone over earlier in this thread
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Even if it was actual lightning timing, reacting to that mine explosion would have been ridiculously easy for him (in other words likely an outlier seeing as typical detonation velocities are in the hypersonic range (Mach 5-10) and typical figures of lightning according to wiki answers is 50,000 m/s (or Mach 147) as such lightning is faster by a factor of 14-29)
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And do we have any sort of idea how far they were between eachother?
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Furthermore he sensed the bolt which could have given him some sort of warning beforehand. Basically the same thing of moving out of the way of a gun barrel as the trigger is being pulled (or aimdodging)
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But it would still be a somethingth of a speed feat and could allow him to react to Sephiroth and fend off a speed blitz, but he still wouldn’t have overall movement speed to keep up with Sephy (I think that this sort of argument was gone over in Sephiroth vs Kratos about how superior reaction time=/=epic win), where mid range combat between the 2 could swing either way
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As such, Sephiroth’s striking speed would still be superior due to being able to deflect bullets from multiple angles with his sword, which is why he’d win a CQC duel about 8/10 times
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Dresden’s best bet is keeping Sephiroth at range where he has the advantage
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Basically:
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CQC goes to Sephiroth
Mid range could swing either way
Range goes to Dresden
True he sensed it, just like we said he could since the teleport.
“reacting to that mine explosion would have been ridiculously easy for him”
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What mine explosion?
found a distance it was 272.5 feet. They were around the middle of the ballcourt of Chichen Itza and 272.5 is dead center they were around there give or take a few feet and the Nobles were near the top of the temple/pyramid.
“What mine explosion?”
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I think something was given earlier in this debate about Dresden’s shield being able to deflect an explosion that destroyed a mine or something like that
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And the vampire that fired the lightning was 83.05 meters away from Dresden with the distance value given and converted
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Even so, I still have my doubts about it being an actual lightning timing feat (both several possibilities with reacting to lightning ie false dichotomy and the fact that in one quote Dresden used his staff as a lightning rod, which the bolt could have been directed to his staff or w/e)
“I think something was given earlier in this debate about Dresden’s shield being able to deflect an explosion that destroyed a mine or something like that”
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Pretty sure that was before WK status and if it’s the c4 feat with the Raiths, he was at a point of exhaustion.
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“the fact that in one quote Dresden used his staff as a lightning rod, which the bolt could have been directed to his staff or w/e”
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The first time he was purposefully calling to a storm for power, thus expecting it.
The second not so much. So even if it was him manipulating the lightning to the staff wouldn’t that still count since unlike the first time he wasn’t expecting lightning and did it mid blast?
Also is staff is wood, not sure how good that is as a lightning rod on it’s own…
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I’d like to take the time to say I am neither endorsing or rejecting the feat as I have a poor record with lightning in fiction(damn you Zuko for running at that lightning!).
Just pointing out things and asking question to help clear it up.
“Pretty sure that was before WK status and if it’s the c4 feat with the Raiths, he was at a point of exhaustion.”
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It had something to so with C4 detonating in a mine IIRC, I’ll see if I can find the feat
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Even so, Dresden does have at least supersonic reactions given he could react to 9mm bullets from 6m away, which should be enough to fend off a speedblitz from Sephiroth if nothing else, thus mid range combat could swing either way now
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“The first time he was purposefully calling to a storm for power, thus expecting it.”
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I was saying its a possibility, but yeah your right so disregard that point *grits teeth*
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“I have a poor record with lightning in fiction”
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Meh, I’m just saying that it should be taken with a grain of salt and that there are several cases of “lightning timing” that normally have loopholes to them (ie. Kratos, Dante, Aang, Luffy, Naruto, Pit, etc)
not sure if this helps but the distance from Dresden to the guy that threw the bolt was 87.5 meters. It got too him pretty well in a second if not less since it was upon Dresden as he turned and had to react.
