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In this battle, can the Death Star keep a quarantine to prevent further infection to the rest of the empire, and keep from being completely taken over by The Thing themselves?
The Thing has infected all of a scouting party that returns to the Death Star undetected.
Starting infection force:
7 Stormtroopers
3 alien members
1 force user
Can the uninfected death star troops find, quarantine,and repeal infection? Or will The Thing assimilate, imitate, and conquer the galaxy from within?
I know im going to catch s#@t for this but
First
can we get specs on the thing?
Thing stomps.
@ Sauro
How will the thing stomp any?
*anyway
Initial bets say this is a toss-up as ever.
Its anyone’s game, depending on who(in which side) does what, 1st.
Does the star wars universe have scanners or something similar to that?
@the 198
I believe they do, question would be this:
Can they operate in the kind of manner required to get rid of the infections via quarentine?
Just watch the movie. It can become any animal it has assimilated before, it’s a hive minded entity with every cell being an individual which will eventually flee for itself. In the story the movie is based on it was a perfect mind reader but in the movie it seems to lack this and seems to just “learn” your personality, ect, when it consumes you. None of the storm troopers will be able to tell it’s not one of them. The Force Sensitive will not be able to detect something is wrong until something bad is happening and the Thing will probably kill him first. It is the Ultimate Life Form.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjIXwkX1e48&feature=fvwrel
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It PERFECTLY looks like the person it copied, and convincingly acts like them.. until it’s in a corner. Then it fucks your day up. They use a flame thrower because SHOOTING THE EVER LIVING HELL OUT OF IT WITH A SHOT GUN just pissed it off earlier.
Yes, they can, It’s the future and they aren’t in Alaska (if I’m not mistaken).
I’m pretty sure that if they find it with the scanners, and they check every crew for it, they could easily get rid of it with the MANY weaponry in the Death Star.
Can’t Jedis detect the thing by using force powers, Darth Vader can help out, the infected Jedi is the only one giving them trouble, so the only thing that the “thing” can do is turn around and infect another less complicated area to infect.
Burning it is the best thing, something Light Sabers and Blaster rifles can do very well.
Um…something tells me that the threat of bad politicians/bad businessmen might rear its ugly hide once more is what my gut says.
I am starting to feel old again!
Do the troopers have anything that can completely destroy it for good?
“Do the troopers have anything that can completely destroy it for good?”
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Nothing legal, no.
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“I’m pretty sure that if they find it with the scanners,”
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Excuse me a second..
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*takes a breath*
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They ain’t finding it if it’s replicating humans. The only way to route it out is to outsmart it.
@Lizard God
Is Sideous even Smart enough to pull that off of his throat?
If not, how fast can he swing his lightsaber up to his neck?
I think the Thing would be easy to detect via a Force User. Doesn’t the Thing work on a microscopic level like the Midi-chlorians that reside in all living beings in the Star Wars Universe? Wouldn’t they notice a lack of Midi-Chlorian influence?
@Judge AkumaTh
Methinks its to hazard a coin toss in asking such a question.
Also did you hear that ScrewAttack.com got shut down?
If Sidious is on the Death Star, he can just destroy it with force storms, or shut it down and leave until he can bring back a Dark Trooper/Chrysalis Beast force to reclaim the Death Star.
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If this is the second Death Star, IG-88 is in the main computer. If IG-88 gets pissed enough at all the stupid biologicals fighting within “his” body, he can just shut off life support and blast everyone through the air-locks.
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That is all assuming competence. If it goes like normal, the Death Star is lost to the Empire, but they can always destroy it the same way the Rebels did, if they have to.
@CC
When did that happen?
@the 198
You mean ScrewAttack.com not being active?
Since a few days ago when I tried to respond back to my PMs!
AkumaTh, I think you figured it out, the thing is more of a microscopic doppelganger, made of cells that mimic others, it replicates and mimic other cells but it is still itself, if the “Thing” does not have midichlorians (which the only cells capable of producing them are the original not the “Thing’s”) then we are dealing with a fake Jedi.
And Sauro, I already watch that movie 2 times on Netflix, they snuffed it out by burning the blood of everybody in the base, and you can kill it with a flamethrower.
The Death Star’s system and technology is more than capable of dealing with this type of things, as soon as they know what’s going on, they will track the infected (including the ones that made a slight contact with them) shut the rooms and trap them, blow it up or storm in them with troopers (they have over thousands, armed with blaster rifles that will fry them to bit’s, then kill every single peace of tissue that’s left, if the troopers and many armaments fail, Darth Vader or Sideous will use force lightning and fry them.
