Published on May 23, 2012, by admin - Posted in Duels 77
Suggested by Sean
Here we have Ultron (Marvel) squaring off against Brainiac of DC Comics, making his debut on FactPile.
Two powerful beings in their universes, but who gets bragging rights here?
Why does Ultron hates humanity so much?
Who is Sean? Srsly?
Anyways Ultron is composed of true adamntium and can hack computers and stuffs afaik. What does Brainiac have up his sleeves?
Going with Ultron because I know more about him
Ultron has a variety of powers and is composed of true adamantium, but his innards are less durable.
Not sure about Brainiac… though
Says here that Braniac can manipuate electronics and absorb information.
Vast intelligence, super strength, super speed, invulnerability, heat vision, X-ray vision, replication, shapeshifting, electronic manipulation, flight, biological manipulation, information absorption, mineral manipulation
If you trust the wiki.
I’ve seen more of Ultron then I have of brainiac(at least comic wise) so for now I think I’ll side with him. Plus
Difficult. Doesn’t Brainiac tend to use his nanobot tech to take over computers generally? I suspect this match with be less about who has the best strength or speed, and more about which of the two can hack the best.
Didn’t Brainiac fight Superman on even terms? I might be wrong though…
Comic Brainiac is crap compared to JLU Brainiac. I hope Ultron pounds his lousy pantsless face in.
Some Ultron stuff
Control of his atoms
Adamantium casing/molecular rearrangeer which allows him to manipulate it
Trying to control Ultron
We mustn’t forget Ultron has likely permanently scarred Tony Stark, turning him into a woman.
Takes on the Avengers
I don’t know much of either, and anything I know of Brainiac comes from the DCAU. I generally bow to Sauro when it comes to comics.
“We mustn’t forget Ultron has likely permanently scarred Tony Stark, turning him into a woman.”
No wonder even future Tony is afraid of him.
That’s just messed up.
I loved that whole story, getting to see Sentry get his ass kicked by a chick… Thats what I read comics for.
“I don’t know much of either, and anything I know of Brainiac comes from the DCAU. I generally bow to Sauro when it comes to comics.”
Except I almost tend to avoid comics because the cartoon versions are usually much better. Batman and Superman being prime examples of how the animated shows completely blow their comic versions totally out of the water. Having grown up on cartoons, reading the cheesy storylines, bad one liners, bizarre plot twists, and all kinds of silly nonsense scars my childhood memories of these characters. Best example being Mr.Freeze, my all time favorite villain, being an absolute joke in the comics. Brainiac is another one of those ridiculous joke characters who you just can’t take seriously in the comics. He’s just badly designed in every conceivable way.
Ultron’s pretty beast, apart from the Aforementioned fight with Sentry; he’s taken on Hulk as well. If I remember correctly, the only way to stop Ultron is if his power battery runs out of juice?
Well then hows about we take this as DCAU Brainiac? I don’t believe a version was mentioned in the OP’s original Post. The Brainiac who managed to beat damn near every member of the Justice League barring Flash, who is arguably the main antagonist throughout the entire last half of JLU
DCAU Brainiac fused with Darkseid, right?
True enough, although the Cartoon versions tend to nerf some of the DC combatants generally speaking as I noted.
I thought there was more than one of each.
I feel like this is going to end up with Ultron being the winner because people tend to know more about him than Brainiac. Anyway, cool picture.
Brainiac looks just like Luthor painted green.
Also, the looked like one of the lamest (or the most awesome) punch I have ever seen. Brainiac looked like he simply moved a hand forward. Slowly and calmly.
Going by DCAU, Brainiac cured Luthor’s Kryptonite induced cancer and possessed his body, also gave the man super strength.
Must be why he looks like Luthor.
Who knows, Hermit? I don’t have any scans. Just some fun. Superman > The Sentry > Ultron. Therefore, Brainiac wins. Haha!
“Superman > The Sentry > Ultron.”
I will not be responsible for all the negative comments heading your way.
Is it possible for him to try and possess Ultron? Making this a battle of wills?