Also not sure if this helps but Dresden is good at calculating things in his head, like how to win a joust when your on a Harley and your opponent is a car.
“I ignored the gunman, focusing on the staff. Of all my foci, the staff was the most versatile. Meant simply to assist with the redirection of forces I could use to call wind, to bend steel bars, and to channel lightning. I had used my staff to erect barriers of force, disrupt hostile magics, and in a pinch to beat bad guys about the head and shoulders.
I took the tool, the trademark and icon of a wizard, and couched it under my arm like a lance, the tip extending past Murphy’s bike. I reached out for my will and gathered up power, feeding it into the rune-carved wood.
“What are you doing?” Murphy screamed.
“Faster!” I thundered. “Don’t turn!”
Murphy had another gear, and that damned Harley had to have been built by demons, not engineers. No vehicle without a roll cage had any business going that fast.
But I needed it to have enough force to survive. Even wizards cannot escape the consequences of physics. You can call up a storm of fire, but it won’t burn without fuel and air. Want to infuse yourself with superhuman strength? It’s possible. But keep in mind that just because your muscles have gotten supercharged, it doesn’t mean that your bones and joints can support the weight of a Volkswagen.
By the same line of reasoning, force still equals mass times acceleration no matter how big your magic wand might be. Me plus Murphy plus her Harley
didn’t mass anywhere near what the car and the people in it did. I could give us an advantage, but even with the staff I could stretch the rules only so far. Our mass wasn’t going to change-and that meant that we needed all the acceleration we could get.
I started channeling our force into the staff, focusing it into a blunted wedge in front of us. All the extra power flooding ahead of us started heating the air, and flickers of blue and purple fire began streaking back around us in a corona, like one of the space shuttles on reentry.
“You have got to be kidding me!” Murphy screamed.
The oncoming car got closer. The bodyguard started shooting again, then dropped the gun and slid back into the car in a panic, strapping on his seat belt.
“This is insane!” Murphy yelled. But the Harley kept going faster.
The oncoming headlights loomed up in blinding brilliance. The other driver leaned on the horn.
Murphy screamed in terror and challenge in response.
I shouted, “Forzare!” and unleashed my will. It went rocketing down through the staff. Again its runes and sigils flared into hellish light, and the flickering corona of fire ahead of us blazed into an incandescent cloud.
Murphy’s bike didn’t waver.
Neither did the bodyguards’ car.
There was a flash of light and thunder as the force lance struck the car, and between the reckless speed of Murphy’s Hog and my will, physics landed firmly on our side. Our side of the equation was bigger than theirs.
The car’s hood and front bumper crumpled as if they’d hit a telephone pole. The windows shattered inward as force I’d redirected lashed through the car. I screamed as glass and steel started flying, and with every scrap of strength that I had, I willed an angle into the lance, deflecting the car. Its front right wheel flew up off the ground, and the rest of the car followed, flipping up into the air and into a lateral roll. “
I think StealthRanger covered most of what makes Dresden a non-lightning timer
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First, it would be a massive outlier unless otherwise proven.
Second, the lightning is traveling horizontally, unlike real lightning (even though it’s described as real, and there is cloud-to-cloud lightning, so take that for what you will.)
Third, he felt a surge of magic that would allow him to react before the lightning.
Fourth, the staff was just described as a way to channel lightning, so it is highly possible that the lightning was directed towards the staff and didn’t require Dresden to be exact with it.
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“typical figures of lightning according to wiki answers is 50,000 m/s (or Mach 147)”
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That’s just the stepped ladder. Wikipedia says lightning is .3 to .5 times the speed of light.
I’ll be honest, I thought it was too good to be true. Can’t blame a guy for hoping.
That’s okay. *Puts arm around the GuardianAngel’s shoulders* Dresden is still a badass.
Yeah and hey at least we got a good debated match out of this matchup
@Councilor Aelfinn
The matter happened on Chitzen Itza, so who knows what else was going on at the time, to be fair.
