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Being that this is a battle based on a subjective media, it should not be judged on personal tastes. It will be judged on things that can be viewed much less subjectively.
Technicality: How well the musicians can play and compose music?
Diversity: How much the style of music varies in the genre?
Influence: How much the music influences culture and other genres of music?
Lyrics: Which has the better lyrics. Based on how eloquent and meaningful the lyrics are?
Loyalty: Which side is more loyal to their fans?
Metal is just an offshoot of Rock, not a very good one at that. Rap/Hip/Hop covers a much more diverse range, and as such in my opinion wins.
Technicality: I’d probably go with Rap/Hip-Hop
Diversity: No question on that one.
Influence: One influences hairstyles, the other, lifestyles.
Lyrics: This is completely dependent on the artist, makes no sense to judge entire genres on it.
Loyalty: Neither one strikes me as the type that inspires take a bullet for you loyalty, except for maybe a few rappers.
Tech: Metal stomps this category
Diversity: Close, but Metal
Influence: Rap
Lyrics: Even. Both sides have Meaningful songs, and songs about arbitrary bs.
Loyalty: Even. Both sides have large hardcore fanbases.
So, I give my vote to metal because of how much more technically demanding Metal is to compose.
Technicality: Metal with ease, they actually HAVE to play instruments. Also I’d like to see ANY rapper pull of www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaSYvvfzYaE or this www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4nCy5CITc8
Diversity: Metal again. It has what, 3,000 different sub-genres. There is no Norwegian Death Rap.
Influence:Metal: many millions of people live and die by ‘the metal’, as opposed to how rap has been influenced by the culture it is in.
Lyrics: Hip-Hop with ease. Hip-Hop can tell a heart-felt story in an entertaining way. Most importantly the music is capable of being quiet enough for you clearly hear what the hell is being said, The proof is in the pudding, so take it away Immortal Technique! www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggxTtnKTMo
Loyalty: Got me there. I’d say hip-hop since I have no knowledge of a hip-hop equivalent to Metallica…
So I think Metal wins… which sucks because I like Hip-Hop more.
Also hopefully inb4 trolls who say ‘hip-hop isn’t music durrrrrrrr’
This is the almost the exact same as Rock&roll VS Hip hop except 1 side has been replaced by a small sub-branch of music, I don’t see the point.
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The questions asked for this match are also to diverse.I found metal to be both the easiest to play on my guitar but it could also be the hardest depending on the band.As for this threads question itselff, you can’t compare hip hop with metal IMO.I listen metal for the intresting riffs and solo’s while hip hop reigns supreme in the rythm and beats part.
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Diversity goes to Metal though.Hiphop lyrics, beats and way of doing all have their differences but I dare anybody to show me a bigger difference when you compare powermetal with deathmetal.
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As for influence, well ignoring the fact metal is still considered a musicstyle that can get your head chopped off in certain country’s it obviously goes to rap.Metal doesn’t influence jackshit outside it’s own little community.Sure it spawned certain clothinglines and specific brands but it is all really small when compared with the sub-culture hip hop has created over the years.
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Lyric’s are also dependant on the band.Some “sing” about useless gibberish like strangling your grandma with a unborn fetus, while others sing about riding dragons on rainbows towards the sun, and others have political meanings.
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I don’t really understand the loyalty part.If by “loyal” you mean they listen to their fans criticism then both rap and metal score high in that area.
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The Hip hop part has already been discussed in the Rock&roll VS Hip hop thread.Plus there are more suitable FPers here who can create a post about Hip hop much better then me anyway.
Hasn’t this been semi-done already…?
www.factpile.com/6851-rock-n-roll-vs-raphip-hop/
Old school/90′s Rap>>>>>>>>Today’s crap.
Technicality: I’m on Metal’s side for this considering rappers aren’t known to play music. Also to boot a lot of popular rap just use samples of previous music.
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Diversity: In pop culture, most rap is about making money, women, or drugs. In that same field, Metal is about dragons, fire, and loudness. On the internet, they’re equal as there are both Nerd Metal and Nerd Rap. So they’re pretty even in my book.
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Influence: I’m going with rap for this because I’ve seen more movie trailers about rapping and dancing to it then Metal.
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Lyrics: They both got their highs and lows. So I’ll call this a tie as well.
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Loyalty: Every fandom are loyal to death of their favorite band/rapper/etc so I’ll give this a tie as well.
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So they’re both the same in my book. Though some related links to fill time: Worst Rap Lyrics of 2011 and a summary of every metal song.
“Old school/90′s Rap>>>>>>>>Today’s crap.”
