Suggested by jackn8r
Scenario 1: Hand to hand combat. Neutral planet with wide expanses of grassland and trees. Many places of cover available.
Scenario 2: Squad vs Squad. Delta Squad vs Noble Team. Standard equipment, located at geonosis, both teams spawn a mile apart.
Scenario 3: 1 on 1 all standard equipment. Spartan gets Assault Rifle, 3 Frag Grenades, M6G Magnum, shotgun, and sniper rifle. Commando gets all DC17 variants, and 3 grenades also. This takes place at the Halo Reach map of Countdown.
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Going with the RC due to the tech advantage SW has over Halo
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inb4 EU isn’t canon
I think Spartans take Scenario 1. Never really heard of much in the way of physical augmentation.
” Never really heard of much in the way of physical augmentation.”
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for the commando’s I mean.
Two things I gotta ask:
1.) Is E.U allowed?
2.) If yes, how much E.U’s gonna be permitted?
Could affect initial bets depending on how the question’s answered.
Halo weaponry is as effective as trying to kill your enemy with hurtful comments, blasters outclass them (and covenant plasma guns) ridiculously.
“Scenario 2: Squad vs Squad. Delta Squad vs Noble Team. Standard equipment, located at geonosis, both teams spawn a mile apart.”
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Does this mean Delta Squad was acknowledged of the winners of their last fight where it was proclaimed that the losing Delta Squad would never be allowed to fight as a team again?
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I think round 1 goes to the spartans, and round 2 goes to the clones, as well as round 3.
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“1.) Is E.U allowed?”
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I don’t think Clone Commandos appear in anything BUT EU, Cross, so I think the answer is yes.
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“2.) If yes, how much E.U’s gonna be permitted?”
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I would presume all EU that involves Clone Commandos that isn’t something silly like Lego Starwars.
I thought it was decided early on that Delta beat (Can’t mention them because they lost). Anyways I see this match going like this:
Round 1: Spartan
Round 2: RC
Round 3: RC
Although it seems wierd your putting Noble Team against Delta, Noble Team consisted of Spartan III(Save Jorge). I would recomend Blue Team. Round 4 Should be Lego Clones vs. Megablocks Spartans.
“Round 4 Should be Lego Clones vs. Megablocks Spartans.”
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Now that would be a debate XD.
“Scenario 2: Squad vs Squad. Delta Squad vs Noble Team.”
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Someone doesn’t know their Spartans…
Scenario 1: Spartans win.
Scenario 2: Superior equipment wins the day
Scenario 3: Superior equipment
“I thought it was decided early on that Delta beat (Can’t mention them because they los”
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Well they never got the award, so I wasn’t certain.
@Lightning
Where the Tartarus were you, lately?
We were trying to set up a CTF match and we really couldn’t do it on factpiletopia without your aid.
Even Officer Negative Zero tried to contact you but you didn’t pick up the message!
So back to main match at hand, Lego Clones vs Megablocks Spartans would be awesome, wouldn’t you agree?
And then Samus drops a power bomb.
Jokes aside, doesn’t Star Wars outclass Halo?
@Lizard God
Those were dark days indeed.
“And then Samus drops a power bomb.”
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And Lina Inverse Dragon Slaves her
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But yes, SW outclasses Halo
No idea who that is. So, its over already?
@Zol
Lina Inverse is from Slayers, I answer.
First of all, all but one of the Spartans in Noble Team are Spartan III’s.
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Secondly,
Scenario:
1. Spartan
2. Commando’s
3. Commando’s
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Would Jack (ME) vs Luke Skywalker be an interesting match?
@Commander
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I had to do it.
Forgot to mention, Spiderman solos
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Anyway the only advantage Spartans really seem to have is physically. Anything they have would really only be useful in helping to get close. Emp launcher should be helpful. Even if its only in terms of how many explosives they can put down range quickly.