Indeed. Although I haven’t been too involved in this one, it’s seemed pretty decent. But don’t sound defeated! Did StealthRanger not say that Mid-range could go either way? That is room for a debate!
@Councilor Aelfinn + The Admiral
It was gonna be Dresden who’d lead us to new hope.
I guess he wounded up like Kamina, then. ;_;
@Councilor Aelfinn
It looks like Mid-Range is Dresden’s only hope for victory, now, since I don’t even know if Dresden can get to long-range, as it is. T_T’
Best of odds, Pumpkin-head, may the mods be ever in your favor.
So are you guys waiting for the new novel or not?
@Aelfinn
yeah Range Dresden wins and midrange could go either way and Melee goes to Seph right now.
Still waiting for the new novel was just saying that at least this match has been a good debate compared to some others especially some of the more recent ones.
” But don’t sound defeated! Did StealthRanger not say that Mid-range could go either way?”
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That was because of some bullet timing feat by Dresden at short range, which Dresden could at least fend off a speedblitz and possibly get some distance between him and Seph, or Seph could get closer to Dresden where he has an advantage
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As I said earlier, if Dresden can establish a decent range, he wins. If Sephiroth can force the fight to close range, he wins
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Also gendrons GTFO my thread seeing as your not debating it
@StealthRanger
*See’s stealth suggested it* ….Touché
“First, it would be a massive outlier unless otherwise proven.”
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True, all we really have is that he’s been upgraded to supernatural in stats.
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“Second, the lightning is traveling horizontally, unlike real lightning (even though it’s described as real, and there is cloud-to-cloud lightning, so take that for what you will.)”
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Stuff like lightning and fire tend to operate how the normal thing does, just directed by the practioner.
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“Third, he felt a surge of magic that would allow him to react before the lightning.”
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If I recall the qoute correctly all it did was help knowing the guy was behind him. He had fired by the time he turned. Meaning he would’ve still had to contend with the blast as it’s coming right?
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“Fourth, the staff was just described as a way to channel lightning, so it is highly possible that the lightning was directed towards the staff and didn’t require Dresden to be exact with it.”
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From what I understand The staff he was using is basically just a focus for his power(like his wand). Meaning anything it does would’ve been due to him. Otherwise its just useful for a wizard to help direct they’re power easier.
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You know Cold Days could probably help clear up his speed with some other lesser or like feats to help determine just how much the upgrade, upgraded him. Quick someone get Jim Butcher.
I have a list of quotes talking about the begrudging relationship of magic and physics.
if it would help.
You can’t claim it’s an outlier unless it’s actually contradicted.
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Didn’t Dresden just get a massive power boost before he performed the feat?
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The Lightning is specifically described as acting like real lightning.
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The magical Build-up matters little as Dresden still reacted to the Lightning.
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The staff doesn’t function as a Lightning rod in any way, Dresden has to direct the Lightning into his staff, it doesn’t happen automatically.
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Long Story short I’m gonna push this as a useable feat.
Dresden did get a power boost, in much the same way Kratos can when he enters Aphrodite’s chambers in God of War 3, only on an ice cold stone table. With a goddess of darkness and air and ice.
IIRC it was a fairly massive boost right?
Well the Power of the Winter and Summer Knights is even. When the Summer Knight power went missing things were out of wack enough the only solution was war leading to either the next ice age or a period of extreme plant growth which would have caused mass growth of viruses as well. So yeah Winter Knight power is enough that if something happened the only solution would be one of the possible apocalypse theories.
Exactly, a jump from Bullet timingto Lightning timing is entirely plausible with power levels like that.
@DarthGrim
Don’t forget the Power-Enhancement Zones.
Those kinds of fighting areas should never be forgotten, its like neglecting Anti-Tech Zones as a legitimate factor in fights!
How much of it was due to the Winter Knight upgrades and how much of it was due to being in Chitzen Itza, we don’t really know, sadly enough. T_T’
Yes, I am still hoping Pumpkin-head here gets this fight already.