Somebody doesn’t listen to anyone but Lil Wayne. Check out some Tech N9ne, hell all of Strange Music. Hopsin’s pretty dope. Lupe fiasco is the best mainstream rapper since early Eminem. It’s only bad for super-popular hip-hop because hip-hop is becoming a pop phenomenon, which means that the most popular artists are no longer the best at a budding genre, but the ones who cater the best.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6lVRbmQ0P4
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Metal is divinely inspired from the gods of rock. Rap is the emo-tastic bemoaning of how “bad” life is, even though they aren’t living in a war torn region wrought with drought, disease, famine, natural disasters, man eating predators, rampant rapes, high STD rates, child armies, and religious zealot fascists. Or in shorter terms, africa and/or the middle east. That or it’s about getting laid. But seriously..
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“Technicality: How well the musicians can play and compose music?”
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Metal by a thousand miles. Man-O-War’s 80′s style metal singing for instance is far more demanding than rap’s vocals. Dragonforce is famous because it pushes the limits on wielding the ax.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=15JCb6P60Vw
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“Diversity: How much the style of music varies in the genre?”
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Well, Metal’s got a lot to it, but you’re asking if one style has more variety than two other styles, although I consider Hip Hop a variant of Rap. I think Metal probably has more to it still. From epic ballads to screamo death metal. Much like country, it’s able to adapt to cover an extremely wide area musically, while rap is hard to change up because it is defined by how you sing rather than metal, which is virtually defined by just the instruments and the passion.
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“Influence: How much the music influences culture and other genres of music?”
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Right now I’d say Rap is having more of an impact due to the extreme ease that comes with Rap, anyone can do it, and it takes almost no practice to pick it up, making it very catchy. How much actual influence has it had, though? I don’t think very much. There’s some influential rappers buy because the general feeling in higher society is that rap isn’t taken seriously, it hasn’t got much weight behind it. Metal, on the other hand, has entire sub cultures behind it, while the messages that rap is a vehicle for or the actual “artists” themselves tend to steal the spot light from Rap, again, probably due to the lack of technical skill behind it. I think Metal has more influence due to the culture, where as rap is just an aspect of a culture instead of a culture itself.
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“Lyrics: Which has the better lyrics. Based on how eloquent and meaningful the lyrics are?”
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90% of rap songs are about how many bitches they have. Most Metal songs are tributes to all that is awesome and epic and incredible. While they do range in substance, the most popular of both sides end up being of the shallowest material, usually. Name the last time The Trooper played on the radio, now name the last time Dragula aired. I don’t even have to speak further about Rap.
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“Loyalty: Which side is more loyal to their fans?”
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Most hip hop artists seem loyal only unto themselves and promoting their label. They don’t provide a community and when they’re criticized they start petty fights. Metal provides a community, and the artists so rarely go out of their way to gouge their fans or show a great deal of hypocrisy that when it does happen, such as with Metallica, that it scars their name for the rest of time.
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So we’re back to where we were when Rock curbstomped Rap’s head. Even one school of Rock is a school of too many hard knocks for Rap to pay a visit to.
^—if anyone gets the joke, you earn brownie points.
WHICH OF THE TWO IS STILL PRESSENT IN TODAY’S SOCIETY.
^___Both?
“Rap is the emo-tastic bemoaning of how “bad” life is, even though they aren’t living in a war torn region wrought with drought, disease, famine, natural disasters, man eating predators, rampant rapes, high STD rates, child armies, and religious zealot fascists. Or in shorter terms, africa and/or the middle east. That or it’s about getting laid. But seriously…”
- This is the joke, right? That you’re not actually this disturbingly ignorant about an entire genre of music? It’s not funny either way.
“90% of rap songs are about how many bitches they have. ”
- Someone doesn’t actually listen to rap… of course. YES, popular hip-hop is about garbage like that because almost ALL popular music is about garbage like that.
” I don’t even have to speak further about Rap.”
- Based on what you’ve already said, you had no reason to speak at all.
“So we’re back to where we were when Rock curbstomped Rap’s head. Even one school of Rock is a school of too many hard knocks for Rap to pay a visit to.”
-har har har, I think I get the joke. It’s because of that Jack Black movie, right? Oh, well. Hip-Hop just shoots it up, calls it a day.
“WHICH OF THE TWO IS STILL PRESSENT IN TODAY’S SOCIETY.”
#3 song on the Billboard charts has Wiz Khalifa, number 5 is by Nicki Minaj, 6 by Flo Rida.
