Suggested by lancer_AR
The rules are simple: D from his novel form and Spawn from his comic form.
Spawn has all his abilities up until becoming a god and a full necroplasm counter where D has access to all of his abilities.
Who wins?
Suggested by lancer_AR
The rules are simple: D from his novel form and Spawn from his comic form.
Spawn has all his abilities up until becoming a god and a full necroplasm counter where D has access to all of his abilities.
Who wins?
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Moneys on Spawn for now. Even without his ‘pwn God and Satan’ levels of power hes still a universal threat afaik. Could be wrong tho
Spawn.
hey look one of my matches
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sadly I’ve only watched the movies so one of the guys who know more about D would have to come in and help out though from the things I’ve read on here about D he’s on the same level of bullshit as spawn
Even outside of God mode, Spawn is still FTL in reactions like D and has enough strength to destroy him such as his chains, really big guns, hellfire and Agony.
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Soul fucking attacks via necroplasm shouldn’t be of much consequence as D apparently doesn’t have a soul according to midnite on D vs Alucard, Dio Brando, Raziel and Kain. D is FTL and can negate healing factors so he CAN harm Spawn but killing him may or may not be within his ability as IIRC Spawn can only die from decapitation from a weapon of heaven, D’s sword not being one.
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I wouldn’t say this match is a stomp considering D matches up well with Spawn in speed and can damage him enough to potentially BFR him with the Left Hand such as how he defeated Alucard. Potentially however.
“negate healing factors”
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I’ve always wondered about this how does it effect the healing factors? more importantly can its “anti healing factor” effect be over powered by somebody who uses magic exclusively (spawn and his necroplasm for example)
Well, from what I read here, it’s some sort of reality warping magic that allows D’s weapon to kill what would normally be immune to it namely Nobles and werewolves among other monstrosities.
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I don’t know the specifics so I’d wait on midnite marauder while I dig through some threads.
Very cool match, I’m not sure who to put my money on for now.
@Soldiers Shadow
only a weapon of heaven can kill Spawn? Is that all incarnations or just the one we’re using here?
@guardian
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IIRC thats all but omega spawn (who we aren’t using) and the version that kicked god’s and satan’s ass
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also for the record we’re using al simmons not the craptastic one from image united
@lancer
Okay. Hmmmmm I’m somewhat considering a match but will probably wait a while before putting it on vs match aid
vs match aid?
@Guardian
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Just as Lancer said but keep in mind, quite a few Simmons Spawn incarnations have FTL reactions and teleportation, soul fuckery and many other powers.
“Spawn has all his abilities up until becoming a god”
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So first spawn then not the current one right?
no omega spawn and angel spawn just regular old al simmons with a full necroplasm counter
It could include Legion-Spawn or the one right before he entered Eden. Those were pretty juiced up ones.
“just regular old al simmons”
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Ah, it Simmons then. Was about to try and find feats for Downing.
IIRC isn’t downing a fail spawn even when compred to issue 1 al?
Spawn wins and emerges bloodied and bruised.
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Question, full power Spawn vs full power The Darkness (Jackie). Good match up?
@reaper
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full power spawn has him at either god killing levels or beyond
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omega spawn has unlimited necroplasm which pretty effectively makes him a no limits fallacy as his only two power limitations are his imagination and his necroplasm counter
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a full power spawn vs. jackie wouldn’t be fair though a fresh from hell spawn would probably be a better match
@Lancer
Why wouldn’t it be fair?
unless the darkness has some sort of amazing power he could call upon there would be no way for him to stop apple of edin spawn or omega spawn due to the fact they’re both gods in their own way
“IIRC isn’t downing a fail spawn even when compred to issue 1 al?”
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Well he has been able to land a blows on Omega… then got beat down. Still, landing hits and and them having an effect is still something right?
“IIRC Spawn can only die from decapitation from a weapon of heaven, D’s sword not being one.”
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Factpile rules state that this will be somewhere on the battlefield. So, if D is able to get it, he should have a shot. Also, and I’m not necessarily saying that D wins, but he survived a lightspeed impact, which the laws of relativity state means he survived an impact with infinite energy.