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“Would Jack (ME) vs Luke Skywalker be an interesting match?”
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Luke as of EU is well above Jack.
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@Dr. Twinky
Depends on what stages for Luke you’re talking about, obviously we should be talking the Pre-NJO stages for Skywalker or the results would be bogus either way, that’s for sure.
The only problems SW has against Halo based on pure military might are peak Forerunners and Humanity whom would crush the Galactic Empire.
@CC
Whoops, sorry.
Pre-New Jedi Order, yes.
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I think Jack’s biotics are one of the best, so it could be a nice little fight.
@Lightning
True enough on that, but Modern Halo doesn’t have the Forerunners at their prime, which could make it moot, though.
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If you’re talking DragonBall Z against Star Wars, that might be another story.(Remember Sideous vs Kid Buu?)*
But I Digress, and I don’t want to harm the 1st 50 comments in the process.
@Lightning
www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=33213
You may join the link and enter to the latest page to see the plans I have in store for this particular CTF project of mine, alright?
Sooner or later the CHB fans will catch up with the Dresden Files fandom and avoid falling behind on factpile, but until this project’s ready to be sent out, for now our numbers sleep, alright?
@Dr. Twinky
Then depending on the Pre-NJO stages for Luke to face Jack(ME), the results could be of intrigue in that case, which = Badassery of mutually epic proportions may await us hopefully, agreed?
^Perhaps 4 ABY?
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@Dr. Twinky
Get to this link and we’ll talk more on it, alright?
So Lego Clones vs Megablocks Spartans?
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“So Lego Clones vs Megablocks Spartans?”
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So….How will that work exactly?
1: This is a duplicate match from another site. Way to go, Jack.
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2: Incarnations use? Movie vs EU?
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3: If movie then RC’s never land a hit on Spartans. If EU then I agree with the masses.
“Scenario 1: Hand to hand combat. Neutral planet with wide expanses of grassland and trees. Many places of cover available.”
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Spartans easily. Too strong and fast physically when compared to a Commando.
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“Scenario 2: Squad vs Squad. Delta Squad vs Noble Team. Standard equipment, located at geonosis, both teams spawn a mile apart.”
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Well terrain and range seem to favor the Clones, but I think the Spartans can pull it off due to the EMP grenade launcher potentially being able to shut down their equipment long enough to beat them at close range.
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Could go either way, but I think the Clones may hold a slight advantage overall.
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“Scenario 3: 1 on 1 all standard equipment. Spartan gets Assault Rifle, 3 Frag Grenades, M6G Magnum, shotgun, and sniper rifle. Commando gets all DC17 variants, and 3 grenades also. This takes place at the Halo Reach map of Countdown.”
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Clone probably. Spartan can once again win up close but the Clone’s got better weapons, likely more range and his shields should tank Halo ordinances. Add a concussion grenade or thermal detonator and he’d kill the Spartan easily.
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Range > CQC so Clone wins there unless the Spartan can get the jump on him to use hand to hand.
@CIDE
I only remember them being “mentioned” in the Attack of the Clones, they never really were in the movies, iirc.
@CIDE: The Republic commandos only appear in EU, hence EU has to be used.
“I only remember them being “mentioned” in the Attack of the Clones, they never really were in the movies, iirc.”
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They were in the series that follows though. So would that still make them part EU?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bg7O_BVk0mQ
^ Oh, wow, I haven’t seen much of the Clone Wars, so I didn’t know they were in the series… hmmm, interesting, maybe I will have to try and watch it again.
The Spartans take round one due to their physical augmentations.
RCs take the second ad third rounds thanks to their superior technology and weapons.
Not mentioning the emp grenades they carry that could take out the Spartans armor shielding in seconds.
I think Cap and Bucky vs. Delta Squad would be fun. Not sure how many people are in Delta though. Four?
do we count the Karen Traviss novels as canon? I recall they were the center of a bit of controversy. If we do decide to use them, then I can pull a few good durability feats for their armor.