I have no clue who any of those people you mentioned in your post are…Fuck I am old
*#3 song on the Billboard charts has Wiz Khalifa, number 5 is by Nicki Minaj, 6 by Flo Rida.*
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Charts don’t mean jackshit and are just flavor of the month.Incase you don’t know, music like blackmetal makes it in the topcharts in Scandinavia sometimes and Amon Amarth, a melodic deathmetal band has been nr2 in the Netherlands for a month straight if you look at the charts.
HipHop/Rap is better than metal
That little bit aside. I can’t possibly choose which is better. I love both genre’s though if given a choice on the matter most of the time I will choose Hip-hop if it’s good hip-hop that is over Metal, but that’s mostly due to the fact that I really only want to listen to metal when I’m in a certain mood, and even then I can’t stand the super load angry snarly stuff, and I’m the same with gangster rap.
“- This is the joke, right? That you’re not actually this disturbingly ignorant about an entire genre of music? It’s not funny either way.”
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If I recall rap’s deepest roots pull in to the racial divide that the USA tends to suffer, and how black folks have suffered because of it. It was a jab at someone who visits this website who once said it’s worse living in the Ghetto than it is to live in Iraq back on the rock vs rap fight. So you could say it’s a bit of a mean joke, yes.
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“- Someone doesn’t actually listen to rap… of course. YES, popular hip-hop is about garbage like that because almost ALL popular music is about garbage like that.”
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Out of all the people I know who listen to rap, I’m usually hard pressed to find anything in their songs that are what you might consider inspiring beyond how much they might be getting laid. The vast majority of rap is about sex. The majority of metal is devoted to violence, and almost all KISS sings about is sex, sure, but it’s just so much better. Even if I don’t really care for KISS.
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“- Based on what you’ve already said, you had no reason to speak at all.”
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Turn on the radio. Go for it. See if I’m wrong.
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“-har har har, I think I get the joke. It’s because of that Jack Black movie, right? Oh, well. Hip-Hop just shoots it up, calls it a day.”
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The School of Hard Knocks by POD is a song which includes both metal/rock and rap. That’s the joke. And now Hip-Hop is a drug addict? Who’s the guy giving in to stereotypes now?
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“WHICH OF THE TWO IS STILL PRESSENT IN TODAY’S SOCIETY.”
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Both? Is this a trick question?
@Sauroposeidon
Deltron 3030 Battlesong
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ShU5APE7wc
This ^ is all scifi, not about whining about one’s life.
May sound like schist to many, but i think it’s amusing, somewhat comical.
“Charts don’t mean jackshit and are just flavor of the month.Incase you don’t know, music like blackmetal makes it in the topcharts in Scandinavia sometimes and Amon Amarth, a melodic deathmetal band has been nr2 in the Netherlands for a month straight if you look at the charts.”
- Yeah but hip-hop songs/guest verses have been a mainstay on the charts for the past few years, meaning that THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENT IN MODERN SOCIETY. Party Rock Anthem was #1 for 6 weeks, and on the chart for 60. It’s a shitty ass rap song saved only by being catchy as all hell, but it’s there.
“Deltron 3030″
-… what is this miracle? MUST PURCHASE!
“This ^ is all scifi, not about whining about one’s life.”
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Better sci-fi rap would be Xenogears: A Hip-Hop Reunion. Not sure if that ever got released though.
This debate is pointless, music varies from artist to artist anyway.
Did you listen sauro?
@timeless
YES YOU MUST PURCHASE (Sorry for multi post)
Or Shudder.. not sure if that counts. Best rap song ever, though, since I was blowing up a giant robot when I heard it.
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Oh and Party Rock Anthem is tied for second longest run in the top 10, with 29 weeks. Also 7 hip-hop songs so far have spent over 10 weeks at #1, out of 28. In other words, 1 out of every 4 songs to spend 10+ weeks at number in the 60+year history of Billboard, is a hip-hop song.
“Did you listen sauro?”
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A little, I didn’t care for it though.
There are others in deltron’s 3030 album (scifi concept album) that i thought were okay, but battlesong was my favorite.
@Timeless
I am tired of party rock existing, it needs to die in a fire
@sauro
Was that youtube link supposed to be rap? Cause all i heard was lame techno-ish game music.
See any thing about “mo money” in here?
No b*tches in this song.
www.lyricstime.com/deltron-3030-battle-song-lyrics.html
“Was that youtube link supposed to be rap? Cause all i heard was lame techno-ish game music.”
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It goes from generic techno to rap around a minute in. I have no idea why. I’m just blowing shit up on this giant robot in Einhander, one of the better Squaresoft games, btw, when all of a sudden there’s “singing.” Only song that does it in the game.
