Suggested by Sauroposeidon
The two animals engage each other in an open area for Jabba’s amusement. Which one returns to the Hutt Lord’s chains as the surviving victor?
In the red corner stands the Rancor of Dathomir (Star Wars), at 5 meters tall and only 1,600 kilograms it’s the featherweight of the match. What it lacks in sheer mass it makes up for in cunning, speed, and weaponry.
Standing in the blue corner is the Diplodocus of Earth. At 15 tons the Diplodocus dwarfs the Rancor. Due to its enormous weight it is ponderously slow, only able to step with one foot at a time. It relies on the strength granted to it from it’s bulk, largely.
Armed with a pair of enormous thumb claws in the front and a tail capable of delivering a super sonic whip slash Diplodocus is a walking fortress of muscle and bone.
Rancors are known for bringing down very large prey on their home world, however.
Can this lone veteran of the arena bring down one of Earth’s mightiest creatures?
Will Fiction or Reality be the winner?
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I think the Diplodocus has a good chance at defending itself.
damn sauro did you pay for this to be put up because you called it yesterday that this would be today’s match
@lancer
ictheyness seemed to know about which match was going to be posted ahead of time.
Only way I can see the Rancor killing that massive thing before it gets sat on is by slashing its neck, if it can reach it…
Uh, Body Slam?
I think it’ll take more than one Rancor to kill the Diplodocus. Think lion(s) vs giraffe.
Rancor uses the force.
Didn’t the Diplodocus withstand a charged particle ca- My bad. Wrong dino.
Wow sauro called it and it came true
he’s a witch!!! Jkjk
Can we get strength feats for the rancor
“he’s a witch!!!”
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Contradiction
Or he could have precog
@ the 198
The Master Chief vs Rancor thread should have everything you need to know about the Rancor.
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@ Sauro
Diplodocus? Really?
Alone, these gentle giants can’t really do anything because of its slow movements, they are more dangerous in their herds.
Its main protection is its enormous size, and I doubt a Rancor would be able to lift 15 tons of flesh and bone, nevermind one which fights back
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The best bet for the Rancor would be to hold the tail, to prevent that deadly whip from doing anything, then drag it until it stumbles.
The rancor only has to attack from the side and it will be over quickly.
Could the Rancor break through the Diplodocus’ hide?
@ 055
Bad idea.
Attack from the side = crushed by falling dino.
@hermit
Thanks man
“Attack from the side = crushed by falling dino.
Is the Dino clumsy or something?
“Is the Dino clumsy or something?”
More like he’s dead and falling. Or a body slam.
“More like he’s dead and falling.”
Roflmao.
“damn sauro did you pay for this to be put up because you called it yesterday that this would be today’s match”
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Itcheyness was discussing matches lined up for the next few days, although I had offered to forfeit my match for something else, due to how little attention recent Star Wars matches have been getting. Although I might be wrong on that front. It seems Admin felt this would generate enough traffic though, or maybe he’s just being merciful, I suggested this twice after all.
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“Only way I can see the Rancor killing that massive thing before it gets sat on is by slashing its neck, if it can reach it…”
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Diplodocus did not sit on things. They had a tail whip for protecting their flanks. Some tests suggest that by the time their bull-whip style attack landed the tip was traveling at super sonic speeds, delivering a sort of sonic-boom-smack/slice to the target as well.
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“Uh, Body Slam?”
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A Diplodocus weighs 15 tons. If it were to body slam it would knock the Rancor down hard, for sure, but it would have to charge to do this, and they can’t charge very fast at all, and they risk falling as well. Weighing as much as they do, there is a huge risk of injuring themselves too much to even stand back up if the Diplodocus fell.
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“Didn’t the Diplodocus withstand a charged particle ca- My bad. Wrong dino.”
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LOL
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“Can we get strength feats for the rancor”
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starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Malkloc
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Those are the things Rancors hunt, they’re basically nastier versions of the Fambaa
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starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fambaa
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Gives you a good idea of their size.
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Also, Rancors are not only capable of chasing down and cutting in to these animals, but they’re highly durable, their skin is very resistant to damage, able to shrug off hand held blaster bolts and even allowing them to survive larger guns like an AT-ST’s cannon.