For the record nine times out of ten Ultron’s outer shell is Adamantium. Physically Brainiac can’t do shit to Ultron. Ultron has the ability to control machines and even put his program to varying degrees in other machines.
Ultron is not without his weak points however.
Ultron has one sole major weakness, an internal molecular re-arranger that renders the adamantium components of his internal workings more malleable, thus giving him a means to remodel or reconstruct his physical form. However, it has no effect on his outer armor, so it is virtually impossible to disable it from the outside. The chaos magic wielded by the Scarlet Witch is so far the only thing proven to be able to have an effect on it.
The metal-destabilizing ore known as Savage Land Vibranium anti-metal can hurt him but Brainiac wouldn’t have access to this so its pretty null..
Ultron’s non-adamantium parts can be destroyed, meaning that he can be defeated by foes with shrinking powers who can easily attack his non-adamantium parts.
Shrinking or nanomachines are pretty much Brainiac’s only options.
Dunno. Ultron seems like the determined type so its fairly likely that it would be a pitched competition if it happened to come to that.
Antarctic Vibranium, (different stuff than Cap’n America’s shield mind you) would indeed ruin Ultron, or even Wolverine. It seems to have the ability when vibrating at the proper frequency to liquify any metallic substance. Too bad its piss friggin rare and doesn’t actually exist with an analogue in the DC universe.
By the way, where does this battle take place.
I don’t know but the battlefield of this match is going to make an immense amount of difference in what happens.
So, if they fight here…
“Ultron’s non-adamantium parts can be destroyed, meaning that he can be defeated by foes with shrinking powers who can easily attack his non-adamantium parts. Shrinking or nanomachines are pretty much Brainiac’s only options.”
Even then, Ultrons still got the technopathy thing going own he could use against them.
Self repair even internally(also see post #8)
Seems to e capable of creating some internal defenses.
I know was just listing the ways Brainiac may be able to win so there was some discussion of strategies he could employ, since it would require machines then that means Ultron could take control of them.
What if Brainiac wrenched out Ultrons innards from his throat or some other opening?
Thats providing he gets close, though.
So 3 years since Ultron made his factpile debut before this match happened, right?
I don’t think Ultron really has what you would consider a throat. And getting withing Grappling range with him is baaad in the idea department.
Why don’t Braniac try and possess Ultron?
Then both will be too busy trying to possess (Braniac) and to resist (Ultron) to do anything else.
And Ultron can posses tech as easily as Braniac can, or is Braniac not a machine in the comics?
Well gee. What do you know? A match that I’ve been wondering about actually shows up on the site.
I’m going with Ultron. In a fist fight, he definitely has more straight up raw power, and he’s pretty much as strong or stronger than Brainiac.
Then again, what versions of each are we using? Most recent/dangerous?
My knowledge of the two combatants is limited, but on first glance I think this will ultimately go to Ultron.
Does anyone else think Namor vs. Wonder Woman would be an awesome fight?
Two nearly indecent heroes battling it out for bragging (who’s got the more Rated 13 costume) rights?
The problem with Braniac is that he is more popular in his Animated self than in his comic book incarnation.
Because of that, people know much less about his true comic power.
@ The Geek Lord
If you want that match to happen, use this pic.
So Ultron wins this?
@ SpiderGuardian 1911.
Until we see more of Brainiac’s feats, yes.
Considering lack of comic Braniacs popularity that doesn’t look to be happening.
Anyone think the Lizard vs Killer Croc in their own match would be interesting?
I think I need brain-bleach…
Ultron for the FP award
So, Brainiac is a multiversal being or something that collects cities throughout DC’s universe since before COIE, how’s that affect the match?
Should probably wait until we see how he gets his knockoff Beyonder ass kicked.
Well, Brother Eye managed to convert him somehow. Although, I don’t know how DC handles future timelines, so I don’t know if it’s canon or not.
Kinda unfair play to call DC out for copying Marvel though. Especially considering Thor’s BFF is a Supes knockoff.
Means Ultron gets stomped.
He not only has access to equipment that shuts down powers and magic but also cybernetic stuff as well.
And they killed the Injustice gotham. Just stomped there Supes out like a candle.