@aelfinn
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the weapon from heaven won’t be entirely necessary as D in theory could hack spawn into enough peaces that he’ll end up using all his necroplasm to heal causing him to be taken back to hell
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the holy sword decapitation is just the fastest way to kill a hellspawn not the only way
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“Factpile rules state that this will be somewhere on the battlefield. So, if D is able to get it, he should have a shot. Also, and I’m not necessarily saying that D wins, but he survived a lightspeed impact, which the laws of relativity state means he survived an impact with infinite energy.”
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This is correct. Besides that from what I’ve seen D can cut through Spawn’s chains, absorb his necroplasm blasts using them to become stronger or to throw them right back at him, and since by the factpile rules D get’s access to the weapons he needs to defeat plot-shielded enemies he can win.
can somebody point me in the direction of this factpile rule?
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if you’re all interpreting it right that means that everyone that fought superman should have won as they’d have access to kryptonite
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and again holy decapitation fastest way to kill not only way to kill
@Reaper
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At full power, I don’t think Jackie would be able to kill Spawn or BFR him considering Omega Spawn is a dimensionsal level threat with no real weakness beyond soul fucking and even then I’m skeptical.
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@Redrum
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What other weapons does D ever use beyond stakes and his sword?
“if you’re all interpreting it right that means that everyone that fought superman should have won as they’d have access to kryptonite”
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No because Kryptonite still won’t help everyone since if you lack the ability to even fight back outside of PIS he can still just vaporize you, freeze you, or speed blitz your head off.
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“and again holy decapitation fastest way to kill not only way to kill”
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Ok then if its not necessary why bring it up?
“What other weapons does D ever use beyond stakes and his sword?”
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He keeps a bag of dirt with him. That’s about it. But that’s all he really needs.
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“At full power, I don’t think Jackie would be able to kill Spawn or BFR him considering Omega Spawn is a dimensionsal level threat with no real weakness beyond soul fucking and even then I’m skeptical.”
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The Darkness at its fullest power aka unhindered by The Angelus can devour the universe. He could literally eat Spawn alive.
“if you’re all interpreting it right that means that everyone that fought superman should have won as they’d have access to kryptonite”
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“Certain combatants may or may not have inherent restrictions or other unique conditions for their demise. Examples of this are Superman’s weakness to Kryptonite, and Sauron’s Ring of Power being unmade only by the elements that made it (Mount Doom). In these situations, certain elements may be compatible with similar items from other franchises/universes. However, said exclusive elements will be made available in the neutral arena.”
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However,
Kryptonite isn’t necessary or unique to killing superman. Not sure why it would be apart of that rule. Admin or Mata should change that to a different example.
@redrum
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my superman analogy was aimed at his victory against goku and stomp against kharn if you’re interpreting the rule correctly both of them would have access to superman’s kryptonite and be able to defeat him
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SS said ” If I Recall Correctly” the only way to kill spawn is through holy decapitation which is to say the least only half right
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hellspawns or al simmons specifically have the ability to do just about what they damn well please provided they have necroplasm. Al was shown to regenerate from angelic attacks and weapons as they didn’t cut his head off, he’s also been shown to teleport and bring people back from the dead as long as he has necroplasm he can heal his wounds
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al eventually learns how to concentrate on not using any necroplasm but in a match against D he may not have the luxury of time he’d need to heal without using necroplasm
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the fastest way to kill spawn is through angelic decapitation but if D can wear spawn down to the point he has no more necroplasm to regenerate its back to hell for spawn which would be a victory for D
“my superman analogy was aimed at his victory against goku and stomp against kharn if you’re interpreting the rule correctly both of them would have access to superman’s kryptonite and be able to defeat him”
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Like Lowk said Kryptonite isn’t needed to beat Superman. Superman has been beaten without its use most notoriously by Doomsday and Darkseid. Besides that if Kryptonite was present in his matches only Goku would take the win. Kharn can be vaporized with the eye blasts or beaten to death with a building.
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“the fastest way to kill spawn is through angelic decapitation but if D can wear spawn down to the point he has no more necroplasm to regenerate its back to hell for spawn which would be a victory for D”
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How long does that take.
spawn has 9:9:9:9: necroplasm default if you’re asking how how much necroplasm certain injuries will take it depends on the damage
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bullet wound, deep cut, impalement: 10-20 necroplasm
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dismemberment: 100-200
The Darkness has many ways of destroying Spawn, I believe. I suggested this match awhile ago, and I think it should be a good one. The Darkness is a universe level being, and Spawn is too.