“Don’t forget the Power-Enhancement Zones.
Those kinds of fighting areas should never be forgotten, its like neglecting Anti-Tech Zones as a legitimate factor in fights!”
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Somebody is unfamiliar with the neutral battleground rule….
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“Exactly, a jump from Bullet timingto Lightning timing is entirely plausible with power levels like that”
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The average speed of lightning is 670 km/s (Mach 1969) to 4000 km/s (Mach 11,755)
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9mm bullets (which were what Dresden dodged) are 360 m/s (Mach 1.1) to 477 m/s (Mach 1.4)
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So literally a 1970-8385 times difference in terms of speed
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If you want to argue that Dresden’s power up made him several thousand times faster than his base form that is….
well his boss is a higher level godess to be technical. Ties Odin in power give or take and she’s the one who gave Dresden a chunk of her power, on the stone table. I’d rather wait till cold days to say anything about if it’s a definite leap to lightning timer.
@Admiral
You mean outside of Chitchen Itza, that is, and instead a regular and casual case, right?
Okay, Chichen Itza was a well of power, it wasn’t affecting Dresden’s physical abilities. Mab’s power flowing into Dresden did.
But according to Ga here, Summer and Winter knights can have planet wide effects.
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I don’t see it as a massive jump in that respect.
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Dresden doesn’t move that fast, he just reacts that fast, which makes sense since he’s a wizard and magic usually involves mental discipline or something to that effect.
Well the only way to resettle the power imbalance if one went missing other than finding it was war leading to the planetary disaster. I don’t know if the power itself can lead to planetary effects or not. I do know it enhances a persons natural abilities and specialties. Like Dresden specializes in elemental quickfire and straight up quickfire high damage spells as well as energy redirection so it gives him more power in those departments. It also again enhances natural abilities. Mab can also pump more power into Dresden if he gets into trouble, or well the faucet of power gets turned on higher I should say.
Welp.
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I have been misled. :maybe
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Still, that feat is legit in my eyes and as far as I know, Dresden has yet be blitzed by something slower than lightning.
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I don;t need to argue about a power jump, because the feat is there, you need to prove it isn’t legit by finding something that contradicts it.
Would that be outside help? Just asking
I don’t think so since it’s just a flow of power he can draw on.
@Darth
yeah my bad, mistyped I guess. Most of Dresden’s foes are a bit below bullet timer in reactions. Vamps and such have blitzed him but he’s managed to get his shield up or his Duster and him moving made it glancing.
“Meant simply to assist with the redirection of forces I could use to call wind, to bend steel bars, and to channel lightning.”
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This right here shows that the staff has possible lightning-rod-like abilities.
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“The magical Build-up matters little as Dresden still reacted to the Lightning.”
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It can make a hell of a lot of difference. Knowing that magic is building up is the equivalent to aim-dodging.
@Admiral
That’s kind of like how the children of Kronos in particular aren’t ruled out in terms of enhancing physical stats among other things, if need be, right?(As long as its not necessarily going beyond the balance of power during a combat engagement between two sides to swing it in the other side’s favor outright, otherwise, its not to be ruled out completely, if need be!)
I recalled the things like that which happened during the war of the Giants or that Gawdsawful Trojan War being the most famous among such examples, actually.
“It can make a hell of a lot of difference. Knowing that magic is building up is the equivalent to aim-dodging.”
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Or something similar to jumping out of the way of a gun barrel as the trigger is being pulled (and before the bullet leaves the barrel)
“This right here shows that the staff has possible lightning-rod-like abilities.”
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As i said before the staff, his wand, even his bracelet are aids. He’s the one calling, redirecting, or blasting the stuff. The objects just make it easier for him, there a focus point…
As Lowk has said those are just aids, they focus the energy Dresden is manipulating, like the choke on a shotgun focuses the buck or bird shot. Anything Dresden can do with his staff blasting rod bracelet rings sword he can do without it’s just easier cause he has something to channel the energy through
@Admiral
And in the case of a Cane Sword in particular, something to weaponize in CQC, right?