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“The best bet for the Rancor would be to hold the tail, to prevent that deadly whip from doing anything, then drag it until it stumbles.”
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I think if the Rancor tried this it would get tossed. I believe it’s best chance is to wear down the Diplodocus like a wolf does biting at an elk until it’s too weak to rear and bring its claws to bare on the Rancor, and then go for the neck.
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“The rancor only has to attack from the side and it will be over quickly.”
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The problem would be getting past the tail, and not getting kicked if it does.
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“Is the Dino clumsy or something?”
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No, but if the Rancor got on to the Diplo and did enough damage it could cause the Dinosaur to fall over presumably.. although that would kill said Rancor and only leave the Diplodocus fatally wounded.
“Diplodocus did not sit on things”
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If they know there’s something there.
If we are talking about individual animals here, then the Rancor wins, I mean, it has the intelligence and the speed on its side, the only viable defense for the Diplodocus would be its tail because those claws won’t really do much damage if it cannot even raise the legs enough.
I am thinking something like this would happen, notice how a second diplodocus hits the Allosaur with it’s tail and it does nothing but knocking it to the ground.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFu5B5AEjTU
Difference between the Rancor and the Jurassic Era theropods the Diplo is used to is the Rancor’s reach. The only major apex carnivore during that time that I’m aware of was the Allosaurus, which while it had better arms than the Rex, still couldn’t really use its hands offensively.
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In most of the media rancors have featured, they tend to favor swiping attacks with their claws, if they don’t just flat out pluck you off the dirt and eat you.
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Arguably the most vulnerable spot on the Diplo is its head and neck, both of which may be kept high and out of reach, but the rest of its bulk is there, and while the Rancor’s maw is pitifully small compared to most theropods we know of, its long ass arms and claws will make it dangerous in a way the Diplodicus won’t be used to.
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I see this sorta being like a lone wolf vs a bigass bison that’s been through a taffy puller. The Rancor’s gotta keep from getting sonic boom whipcracked or crushed while it scratches up the diplo with its claws and hopes it gets weakened enough from blood loss to get to the head.
Not sure if this went through but I’ll ask again. Would the Rancor even be able to hurt the Diplodocus’ hide? Something that large would have so much natural armor and obviously it would take much to hurt it, right?
Hmmm, I’m not sure. With their primary predator being allosaurus, my guess is that their skin would be rather thick around the legs and belly in adaptation to where the things would most likely try to bite. I honestly have no real idea.
Seeing this chart it makes me think that the Rancor would have no problem reaching the Diplodocus’ neck/head, so a full frontal attack may not be a bad idea after all.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Longest_dinosaurs1.png
T-rex vs Pikachu next please
Or Pikachu vs. Thor.
I picked this matched because of the uniqueness of the battle – a real dinosaur up against a fictional beast. Stuff like that always gets my eye. Remember, try to make the suggestions very descriptive and/or with certain scenarios – those types of matches always get moved to the top of the list ahead of the others where just two combatants are asked to face off.
To increase your chances even more, be sure to include links to the images you want to use for the fight. Keep in mind that I don’t like to use the same images for the characters, so try to find something cool and stylish that we haven’t seen before.
“Or Pikachu vs. Thor.”
Think that has been done.
Some creatures from Monster Hunter would be cool.
I believe you guys might be forgetting that in the courtship of princess Leia the Rancors of Dathomir were way more intelligent then the one Luke fought in RotJ. they used tools like nets and had there own language. the description said that the Rancor in question was from Dathomir. so if you add this information in the Rancor would win
“I believe you guys might be forgetting that in the courtship of princess Leia the Rancors of Dathomir were way more intelligent then the one Luke fought in RotJ. they used tools like nets and had there own language. the description said that the Rancor in question was from Dathomir. so if you add this information in the Rancor would win”
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All Rancors, to my knowledge, have potential for intelligence. It depends on how they were raised. You may note that cunning was a listed ability of the Rancor. However, the ability to fashion a club out of an uprooted tree is not going to help the Rancor on some sandy cliff. It probably doesn’t even know how to do this since it wasn’t raised like a normal Rancor.
lord of the rings troll vs rancor?
