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We have:
Zerg from the Starcraft universe- Post Wings-of-Liberty in terms of available GROUND units, no air units and no Hydralisks today.
Nicol Bolas from the Magic: the Gathering Multiverse – Pre-Mending power levels, but able to be killed, because immortality isn’t exactly fair.
Medivh from the Warcraft universe – As powerful as he was when he opened the Dark Portal.
Kharn the Betrayer from Warhammer 40k – Current incarnation unless he’s dead or severely weakened.
Kratos – God of War 3 weapons and ALL magic.
Setting: We have a planet 100X larger than Earth, with a Mars-like terrain, a crust of nothing but resources for the Zerg, and several bases for the “heroes” to gather (unlimited) sustenance.
90% of the planet has been under Zerg control for one year, and Nicol Bolas is the one controlling the Zerg Hive Mind, and he is situated on the exact opposite coordinates from where the trio begins. Our heroes start out in an oasis 100 miles from Zerg turf in any direction.
Rules: Nicol Bolas has an army of Zerg at his disposal to try and kill this trio, who have to purge the planet of the Zerg presence. Trick is, the way that Nicol has linked himself to the Hive Mind assures its destruction if he were to die, so the three warriors here have to fight their way through the swarm and kill the Planeswalker to achieve victory.
What would happen?
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ALL of the Zerg? Seems excessive.
Team 2 has some retty heavy hitters though/
Lets see what others have to say first….
Wow, this is interesting. Very interesting.
nicol bolas solos
Nicol Bolas the Planeswalking reality bending sorcerer Dragon? Interesting… Planewalkers have some truly ludicrous levels of power. That said, Medivh is pretty up there as well. A curious battle I’ll be watching closely. Hope it takes off.
“Nicol Bolas the Planeswalking reality bending sorcerer Elder Dragon?”
fix’d
Touche
“and several bases for the “heroes” to gather (unlimited) sustenance”
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*Unleashes Fanboy*
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KHARN DOES NOT REQUIRE SUSTENANCE! WAR IS HIS SUSTENANCE!!!!
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*Puts fanboy back in check.*
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Ok ok… I’m better now… although I’m not entirely wrong…. hell he could just eat some dead Zerg when he actually needs to eat in half a year….
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Not quite sure he’ll be a very good team player for reaching “victory”, good for distracting the Zerg I would think though….
lol its funny how kratos has become a joke now. smh
@Chuck
I gave him a chance at redemption in an award worthy match that still isn’t completely decided though majority says Dresden beats Kratos, but still. We actually mostly calculated many of Kratos feats to decide how powerful he may or may not be and how durable
Not trying to complain or anything, but there is been A LOT of star craft v.s warhammer 40k battles lately :]
On Topic: I’m going with team 1, kharn is overrated :] and team 2 will eventually get overwhelmed.
There have been.
I think team 2 may get overwhelmed according Assassin Kharn is not a team player, and Kratos isn’t much for working in tandem other than with his brother that one time. not sure about the other guy.
Team 2 have lone wolf personalities that would be their downfall, since naturally they go solo.
“On Topic: I’m going with team 1, kharn is overrated :] ”
Oh, it’s on now!
…I mean, he is, by far, here and through the net (its bizarre how much exposure this single character from one of eight varied races gets considering his only noteworthy accomplishment on a historical level is sundering his *own* legion, and beyond that… Well, we’ll see after the next Black library Book. That said, he’s still very good at mindless slaughter.
Thing is.. Three people against Nicol Bolas is a push. Adding the Zerg is just mental.
I dunno, I think he can work with allies, he just turns on them once there’s nobody left to fight.
I dunno, I think he can work with allies, he just turns on them once there’s nobody left to fight.
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Thing is when one of them screws up it’s likely he won’t help them or he’d go kill the guy off.
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…I mean, he is, by far, here and through the net (its bizarre how much exposure this single character from one of eight varied races gets considering his only noteworthy accomplishment on a historical level is sundering his *own* legion, and beyond that… Well, we’ll see after the next Black library Book. That said, he’s still very good at mindless slaughter.
Thing is.. Three people against Nicol Bolas is a push. Adding the Zerg is just mental.
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He’s over wanked he kills alot blah blah blah OMGZ! he’s a realitywarpingbustinggofofsoloeveryonedathstomperuber1117! pssh their are other people who are more bad ass than Kharn, the guys over rated at best he’ll be mid-high tier in the marvel verse.