@sauro
Oh, i stopped listening before the singing, how far did you listen into Battlesong? Any other good ones you suggest?
Einhander that game takes me back
I sure hope this becomes like the Rock N Roll vs Rap thread (this thread is basically a copy of it).
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Anyway, in my opinion Metal sucks, it just sucks on so many levels. It’s just a bunch of guys screaming they’re lungs out trying to summon Satan through a microphone.
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With that being said, I love the show Metalpocolypse.
@Nz
Metalpocolypse? Do you mean Metalocolypse?
Yeah, that.
“Oh, i stopped listening before the singing, how far did you listen into Battlesong? Any other good ones you suggest?”
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I skipped in to around 30-40 seconds and listened for around a minute.
“Any other good ones you suggest?”
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Fett’s vette.
@Sauro
UNACCEPTABLE IT’S A STORY, YOU LISTEN FROM BEGINNING!!!
(kidding, not much changes overall)
Sorry for multiple posts (I LIKE TO LURK…)
@ sauro
Hah, i knew that song
MC Chris is great, but recently I fell in love with Kirby Krackle
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Didn’t we do this match already?
Look up MF Doom. Cool if only because of his mask.
*- Yeah but hip-hop songs/guest verses have been a mainstay on the charts for the past few years, meaning that THEY HAVE BEEN PRESENT IN MODERN SOCIETY.*
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Then by that logic so is metal.There is always a metalband or 2 on the top 10 here in Europe.That is more then rap because right now there is no real rap based artist in the top 10 currently.
“Then by that logic so is metal.There is always a metalband or 2 on the top 10 here in Europe.That is more then rap because right now there is no real rap based artist in the top 10 currently.”
Meanwhile, the country that dominates the entertainment industry prefers rap. Not saying it’s better because of it, but it definitely is a part of modern society.
“Meanwhile, the country that dominates the entertainment industry prefers rap. Not saying it’s better because of it, but it definitely is a part of modern society.”
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Doesn’t Europe influence American music more than the other way around?
“Doesn’t Europe influence American music more than the other way around?”
Britain, maybe. The actual EU? Not that much. The point? America is the entertainment juggernaut.
“Britain, maybe. The actual EU? Not that much. The point? America is the entertainment juggernaut.”
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Pretty sure that’s only in movies. The only argument you can make is due to our sheer landmass we have a larger number of people, so somehow this makes us more important than smaller countries..like Germany, who happens to run the EU now..
iron maiden
/thread
“The only argument you can make is due to our sheer landmass we have a larger number of people, so somehow this makes us more important than smaller countries..like Germany, who happens to run the EU now.”
Yes… more people = larger consumer base.
“Yes… more people = larger consumer base.”
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Which makes our choices in music more important than Sweden’s why?
“iron maiden
/thread”
- … uh… Why yes.
“Which makes our choices in music more important than Sweden’s why?”
-When it comes to determining whether a genre of music is prevalent in modern society, yes, our choice in music > Sweden’s.
I see your Deltron 3030-Battlesong and raise you Luca Turrilli-Prophet of the Last Eclipse:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5-fnCW2B9U&feature=related
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Lyrics: www.musicsonglyrics.com/prophet-of-the-last-eclipse-lyrics-luca-turilli.html
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I see your sci-fi battle sequence and raise you the appocolyse via demonic spies from space with tragic romance mixed in it. Of note, this song is merely the conclusion of the tale. The entire album leads up to this doomsday finale.
*Pretty sure that’s only in movies. The only argument you can make is due to our sheer landmass we have a larger number of people, so somehow this makes us more important than smaller countries..like Germany, who happens to run the EU now..*
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If you wanna compare the full bulk of America you should compare it with the full bulk of Europe.In that case Europe has around 700Million people and USA 310 Million people (rough numbers).In that case I can make a deliberately bad argument that Europe is a much larger and more relevant consumer group and that the natives generally don’t like rap.Infact, if you’re caught listening to rap in most eastern european country’s then you’re in for a world full of hurt.The only big thing from the hiphop subculture that has flown over here in Europe is the general dressing style.And even that has been butchered by some horrible mix of emo/gangster style these days.
“iron maiden
/thread”
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Jay-z
/thread
“Didn’t we do this match already?”
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While Metal started out as an offshoot of Rock, in the 80′s it became it’s own genre. At the beginning of the 80′s it was just stuff like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, and Black Sabbath. But by the end of the 80′s there was Death, Thrash, Black, Progressive, and Power Metal was starting.