Where is the battle taking place at, because in an environment with hills and other inclines the Diplodocus would be really vulnerable (I remember watching this show called “When Dinosaurs roamed America” I believe, where this Diplodocus tripped over a steep and broke its leg, being unable to stand back up and getting eaten alive by some Allosaurus).
Plain places however wouldn’t be a problem for the Diplodocus although I don’t see how it would be able to use the claws given to him by the admin.
We have nothing indicating sauropods were nocturnal animals, in fact their design seems to be very diurnal to me. Trolls turn to stone during day time. May be an unbalanced match either way you try to set up the battle field.
What kind of troll though, there are at least 5 types:
-Mountain Troll
-Cave Troll
-Bolog-Hai (Mordor Trolls)
-Snow Troll
-Hill Troll
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Each have their differences and strengths/flaws, so you would need to be more specific.
“Trolls turn to stone during day time”
mountain troll not mordor trolls (return of the king they assaulted gondor)
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would heavy cloud coverage could be neutral
Olog-Hai (Troll Folk) and Uruk-Hai (Ork Folk) both have the Hai suffix that denotes they were specific breeds that have their weaknesses to sunlight removed.
Yes, that’s why I was asking, Olog-Hai are also stronger than regular trolls, so it’s a matter of knowing what troll is being used and what rancor is being used.
Regardless of that, Rancors still seem to be bigger and more durable, or so I think (regular arrows and swords vs lasers wise).
“enormous thumb claws”
Wouldn’t that be Iguanadon?
“Wouldn’t that be Iguanadon?”
i thought the same thing
Diplodocus was also in possession of thumb claws. Although they were much larger. This is not an uncommon feature in sauropods. They may have even been the only visible toes/claws on the forefeet of the Diplodocus. It is more well known with Iguanadon because it was the second ever discovered dinosaur, and this is the defining trait of the animal outside of its dentition.
Also I want to mention the size chart is out of date. Supersaurus is on that chart, and it is now believed that Supersaurus was just a Diplodocus of large size.
I’m sorry, I just checked that, it may no longer be a diplodocid, but an off shoot of Apatosaurus, so nevermind me.
Thanks for the inspiration with this match. It got me thinking. I just suggested another similar to it.
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I think it all matters who hits first. If Diplodocus hits first, he’ll knock out the Rancor in one hit, but if Rancor gets first hit, Diplodocus might just keep being hit until it faints.
(Goes to ride the Lizard God!)
@Lizard God
So how’s the match working out, so far?
Also, where did it made it clear that Rancors can use the Force?
If there’s nothing to verify the idea with, does that mean we found another coin worth tossing out?
@CC
Isn’t the bull rancor only on felucia and dathomir?
Jabba’s rancor is not force sensitive, Cross.
This Rancor could be lacking some hunting experience as it was raised in a small pit (for it’s size) and most of his food was just fed to him (no hunting and running was necessary).
So we are talking about a weak and less experienced Rancor compared to the ones in the wild.
This is not Jabba’s rancor though. This is just a rancor from Dathomir.
Wait, nvm…
@OMEGAMI + Lizard God(still on your back, literally)
That why the Rancor in question isn’t a Force-user?
@Sauroposeidon: Is this Jabba’s Rancor from the movie, or a new imported one?
I’d say a new, imported one seeing how Jabba’s rancor wasn’t from Dathomir.
Listen to o 055 o
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rancor#Dathomir
Rancors originate from Dathomir, I was just listing their home worlds. This is meant to be Jabba’s Rancor. It clearly lists the Rancor as being Jabba’s, and the birth place of Jabba’s Rancor is, to my knowledge, unknown, but there’s a decent chance it was kidnapped off Dathomir. Attempting to say it’s NOT Jabba’s Rancor is just going to make you look foolish.
@ OMEGAMI
Jabba’s Rancor was used to fight other large animals before. I actually checked this before suggesting the fight to make sure it wasn’t going to just get stomped like an inexperienced idiot.
Really? What’d it fight?
@ Sauroposeidon
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The rancor was being transported from the Tarsunt system by Grizzid for a Bothan merchant named Grendu, when it broke out, killing Grizzid and his crew, and causing the ship to crash on Tatooine. – Regarding Jabba’s Rancor.