Not calling them out on making a knockoff, so much as calling them on turning one of their classic characters into one….which is much worse. There’s no real reason for Brainiac to suddenly be multiversal and literally doing the same thing as Beyonder did and the Beyonders are for no reason. Especially when they’ve shown a new Antimoniter who is apparently going to have a multi-universal smack down with Darkseid…which is much more interesting then suddenly making one of Supermans rogues gallery suddenly jump from planetary+ to multiversal.
It’s literally just them picking one of Supermans rogues at random from a hat and making him multiversal despite Darkseid supposedly already being that level, and Anti-Monitor already running around again.
If I was going to call them on making a knockoff I’d call them out for making Aquaman a year after Namor appeared.
” literally doing the same thing as Beyonder did and the Beyonders are for no reason.”
Technically isn’t only a drone him is doing it?
Also Brainiac doesn’t seem to be multiversal in regular battle sense. He travels to different universe and has versions of himself spread through out but it isn’t like he is the one going around destroying universes or anything like that. At best he has become a reality warper.
“Technically isn’t only a drone him is doing it?”
Apparently the Drones “Master” told him about the Convergence from what I understood of the comments he made in the first Convergence issue.
“He not only has access to equipment that shuts down powers and magic but also cybernetic stuff as well.”
Seems like it takes a while to do so though, and in that time Ultron could hack him or do the same thing it did.
“And they killed the Injustice gotham. Just stomped there Supes out like a candle.”
Haven’t been able to tell their universes apart TBH, was that the Supes who fought FPGC?
“Not calling them out on making a knockoff, so much as calling them on turning one of their classic characters into one….which is much worse.”
Well…. [SPOILER ALERT!] …Ultron is now part Hank Pym.
Not sure how that’ll effect things.
[Edit] Hell i’ll say it DC totally ripped off this event from Marvel!,
and wanked the shit out of a lame character to do it!.
yeah, they rip off characters from each other all the time, or have very similar (though the new Hyperion I guess is arguably a tribute character considering how badass he is) characters and parodies.
Also anyone else watch the Regular Show episode tonight?
The Park Gang + Baby Ducks + cousin + Carter and Briggs + Geese are moon cracking-planetary life wiping level (though Large Planet level with the Galaxy Saber)
Wonder what characters in that ballpark would be an interesting matchup for them.
“yeah, they rip off characters from each other all the time, or have very similar (though the new Hyperion I guess is arguably a tribute character considering how badass he is) characters and parodies.”
Which is why I never bitch and moan when I see something being done that one of them has already done. DC decides to do Convergence? Whatever. Marvel has yet another Supes? Cool.
Still, with both companies having a reboot(more or less)at almost the EXACT same time, doing the SAME EXACT thing, I’d love if they had took this opportunity to have a crossover universe or multiverse that they would revisit(like a monthly or weekly thing)as opposed to having a massive crossover like JLA/Avengers, Marvel vs DC, Hulk vs Supes, Batman vs Daredevil, etc. But, that’s just me…
“Also anyone else watch the Regular Show episode tonight?”
No, but I’m going to now. Sounds badass!
“Which is why I never bitch and moan when I see something being done that one of them has already done. DC decides to do Convergence? Whatever. Marvel has yet another Supes? Cool.”
Yeah, though it does kind of hurt DC a bit that their doing this so soon after Flashpoint and all, and like I said their choice of villain leaves a bit to be desired
“Still, with both companies having a reboot(more or less)at almost the EXACT same time, doing the SAME EXACT thing, I’d love if they had took this opportunity to have a crossover universe or multiverse that they would revisit(like a monthly or weekly thing)as opposed to having a massive crossover like JLA/Avengers, Marvel vs DC, Hulk vs Supes, Batman vs Daredevil, etc. But, that’s just me…”
It could be fun, but they won’t do it again most likely. And honestly…not sure if it’d be any good, I mean the other two were mediocre-decent, had some cool moments and all but overall were kind of meh when I look back on them.
