Suggested by jacob pearson
Vamp (making his debut to the pile) is the ex-member of Dead Cell from the Metal Gear Series. His opponent is the half-Vampire from Marvel Comics known as Blade. Vamp has a lot of impressive feats that can only be explained by Nano-Bots while Blade has been fighting real vampires for all his life.
Can Vamp do what other vampires failed to do? Or will Blade have one less vampire to deal with?
Leaning towards Blade until some feats for Vamp come up
Whoa, didn’t expect ‘vampire’ and ‘metal gear’ to pop up in the same sentence.
Vamp feat:
In MGS4:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=R61cCBUWNQM
And Raiden strenght in that game:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGLpFgd1VkQ
Vamp in MGS2(he is certanly faster):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJxzCH3uKQc
and run on water
www.youtube.com/watch?v=91yQHCbV7Ro (after 7 minute)
What’s all i know about him.
Vamp is night immortal, which was the thing he was going for. The only known way to but him down for good is to tamper with the machines that rebuild his body. The fight between him and Raiden from MGS4 should show how skilled he is with a knife.
Whoops, that’s supposed to be *nigh immortal.
@Zolanius
“Vamp is night immortal, which was the thing he was going for. The only known way to but him down for good is to tamper with the machines that rebuild his body.”
Matter not. His regen is not that fast(Raiden put him down for long time in both their fights in MGS2), and he never show that he can restore arm or head. Cut, tear him tp peaces and you do the thing.
“The fight between him and Raiden from MGS4 should show how skilled he is with a knife.”
Not only. Raiden, while losing arm and being seriosly injured stop Armored Gear by his srenght for some time. Vamp overpower healthy Raiden with just one arm. So he stronger than Raiden.
Much stronger, I agree with that. Raiden break-dancing those Gekkos was awesome. On a side note, why do the Gekko sound like cattle?
While Vamp hasn’t shown to regen from lost limbs, hw has taken serious damage and shrugged it off. Take for example, when he was stabbed. He pushed the blade through the chest and out from his back where his spine is. He kept fighting after that. Last I checked, spinal damage is supposed to be pretty serious.
@Zolanius
“On a side note, why do the Gekko sound like cattle?”
Liquid Ocelot doing. Probably he just love the sound)
“While Vamp hasn’t shown to regen from lost limbs, hw has taken serious damage and shrugged it off. Take for example, when he was stabbed. He pushed the blade through the chest and out from his back where his spine is. He kept fighting after that. Last I checked, spinal damage is supposed to be pretty serious.”
And he lost his consciousness in few minutes after that. So he had some limit even with regen. He probably cant’t bear much damage without going in some sort of coma to heal himself.
Blade may be better skilled than Vamp is and likely faster, Vamp is physically stronger than the hunter and has a powerful regeneration that Blade won’t be negating unless he can pull off something super that overpowers his regen entirely such as decapitation.
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Vamp has shown to be nigh inexhaustable but he can be KOed for a short amount of time by acts such as a bullet to the head. That could prove to be enough time for Blade to decapitate him.
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I’m on edge about this one as Vamp is capable of killing Blade potentially in a few hits going by Raiden’s inability to overpower him whereas Blade can exploit Vamp’s weaknesses to an equally potential fatality.
Few more feat of Vamp speed and both his KO in MGS 2:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAHjpdGNZpA
Vamp can defy buoyancy, dodge bullets by predicting their shooter, and seems to have an unlimited supply of knives on hand.
He may be able to win simply by only defending against dismembering blows and exhausting Blade’s stamina.
My money’s on vamp. Blade is accustomed to fighting real vampires that dissolve as soon as they get hit by his sword. Vamp would just allow blade to stab him in order to get close and finish blade off with one of his million knives.
Koldfury did a good job mentioning how Vamp justifies being hit. Like I mentioned earlier, Vamp can shrug off damage to the spine, so there’s no telling what he’d go through to get Blade close to finish him.
Plus in mgs4 vamp only faints after he is finished fighting. Even after a bullet to the head he still finishes making a phone call.
@koldfury
“Plus in mgs4 vamp only faints after he is finished fighting. Even after a bullet to the head he still finishes making a phone call.”