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@epicazeroth
Jabba’s Rancor fought all kinds of animals per Jabba’s request and amusement. It always won though and the only creature that would surely kill it would be a Krayt Dragon as the beast tamer in charge of him thought so.
interesting……
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How would the Rancor compare to the Allosaurus? That might give us a solid idea of how it would fare against our long, scaley, and massive friend?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Allosaurus_size_comparison.svg
Allosaurus is much smaller in the height department, although I guess it makes up for it in the length area. Some paleontologists think that it hunted in packs and others think it hunted alone, so it would be a matter of assumption more than anything.
An Allosaur would certainly be more agile, but if the Rancor can’t get a hold of it’s neck then the Rancor is super-ultra-fucked. One bite from a monster like an Allo and the Rancor would proceed to bleed to death. Their teeth make them not unlike giant land sharks. They don’t have any way to really bring down their prey, sauropods, fast, so they rip at them like wolves. Their mouths are armed with razor sharp, serrated teeth which are extremely different from tyrannosaurs. These are teeth meant for slicing, for carves huge swathes in one’s flesh. They would bite at weakened Sauropods as wolves do at Bison, ripping out small bits of flesh and letting the prey bleed profusely. Unlike wolves with bison, though, they probably had no way of just holding a Diplodocus down through strength of numbers. So they’re very swiftly built for their size. A real nasty force to reckon with. If the Rancor were to swipe and miss the Allo might just bite the Rancor’s arm, cleanly slicing muscle and tendons right off the bone and leaving a huge, loose chunk of meat just flapping off the arm, spraying blood wildly.
@Sauro
I was thinking about Nanotyrannus vs Therizinosaurus (spelling correction would be appreciated), especially because I found the perfect image for the nano.
I genuinely hate to say this, but it appears that Nanotyrannus is infact a young Tyrannosaurus Rex, and not it’s own species. I fought that debate long and hard at another time, and I had to concede in the end that it is probably not a distinct species.
Not knowing too much on dinosaurs you’ll have to excuse any inconsistansies or mistakes.
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Seeing how this particular Dino is a herbavore (Spelelling?) It wont be particularly aggressive before the Rancor gets in a hit or two with it’s incredibly long arms and scything claws.
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But once said Dino feels threatened it’s tail will utterly decimate the Rancor. With how much weight is behind that tail and the speed it’s going… I’m not sure it matters if it has the sharp edges, the blunt force would surely damage it’s insides and crush bone with ease.
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Now… is the Rancor cunning ENOUGH and fast enough to dodge or stay away from the tail?
If the Rancor attacks from the front/sides there’s not much the Diplodocus can do to be honest, the tail would also be kind of useless at the sides (and I mean, straight to the torso kind of approach) and biologically impossible to use it to defend its front.
Well, there’s the possibility of the Rancor literally being stomped if he approaches the front.
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Typically tails are much longer than the actual dino, allowing a good 180 degree sweep or more.
The rancor is about as tall as the Diplodocus though (assuming we are going by the well-known Diplodocus image shown in Walking With Dinosaurs)
Not to mention, how can the Diplodocus actually lift a leg high enough to stomp the Rancor?
“Seeing how this particular Dino is a herbavore (Spelelling?) It wont be particularly aggressive before the Rancor gets in a hit or two with it’s incredibly long arms and scything claws.”
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While we don’t know anything about this dinosaur’s aggression, in real life, all large herbivores are very aggressive and very violent. Buffalo of every kind, Hippos, Rhinos, Elephants. The only one that I don’t think is very aggressive is the Giraffe. The others will sometimes go out of their way to ruin your day.
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“But once said Dino feels threatened it’s tail will utterly decimate the Rancor. With how much weight is behind that tail and the speed it’s going… I’m not sure it matters if it has the sharp edges, the blunt force would surely damage it’s insides and crush bone with ease.”
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One hit would almost definitely shatter or snap in half whatever bone it collides with.
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“If the Rancor attacks from the front/sides there’s not much the Diplodocus can do to be honest, the tail would also be kind of useless at the sides (and I mean, straight to the torso kind of approach) and biologically impossible to use it to defend its front.”