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I’ll start by putting forth my argument in the technicality section.
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Technicality:
Vocals- Metal has a wide range of vocals used in it. From operatic vocals, to deep growls, to shrill shreiks, even occasionally doing a bit of rapping. Not only do they have a more diverse assortment of styles, but they also have extremely talented vocalists. Whether it is a vocalist that has worked only on one style or a vocalist that does numerous styles. I would like to see any rap artist match what is done at 3:46 www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOjyQ9h1re8 if you didn’t look at that, it was a 28 second scream. Metal also has many classically trained opera singers like Tarja Turunen formerly of Nightwish, Simone Simons of Epica, and Annlouice Loegdlund of DIablo Swing Orchestra. They also have vocalists that do dozens of different vocals styles like Mike Patton and Todd Smith, even a female version with Aspohdel. There are also vocalists that do both harsh and clean vocals, like Mikeal Akerfeldt, Devin Townsend, and Jari Maenpaa all of which also play guitar.
Guitars- Metal has many amazing guitarists. Jari Maenpaa is by far my favorite. With WIntersun he has created many amazing melodies and has some amazing Solos, like the ones on Winter Madness and Battle Against Time. Although Dissection is a Black Metal band, the entire album Storm of Light’s Bane has some of the most beautiful melodies I have ever heard.
Drums- Metal has George Kollias. End of discussion. Metal wins.
Other instruments- Many metal artists use additional instruments in their music. Whether it is through session members or having them as part of the band. Diablo Swing Orchestra has a cello player, a trumpet player, and a trombone player. Many other Avant-Garde Metal artists have big band instruments in their bands. Many Folk Metal bands also have people playing violins or other ‘folkish’ instruments.
I watch FOX news and they tell me the only good music is Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber so neither of these genres are good
@lancer:
Not sure if joking, but lol!
“-When it comes to determining whether a genre of music is prevalent in modern society, yes, our choice in music > Sweden’s.”
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You didn’t actually provide a reason for why.
Diversity:
Not only does Metal has many different sub-genres that are in some way unique, but there is also Avant-Garde Metal. AVM blends different subgenres and even different genres into their music. Some of these different genres include swing, classical, jazz, blues, electronic, industrial, noise, punk, dark cabaret, circus music, ambient, and many other genres. They also make headway into their own genres with bands such as Blut Aus Nord and Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. SGM even has created a few instrument that they use in their music such as the Sledgehammer Dulcimer.
” Tarja Turunen”
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I can’t mention the name Tarja around some people or their mouths go slack jawed.
@originalA
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why would I joke about something like that? FOX news doesn’t lie so why should I?
“I watch FOX news and they tell me the only good music is Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber so neither of these genres are good”
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By Timeless’ logic, this makes both Metal and Rap very terrible music. FOX is watched more than any other cable news network, after all.They are the leading source of “information” around.
Rappers god stomp they out number the Metal 1,000 to 1 a lot of people are rappers not to mention all the resources they have rappers are seen with gold stuff they could easily hire mercenaries to kill the metal team.
“Which makes our choices in music more important than Sweden’s why?”
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Because you target the lowest common denominator first if you want to turn a profit. But it also depends on who buys the most of what. But in the US that doesn’t matter much due to the sheer mass of people.
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Technicality:Metal
Diversity:I’m just going to say Rap since I don’t listen to much metal
Lyrics: Based of composition I’d give it to rap. Based off diversity of subject matter Rap depending on the artist tends to touch more subjects then Metal including drugs, women, violence, betrayal, loyalty, pre-meditated murder, paranoia, terrorism, etc etc. Shit if you go deeper you have Rappers who dabble into occultism and witchcraft like Bone Thugz N Harmony. Meaning is subjective.
Loyalty: Rap by far.
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However I must say I do not enjoy metal that much. Its much to loud and it seems like instrumentally its a competition to see who can strum the guitar the fastest and wildest. Depending on the artist its all over the place as well. I prefer Punk Rock with a Ska transfusion from bands like Sublime(who talk about issues I can relate to). Or I prefer Grudge bands.
“Deltron 3030 Battlesong
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ShU5APE7wc”
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I hate that song and I hate Del Da Funky Homosapien. He’s so corny to me. Especially that album. I prefer my lyrics to be grounded into reality. Like songs from my nigga Kendrick Lamar like ADHD
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Thank you, Captain Obvious.
@ carmine
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kill the metal huh?
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpiKzJpZxak
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/thead
You’re Welcome!