@reaper
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well that shows my lack of knowledge concerning the darkness I’m sure it would be a good match now that I know its a universe level being
“dismemberment: 100-200″
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So D has to cut a body part off 49 times.
@redrum
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thats my wild guess but the general stratagey for D would be keep chopping until he can’t get back up
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you should remember though that spawn isn’t just some slow as crap opponent D is fighting both D and spawn are FTL
“you should remember though that spawn isn’t just some slow as crap opponent D is fighting both D and spawn are FTL”
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True but I’d give the slight advantage to D in a melee since he has the advantage of skill and experience in the avenue of about 12,000 years. Projectile weapons are useless against the both of them since both can easily move out of the way and in the case of D absorb them. This will be decided in Sword to Axe combat.
@redrum
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you also should remember that spawn has the upper hand in defense (at least I’m pretty sure) as he has his cape, his chains and can probably form armor on himself as well as teleport (if the FTL reaction times weren’t enough)
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I also think he can stop time but I don’t know where I read that.
“you also should remember that spawn has the upper hand in defense (at least I’m pretty sure) as he has his cape, his chains and can probably form armor on himself as well as teleport (if the FTL reaction times weren’t enough)”
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Well D has cut through metal that ha resisted the pressure of a black hole. Unless Spawn’s armor is beyond that(doubt it)then his cape and chains won’t help him much. The teleportation is useful though.
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“I also think he can stop time but I don’t know where I read that.”
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D is immune to chronomanipulation.
@redrum
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not that I don’t believe but can you get me a quote or something for the “cutting through black hole resistant metal” bit?
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even if the chains or cape can’t be used in defense (I think the cape takes the form of spawn’s axe so its defensive abilities are limited to spawn blocking anyway) the chains could possibly catch D off guard and possibly tear off one of D’s arms unless D has some retardedly powerful 6th sense or a ridiculous healing factor
“The swipe D made with his blade in midair was fearsome; a heartbeat later, the spears apparently metal shaft had been severed a foot and a half from the end and was sailing through the air. D’s left hand rose, and a black glint screamed through the air to pierce the base of the giant’s throat with unerring accuracy.”-Vampire Hunter D Volume 16 part 1 pg 14.
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Now for the durability of said spear.
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“The walls were closing on them from the front and back. The long spear was bent to its limits. The ever-shrinking confines of the hastily constructed shack-cum-black-hole must have put hundreds of trillions of tons of pressure on either end of the weapon. Both this trap and the spear were mind boggling.” Vampire Hunter D Volume 16 part 2 pg 146
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Spawn turns D into a box of Box of wine bottles
“Spawn turns D into a box of Box of wine bottles”
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Making something from nothing and transmuting someone is two different things. The most I ever seen Spawn do is turn a white man black. So you got any quotes for that.
Then you have to prove he can do it in combat while being cut to pieces.
Looks like we have a D fantard here. Transmutation is transmutation if he can make it appear out of thin air I’m pretty sure he can do the same on his opponent
“Looks like we have a D fantard here. Transmutation is transmutation if he can make it appear out of thin air I’m pretty sure he can do the same on his opponent”
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You got to prove it though.
Actually that’s not transmutation. He’s creating something from his Necroplasm. Same way Jackie Estecado can create shit from the Darkness. However niether has shown the ability to complete change something into something else unless you can prove otherwise.
“You got to prove it though”
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Dont feel like it
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Anyway what’s stopping Spawn fromTeleporting inside of D than Ripping out of him from the inside
“Anyway what’s stopping Spawn fromTeleporting inside of D than Ripping out of him from the inside”
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Well given the fact that D is a lot tougher then a cyborg he’d likely be fused together with him. You also forget that cyborgs like that one and Overtkill are 11ft tall allowing space to do that. D is not. Couple that with the fact that he never did that to a human sized opponent and you have to prove he can do it to D without being fused together with him something that Teleportation can do. Would suck for the both of them.
@ReDrum
Actually, Jackie has shown the ability to create water out of the Darkness and nothing else. And considering that The Darkness is not made of water, it’s pretty damn impressive.
“Actually, Jackie has shown the ability to create water out of the Darkness and nothing else. And considering that The Darkness is not made of water, it’s pretty damn impressive.”