The only “controversy” I found on her was that she wrote in one of her books the Republic has only three million clones. Which is absurd. But aside from that, I guess they would be canon.
Accuracy feats for both sides?
Would training help in the 2nd scenario? Or is the RC training better then the S-II training?
You can find tons of Spartan accuarcy feats in various matches.
Excellent weapons + horrible aim = less likely that opponent will get killed.
Shitty weapons + good aim = less likely the opponent will get killed.
I’m going to have to go back and look at previous Halo vs. Star Wars threads, but I’m not so sure standard Halo weapons will even effect the Clones. And we all know the Spartans have excellent aim. It is safe to assume that the Star Wars side has decent aim.
Is there in anyway that the physically superior Spartans can stealth their way and fist fight scenario 2 and 3?
People say they loose in scenario 2 and 3 but that is IF they manage to get a lock on the Spartans and hit them with the blasters, I know they have higher technology but their guns are still point and shoot, I can see the Spartans aim dodging and taking cover (lets remember that they have superior reflexes in comparison), Spartans won’t just charge in at their enemy like that, If I recall most of the operations in Halo consist of coming unnoticed.
So, this is how I see it.
Scenarios:
1: Spartans (physical superiority)
2: 50/50 (Spartans are limited do to standard equipment but their augmentation and stealth training could give them the edge, as for RC they also have standard and it’s superior to the Spartans so they can even that up)
3: Spartans (scroll up and read again, RC only get a DC-17 and 3 grenades, Spartans get 4 weapons and out of that it includes a sniper rifle (they are excellent marksman) wich unlike scenario2 they now have the equipment necessary to achieve tactic advantage in combat)
But all this is assuming that the Spartans can get a hit through that armor (again they are excellent marksman).
“RC only get a DC-17 and 3 grenades, Spartans get 4 weapons and out of that it includes a sniper rifle ”
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DC-17, Last I checked; is 4 weapons in one. Including a sniper rifle.
Hit them in the eyes.
Wait no, it’s 3 in one and they carry a rechargeable blaster.
It’s standard use is that of a side-arm, it’s a pistol, and yes thy can mount a scope to it, but I don’t know if that will be as effective as a sniper rifle from Halo (it might be because of superior tech but they aren’t superior enough in marksmanship when it comes to shooting at the range of a sniping Spartan).
I never seen the specs for the sniper rifle in Halo, I know that the rest of the rifles suck but that Sniper Rifle in particular has something different, the bullet velocity and penetrating power in it (it can pierce right through ANY Armour in the game, that includes Elites, Brutes and Spartans (goes in and out, with the exception of Hunter Armour, and vehicles).
Give them Spartan Lasers and this could be less debatable.
All that I wan’t to state is that in scenario 2 and 3, everybody assumes they hit the Spartans, I agree that a hit with a blaster rifle is fatal even for Spartans but we all have to know that neither of both squads will just walk into fire, it doesn’t work like that, not even in today’s military we see soldiers walk around in the open looking for the enemy, unless they have no choice but in here there are choices.
And one more thing, Don’t Spartans get an advantage in scenario 3 do it being one of their maps, I must say, if you look at it Scenario 3 is more shaped into the Spartans favor do to more variety in weapons and tactical knowledge.
Here are some specs for the DC-17:
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/DC-17_hand_blaster
“Well terrain and range seem to favor the Clones, but I think the Spartans can pull it off due to the EMP grenade launcher potentially being able to shut down their equipment long enough to beat them at close range.”
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Katarn armor is EMP hardened.
“Here are some specs for the DC-17″
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Going by the scenario stating “all DC17 variants”, I beleive it’s talking about the commando’s standard multi weapon.
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/DC-17m_Interchangeable_Weapon_System
“This is a duplicate match from another site. Way to go, Jack.”