About the Kendrick Lamar song ADHD the whole premise of the song is that Kendrick was raised by Black Panthers and it was a Black Panther belief that all the Black babies born between 84 and 89 were Crack Babies because the Government put crack into their systems. How escapes me right now though. Crazy shit though if your into the whole conspiracy theory thing.
“Diversity:I’m just going to say Rap since I don’t listen to much metal”
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Let me help you then.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA8ADG_ei8U Angle of Repose- Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH6KJEZc3G8 Chapter 1- Blut Aus Nord
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFQeGHs5eg Justice for Saint Mary- Diablo Swing Orchestra
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBDvDBuLKEY Words- Unexpect
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMLXoobDKWs Vampira- Devin Townsend
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MLmdm3nKIs Sacred Worlds- Blind Guardian
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xn3BnYaFSk Thorns of Crimson Death- Dissection
www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4U8bSe0bV8 As he Creates so He Destroys- Nile
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hDs6mCVAKs Panic Attack- Dream Theater
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ28HMJYSMc Fire From the Sky- Skeleton Witch
“Let me help you then.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AA8ADG_ei8U Angle of Repose- Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zH6KJEZc3G8 Chapter 1- Blut Aus Nord
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uFQeGHs5eg Justice for Saint Mary- Diablo Swing Orchestra
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBDvDBuLKEY Words- Unexpect
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMLXoobDKWs Vampira- Devin Townsend
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MLmdm3nKIs Sacred Worlds- Blind Guardian
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xn3BnYaFSk Thorns of Crimson Death- Dissection
www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4U8bSe0bV8 As he Creates so He Destroys- Nile
www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hDs6mCVAKs Panic Attack- Dream Theater
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ28HMJYSMc Fire From the Sky- Skeleton Witch”
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Why post over a half hour of shit though?
“Jay-z
/thread”
- By THAT Logic, Metallica /threads this.
“By Timeless’ logic, this makes both Metal and Rap very terrible music. FOX is watched more than any other cable news network, after all.They are the leading source of “information” around.”
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Well they are an authority.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjq19g6EdSQ this song > Metallica
“Why post over a half hour of shit though?”
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I was just showing how varied metal is. You said you didn’t know much about metal. Each one of those is very distinct. Also, it is almost an hour. I wasn’t expecting you to listen to it all, I was just showing how varied Metal is.
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I’ll explain each one in a single sentence.
Angle of Repose- Ambient insanity with many non-standard metal instruments.
Chapter 1- Ambient in a very heavy and crushing way, scared me motionless first time I heard it.
Justice for Saint Mary- A soft and sweet song that ends by having a dark atmosphere build up then an electronic ending.
Words- Heavy and insane, utterly chaotic.
Vampira- Simplistic but awesome, with a very cheesy video.
Thorns of Crimson Death- Acouctic intro into a Melodic Black Metal song with an emotional guitar solo.
As he Creates So He Destroys- Fast and heavy Tech-Death with amazing technicality from the musicians.
Panic Attack- Straight forward Progressive Metal in Dream Theater’s usual style.
Fire From the Sky- Fast, melodic, and aggressive.
*insert my favorite metal/rap song>your favorite metal/rap song*
/thread and deal with it nerds.
I was hoping that this wouldn’t turn into each side claiming that one song was better than another based on something as subjective as opinion. That is why I had this based on more objective categories.
“I was hoping that this wouldn’t turn into each side claiming that one song was better than another based on something as subjective as opinion. That is why I had this based on more objective categories.”
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Not possible. Especially on the internet.
“Black babies born between 84 and 89 were Crack Babies because the Government put crack into their systems.”
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Thank god I was born in 94
“By Timeless’ logic, this makes both Metal and Rap very terrible music. FOX is watched more than any other cable news network, after all.They are the leading source of “information” around.”
Why? Because I used Billboard, a magazine/webstie who’s primary purpose is to show merely hoe popular something is… as a source to show that something is popular? Popularity is objective, unlike anything to ever get spewed by FOX ‘News’. Don’t insult me with that comparison, I have a fucking brain.
And yes, I am implying that nobody with a functioning brain takes FOX ‘News’ seriously.
Technicality= Rap, rappers lyrics can have a double meaning(kick push)
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influences = rap people lifestyle. Makes them want to better thierselves
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Lyrics= rap agian clever artist can make lyrics that have multiple meanings and yes we have our downfalls(like flocka) but we need music that’s make girls twerk that ass in the club so yeah. So yeah I like flocka and Gucci
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Loyalty = rap
“Technicality= Rap, rappers lyrics can have a double meaning(kick push)”
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You talked about lyrics under technicality, instead of under lyrics.