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That’s true. But Spawn and Jackie don’t have the same powerset. Spawn uses necroplasm to create. The Darkness is one half of creation thus it can creat literally anything it wants.
The Darkness needs dark to be at it’s maximum. In the light Jackie is still quite powerful. The Darkness can only create things out of Darkness, that is until Jackie was able to create water, I believe it was through training. Even a scientist told Jackie that creating water without using Hydrogen or Oxygen defies everything science knew.
“Well given the fact that D is a lot tougher then a cyborg he’d likely be fused together with him. You also forget that cyborgs like that one and Overtkill are 11ft tall allowing space to do that. D is not. Couple that with the fact that he never did that to a human sized opponent and you have to prove he can do it to D without being fused together with him something that Teleportation can do. Would suck for the both of them.”
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Still a valid option for spawn to win with
hmm despite chuck’s stupidity he does bring up a interesting scenario
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since spawn has been shown to teleport and its been mentioned numerious times that the biggest limitation on his powers is his imagination whats stopping spawn from teleporting an exploding ball of necroplasm into D? or if one of his limbs gets chopped off teleporting them into D and making them turn into spikes or something
“hmm despite chuck’s stupidity”
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Bitch shut up. Im smarter than you remedial ass
“Still a valid option for spawn to win with”
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No its not since Vampires can’t be killed that way.
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“since spawn has been shown to teleport and its been mentioned numerious times that the biggest limitation on his powers is his imagination whats stopping spawn from teleporting an exploding ball of necroplasm into D? or if one of his limbs gets chopped off teleporting them into D and making them turn into spikes or something”
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You said it yourself. He’s limited by his imagination thus you’d have to know he’d do that. Even then He’d have to completely vaporize D or take his head off in order to finish him. Spike and blades to the chest are like tickles to D. Plus there is his durability which is gigaton levels.
“No its not since Vampires can’t be killed that way.”
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Give me a quote where D survives being ripped apart
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“durability which is gigaton levels.”
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Blunt force only
@redrum
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if he’s limited by his imagination that means if he thought it would help him he’d do it I don’t know why I’d have to know he’d do it
@Lance: Because we know you would think of that in his situation, but is it something he would do?
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While we do take away the no killing in a character, everything else remains the same. So Spawn has to have thoughts on doing this. And from what I remember long before the whole killing a deity thing, he prefers using a more straightforward method.
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The Teleporting feat Chuck mentioned is an example. He simply teleported himself without thinking of doing the Necrobomb. Would have gotten the same results, probably easier too, but instead went for the more forward choice.
“Give me a quote where D survives being ripped apart”
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I can give you a quote of him being sliced in half.and another of him being bisected. Is that good enough? Besides that being fused together and ripped apart is to separate things. Teleporation means he tears his molecules apart and puts them back together at another location. However if there is no room to be put back together the molecules fuse with whatever they are teleported into hence why teleporters biggest fear is to teleport into a wall since they’d literally become one with the wall.
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“Blunt force only”
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Blunt force, Friction, and tearing from the impact actually.
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“if he’s limited by his imagination that means if he thought it would help him he’d do it I don’t know why I’d have to know he’d do it”
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The problem with that train of though is that people can make up any wild scenario and suggest that he would do that when you don’t know what he would do. Thus you stick to feats not what you think he’d do. Thinking he’d do something is an assumption not a surety.
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By bisected I mean’t down the middle.
“Teleporation means he tears his molecules apart and puts them back together at another location. However if there is no room to be put back together the molecules fuse with whatever they are teleported into hence why teleporters biggest fear is to teleport into a wall since they’d literally become one with the wall.”
not all teleportation works like this
is this how spawns works
“not all teleportation works like this
is this how spawns works”
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Its in the link Chuck posted. His teleportation works by ripping his molecules apart and transporting them somewhere else and putting them back together.
“The Darkness at its fullest power aka unhindered by The Angelus can devour the universe. He could literally eat Spawn alive.”
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Spawn crosses inter-dimensional barriers between Heaven, Earth and Hell, he can teleport away to escape BFR.
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“He keeps a bag of dirt with him. That’s about it. But that’s all he really needs.”
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I don’t follow, you said “D get’s access to the weapons he needs to defeat plot-shielded enemies he can win.” Any specifics?
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“How long does that take.”