@OMEGAMI
It may be up in the air for how well Vader can hold up Force Lightning, though, given about 90% of his body(at least) is that of a Cyborg and is dependent on tech as a primary means to survive.
His body could consume more electricity than he could out put, but whatever, my first option is more than enough, the second is just if in case, and I think the technology here is very underestimated.
@OMEGAMI
Perhaps, but this regard may be neither here nor there, though.
So basically this depends on who else is on the Deathstar
Vader and Sideous could likely handel this on their own lol.
I think the Death Star has a high chance of making it, thats just me.
Hey I have a fight idea, who wants to hear it.
“Do the troopers have anything that can completely destroy it for good?”
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Thermal Detonators should do the trick. If I’m not mistaken those things vaporize people within the blast radius.
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As for this match though I’m siding with The Thing. As Sauro said the imitation is perfect and nothing short of full incineration will stop the things. Perhaps if they have ship wide scanners they can trap them and blast them out the airlocks. But I don’t know enough about the Death Star to make that call.
Then in that case, if it helps you mindnite, the Death Star isn’t in Alaska (I think I wrong), and it isn’t going up against scientist armed with flamethrowers, it’s in a place where the enemy has full control over it, and like you said, the technology difference here is too much.
I would also like to recall, the fact that it was in an isolated place is also the fact that it couldn’t infect neighbor after neighbor and expand, the DT has a lot of population in it, and they could use the technology to their advantage, it all depends if they get that far before being revealed or detected by a force user. If they manage it and consume almost 1/5th of the DT, it will be too evident as to all the commotion and workers out of place, they will investigate and they will eventually find out whats going on and take action before it’s too late.
That is if Sideous doesn’t detect a disturbance in the force.
If the thing assimilates and replicates its victims on the microscopic level, like cells, I don’t see why it wouldn’t absorb and replicate the midiclorians in his body like everything else. A thing imitation has a person down to that level, don’t see why midiclorians wouldn’t be part of the perfect imitation.
“AkumaTh, I think you figured it out, the thing is more of a microscopic doppelganger, made of cells that mimic others, it replicates and mimic other cells but it is still itself, if the “Thing” does not have midichlorians (which the only cells capable of producing them are the original not the “Thing’s”) then we are dealing with a fake Jedi.
And Sauro, I already watch that movie 2 times on Netflix, they snuffed it out by burning the blood of everybody in the base, and you can kill it with a flamethrower.
The Death Star’s system and technology is more than capable of dealing with this type of things, as soon as they know what’s going on, they will track the infected (including the ones that made a slight contact with them) shut the rooms and trap them, blow it up or storm in them with troopers (they have over thousands, armed with blaster rifles that will fry them to bit’s, then kill every single peace of tissue that’s left, if the troopers and many armaments fail, Darth Vader or Sideous will use force lightning and fry them.”
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I seriously don’t see how they’re going to notice it. They didn’t know Zann was a shape shifter until after she revealed she was in Attack of the Clones, so force-magically-knowing-with-no-clues-what-so-ever is out of the question. The Thing is a perfect mimic until the shit hits the fan.. Then your shit hits the fan because it just turned your large intestines in to the newest Picasso painting on the ceiling. Once it gets a hold of a force user, if you think it’s NOT going to have midichlorians (and no, Jedi don’t constantly scan for them. In fact I’m pretty sure they need machines to check) afterwards then you’re mistaken. Just pray it doesn’t realize “if I devote more mass to these, I can be more powerful!” or everyone everywhere is perma-fucked.. but The Thing is so disgustingly good at what it does that even if it never realized this, the entire Star Wars galaxy is for all intents and purposes fucked for forever anyways.
Wait is this Thing from the movie or the original work, because the mind-reading that Sauro mentioned should really help the Thing out.
@Mad-Eye Morgan
You can say that again.
Not gonna be faulted If I say I’d hope to see Sideous slain by the time the lockdown ends, right?
@Sauro:
Actually, the ending to the Thing was kinda ambiguous if they killed it or not, because a lot of people think Childs at the end when he was talking to MacReady was an imitation. So it may or may not gave survived in the end.
have survived at the end*
@itisburgers:
I was using the Thing from the 1982 film (although I guess I can’t argue too much if people decide to use feats from the 2011 version as well)
But I wasn’t using the novella’s or the 1950′s Thing from another world’s version when I thought this match up.