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Diplodocus’ tail is very long, and fully capable of defending its sides. The front is defended by it’s legs, as it can rear up and kick. A knock with that muscular neck would definitely knock the far lighter Rancor on it’s posterior. The Diplodocus is defended from every angle.
The rancor fucking wins this. It’s a giant fucking monster. The diplodcus has literally no real ways to defend against it. It can’t stomp it as it’s too large, it can’t run away since it’s too slow, and that tail slap thing is pretty retarded. I’ll get some quotes on rancors from the few star wars books I own.
Meh, going by what I’ve seen in Walking With Dinosaurs and When Dinosaurs Roamed America I don’t think Diplodicus has a chance.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d8mdXKnGZc&feature=related
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltpksfWZc5M
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFu5B5AEjTU
Those are the reasons I’m saying the Rancor should win.
Even the giraffe won’t flee is threatened: it’ll break it’s attacker’s skull.
Actually, we KNOW pretty much nothing about any prehistoric animal other than it’s size and likely diet, so most anything that us on this site don’t “guess” is taken from another person’s guess.
We’re going to have to change the PG rating on this match if Fisher continues to post here.
“The rancor fucking wins this. It’s a giant fucking monster.”
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You realize the Diplodocus is stronger, better armed, and literally ten times the weight of the Rancor, right? Your opinion on how cool or lame the Diplodocus and its defenses are don’t hold any weight compared to the numbers. I could see an argument from speed and intelligence, or from wittling it down using combat experience.. but to say a rancor could just muscle its way through a confrontation with a sauropod of this size? That’s ridiculous.
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“Those are the reasons I’m saying the Rancor should win.”
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Your argument is a bunch of allosaurs can bring down a sick and tired diplodocus? The first three minutes in the Dinosaurs Roaming America video shows an Allosaurus having to back the hell away after it nearly got wrecked. The video does more to work against you. All we can gather from these videos is an alert Dipldocus in its prime is in no way viable prey for an Allosaurus.
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“Actually, we KNOW pretty much nothing about any prehistoric animal other than it’s size and likely diet, so most anything that us on this site don’t “guess” is taken from another person’s guess.”
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We actually know a fairly decent level of information considering what was left behind. Of course some behavioral issues such as aggression against predators is left in the air. The best we can do is look at large herbivores today and try to compare, since nature tends to repeat itself, a lot. What works, works, and replacement species tend to have similar adaptations to animals which once filled their niche.
Nanotyrannus isn’t its own species? Awwww. And I had this awesome picture to use waynebarlowe.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/approaching-storm-nanotyrannus-copy1.jpg Won’t those eyes make you sleep so much better at night?
You could always suggest a smaller theropod such as Carnotaurs.
I see this as a lose for the Rancor. Is it at all quick enough to get out of the way of a kick or tail-swipe?
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Plus the hide on that diplodocus must be pretty thick. The rancors being less so, giving it the defensive disadvantage.
@ Sauroposeidon
The Allosaurus had to move away because the other Diplodocus was about to attack it but since this is a 1v1 then he would have attacked it just like the third video shows (where again, another Diplodocus defended the one being attacked).
All in all, Diplodocus in those videos show no intent on attacking their predators (as you can see how freely those Allosaurus ran through the herd) and even when they did (both the Ballad of Big Al and Walking With Dinosaurs) the Allosaurus got up without any injury so I don’t see a reason for the Rancor not to.
The Allosaurs were almost definitely suffering cracked ribs whenever knocked down like that. A direct hit would cause catastrophic damage. In both the Apatosaurus and the Diplodocus videos, what we see are Allosaurs being fended off youngsters. This match involves an adult specimen. Allosaurs are lightning built, and a direct hit would devastate whatever part got nailed by a Diplodocus. Beyond this, only the last few inches of the tail would be traveling at over 750 miles per hour. The kinetic energy released on impact deals entirely with how close (or rather, far away) from the base of the tail the target is. This makes the tail good for protecting the sides of the animal since the target is most likely to be closer to the end of the tail at the point of impact if the target attacks the sauropod from that angle. It’s also the shortest threat range the Diplodocus has, conversely also making it the safest angle of attack at the same time. Fewer chances for the sauropod to counter attack, but greater chance that a counter attack will be lethal. The Rancor would hear something akin to cannon fire every time the Sauropod let loose a tail smack, to give you an idea of the sound of the sonic boom the tail would be unleashing. That’s how much energy would be in the tip. Compare this to the high toned crack which is the paltry sonic boom of a normal bull whip.