We are to blame, Carmine. It’s us who keeps suggesting fights with gamesworkshop related materials involved. Want less 40k vs SC? Begin suggesting other matches.
“Well, we’ll see after the next Black library Book.”
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Oh I can’t wait for that… (I’m happy to finally own one of Kharn’s short stories in a hard copy though, my collection just seemed a lot emptier without at least one of them before…..)
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Though I like the idea this new book presents that he has a little bit more going for him than just kill everyone in sight… At least he’s not a bloodcrazed moron right?
@Sauro
I’m not upset with you…well maybe a little XD, I try suggesting matches but most of them people know very little info on and I guess that’s why they don’t get posted.
Kratos is still unlikely to want to work with them, he’d probably use them as human shields so to speak
Mid-high tier in Marvel? In my eye’s he’s mid table at best, and that’s if anyone ever persuades me that his one canon showing of a soul-drinking daemon weapon counts.
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Overwanked? he’s lost the last five matches he’s been in, through not easily I’ll admit, because when people vote due to preference of a character rather than actual ability I tend to jump to the defence (See Superman vs Goku, Twilight Versus Kratos etc etc)
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That said, how this match goes mostly comes down to Medivh. Nicol Bolas is ludicrously powerful magically, with his fair share of mind control and sheer damage, and this matc will hinge on whether these three can survive long enough to get to him and the pull off what its taken three planewalkers and another Elder Dragon to do in the past and actually stop him.
Kratos is the new Master Chief.
Didn’t Nico Bolas solo the Final Fantasy verse…? If so, match over.
I thought someone said Rorschach was the new Master Chief? And depending on what happens with Dresden vs Kratos we may want to say six in a row losses for Kratos in the solo duel arena
“Didn’t Nico Bolas solo the Final Fantasy verse…?”
I believe so.
so chances of team 2 winning?
Team 1 for fact pile award cause they have the new jersey devil on their side 8)
“Nicol Bolas is ludicrously powerful magically, with his fair share of mind control and sheer damage”
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Won’t we have to get into the whole elemental compatability thing to see how effective his attacks will actually be against Kharn? If he’s mostly a magic using guy that is… I wouldn’t know…
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“Mid-high tier in Marvel? In my eye’s he’s mid table at best, and that’s if anyone ever persuades me that his one canon showing of a soul-drinking daemon weapon counts.”
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I think even with that it might be a little generous….
“Setting: We have a planet 100X larger than Earth, with a Mars-like terrain,”
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modern real-verse mars, or another?
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a planet that big would have a gravity proportional, so i dont know how zerg or the mage would hold up, i presume Kahrn would be fine in gravity like that.
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dont know enough about kratos to say, but i dont think he could move, even if he doesnt die.
“so chances of team 2 winning?”
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Zip if Nicol curbstomped Final Fantasy on his lonesome.
Kharn, medium level in MARVEL?
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Nope.
So does this count as Kratos seventh loss, majority says he loses to Dresden for various calculated out reasons (Volcano feat is not fire resistance, no defense against increasing gravity, no defense against having heat removed from him. and the volcano feat was calculated out, far from impressive enough to prove fire resistance)
@Mess
oh this is why you asked that, since neutral battlefield I’d assume the gravity is capable of being totally neutral.
ah, okay.
One hundred times planet Earth…? Still practicing physics don’t mind me:
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5.9742 × 10^24 kilograms is Earth’s mass, multiply that by 10^2 and you have 5.9742 x 10^26
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The gravitational constant is: 6.67300 × 10^-11 m^3 kg^-1 s^-2
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100 times radius of earth (6378.10 kilometers) is 637,810 kilometers
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Since Kratos is in this match, I will use the approximate assumed mass given in “Dresden vs Kratos”, 300 lbs or 136.077711 kilograms.
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The equation for gravitational force between two objects is: F= G(m1m2/r^2)
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Plugging everything in: F= 6.67300 × 10^-11 m^3 kg^-1 s^-2 x ((5.9742 x 10^26 kg) x (136.077711 kg))/(637,810 kilometers)
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8.50543546 × 10^9 joules is what Google Calculator gives me, assuming I have all that correct. Feel free to tell me I’m an idiot and I have that wrong.