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“Lyrics= rap agian clever artist can make lyrics that have multiple meanings and yes we have our downfalls(like flocka) but we need music that’s make girls twerk that ass in the club so yeah. So yeah I like flocka and Gucci”
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Metal also has clever artists like Skyclad. Martin Walkier is a genius when it comes to lyrics.
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“Loyalty = rap”
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Mind explaining why? also www.radiometal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/devint.jpg
“Technicality: How well the musicians can play and compose music?”
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Definitely Metal. It’s basically Rock without being that good but it uses plenty more instruments and actual music that synthesized stuff like most Rap pieces. Granted, some of the producers in these rap vids and such are great such as the Neptunes, Dr. Dre and Kanye.
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“Diversity: How much the style of music varies in the genre?”
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Rap by far. While Metal has it’s diversity like Krazy posted, rap is spread out almost entirely when you look past Young Money garbage, Gucci and others but I suppose even they have their place at parties and such. Sure, most people largely think “gangsta life” but it does go all over with many artists.
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Wale. Lupe Fiasco. Jay-Z. Early Nas.(First two albums, maybe Hip Hop is dead( Early Eminem (first three albums). Biggie. 2Pac. Quite a few others out there go across various subjects. Will post examples later.
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“Influence: How much the music influences culture and other genres of music?”
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Hip Hop has influence going into Pop much like old Rock has whereas Metal is still largely confined to it’s own sub-genres.
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“Lyrics: Which has the better lyrics. Based on how eloquent and meaningful the lyrics are?”
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Seems a bit subjective to me but I personally find Hip Hop more meaningful than Metal.
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“Loyalty: Which side is more loyal to their fans?”
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Er… Both can be pretty vicious…
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Personally, I can’t stand most Metal as it’s too loud and their songs are way too long. I love instrumentals and such but I hate the large amount of artists that sound like Christan Bale growling like a dog when he plays Batman. I.E. Their diction doesn’t do it for me.
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I do recognize there is some good Metal out there just like there is plenty of bad Hip Hop out there too. I love Metallica, enjoy some Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and Ozzy but that’s about where it usually ends for me.
“I love instrumentals and such but I hate the large amount of artists that sound like Christan Bale growling like a dog when he plays Batman. I.E. Their diction doesn’t do it for me. ”
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You’re generalizing metal in the same way that people who say all rap is about bitches and drugs generalize rap. There’s plenty of metal out there that isn’t all demonic growling and earsplitting guitar flailing. Hell, nightwish has very few songs like that.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCSj_qUsKlo
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=pckMm9k7cJw&ob=av2e
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLW7wJvdFSI
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb4WcBbJDzI
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First off, hi there, Soldier’s Shadow! Like that = thing you do to separate comments! Mind if I partake?
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“Technicality: How well the musicians can play and compose music?”
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Is it even a question? Sure, hip-hop has some people who can compose a masterful beat, but pretty much the only thing that Metal is known for (that is true) is the insane skills of the guitarists, which demands a lot more. And Kanye just samples anyway.
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“Diversity: How much the style of music varies in the genre?”
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Again, without question, metal. Metal doesn’t have sub-genres so much as it has massive sub-cultures. Meanwhile diversity in rap is merely just there, with a meager number of genres like gangsta rap, pop rap (the most infamous kind, the kind that the ignorant yet hateful throw down and use to say “rap means retards attempting poetry! I’m so clever…”), conscious rap, nerdcore, horrorcore, sci-fi rap (as shown here), and maybe a few I’ve missed. It’s only slightly more diverse than country, not fit to tackle the labyrinthine mass that is metal.
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“Influence: How much the music influences culture and other genres of music?”
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Again, every sub-genre of metal seems to create its own culture, whereas rap is more or less a giant mass of people who all like the same thing. Metal doesn’t really give much to music, but I’ll tell ya what [i]takes[/i] (please work … can someone say how to do italics and bold printing here?) a lot… hip-hop. Every other song is a sample, and yes, even metal isn’t safe. ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0mE7Ve6m30 ) or ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ6xS_qRDmo ) Why so much Ozzy use?
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“Lyrics: Which has the better lyrics. Based on how eloquent and meaningful the lyrics are?”
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Hip-Hop. Again we have an entire [i]popular[/i] genre of nothing but songs with deep meanings (or L.A.S.E.R.S., an example of why popularity makes everything suck, even if I love it), and the entire idea is that it’s all about the lyrics. Hell, we even have our OWN obscure fantasy songs that blend into one large story! ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCgcqRzVuMw )
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“Loyalty: Which side is more loyal to their fans?”