Won’t Vader notice a force user disappear then reappear moments later? am I wrong?
He might.
Depends on how the force user got taken I think. If the force user was violently taken over, then I think it might leave a disturbance in the force and could be noticable.
However if the force user just got a particle of it introduced to his body, he’d be infected and absorbed from the inside out over a few hours or a day or so, and probably wouldn’t even notice himself, let alone another force user.
Vader: I sense a disturbance in the Force.
Also, just because he detects a disturbance doesn’t mean Vader knows why or what caused it. Just that something happened.
How successful the thing is depends on how far it can spread before Vader or someone else either finds it in mid assimilation, or burns a corpse or something.
Is the thing from the 2011 film different from the 1982 one? And how?
It’s not that different in the general concept, but the 2011 movie was just nowhere near as good and well thought out as John Carpenter’s version.
Overall, IMO, a lot more PIS and CIS (especially on the part of The Thing itself), and overuse of CGI that just doesn’t look as awesome as the practical effects that the 82 version used.
Also, the tone and theme went from the 1982 version, which scared you with the paranoia, claustrophobia, and a very real sense of not knowing who was infected and who wasn’t. The ending was also very ambiguous, and was nihilistic.
The 2011 movie was a bunch of bad cheap scares, and went for scares instead of suspense, action instead of plot. So, just the 2011 movie sucked.
The use of CGI allowed the Thing to be a lot more physical when it did come out and fight I guess, quicker, faster, blah blah blah. But it wasn’t scary. The 1982 version was smarter. It waited. It was patient. It had plans and traps. It was scary.
@ tech/mana
so the 2011 one is hyperactive and impatient while the 82 one is cold and calculating
U make it sound like zombie speed like old ones were slow while the current ones are fast
@the 198
Isn’t the 2011 movie a prequel to the 82 one, though?
@CC: It is. By the end of the 2011 one, we see the Ice Camp of the 82 one.
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In fact, that shows how it evolves from a mindless beast to a calculated monster.
@commander
I have no idea tech/mana apparently knows =P
The speed thing for the thing is more of a function of the limits of special effects for the time. Obviously, difference between practical effects and CGI.
I’m saying the 1982 version acted much smarter in the movie than its 2011 counterpart. Mostly because they were so set on showing off the CGI they forgot about what made the 1982 version scary in the first place. It happens a lot these days in movies. Star Wars movies are another good example.
@Judge AkumaTh
Not too shabby at all in retrospect, then.
Sorry I couldn’t speak with you back at the Screwattack site, actually.
@tech/mana
lol don’t bring up star wars and CGI u might cause a riot
IMO, movies these days (especially horror films) have forgotten how to be subtle.
Anyway, if we are talking about how smart the Thing can be, it tried making a spaceship out of broken helicopter parts to escape. That is pretty impressive.
@Tech/Mana
They seem to also forget about how to be shocking as well!
Also, I think the thing by its very nature has to be at least as intelligent as the organism it imitates. And seeing as it started constructing a spaceship no one earth would know how to build while imitating a person, is say its intellect is way superior to what it imitates. So, its hard for me to buy it as a mindless beast.
@CCross: That too.
I says at the top “John Carpenter’s The Thing” that’s the one we are using.
Tech/Mana, Given the amount of resources the DT holds, it can make whatever necessary out of it.
Although he doesn’t need to, most of what he needs has being already made.
@omegami: DT?
DT=Death Star
What did you think it was, Devil Trigger?
One question, should I consider the “Thing” an “It” or is it safe to go be “he”.
@OMEGAMI
Initial bets say that your question is loaded, care to toss that coin?
Meantime, wasn’t the story of The Thing continued in that old video game that took place some time after the 1982 classic?
The thing should be an ‘it’
I was thinking death star would be DS. I was thinking dark something
@CC: I think so, but I don’t really count it.
“DT=Death Star”
why?
wouldnt DS= death star?
“One question, should I consider the “Thing” an “It” or is it safe to go be “he”.”
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The question is.. malformed? The individual cells are clearly its, but the mimicked form is whatever it is trying to copy.
@CC
Don’t bring the game into this it destroys the 1982 movies mythos man
its also a god awful pics of crap
@the 198
Didn’t mean any harm by it, actually.
I would need sensor feats for SW on that level.
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Also! Aren’t Midichlorians still a type of cell…? Or at least a living entity? ’cause the Thing could either duplicate them. Or at the very least as it basically consumes the thing it replicates it would already have them (and the original person’s knowledge) in their body.