New speed feat for Sephiroth?:
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx3duFYCcho&feature=plcp 4:09-4:13
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Flies several km up into the air in several seconds
not sure if Dresden needs durability help but he fell two stories with falling rubble and was pretty much unharmed
“I’d just fallen two stories amidst maybe a ton of debris, and managed to survive it. Talk about
lucky.”
Had to look through Kratos vs Dresden to reshut up that fucking volcano argument in Akuma vs Kratos and found that one.
November 27th is when Cold Days comes out
www.goodreads.com/book/show/12216302-cold-days
And looks like Dresden has to fight an Immortal. Epicness will ensue and considering Immortality seems to be pretty hard to overcome in the Dresden universe and if you have lived a few thousand years your generally a force of nature……I think Dresden will likely get feats to let him beat Sephiroth. Also epic cover.
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“Immortality seems to be pretty hard to overcome in the Dresden universe”
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What kind of immortality? Theres several kinds of immortality
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As for the match, if what you said on SoT vs Alagaesia is true, then this is a bit of a deadlock? Given that the match can go either way dependant on distance between both combatants
Considering it’s Mab telling Dresden to kill the person, the Immortal is either a god, goddess, angel, or something else that is true immortal not vampire immortal. That said there’s probably an secret motive to it that has absolutely nothing to do with assassinating some random immortal and everything to do with getting her more power. That or Jesus is in town for a comeback tour and she doesn’t like his music
And which thing I said in SoT vs Alagaesia?
@Admiral
Is that the Pumpkin-Head with a GUN???
Not just any sort of gun, either, is that a Rifle for that matter?
How recent is that model?
Wait…his soul is in danger???
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You sure I hear that bit right?
By immortal I mean what kind of immortality
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Type 1: Immortality through longevity, where you cannot die or old age or disease (ie. Elves from Lord of the Rings)
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Type 2: Spiritual immortality,where you can be physically destroyed, but you can create a new form (ie. Sauron, Ganondorf, Darkseid, Greater Daemons from 40K)
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Type 3: Immortality through regeneration, where you are immortal by virtue of regeneration, but normally only high tier regen makes you a type 3 immortal (ie. Alucard, Wolverine, Dark Schneider, Lobo)
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Type 4: Immortality though godhood or protection from a god, where you’re immortal and only a being of higher power can override it (ie. Kharn, Juggernaut, Lucifer Morningstar)
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Type 5: Complete immortality. As in you can’t die by anything. Ever. Normally applies to omnipotents and such (ie. One Above All, Living Tribunal, The Presence)
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Type 6: Parasitic immortality, where you can continue to live by possessing the from of another being to survive (ie. Venom, Violator)
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Which one are you talking about?
I’m putting money on godhood, or complete, though spiritual isn’t impossible but considering Mab is wanting someone to assassinate 4 is probably the best bet.
And again what comment on SoT vs Alagasia?
When you were talking to AHEM about what matches Dresden was in and you said he was in sort of a deadlock with Sephiroth somewhere on that thread
Oh, well it is kind of true, close up Sephiroth wins due to speed range Dresden wins due to firepower and mid range is anyones game, if there are superior RT feats in the new book to bullet timing then more than likely it would tilt the scale on mid range one way or the other and let a winner be decided.
@Admiral
If its bound to be a Type 4 Immortal, does Mab want Dresden to kill said Immortal(whatever variant of Type 4 cases it may be) with Raw Power or his wits as the primary means?
Its well-noted that Dresden’s Wits are his main weapons, while everything else he can get his hands on comes much later, right?
She wants him to be a combo of Altiar/Ezio and Merlin a wizard assassin, how he puts the immortal down isn’t important so long as the immortal label stops applying and the dead label starts.