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So Kratos, and assumably others as well, would be smashed just by being there, unless feats can be provided.
Actually it’d be better if someone could prove me wrong there. Damn finals…
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I know we want to apply physics to it but I don’t think we can with this match because of the fact that for sure one of the competitors if not more can’t survive based on that fact. Neutral Battlefield should mean they are all able to survive.
I’d offer counter calcs but…I’m not good with math. I can do it if I have no choice and its mostly simple but more oft than not I can’t.
That’s alright.
So can we assume one G on this planet?
Lets assume normal gravity. We have at least two reality benders, one future god-of-war and one mortal instrument of a Gods wrath. Its not unreasonable to assume that the environment isn’t a massive concern.
sounds like it would be fair
I’ll throw a feat for Kratos onto the table, since he’s fresh on my mind:
–Survived a .05 ton of TNT of force from the Minoan Eruption
“1/2 (136.077711 kilograms)(1,670.79864 m/s) = 189,935,098 joules.” –Dr. Doctor, “Kratos vs Harry Dresden, Post # 828
though from what was said earlier on there’s still the matter of being outnumbered and probably splitting up to try three pronged pincer style attack on Nicol, thats their most likely move knowing Kratos and from what was said of Kharn.
Any feats for outnumbered battles our characters have come out of? Does gameplay count, here?
not sure of any we can list safely without it possibly being PIS or CIS
Well Kharn’s only real combat feats at the moment come from “Wrath of Kharn”, which I’ve spent most of my debating career disagreeing with. That said, i can post up a few quotes if you’d like :p
can’t hurt I guess, anything that would make it not a stomp for team one if what the people who say it is say is true.
“I thought someone said Rorschach was the new Master Chief?”
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No rorschach is just shit tier along with solid snake
@Chuck
okay, like I said I gave him a chance in the Dresden fight. speaking of which not to spam but anyone who hasn’t voted mind looking over the Dresden vs Kratos match and voting, majority is for Dresden right now.
[url=http://www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1802]Kharns Respect thread[/url]
www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1802 < Kharns respect thread (last post doesn't seem to have come out)
Would post-mending Bolas be a fairer fight?
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Also, with the knowledge rule, and enough time to think about it (100 miles from all zerg forces), the’ll stick together. Kharn just wants to fight, after all, so he shouldn’t mind being told to go fight in this particular direction. Kratos is a renowned follower, and Medivh can easily convince him that the three vs. billions is better than 1 vs. billions. Or hell, they could just follow Kratos.
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About them fighting the Zerg… I think Kratos won’t make it, but that’s it.
they could say Nicol is Zeus in disguise lol
“they could say Nicol is Zeus in disguise lol”
Honestly… they probably would.
Kharn and Medivh planing strategy
Medivh: So how do we get the blood thirsty psycho to work with us.
Kharn: watch this, hey Kratos just found out through the god grape vine, Nicol is Zeus in disguise.
Kratos: ZEEEEEEEEEEUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!! YOU WILL NOT ESCAPE MY VENGANCE THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *charges into the area with the most Zerg between him and Nicol and starts screaming and killing*
Medivh: wow, that was easy, so should we help him.
Kharn: lets wait and see how far he gets before he needs help
(Don’t know the characters other than Kratos so I went for comedy)
Because I don’t feel like trawling through 900 posts, can someone summarize what was found in Kratos vs Dresden? Like speed, strength, reactions, durability, etc.
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Currently going with team 1. Kharn and Kratos can take the entirety of the zerg swarm and Nicol Bolas is a MTG top tier.
^that should be Kharn and Kratos CAN’T take the entirety of the zerg swarm.
I’ll post a catch-up of everything I remember of significance in KvHD.
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For Medivh feats, see this thread – www.factpile.com/2178-ctf-fantasy-match/
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He’s likely the best equipped to take on Nicol Bolas.
Over 9000 power levels!
“For Medivh feats, see this thread – www.factpile.com/2178-ctf-fantasy-match/
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He’s likely the best equipped to take on Nicol Bolas.”
Yeah he’s pretty much the fairest matchup I could think of.
Here’s the quote.