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To be fair he wrote it on Spacebattles, and I’m never satisfied with a ‘debate’ on Spacebattles, they never actually get you know… Debated.
@ZomBooze: That depends on the debate, some actually do get debated, but many are posted with the intent for their favored side to win, so debates can be pointless.
Also, the Clone does have a chance in close combat, one hit and he can kill the Spartan, he just needs to be able to land a hit.
The wrist mounted vibro blade that gives of an electric shock could help the clones. if they could only hit the Spartans maybe that would help
1: Spartan
2: RC, just because Noble Team was a bad choice, as there is only one Spartan 2. Blue Team would win though, I think.
3: Could go either way. I say a draw, or Spartan. Don’t hate me.
Oh yea are we using the chief,Fred, Kelly and Linda to match the clones boss,sev, scorch and fixer?
Forget last post didn’t read the details clearly
Ass hole Zombaked gears of war hater.
On Topic: Just like the previous squad the republic commando’s fought, the spartans stand no chance in round 2 and 3.
“Ass hole Zombaked gears of war hater.”
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omfg, I don’t hate Gears of War. You’ll never get over that will you? It’s not like I assaulted your sister and made sexual advances on your dog.
I just noticed that, when there are no equipment that can be used, Spartans can actually take on a lot (not all) of what could be considered in their tier.
@zom how will one hit kill him? Are blisters really strong enough to take out a Spartans shields, strength and armour with one hit?
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Next the spartan reaction time and shear brutal strength will decimate in hand to hand.
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Spartans aren just goin to walk into fire. Their fast smart and capable. I give 2 to the spartan team. How effective is commando armour? Spartans are expert marksman. If they have a sniper they’ll kill the commandos at long range.
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Don’t foret grenades. Their explosives. I’m pretty sure a frag will easily kill a commando. If not it’ll for sure knock him down.
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In scenario three I give it to the Spartan. His speed, agility and strength will
Win him the round I believe.
@Zombooze
Ever since you made that match, your dead to me >:(
“how will one hit kill him? Are blisters really strong enough to take out a Spartans shields, strength and armour with one hit?”
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He’ll one hit him with his vibro blade
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“How effective is commando armour?”
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It shrugs off Verpine shatterguns with little difficulty. It’s well beyond Spartan armor.
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“Don’t foret grenades. Their explosives. I’m pretty sure a frag will easily kill a commando. If not it’ll for sure knock him down.”
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I’m fairly certain a clone commando once jumped on a bomb to protect someone, and came out of the ordeal unscathed.
Hey my first match!
“1.) Is E.U allowed?
2.) If yes, how much E.U’s gonna be permitted?
Could affect initial bets depending on how the question’s answered.”
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Book feats are allowed for both combatants, and I’m changing the squads to Omega squad for the RCs and The Red team members Frederic, Joshua, Kelly and Li. I think that seems a little more fair.
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Sorry about that CIDE. I requested it here, but didn’t think it was going to get posted. Besides, its different debaters, should be more interesting.
Who has the better training? Spartans or the commandos
I’d say the Commando would take rounds 2 and 3.
All have good training at what they do, you can’t compare a Spartan’s training wich is all about taking on the covenant with the RC’s who specializes in another field.
Both are trained to be Excellent marksman and in top fine physical condition, but it will goes to the Spartans as their augmentations puts them well above in the superhuman department, the RC have their share amount of augmentations but I can’t believe how it doesn’t include anything that of a Spartan (I guess they missed out on that one), they should have actually perfected the use of body augmentation to a degree far superior of the Spartans, why didn’t they, beats the hell out of me, same thing with Halo, after seeing those assault rifles I said “superior technology my a**”.
Give the Spartans good weapons and armor with their already well thought augmentations and they could reverse some stomps in FP.
Back on topic, the RC train to use blaster type weapons and others, change their equipment and they might say “where f***ed aren’t we” (because Halo guns suck), while it will take the Spartans some time to learn how to use them to it’s fullest (I know it’s point and shoot but their are other factors that makes them different than standard weapons).