“Oh, well it is kind of true, close up Sephiroth wins due to speed range Dresden wins due to firepower and mid range is anyones game, if there are superior RT feats in the new book to bullet timing then more than likely it would tilt the scale on mid range one way or the other and let a winner be decided.”
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Oh its not that I don’t disagree, I was just making sure
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But yeah I pretty much agree with the revent outcome what with Dresdens recently given reaction feats
@Admiral
I’ll take it as with this case to be both of the above and then some, right?
And they say the Former Terror of Death and the Grim Reaper of BlazBlue, respectively, are the only ones who have issues trying to keep their humanity intact…apparently they might not be alone in those regards, but he might be alone in having just ONE tier upgrade being the major monkey-wrench tossed in his way to cause it.
Did Sol Badguy had to worry about stuff like that, since he’s no longer a mere human genetically but wound up a Cyborg of sorts?
Yeah, pretty well a matter of does the training put Dresden way above bullet timer or not. I’d rather have something more definitive on whether he’s reached lightning timing and this books likely to give it, as well as new shield feats so potential for him to be able to block Sephiroths attacks which may tilt mid range anyway, but yeah it’s basically a matter of will we see some new RT feats or even shield feats.
@Commander
I really won’t be able to tell you till the book comes out, like I said he could be going after one of the other Faerie queens, or he could be going after Jesus for all I know. An immortal in a universe with all mythologies being true is about as vague as saying a person will have to kill a mortal in our world, your meaning it will be a specific person but not who just that he’s mortal.
@Admiral
All I know is that it might be affecting future plans involving Pumpkin-Headed Dresden at the long run of things, right?
That’s about 1 month and a couple of days after Mark of Athena comes out, and speaking of which, did you get a copy of The Lost Hero, yet, so we can get back to Jace Wayland vs Jason, already?
If 2nd question comes off as crude, I apologize for the tone in that one.
If its a Summer Queen in question, we might wind up seeing Fix again anyway, right?
I seem to feel urged to have Fix in a vs match if he shows up in a life-or-death matter, actually.
If only I didn’t already have Ghost Story, I could get the first two chapters of Cold Days
@Admiral
And then find out if the book starts off with the expansions of the Training from All the Hells you could name for Dresden, or the old Pumpkin-head trying to reconcile with his family + friends while trying to make sure his daughter can get a better future and makes dang sure the Carpenters will raise her correctly, whichever comes 1st?(Much as I’d hope the former can be shown at all in a decent-enough amount of depth, I hope to see the latter get explored rather than ignored outright or skipped over!)
also, not sure what this would mean for anything but when Dresden was still a spirit
“But as he spoke, I knew—not just suspected, but knew—that this guy could obliterate
me, along with the planet I was standing on, with a simple thought. In fact, if what I’d
read about archangels was right, Uriel could probably take apart all the planets. Like, all of
them. Everywhere.”
He was talking about Uriel, the Archangel, Dresden’s guardian angel and the on who gave Dresden Soulfire. Most likely no bearing here but Uriel is immortal, and Mab, Dresden’s boss as well as Odin are around Uriel’s level if not dead even with him. So when the Red King was imposing his will on Dresden it could have been that Dresden was resisting someone that was a potential planet buster (note I say potential)
@Commander
uhm well yeah.
and my mistake, Uriel is on the level of the Winter Mother the one above Mab. and thus more powerful than Odin too
@Admiral on #978
YIKES!!!!
This could affect plans if it turns out that Uriel’s, Mab’s + Odin’s Dresden Files!-Avatars could bust planets(or at least Uriel’s Avatar…I hope!) in the long run of things, right?
How do you fight that if you are not Original!-TM, exactly?
The Red King isn’t a joke in kombat, either, extreme measures must be excised accordingly!
@Admiral on #979
I figured I wouldn’t be alone in the hopes, either.