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“He is the most powerful mortal spell caster to ever walk the face of Azeroth. He is so powerful, that Deathwing stated that he would never willingly face him in combat. Who’s Deathwing you ask? The avatar of the earth gone mad. He decided that his black dragon flight was superior to all other life and would scour it from the face of the world. His power began to boil through his skin, so he had adamantium plates bolted to the surface of his entire skin. He commands the very land itself, capable of rising volcanoes or splitting the land. Oh yeah, and his breath weapon is molton magma. And even this, the most powerful fantasy dragon I have ever seen, is intimidated by a mortal spell caster. He is the last and most powerful Gaurdian of Trisfal. The Gaurdian’s of Trisfal are a line of people who swore their linage to guard against the demonic threats of the world, and were empowered by the most powerful human and elvish sorcerers of Dalaran at the Gaurdian’s conception. His mother, Aegwynn single handedly destroyed an entire invasion of the Burning Legion, including the Avatar of Sargares himself. Medivh is stronger then his mother, and was possessed by the Spirit of Sargares at a young age. Medivh then has feats such as bringing the Orcs to Azeroth, destroying a Dragon from the inside out with a single spell (a blue dragon none the less, the masters of magic) and defeating his own mother when she confronted him about his growing insanity. After he was killed by his own apprentice/best friend, Sargares was banished but his spirit was able to escape, giving him a chance at redemption. He took the role of a prophet and guided the mortal races to a defeating the Burning Legion. Without his help, Azeroth would have been overrun.”
Oddly enough, though, Jwlynas… Nicol Bolas is a more powerful dragon than Deathwing.
one of these things is not like the other…
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seriously, what is kratos and the zerg even doing here? Kratos will probably take down a bunch of zerg and then lose, and then the zerg die.
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It seems the zerg are now the bubblewrap of factpile matches.
@Gualte
Are you new here, for one thing?
For another, Zerg = Bubblewrap?
“Oddly enough, though, Jwlynas… Nicol Bolas is a more powerful dragon than Deathwing.”
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Don’t have to tell me twice, I’ve played Archenemy on Duel of the Planeswalkers. Seriously, Screw that guy…
“Don’t have to tell me twice, I’ve played Archenemy on Duel of the Planeswalkers. Seriously, Screw that guy…”
Well I play the real card game, and let me tell ya… SINGLE-HANDEDLY WINS GAMES AGAINST SUPERIOR DECKS.
“seriously, what is kratos and the zerg even doing here? Kratos will probably take down a bunch of zerg and then lose, and then the zerg die.”
This is not a fight as much as it is a scenario. The Zerg get a huge, resource-heavy planet and one year to entrench itself, along with an uber-powerful leader. The cost is the loss of any unfair range (flyers and hydras), and a way for all the Zerg to die (Nicol Bolas cares not for his minions anyway). Team two gets two awesome (not in the “dude, bro” sense, I mean the ACTUAL DEFINITION) warriors to, more or less, escort an uber-powerful mage to kill the enemy leader, while said mage is like an artillery piece. And no, your fight summary which forgets 3 of the 5 combatants is stupid.
“And no, your fight summary which forgets 3 of the 5 combatants is stupid.”
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I just mentioned them because they’re not even close to in the same league as the other combatants here.
Nicol Bolas soloed FF-verse, he owns single handedly
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Kharn and Kratos (the tough boys) take out tons of Zergs before going down
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Don’t know the other guy in Team 2
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“So does this count as Kratos seventh loss”
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No its his sixth loss in a row
@Stealth
Don’t forget majority says he loses to Dresden too
@Guardian
Hence why I said his sixth
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But Kharn and Kratos (brutal berserker boyz) take down tons of Zergs before going down tho
“Don’t know the other guy in Team 2″
Yeah… he’s the match…
Unless Mage dude in side B has enough to pack in, this is gonna hurt either way, isn’t it?
‘Mage Dude from Team 2′ is the most powerful mage in the warcraft universe, and he’s ALSO possessed by Sargeras, the member of the most powerful race in the Warcraft universe who was specifically chosen to do all of the fighting… He’s no pushover.
Medivh can open portals. He’s the one who let the Orcs into Azeroth.
Thing is, most of his feats are in the books, I’ve never read any, and so I’m going by what I saw in Warcraft 3.