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May take awhile due to his maneuverability via teleports and being like D in being unable to tire and FTL.
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“True but I’d give the slight advantage to D in a melee since he has the advantage of skill and experience in the avenue of about 12,000 years. ”
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While I can agree there, Spawn does possess 6000 other souls he can summon to fight alongside him if this is Legion-Spawn and he does have Class 100 strength to decapitate D were he to get that chance.
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Spawn also has pre-cog that will put him a step ahead of D in close range combat.
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“Well given the fact that D is a lot tougher then a cyborg he’d likely be fused together with him. ”
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Has this happened to him before?
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“You also forget that cyborgs like that one and Overtkill are 11ft tall allowing space to do that. D is not. ”
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But that would mean D would splatter were Spawn to do that.
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“You said it yourself. He’s limited by his imagination thus you’d have to know he’d do that. Even then He’d have to completely vaporize D or take his head off in order to finish him. ”
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I do recall Spawn willing his power to use no energy, and burn with the intensity of a stars core due to his imagination before but the link I found of it in another thread is broken. If he can do that here, could D tank temperatures that high?
“Spawn crosses inter-dimensional barriers between Heaven, Earth and Hell, he can teleport away to escape BFR.”
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If he leaves the arena he’s technically BFRed since he has nowhere to come back to.
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“I don’t follow, you said “D get’s access to the weapons he needs to defeat plot-shielded enemies he can win.” Any specifics?”
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Its in the FP Rules. If a character has plot-specific weapons required to kill them then those weapons are made available.
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“May take awhile due to his maneuverability via teleports and being like D in being unable to tire and FTL.”
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Well according to the chart Lancer put out it would take about 49 hits to take out Spawn.
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“While I can agree there, Spawn does possess 6000 other souls he can summon to fight alongside him if this is Legion-Spawn and he does have Class 100 strength to decapitate D were he to get that chance.”
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Class 100 strength is nowhere near enough though. D can tank gigatons of damage.
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“Spawn also has pre-cog that will put him a step ahead of D in close range combat.”
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D has a form of it as well. Whenever D decides to sleep he dreams about the events of the next day. Hence why he knows peoples names sometimes without them telling him.
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“Has this happened to him before?”
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That’s just how Spawn’s version of teleportation works.
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“But that would mean D would splatter were Spawn to do that.”
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No because D’s body is still more then durable enough to hold itself together. And since blows to the heart no longer hurt him its more then likely Spawn is the one that goes splat or they will be forever fused together and no one wins. However Spawn has never shown the ability to teleport within someone of equal or smaller size.
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“I do recall Spawn willing his power to use no energy, and burn with the intensity of a stars core due to his imagination before but the link I found of it in another thread is broken. If he can do that here, could D tank temperatures that high?”
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D has taken 50,000,000 degrees in heat and radiation without any sense of discomfort while enough electricity ran through his body to power a 3 mile wide city that flies, has a Prometheus cannon that fires energy blasts that can melt a 5 mile wide area, and a shield that can tank blows from alike weaponry. He can take whatever Spawn has to give.
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Hence why I like this match. Its a close one.
“Its in the FP Rules. If a character has plot-specific weapons required to kill them then those weapons are made available.”
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Based on incarnation, D really wouldn’t need anything special to kill Spawn here. He just has to keep dicing until he can absorb Spawn like he did in D vs Alucard.
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“D has a form of it as well. Whenever D decides to sleep he dreams about the events of the next day. Hence why he knows peoples names sometimes without them telling him.”
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But wouldn’t that apply as prep time? Seems a bit much for basic knowledge to me.
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“Hence why I like this match. Its a close one.”
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It is pretty close… Just D gained this absurd durability level that makes it a tough fight for non Omega Spawn.
@Soldier’s Shadow
We don’t see matches like these where only the most determined will walk out of fights like these too often, these days, right?
Granted, Power Levels might help, but at the end of the day if its lacking resolve on either side to be worthwhile, what’s the overall point, right?
there was a picture of spawn being melted by angela or some other angelic warrior but when she went to check it out spawn dragged her into the puddle which turned out to be his own dimension he was using to regnerarate
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also as to his 6000 strong legion I’m willing to allow him access to it but only like a couple of them out at a time due to it becoming a massive stomp when D has to fight 6000 spawns
D is more formidable than i thought he would be
“there was a picture of spawn being melted by angela or some other angelic warrior but when she went to check it out spawn dragged her into the puddle which turned out to be his own dimension he was using to regnerarate”
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D’s immune to that sort of mindrape however, Spawn could turn D’s powers against himself much like he did when he made Angela command herself back to heaven.