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And just so we’re 100% clear. The diplodocus that the allosaur got on to was a young juvenile female who only recently left the safety of the forest to join a herd. She was half the size of an adult diplodocus, and only barely sexually mature. She was inexperienced in dealing with allosaurs, and was ambushed. The Allosaur was not hit with the tip, and the tail was not traveling that fast. He was still knocked on his ass and he very likely suffered a number of fractures from the fall alone, let alone getting hit by something who’s tail weighs as much as he does.
if this is jabas rancor wasnt it not full size and therefore smaller than the diplodocus? unless im remembering a similar dinosaur
Yes, Jabba’s rancor is smaller than the Diplodocus. This Rancor is 5 meters tall. Diplodocus’ neck had a clearance over the ground of roughly 5.4 meters if I recall.
“Diplodocus’ neck had a clearance over the ground of roughly 5.4 meters if I recall.”
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Wait, so all the Rancor has to do is reach up and it can grab hold of the base of the neck?
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A full frontal assault might not be so bad after all…unless the dino decides to fall over and play dead.
@fisherking
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despite how large the rancor is isn’t the diplodocus I don’t know bigger?
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also tail whip would probably be a very effective method of killing the rancor
“Wait, so all the Rancor has to do is reach up and it can grab hold of the base of the neck?”
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A knock from the Diplo’s neck would tumble the Rancor. It would have to slash at it, assuming it can get in front of it to do this. The actual build of the Rancor also makes this a difficult task to perform.
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www.dinosaurusi.com/foto/all/Diplodocus/Dinosaurus_-_Dinosaur_-_Dinosaurio_-_Dinosaure_-_Diplodocus006.jpg
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It could also rear to kick or stomp, which would not be good for the Rancor.
www.dinosaurusi.com/foto/all/Diplodocus/Dinosaurus_-_Dinosaur_-_Dinosaurio_-_Dinosaure_-_Diplodocus006.jpg
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That has got to be one of the most disturbing images I have even seen to today.
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And with that, a full frontal assault has just been thrown down the drain.
So we really don’t know for sure who’s walking out of this fight alive, do we?
This is a tricky idea to consider, in retrospect.
I am slightly dubious about them having the ability to rear up quite that far (blood draining from the brain being the main issue with the sudden MASSIVE increase in altitude). However, males would have to have taken a stance not unlike that just to mate, and females had to endure this enormous amount of extra weight during mating as well, assuming they did mount. S it is not unlikely that their hips could support the king of extra weight a rearing attack would put on them. Their hips and hind legs are far better developed than their front quarters, after all. All of a sudden those thumb claws seem really dangerous.
“So we really don’t know for sure who’s walking out of this fight alive, do we?
This is a tricky idea to consider, in retrospect.”
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At the moment, no. But you know how I like to try to heavily balance a match most of the time.
@Lizard God
Wonder if there should be a time when factpilers ought to compete with each other to make sure the matches in question would be as fairly balanced for both sides as possible.*
1.) (Of course if that ever happened, factpile.com would be in a better age by now!)
I think balanced matches have a major con in that sometimes it’s almost impossible to arrive at a victor. Although in this one I side with the diplodocus for obvious reasons.
I’m rooting for the dinosaur here. Bigger, stronger, longer range, and a better weapon.
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“Nanotyrannus isn’t its own species? Awwww. And I had this awesome picture to use waynebarlowe.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/approaching-storm-nanotyrannus-copy1.jpg Won’t those eyes make you sleep so much better at night?”
Son of a bitch, I have that book. Haven’t looked at it in more than a decade, and several of the images in it are just as spooky to a <10 year old as that one is.
Hmn, I suppose Fisherking forgot that he was supposed to gather quotes on the Rancor that make it incapable of loss to a Diplodocus.
the sauropod steps on the starwars monster.
the rancor would win
Could you explain why?