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I’m inclined to leave that one alone, really. Although I will throw out there that a collection of songs that I am supposed to want to hear in its entirety, Death Magnetic is my favorite Metallica album, although Ride the Lightning has the best opening 4 songs in the history of music. Yeah, I went there.
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Ultimately, much like with the ‘Rock’ thread, Hip-Hop’s foe is too large for it to hope to compete.
“I love instrumentals and such but I hate the large amount of artists that sound like Christan Bale growling like a dog when he plays Batman. I.E. Their diction doesn’t do it for me. ”
Uh… Dragonforce…
“Hell, nightwish has very few songs like that.”
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Nightwish is metal?
“First off, hi there, Soldier’s Shadow! Like that = thing you do to separate comments! Mind if I partake? ”
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They’re symbols on your keyboard unless mine’s limited edition so go ahead.
@OrignalA
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Early Nightwish is metal. Also, Power Metal and a lost of Prog Metal has completely clean vocals. Most of what I listen to is a blend between harsh and clean vocals.
both are terrible
@Negative Zero
as one who likes power metal and melodic metal I can tell you that your statement about how metal is about satan worshiping garbage is invalid and go away please your ignorance rots my brain.
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@Laharl-and all other who think either genre is terrible
All music has its merits to different people, which is why the question on the thread wasn’t which was better but which won in different attributes.
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Technicality: To play many variants of metal it takes complete skill, and I’m not talking about guys who just thrum their instruments like in some variants of Death Metal. This is opposed to hip hop and rap where most of the production int the music is done via auto-tune and technology, now if we go with 90′s hip-hop and rap this is a different story , but it also was mostly vocals then.
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Technicality: Victor Metal
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Diversity: Whereas in rap various artists mostly change up the beat and the message the style in many cases is similar, in hip-hop things get a bit more diverse but I think when it comes down to it, the hundreds and even thousands of metal sub-genres take the cake here.
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Diversity: Victor Metal
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Influence: This is a tricky one but I think that hip-hop and rap are a product of the times rather than turning people into hip-hop worshiping faggots. And metal clearly influences behaviors, demeanors, and looks of the people who listen to it.
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Influence: Victor Tie
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Lyrics: With lyrics if you ever listen to metal than you know that some of the lyrics are really awesome, but many are bogged down by the instrumentals. However, rap lyrics are for the most part aren’t too colorful now-a-days except for a few cases as well, and then comes hip-hop which is the tie breaker here in my opinion
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Lyrics: Victor Rap/Hip-Hop
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Loyalty: Honestly, the metal fans that I know are die hard and would argue for metal to a standstill, the best I get from guys who listen to hip-hop or rap is that, “oh, the musics catchy and I like to fit in”, and I’m like -_-….dumbass…., well that’s my two cents. Remember this argument is opinonated to a large degree, so keep the hate to a minimum.
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Loyalty: Metal
Technicality: metal
Diversity: both
Influence: rap/hiphop
Lyrics: both
Loyalty: hmmmm … both
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all i can say
past was best in both genres
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black sabbath, manowar iron maiden
judas priest just to name a few
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tupac shakur, run dmc, grandmaster flash ,snoop dog cypress hill …
it´s personal prefference …
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i can listen to nearly everything except for real hard shit like technotrash gaba or
non-stop-makes-no-sense-screaming metal … … and the likes of justin “mommys boy bieber” … -_-´
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Krazy go to the negi vs Dante thread I responded to your post
“Mind explaining why? also www.radiometal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/devint.jpg”
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Rap fans tend to be more loyal then Metal fans. Remember people have died over this shit literal murder. A Rapper with a large fan base could say fuck a certain city or area and none of his fans would fuck with that place. Case in point East Coast vs West Coast and more recently Texas vs NY.
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“Thank god I was born in 94″
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Young as hell.
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“: Whereas in rap various artists mostly change up the beat and the message the style in many cases is similar, in hip-hop things get a bit more diverse but I think when it comes down to it, the hundreds and even thousands of metal sub-genres take the cake here.”
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Not true. There are different flows and depending on where the music came from it will sound vastly different from other genres. Case in point if you listen to Texas rap mainly Swisha House it will sound vastly different from music made in NY, To solidify this example listen to these 2 songs and say they sound anything alike(mind you the artist is not a Texas artist but this how the music sounds though
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikl3A9puiKI
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That’s how it sounds in Texas and that was back when Drake was a still nice.
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This right here is Nas, Rakim, and KRS One Produced by DJ Premier. Iconic NYC sound
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