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“also as to his 6000 strong legion I’m willing to allow him access to it but only like a couple of them out at a time due to it becoming a massive stomp when D has to fight 6000 spawns”
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IIRC They are not 6000 of the exact Spawn.
also as to his 6000 strong legion I’m willing to allow him access to it but only like a couple of them out at a time due to it becoming a massive stomp when D has to fight 6000 spawns
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Too late. new rule states all changes has to be done within the first 50 posts.
“IIRC They are not 6000 of the exact Spawn.”
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they don’t need to be if they have a fraction of the abilities al has 6000 of them would be a murderstomp
Does anyone know just how fast these characters are? This would appear to be the deciding factor, unless Spawn doesn’t have something to really hurt D.
@Judge AkumaTh
This was the Inglishman’s doing for bringing this sort of harm on us all, right?
If there’s an upside to this, at least Sturgeon’s law is bound to work harder to purge the bad matches from the good matches, right?
I do not remember d and spawn being Ftl where is this coming from Spawn will win
@factbehemoth
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I have no idea where D being FTL came from nor do I remember spawn being FTL but due to his ability to teleport he has an edge over D
What does Vampire Hunter D have against Hypnosis? One of Spawn’s abilities. Also, if Vampire D Hunter is invulnerable to Spawn’s powers and abilities then Spawn will lose as the match will continue until his counter is drained.
@paveway
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spawn’s counter isn’t constantly drained from simple actions he can draw on his suits power or focus hard enough to cause his powers to take no necroplasm (though doing that has been shown to take a while)
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you have to remember that both spawn and D are FTL (or so everyone keeps saying) meaning D will have as hard of a time hitting spawn as spawn will hitting D so unless D has a crazy awesome regenerative ability if spawn hits D he’ll most likely be in a little more trouble then if D hits spawn
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it pretty much comes down to melee combat though spawn has a slight advantage in the form of teleportation
Hey, lancer_AR. That’s true he can do that but I was suspecting that for a match like this he would have to start really using is Necroplasm, especially to heal, and if VHD is nigh-invulnerable then it would be a war of attrition that Spawn may not be able to handle. Although, Spawn can feed off of Evil. Is VHD Evil or quasi-Evil? I don’t know much about this character.
I haven’t heard that Spawn is FTL before, that’s news to me. Hmmm, so basically as the fight goes on CQC Spawn has his time running out every time he heals and VHD has his time run out on health unless he has a good regen ability. I have heard that VHD is insane at CQC though, so I am dubious as to whether Spawn could hold off. This is coming from an avid Spawn fan… =(
wait doesn’t D have a weakness to heat?
Just read that VHD needs sunlight to keep up his stamina…
“it pretty much comes down to melee combat though spawn has a slight advantage in the form of teleportation”
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But D has the advantage of skill, superior senses, and an extra set of ‘eyes’
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“wait doesn’t D have a weakness to heat?”
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Nope
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“Just read that VHD needs sunlight to keep up his stamina…”
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Incorrect. Sunlight weakens D over a set amount of time typically once every 5 years causes him to go into seizures. Dhampiles hate the sun.
Spawn has killed a vampire before so i don’t think he’ll be a problem
^stupidest thing since reger
@x
yes, killing vampires of one kind automatically means you can kill any vampire, never mind D not having any of the weaknesses the one Spawn killed had more than likely. But by all means just jump straight in and say that. There’s never been anything to prove D could easily match Spawn in any physical aspect just about from what we’ve seen.
@Fallstar
posted a new feat on Sephiroth vs Dresden, and Dresden vs Balrog if you want to look. May help tilting the scales.
@GA
alright
[“Just read that VHD needs sunlight to keep up his stamina…”
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Incorrect. Sunlight weakens D over a set amount of time typically once every 5 years causes him to go into seizures. Dhampiles hate the sun.]
Well, there you go he needs sunlight to keep up his stamina. It’s just incremental and surfaces every 5 years but only with Sun Sickness – which I believe is different. “D’s stamina is nearly unmatched so long as he is not exposed to prolonged direct sunlight” – Comicvine.com. “D (comic book character)”. Yes, it’s editable but a source showing itself to be contrary to the information above would be helpful.