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Either way we’d have alien force users that would theoretically know how to mask their presence to other force users.
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So, once again… Sensor feats for SW?
@CC
It’s all good but the game is just plain horrible
Gawd, that video game…
@Master Sarge
You too had bad memories about it?
Did The Thing get nerfed In-lore in that game?
@cide
I thought there was a discussion on that for the flood,zerg,tyranids vs Ge,IOM,unsc thread
@CIDE
Far as I know, the Empire had sensors on their SDs that differentiated life forms from machinery. Not quite certain that they scoped out Aliens or not though.
@CC
Look up a LP of it man u’ll know wats up
“@cide
I thought there was a discussion on that for the flood,zerg,tyranids vs Ge,IOM,unsc thread”
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I don’t know. Force users could at least get infested at the very least. I don’t think the method used by Flood could capitalize on force users at all. Meanwhile, Zerg infestation should.
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“@CIDE
Far as I know, the Empire had sensors on their SDs that differentiated life forms from machinery. Not quite certain that they scoped out Aliens or not though.”
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That would be the deciding factor. Even then I’d kind of want to see feats of it detecting something as crazy too. Or at least a method on HOW it differentiates between different races.
@the 198
Where can I find that Let’s play though?
@CC
YouTube most likely, and this guy called the spoony one talks about it
@the 198
I’ll go look it up sometime, hope the vid list isn’t false-flagged!
@CC
I don’t think it is but if it is look up the “the spoony ones” videos he’s pretty funny
@the 198
Will consider it.
Well you are right, I sometimes face palm at what I do.
@OMEGAMI
How so?
@CIDE: The midichlorians are part of living things and allows organisms to be with the Force in the SW universe, so I’d imagine they’d be absorbed and imitated just like everything else who possesses them.
As far as sensors go, The Thing copys it’s victim down to the cells looking like perfect imitations. (A actual cell and a cell imitation look the same under a microscope at least)
The imitation would still be a living organism, so it’d still pop up as alive. And it would need to do more than a human/alien check, there are plenty of aliens that could be there for sure. It’d need to determine if that person is really that person, and not an imitation.
I’d be hard pressed to see them field a sensor that digs that far. I think they would eventually start devising and performing tests (if the Thing doesn’t sabotage the means to do so like in the movie.)
It’d be scary, a imitation that can artificially flood it’s body with midi-chlorians to boost it’s force prowess, and have the knowlage of the force user to wield it. One of those nightmares also tossing out force lighting and jedi mind tricks. Bad day for the Emperor.
Vader solos herp derp
In all seriousness would storm trooper armor withstand the infection?
@198: As far as in a straight up fight, I suppose the armor could withstand the blunt force and stabbing attacks an exposed thing would have, and prevent infection by not allowing physcial contact and fluid transfer, but that’s not a for sure thing. However, it’d probably give a reasonable level of protection as long as they don’t fall into it’s mouth or something.
I’d imagine most people would become infected while they were off duty, or while sleeping. The Thing would attack when they are alone and vulnerable in their quarters or something, especially if they thought it was a friend or something.
The thing stabs people in the back. It sneaks, waits for that opportunity to strike, and I’m sure total consumption would be faster for infection, all it would actually need to do is just put a drop of it’s fluids into that person’s mouth or nose to infect them.
Or, it could try to infect the food and water supplies on the DS, and infect a whole lotta troops that way.
@tech/mana
What about dark troopers aren’t they like half Cyborg or something? Can they resist the change?
@198:
I figure if they become infected, it’d just take over only the organic parts of the Dark Troopers, so afterwards, it’d be directing the organic part of the the dark trooper, and by extension, the robotic parts too.
@Tech/Mana
You mean that the guys who’d deadlock most variants of the ‘basic’ 40K Space Marine or the Starcraft Terran Marines mono-a-mono can get controlled?
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Not good!
@CC
I take offence that a Space Marine is lumped in with a Terran Marine. Extreme offence.
I also dislike the fact that you are suggesting the fact that a Dark Trooper can deadlock His Angels of Death!
HERESY *BLAM*
@Commander Cross:
They still are made of flesh, blood, and cells. They wouldn’t have a way to fight the Thing cells from taking them over cell by cell. They might not even know that they are being taken over and are dying on the inside. Just eat a meal that happened to be contaminated with a bit of Thing fluids, go to sleep, wake up an imitation.