I say the Spartans have better training, it has to be more intense, the augmentations means they have more options in battle than a regular human, they have to train underwater, parkour under combat situations and highs peed combat as well as aim dodging at the most if necessary.
RC troopers can’t afford to get hit too much, they also use jet packs but most of the time taking cover is their thing.
As for vibro blades, IF they hit a Spartan, scenario one will be a massacre, a Spartan would be able to pick them up tier off their limbs if their strength and speed feats are correct, would be like fighting a Terminator.
If its kelly sweet.
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To be honey I think in scenario two the Spartans will sneak up on the commandos.
“To be honey”
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What does being honey have to do with spartan’s sneaking up on the commandos? Sorry, couldn’t resist.
But yeah, I don’t recall The commandos hud having anything in the way of radar or sensors so they’d have to rely on there own senses right?
@Lieutenant
In other words, both sides in general have uneven segments of capabilities in parts, right?
is the unarmed in armor or not, cause the RCs have vibroblades built into their gauntlets.
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if i remember correctly, the clones have some mild genetic tampering, like more dense bones/muscle tissue, and more fast twitch nerves, which would come in handy in hand 2 hand.
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i still think that the spartans would win the h2h, but the clones would put up a fight.
@Mess
The match wouldn’t deserve to call itself group combat if we have to expect anything less from either side, agreed?
RC armor is also very, very tough. in karrin traviss’ last book, one of the clones gets shot by a tank, subsequently had a wall fall on him, and survived with a mild concussion.
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they also sport a fairly weak energy shield, though no were near the mjlonir system
@CC
yeah.
@Mess
This is good, this will be entertaining no matter who’s left standing.
P.S: So care to head back to Annabeth Chase vs Clary Fray since Nerazim answered some questions?
“they also sport a fairly weak energy shield, though no were near the mjlonir system”
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I was under the impression that the Clones shields were insanely powerful (dammit Republic Commando!), but thats game mechanics for ya.
Spartans is better in Hand to Hand combat, but Republic Commando have better weapons(they have Rayguns while Spartans are still uses Slugthrowers)
The Spartans of noble team aren’t Spartan 2′s but cheaper and less powerful spartan 3′s(except for Jorge).
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Spartans definenitly take round one, due to better training and physical augmentations.
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A team of Spartan 2′s would more than likely take round 2 as well. I know what you’re thinking, that SW tech is so much more advanced and that’s true at a much larger scale but at this level I think it’s tilted in the Spartans favor given the immense power of mjolnir armor. True the blasters are very effective but they fire plasma bolts similar to covenant tech, so I don’t think they’re anything that the Spartans shields can’t handle. Also once the Spartans have close on the commandos (which they can do because the average spartan 2 can break 40 mph in a sprint) they could simply pulverize them with they’re superior strength.
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Round 3 also goes to the Spartans. In a one on one scenario it’s going to come down to whose the better soldier even more so than the squad match and the spartan is obviously the better soldier both physically and mentally.
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It is hard to escape the fact that a spartan 2 with the latest mjolnir armor is a walking tank. A better match up would have spartan 3′s vs the commandos, since spartan 3′s only have semi-powered infaltration armor.
“The Spartans of noble team aren’t Spartan 2′s but cheaper and less powerful spartan 3′s(except for Jorge).
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Spartans definenitly take round one, due to better training and physical augmentations.
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A team of Spartan 2′s would more than likely take round 2 as well. I know what you’re thinking, that SW tech is so much more advanced and that’s true at a much larger scale but at this level I think it’s tilted in the Spartans favor given the immense power of mjolnir armor. True the blasters are very effective but they fire plasma bolts similar to covenant tech, so I don’t think they’re anything that the Spartans shields can’t handle. Also once the Spartans have close on the commandos (which they can do because the average spartan 2 can break 40 mph in a sprint) they could simply pulverize them with they’re superior strength.