@Admiral
Still, the news on what Uriel + the Winter Mother are capable of…you might need a Primordial or Original!-TM to have a chance to fight someone of that Magnitude like Uriel if he ever takes to the field on the DF side directly! o.O’
How do you fight someone like either of the two, let alone the Summer Mother?
okay apparently there is a line in ch 1 “there was a ticking crocodile” not sure but that is probably somehow connected to the physical training….and considering the centipede Dresden encountered there was elephant sized…..
@Admiral
Don’t tell me and let me take a shot in the dark in this, the Croc here happens to be at least as big as if not bigger than the Giant Centipede that Dresden ran into, right?
YIKES!!!!
I’m not saying one way or another, the NeverNever/world of the Fae doesn’t exactly make sense
@Admiral
It makes 90% of ‘The World’(the parts that don’t have any Supernatural Reality-Warping Viruses in the way!) look stable in comparison, from the looks of things.(Except for Net Slum, of course!)
Depending on what the rest of Cold Days may reveal, it may even be official that Winter Knight Dresden may even have the potential to fight it out with Virus Core-Era Corbenik, and even be able to pull out a win if Dresden’s left as relatively intact as possible in order to have a shot in surviving from the Rebirth ability, because if he’s too wounded from fighting Corbenik after destroying the thing otherwise, Dresden might wind up dead, anyway.
Yep, Dresden bleeds win, if anything!
lets wait and see what happens first
Does Dresden have defense against a time stop?
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Sephy has one of those apparently.
And dimensional banishment spells too
As for defense against time stops, as said before he can redirect magical energy at an opponent, so that could be a possibility, but if it connects with Harry then he should be effected by it
I’ve read up on all the sources I can find (mainly the FF wiki but can’t garuntee if it’s accurate) the time stop has failed to affect some people when there were magic defensive measures (in game the reason is the items had effects to counter the time stop, could be game mechanics though) and had a chance of not working period (again could be game mechanic) Banishment spell, Dresden has used portal spells before, in fact he’s even used one as a shield before (opened a portal so that debris fell through instead of crushing him) If Dresden can react enough in mid range to Sephiroth charging he could open it and Sephiroth going so fast would just fly straight through and be trapped in the Never Never. Course Sephiroth could probably do the same in the opposite so that still doesn’t decide anything one way or the other.
Defenses would be
-his ability to redirect magic
-Shield stop magic from effecting him
-circle of power negates magic
-Dresden dimension hops
“circle of power negates magic”
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As I said before, Sephiroth can possibly overcome this with his Esuna spell which “cures” spells that shut off magic if this counts as a defense against the magic circle
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“his ability to redirect magic”
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That could work
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“Shield stop magic from effecting him”
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And this too
well he might be able to throw up a circle around himself to cut off the time stop spell then break it and go back on the attack
slightly more effective than just hoping it doesn’t work.
And like I said Dresden could always hop to the Never Never and then back to Chicago to counter the banishment spell but Sephiroth probably has a dimension travel spell too
“Sephiroth probably has a dimension travel spell too”
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Actually other than teleportation, I don’t recall Sephiroth having dimensional travel
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” Dresden could always hop to the Never Never and then back to Chicago to counter the banishment spell”
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May have missed it but how long does this take?
couple of seconds to open the portal, in the Never Never things get timey whimey, a person can walk to England from Chicago by going through the Never Never and it take a few minutes, could take seconds for him to get back or a couple of minutes it’s almost impossible to say for certain how long, a lot less time than it would normally take but I don’t know if I can give you an exact return time. Like I said though the portal only takes a second or so to open.
Would entering the Never Never be going outside the Battle Area, or something?
but no dimension traveling could prove troublesome if Dresden does pull portal shield out again.
@Ruliya
normally yes but I mean Dresden could use it to return to the battlefield if removed. BFR only applies if the person can’t return I thought? I mean I could be wrong but I thought it was only if you can’t return
The Battlefield Removal rule was one that always confused me. That’s why I was asking ^^