@tech/mana
Well that sucks I guess
@198:
You wouldn’t fight the Thing like it’s got troops that are going to get into a gun fight or something with yours. It’d be like fighting a disease. You’d have to shut everything up, quarantine, decontaminate, and test to see who’s who. Only problem is that the Thing imitation can thing and try to sabotage your efforts. So, it’d be very little fighting direct mano-a-mano, it would be like some weird combination of routing out a disease infecting your soliders, and figuring out who are spys and terrorists. You’d be using battle plans for those things, not as if your fighting some invasion force you could see.
@tech/mana
I want to say something about bacta but I don’t think it would be that helpful for the crew of the DS
I dunno. It’d be a different kind of fight for these guys. That’s why I posted this fight.
@Maelstrom
I only meant mono-a-mono, no harm no foul honest, otherwise it means Balefire is up and I’d rather not kill anyone with Magic, honest.
@CC
Ur not nearly down enough =P
@the 198
What’s that supposed to mean?
Also, so far the Thing seems to be winning, right?
@CC
Means ur not willing to zap someone with magic haha
And it seems that way. May have to wait for more people to comment
I was thinking we’d get a bigger group of star wars support to argue for them. I was kinda depending on a L-W type to argue it out for star wars. EU hasn’t even been mentioned or anything that’d support the ds
@Tech/Mana
Like L-W but less impulsed to make like Dr. House in general, right?
@the 198
Fair enough, and let’s just say I had my fair share of bad experiences, alright?
“sure total consumption would be faster for infection, all it would actually need to do is just put a drop of it’s fluids into that person’s mouth or nose to infect them.”
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It does not infect, it consumes. It can only be what it has the mass to become, which is why it splits in to different individuals. It can’t effectively copy a person if it has the mass of two or three people. The person would quickly begin to feel the effects of being assimilated from with in because it’s not taking them over, instead it is literally eating them from the inside out. Killing and consuming the victim would be much faster.
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“@198: As far as in a straight up fight, I suppose the armor could withstand the blunt force and stabbing attacks an exposed thing would have, ”
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The Thing would likely transform in to an animal strong enough to break through Storm Trooper armor, and it would have no qualms about this being an unusual animal to see on the death star (if any are on it at all). If it has access to weapons it will probably just use the weapon available. The Thing is smart enough to build space craft, after all.
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“@198:
I figure if they become infected, it’d just take over only the organic parts of the Dark Troopers, so afterwards, it’d be directing the organic part of the the dark trooper, and by extension, the robotic parts too.”
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Just to clarify again, it doesn’t infect, it assimilates and replicates. It would eat out the organic parts, then replace them.
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“Also, so far the Thing seems to be winning, right?”
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Massively, yes.
Tech/mana
That why I’ve been asking about the armor and bacta because it has improved 137 years aby
“I was thinking we’d get a bigger group of star wars support to argue for them. I was kinda depending on a L-W type to argue it out for star wars. EU hasn’t even been mentioned or anything that’d support the ds”
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SW doesn’t have the support it used to. The few big SW fans here I think feel like SW gets persecuted as being the punching bag just to show how strong something else is… So to not give this other thing any more support than its already getting they just don’t bother making any arguments. Beyond this, L-W tended to just throw a ton of random shit and he hoped some of it would stick. If someone made counter arguments he just fell in to insults.. you should hope we don’t get a new L-W.
@Sauro:
The thing infects. It doesn’t need it’s starting mass to be that of which it imitates. I think it’s faster for it, but take a look at what happened with Bennings. He only got whatever little bit wasn’t burnt up and killed.
Also, Fuchs in the movie addressed that key concern in Blair’s notes, that only a small particle of the thing was necessary to take over the entire organism. It doesn’t need to stick around and actually absorb the victim like it was eating it. It just needs to get a fluid exchange to start the process. Windows would be another good example. The thing bites his head, pumps some fluids into him, and tosses him to the side. It gets burned, but Windows starts making unnatural gurgling sounds, and starts moving around again. It just needed to inject some of it’s fluids into him to start the process, and the more that it puts into a person, the quicker the process is.
It doesn’t need to merge into one large organism if it doesn’t want to. It can just infect a person and then have two agents to carry on it’s plans.
@Lizard God
I was trying to help out the Star Wars fandom’s factpile branch, except for some reason or another I feel I get poorly repaid for my efforts in outright disrespect, these days.
Man I feel like an old man who’s been through all kinds of hell itself, lately.