I don’t know if they can really do it justice…the companies are too prideful and arrogant, the crossovers are going to get predetermined based on whose willing to give where, regardless of who would really win what fight.
That said according to the writer of the Star Lord comic the real reason is because they know “Star Lord would kick Batman’s ass”
“No, but I’m going to now. Sounds badass!”
“Yeah, though it does kind of hurt DC a bit that their doing this so soon after Flashpoint and all, and like I said their choice of villain leaves a bit to be desired”
True. Figured something like this would be more of an Imperiex thing to be honest.
“It could be fun, but they won’t do it again most likely”
“And honestly…not sure if it’d be any good, I mean the other two were mediocre-decent, had some cool moments and all but overall were kind of meh when I look back on them.”
I’m not so much talking of them doing a crossover over series where it’s like their worlds merged and they have to deal with each other. More along the lines of how both companies started, but as opposed to only having characters from their own multiverse have it from both multiverses.
“I don’t know if they can really do it justice…the companies are too prideful and arrogant, the crossovers are going to get predetermined based on whose willing to give where, regardless of who would really win what fight.”
Again, I’m not thinking of it as a VS as much as I am just an Earth 2 or Ultimate Earth or 616 Earth or Prime Earth, etc. Just a universe where as opposed to fighting each other, they grew up along side one another.
“That said according to the writer of the Star Lord comic the real reason is because they know ‘Star Lord would kick Batman’s ass'”
That’d be interesting.
Actually saw it before writing this post. Pretty epic, especially when they all fused and almost blew up the Earth, but hey, life wiping it isn’t too bad, right?
While that could be interesting I don’t see them doing that, getting a continuity together would be a trainwreck and half the time the companies don’t even know whats going on in their own continuity.
That puts that attack at around 100 Teratons or more.
“While that could be interesting I don’t see them doing that,”
O, I’m fully aware that they’ll never do that. I’m just dreaming of what could be, but never will.
” half the time the companies don’t even know whats going on in their own continuity.”
Hence why it’d be a separate continuity. Them growing up together vs them just being thrown together.
“That puts that attack at around 100 Teratons or more.”
They very well could’ve just blown up the Earth. It seems like they just stuck their elbow out and just slammed the other mech on the Earth, as opposed to throwing an elbow with any amount of force behind it.
And splitting the moon in half takes far more energy(I think it was 2.9875717 ET to blow it up, but cutting it in half seems like it’d be in the same ballpark). Reminds me of Augus from Asura’s Wrath.
Closest vs is multiversity and that new anlvengers thing strange fucked up.
Well when Toneri cut the moon in half it was 159 teratons
@Lowk Again, not hoping for a VS.
So, back to Brother Eye, he somehow managed to overpower Beyondiac’s defenses by overloading them or something, could Ultron do the same? I mean, we’ve seen what he did to Tony, what’s stopping him from doing the same thing to Brainonder?
@Jake Wasn’t there some reason it was that though? Like it fell apart funny or something along those lines?
it was based on how much of the moon was destroyed plus how far apart the pieces were pushed, but it’d be tricky to really gauge that due to the fact that it fell apart in the episode with no trigger, they didn’t directly push it apart or anything, and then at the end of the episode the halves are moved into positions that make no sense after what happened during the episode.
@Jake I’m sure someone could figure it out. Don’t know. Wondering what’d be a good match up against them.
Ax Cop? Same sort of reality warping shenanigans; he and his buddy picked up the sun and threw it back to where it belonged when two badguys stole it.
Popeye the Sailor Man.
Even at base he’s still a threat, give him some spinach and it just sweetens a delicious death cake of death.
“Apparently the Drones “Master” told him about the Convergence from what I understood of the comments he made in the first Convergence issue.”
Personally I think it’s one of those ‘misunderstood what his master wanted’ sort of scenarios. And thinking back I don’t think The caretaker is actually part of Brainiac. Wasn’t he just the planet that Brainiac shaped to suit his needs. Brainy seems like he wanted to preserve places rather then have them destroyed.
” Again, not hoping for a VS.”
Well in that case they also had an expy of the avengers complete with hulk team up with analogs to the justice league against lovecraftian forces. I think that is probably the best there going to do.