Hmmm. Let’s see what we have here. Spawn’s weaknesses:
1) Being beheaded by a Heavenly weapon.
2) Draining his power counter. This won’t kill him but send him back to Hell. (Not sure if he wastes away until Armageddon or not)
3) Patches of Heaven on Earth (DeadZone) and the ‘Greenworld’. (Loses powers)
After some research I found possibly some of VHD’s weaknesses (Remember this guy is not invulnerable but ‘nearly invulnerable’ like Spawn):
1) Sustained damage over long periods of overexposure to sunlight. This is different to Sun Sickness which shows up every 5 years. (I believe)
2) Sustained damage over extremely long periods without blood.
3) Fatal staking though the heart without Left Hand symbiote. (I believe, someone could help me on this one).
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Interestingly enough the VHD doesn’t have, from what I know, any Divine Weapons as a consistent part of his arsenal so that first weakness of Spawn cannot be exploited.
Secondly, Spawn’s symbiotic K7 Leetha leeches evil energy from humans and some animals that relate to what is classically seen as aberrant creatures like insects and bats. Spawn’s leeching powers could work on VHD seeing as Vampires or even the Dhampir could easily be interpreted as having evil especially that VHD is part Human. So no downfall from a perceivable defect in Spawn’s reservoir here.
What about Spawn’s third proneness to fault? Well, does VHD have the power to mind control Spawn into teleporting to such Zones? I don’t think so as Spawn can engage in hypnosis himself he has the powers to do it. I’m open to this not being the case. Seeing as symbiotes should seem to shrug off hypnosis and hypnotic spells quite assuredly. Or can VHD teleport him to such a place? If not then Spawn is not going to die here and will be invulnerable concerning this battle. I could go further into detail here but it’s pretty simple if VHD cannot hold out for eternity in a battle then he has lost IMO.
D will lose Spawn has only 2 weaknesses and d cannot exploit them both 1st if D manages to get a weapon forged in heaven Spawn will turn into Redeemer mode thus reviving not dead if he uses And he cannot manage to goto Heaven since he is a vampire and its a form of help 2nd if D is the mother or the miracle man which helps spawn and can blink him out of existance but nope Spawns current incarnation isa James downing If I cam correct which can turn into redeemer mdoe anytime so beheading him is hard not to mention he can telrport
@factbehemoth
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that won’t be happening
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the acutal “redeemer” character is pretty much heaven’s answer to spawn two different characters
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spawn’s “reedemer mode” was only given to him after he got drained of all his necroplasm and M.o.M fed him a fruit from the tree of knowledge (?) at which pint he was effectively a god and in this state would be able to roflstomp D into the ground
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we aren’t using that version
(FactBehemoth): From my knowledge the weapons that VHD can use are only consistent or somewhat consistent in his armoury. I doubt a Heavenly sword can be found here therefore like I said Spawn is invulnerable in this match. If VHD is anything less than this he loses. Spawn does have 3 normative weaknesses
James downing iss te present incarnation when he fought clown or the violator clown thought he won but suddenly Hell.spawn turned into.redeemer mode
@factbehemoth
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jim downing is from image united right?
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him turning into “redeemer mode” doesn’t make sense as it contradicts everything we already know about hellspawns and al simmons (which again is the one we’re using incase people pulled a tl;dr)
“ncorrect. Sunlight weakens D over a set amount of time typically once every 5 years causes him to go into seizures. Dhampiles hate the sun.]
Well, there you go he needs sunlight to keep up his stamina. It’s just incremental and surfaces every 5 years but only with Sun Sickness – which I believe is different. “D’s stamina is nearly unmatched so long as he is not exposed to prolonged direct sunlight” – Comicvine.com. “D (comic book character)”. Yes, it’s editable but a source showing itself to be contrary to the information above would be helpful.”
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Here’s the problem right here. D’s not a comic book character. He has a comic book but they are not canon. Only the original novels are.
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“1) Sustained damage over long periods of overexposure to sunlight. This is different to Sun Sickness which shows up every 5 years. (I believe)”
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You believe wrong then. Where are you getting this info since it’s surely not from the books
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“2) Sustained damage over extremely long periods without blood.”