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Round 3 also goes to the Spartans. In a one on one scenario it’s going to come down to whose the better soldier even more so than the squad match and the spartan is obviously the better soldier both physically and mentally.
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It is hard to escape the fact that a spartan 2 with the latest mjolnir armor is a walking tank. A better match up would have spartan 3′s vs the commandos, since spartan 3′s only have semi-powered infaltration armor.”
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*facepalm*
What some don’t know is that the Spartans can ditch their weapons in scenario 2 and 3 and win it by stealth and CQC like they did in scenario 1.
OKay, I agree with #1 I just want to say, if anyone ever bothers to READ the Halo books like a good little fanboy they notice that the VERY FIRST THING SPARTAN IIs rely on is their near impossible stealth training and capabilities to do pretty much everything. THey would never let the clones see them much less hear them coming.
We should have simply given the two of them the same equipment and be done with it.
But let us remember, Star Wars hold better technology, they could have a map displayed on their HUD to avoid stealth.
But even if they see them coming, the Spartans will make sure that they attack in the right terrain, they can jump in to the middle of the the RC squad, deliver a blow and jump back out of their sights before they can pull the trigger.
Being out tech and out gunned (and outnumbered) is something the Spartans where trained to manage.
Hey its not noble team anymore read jackn8rs only post he changed the team now or does the his post not count because of the new rule?
I never assumed it was noble team, all but one of them composes of SpartansIII, the SpartanII would be the best out of all the Spartans, SpartanIIIs being the easiest and fastest train and create, but they are just enhanced soldiers, SpartanIIs are more powerful but takes more time and dedication to make (lots of resources goes into the program too), something the UNSC can’t afford all the times.
We can safely say that when a squad of SpartanIIs is created, then there is a full base of SpartanIIIs.
I don’t know much about SpartanIs, I think they are better than SpartanIIIs but not more than SpartansIIs.
Please oh please, can we use the badass troops from Clone Wars?
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYI9FDbfk5U
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We are being overrun! “Proceeds and destroys the droid army” BAD ASS.
Spartans never get tired of T-Bagging each of the thousands of brutes and elites they kill everyday.
They where born to T-Bag, they are T-Bagging machines of whoop ass, make Mr.T proud.
We need reinforcements! My troops can’t handle the level of badass that I am putting out in extreme doses!!!
lol
There is only like one Spartan 1 Sgt Jonson and he died
sgt johnson wasnt an S1, he was a sgt with a weird disease that made him immune to flood.
and Clone commandos are very BA, you know who the nulls are?
“sgt johnson wasnt an S1, he was a sgt with a weird disease that made him immune to flood.”
He is. If you actually read every book you would know. The *disease* was a side effect of the augmentations.
i actually have read the books. johnson contracted the disease (with some weird blahblah syndrome name that i cant remember) by blowing up a crate of plasma grenades, and an equivalent # of aliens. he then absorbed the radiation from the nades, and contracted the disease, which made the flood not want to absorb him, as they would absorb the disease as well.
the spartan 1s were just normal people with big power suits that had to be hooked up to a power source. the spartan IIs solved that with a mini nuclear generator, which way overpowered the suits, which necessitated genetic manipulation.
“i actually have read the books. johnson contracted the disease (with some weird blahblah syndrome name that i cant remember) by blowing up a crate of plasma grenades, and an equivalent # of aliens. he then absorbed the radiation from the nades, and contracted the disease, which made the flood not want to absorb him, as they would absorb the disease as well.”
Facepalm. It was a cover-up. You don’t think they’ll let information regarding the Spartan programme run freely right? I know you got that info from First Strike but it has since been retconned. He took part in the ORION project and his group was subsequently known as the S
*Spartan Is* Sorry for double post. If you doubt me, go search the goddamn wiki.