“So, back to Brother Eye, he somehow managed to overpower Beyondiac’s defenses by overloading them or something”
Superbeard rocked him so hard he had a systems malfunction. Then millions upon millions of brother eyes confused his defense while braniac was in the process of rebooting. Then they shrunk him down.
Talos is his name or it’s name since Talos is a planet. And didn’t initially realize it but Talos’ outlook makes some sense considering he is basically nature. You know, the whole survival of the fittest cliche.
“Personally I think it’s one of those ‘misunderstood what his master wanted’ sort of scenarios.”
Seems like it, he said he’d see a sign and that he’d know what it was once he saw it. Then Earth 2 DC came in and that was “the sign.”
” And thinking back I don’t think The caretaker is actually part of Brainiac. Wasn’t he just the planet that Brainiac shaped to suit his needs.”
Brainiac’s avatars turned to dust combined together and made Telos, so seems like he is a part of it too me.
“Brainy seems like he wanted to preserve places rather then have them destroyed.”
Probably where the misunderstanding comes from.
“Well in that case they also had an expy of the avengers complete with hulk team up with analogs to the justice league against lovecraftian forces. I think that is probably the best there going to do.”
Yea, I know… Or back in ye olden days Marvel had a couple team ups with the Squadron Supreme and Avengers and Squadron Supreme and the Defenders IIRC.
Still, I can only hope and dream that this: marvel.wikia.com/Earth-7642 becomes something that gets revisited more consistently than just whenever the two feel like crossing over, and actual current series… Again, just a dream.
” Then millions upon millions of brother eyes confused his defense while braniac was in the process of rebooting.”
If a featless AI can do that, I don’t see why Ultron could do it, considering he has taken over flesh and bone, and we’ve seen Brainiac be taken down by such a thing.
“Brainiac’s avatars turned to dust combined together and made Telos, so seems like he is a part of it too me.”
He was just mimicking their forms. He even says that he isn’t one of his brainiacs.
“If a featless AI can do that”
He is mentioned being capable of running something no computer on earth can handle. Considering that Cyborg is capable basically fucking over the entire planet technologically(Which Eye actually does as well) that is saying something.
Plus the taking over people both with powerful wills and counters to hacking… like Cyborg.
And as I mentioned before, it basically did it while Brainiac was rebooting after being damaged by superman. Nevermind that all it did was mess with one of his defenses.
“He even says that he isn’t one of his brainiacs.”
Where does he say this? Couldn’t find it.
“Plus the taking over people both with powerful wills and counters to hacking… like Cyborg.”
Ultron did that to IM, obviously he hasn’t done it as often as BE, but they share that at least. I think he did it to Adam Warlock too.
“And as I mentioned before, it basically did it while Brainiac was rebooting after being damaged by superman.”
Any reason in particular why Ultron couldn’t hit him that hard? He was going hand to hand with Sentry who was starting to Void out.
“Where does he say this? Couldn’t find it.”
He implies that he is more then a one of the extension. It’s noted he is the actual planet. Then has an idendiety crisis when he realizes he isn’t one of braniacs variations, he just knows them. It pretty much the second half of convergence 0 when he meet n52 superman.
“Ultron did that to IM, obviously he hasn’t done it as often as BE, but they share that at least. I think he did it to Adam Warlock too.”
Ultron took control of stark through one of HIS satellites. Tony inadvertanly let ultron in when he used it.
And regardless even with that level of control all BE managed to do was confuse the defense of a recovering Brainiac.
That actually a feat for Brother eye. Braniac has has taken over an entire planet all at once while controlling stuff as to not kill the people in situations like flying.
“Any reason in particular why Ultron couldn’t hit him that hard?”
Last I checked his current body isn’t at the same level.
Braniac has shown the ability to teleport someone. Put up barriers around entire cities. Can create barriers that weaken or strip powers. Can terraform a planet and move a planet outside of time. Braniac has the range advantage on Ultron. So even if he did have the strength to match superman it is going to be difficult to get near him.
And High evolutionary helped put him Adam Warlock.
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