@Stealth
I thought he had five losses and that Dresden was his sixth loss
“I thought he had five losses and that Dresden was his sixth loss”
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He Dresden is his fifth
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He already lost to Sephiroth, Skarbrand, Pit and Spawn before then
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Anyways, having breifly checked the Nicol Bolas vs FF thread, the OP says that Nicol Bolas is a multiversal threat
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If thats true, I don’t see Team 2 winning this. They could defeat alot of Zergs (any one of the three, especially Kharn and Kratos, could take down tons od Zerg by themselves before going down) before they go down tho
Btw, that pic of Kharn has been used for Darth Nihilus vs Kharn
I see no reason to believe why the two brutes, with the support of one of the most powerful anythings I know of, couldn’t get to Bolas… at all…
They still have to take him down tho and Nicol soloed Final Fantasy and hes a multiversal threat and as such their chances of taking him down are fairly low
“he’s lost the last five matches he’s been in”
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Not exactly. Pitt vs Kharn was unresolved, but in Kharns favor due to lack of feats for Pitt, Kharn beat Nihilus, he lost to Boba and Samus (then again the scenario was retarded) and Killy (spite thread), not sure about War and Kratos tho
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Thats 2 he won, 2 he lost and 1 im not sure of
“They still have to take him down tho and Nicol soloed Final Fantasy and hes a multiversal threat and as such their chances of taking him down are fairly low”
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No. He didn’t solo final fantasy.
“No. He didn’t solo final fantasy.”
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I thought he did. Oh well. The multiversal threat thing still stands from what I read on the OP of that thread
“They still have to take him down tho and Nicol soloed Final Fantasy and hes a multiversal threat and as such their chances of taking him down are fairly low”
I have no doubt that Medivh could solo the FF verse as well… maybe it’s spite for the FF universe since everything that bears it’s name or is inspired by it in any way is a steaming pile of overrated shit that’s destroyed every industry it touches, while Warcraft 3 is my third favorite game ever and the Warcraft universe has the most interesting lore I’ve ever read…. or maybe Medivh is that good. Probably the second. Also just because Bolas beat ‘a’ in scenario ‘b’, doesn’t mean he’ll beat ‘x’ in scenario ‘y’.
@Stealth
don’t you mean Kratos? and Pit won that it was said I thought.
@Guardian
Not I don’t mean Pit vs Kratos. Pitt (Image Comics and theres 2 t’s in Pitt) vs Kharn. Its in Kharns favor because Pitt is lacking in feats
oh okay, I was talking about Kratos though, his match vs Pit was loss four then Spawn was five. Dresden looks like it will be six at this point. and this would be seven.
Bolas plays bridge from below all his zerg get back up as zombies until someone on team 2 dies
gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=136054&type=card
could just blow up there oasis
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Jwlynas said Kharn lost his last 5 matches and I was correcting him
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As for Kratos, Sephiroth was loss 1, Skarbrand was 2, Pit was 3, Spawn was 4 and if Dresden beats Kratos it’ll be 5
@Stealth
oh okay my bad.
@itsburgers
You’re talking about the actual fight, you have no purpose here. #sarcasm
“could just blow up there oasis”
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It says can’t be countered and that it destroys artifacts, creatures and lands.
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“http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=136054&type=card”
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Well that just means the Zerg keep coming back to harass Team 2 over and over again
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Also my research (on the Nicol vs FF thread) says hes capable of universe+ levels of chronomanipulation (meaning he can stop time on said level and thus Team 2 with it) and hes capable of draining multiple universes of magic simultaneously and he has universal destructive capacity. Could be wrong, but thats what the OP on the Nicol vs FF match said
bolas casts hex killing all three at once with three kills to spare
gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?multiverseid=247382&type=card
@fallstar
I’m classifying Team 2 as planewalkers. They’re safe. Next please.
“I’m classifying Team 2 as planewalkers.”
what is thier life then
give me a number and ill wipe it out
“what is thier life then
give me a number and ill wipe it out”
Ugh, this is the problem with MTG debates… Damnation and spells like it are bullshit. If they wren’t, Liliana Vess could solo all of everything ever to exist ever. WE ARE NOT USING F***ING GAME MECHANICS.
i know i was jokeing.
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its been a while
are plansewalkers considered permanents?
Nicol’s magic isn’t going to be classified by that, though. The targets have to be restructured by terms of how magically powerful the defenses of his foes are for it to make sense and not allow Nicol to.. well solo everything ever. Essentially, he can do ANYTHING to Kratos (save for mind control IMHO), some to Kharn and he’s weakest vs. Medivh.
What are planeswalkers?