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D doesn’t require blood.
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“3) Fatal staking though the heart without Left Hand symbiote. (I believe, someone could help me on this one).”
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It has to be a wooden stake and D overcame this weakness after the first book aka its no longer effective.
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“Interestingly enough the VHD doesn’t have, from what I know, any Divine Weapons as a consistent part of his arsenal so that first weakness of Spawn cannot be exploited.”
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If Spawn can only be beaten by plot specific weapons then they are to be put into the match as per the rules. The rest of what you said lancer already cleared up. No we’re back to square one. Both of them have abilities that cancels out the others but D has the advantage of skill and experience due to him being over 12,000 years old.
@redrum
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as I’ve said before holy weapons are the fastest way not the only
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since both of these guys are going at FTL spawn isn’t going to have the time to focus enough on not using necroplasm to heal his wounds if he gets ran through or gets a limb chopped off he’ll probably take the fastest route and just spend the necroplasm to heal himself
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even if healing himself isn’t the issue spawn still spends necroplasm when he uses any kind of powers in fact outside of leetha’s symbiotic abilities and spawn’s own speed and strength everything he does spends necroplasm meaning ever fireball, every teleport, every regeneration will be spending necroplasm simply because he doesn’t have the time to focus on spending no necroplasm
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it comes down to a battle of attrition: can spawn overpower D without spending any/all of his necroplasm or will D be able to outlast spawn by causing spawn to use more necroplasm
Evidence for Spawn being FTL?
I think I know D is FTL but evidence for him should be provided also.
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www.animevice.com/forums/battles/33/d-vampire-hunter-d-runs-the-gaunlet/330477/
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I was reading this for D’s speed feat but it’s getting late so…
@tarbel
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you’re gonna have to ask somebody else on this site since thats where I got the FTL spawn thing from
The question was aimed towards anyone who knows.
But I guess this match has run out of steam..
[Here’s the problem right here. D’s not a comic book character. He has a comic book but they are not canon. Only the original novels are.]
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Oh. Well I guess I face another problem as well and that would be I don’t think I can spend the time perusing all the information on the web and dissecting whether the biographies are from the novel or the comic. Neither do I want to use time by going through the novels (debate headline mentions just ‘novels’). So no wonder why this thread is dead people can’t be bothered doing the former.
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[You believe wrong then. Where are you getting this info since it’s surely not from the books]
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Lol, don’t I get some honour points for being open-minded? This info is coming from comic vine.com. Seeing as the thread was about the novels I thought this accommodated also graphic novels (which is a fair inclusion) as dichotomous to the anime of Vampire Hunter D.
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[D doesn’t require blood.]
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Again, from Comicvine.com.
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[It has to be a wooden stake and D overcame this weakness after the first book aka its no longer effective.]
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So even if it’s a wooden stake it is no longer effective? So VHD is not just invulnerable he is invincible?
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[If Spawn can only be beaten by plot specific weapons then they are to be put into the match as per the rules. The rest of what you said lancer already cleared up. No we’re back to square one. Both of them have abilities that cancels out the others but D has the advantage of skill and experience due to him being over 12,000 years old.]
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Spawn has about 3 weaknesses as written above one happens to be to weapons forged in Heaven so plot-specific weapons against Spawn won’t be thrown in. The rest of what I said is actually different to what lancer was talking about. Lancer looked at Spawn’s ability to focus on his abilities to not use Necroplasm. I was talking about feeding off of the Evil in the world where a Dhampir would surely have Evil for Spawn to feed off and therefore keep his Necroplasm up, possibly for eternity. Doesn’t seem like square one to me. Although, if you affirm to the last question I have then it must be that VHD is invincible in this debate and Spawn either forces a draw or loses. It also depends if we are going either KO or to-the-death. Skill also comes from Al’ because he was a top assassin. As for experience maybe the suit’s own consciousness a part from Spawn’s can make up for this. If Spawn can’t re-supply his Necro in a ratio to his injuries and power-use then he will eventually lose but if he can it’s a fight for eternity. If it’s a KO session I believe Spawn has this. Spawn could basically detonate his Necro into something akin to a city-destroyer leaving his supply at 0-0-0-1.
Spawn has the healing factor to what extent i dont know, but D could chop him up and hit him with left hand. or negate his healing factor.