But he never show his speed from MGS2 in MGS4. It’s like he trade speed for raw power.
What nags me about Vamp is when he faints. Does he do so from exhaustion/too much damage or does he just do it for effect being the twisted jerk-ass he is?
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Waiting on my fellow MGSers on this one. (theobserver, Sorrow, ZomB or anyone else knowledgeable)
Didn’t they make a point about Vamp having to rest after a fight or else his nanos stop working? I’ll have to pick up my copy again to find out for sure.
Well, it does take a a few seconds for the nanos to kick in. When Faiden first headshot him he was down for the entire “Fortune’s Misfortune Soliloquy”. Lucky him.
I’m still trying to figure out how he runs on water. It’s not like it’s a non-newtonian fluid or anything.
“Didn’t they make a point about Vamp having to rest after a fight or else his nanos stop working?”
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I don’t remember that being specifically stated or anything but he always seems to go down every time he takes great damage such as a bullet to the head.
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“I’m still trying to figure out how he runs on water. It’s not like it’s a non-newtonian fluid or anything.”
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Vamp’s suit, leg portion, uses the van der Waals force as speculated by Otacon in MGS2.
@Soldier’s Shadow
“What nags me about Vamp is when he faints. Does he do so from exhaustion/too much damage or does he just do it for effect being the twisted jerk-ass he is? ”
His regen isn’t instant or absolute(as proven by his scar from bullet on his face). He actually loses part of his organs in fight and despite their restore pretty quick he still can lose consciousness because his body can’t simply work anymore until they restored.
Just quickly, I would add that if it came to a knock-out or death then Blade would lose this fight if Vamp is a bullet-timer (does the current incarnation, albeit deceased, work retroactively to MSG2?). I would have to say that on the premise that he is a bullet-timer (which remains odd if on his many deaths he failed to miss a stabbing or a shot when comparing his easy-go-lucky movements of bullet-deflecting in MSG2) and that if he can only be defeated by the plot-specific nanomachine-suppressor virus (having this thrown into combat) I still believe he would lose. On the flipside if he isn’t a bullet timer in this incarnation then I would rethink my thoughts on the matter.
@Paveway
“Just quickly, I would add that if it came to a knock-out or death then Blade would lose this fight if Vamp is a bullet-timer (does the current incarnation, albeit deceased, work retroactively to MSG2?). I would have to say that on the premise that he is a bullet-timer (which remains odd if on his many deaths he failed to miss a stabbing or a shot when comparing his easy-go-lucky movements of bullet-deflecting in MSG2) and that if he can only be defeated by the plot-specific nanomachine-suppressor virus (having this thrown into combat) I still believe he would lose. On the flipside if he isn’t a bullet timer in this incarnation then I would rethink my thoughts on the matter.”
He never show much speed in MGS4. Nothing close to MGS2. But his strenght grew pretty much, that’s for sure.
Someone can tell me how Snake defeated Vamp or is he just a troll.
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Well Blade does have adamantium weapons so if he cut Vamp to pieces what happens?
@ReDruM
“Well Blade does have adamantium weapons so if he cut Vamp to pieces what happens?”
Vamp die or it count’s as his defeat i think. Althiugh i think that he will not survive after that.
Vamp dies of course, what is being debated is if any of the two have the skills enough to cut the other down first.
“Someone can tell me how Snake defeated Vamp or is he just a troll.”
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PIS.
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“Well Blade does have adamantium weapons so if he cut Vamp to pieces what happens?”
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Probably die or remain permanently incapacitated as his regen never showed him reform limbs or have the same healing effect as say Wesker.
On a side note, why do the Gekko sound like cattle?
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They do it to lure victims into a false sense of security.
“Soldier’s Shadow”
“Probably die or remain permanently incapacitated as his regen never showed him reform limbs or have the same healing effect as say Wesker.”
How Wesker regen stronger than Vamp? It on the same level.
“Vamp dies of course, what is being debated is if any of the two have the skills enough to cut the other down first.”
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Skills and experience obviously goes to Blade. Blade is over 100 years old. So old that Wolverine forgot he saved Blade’s life back in the day from a Vampire.
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Reach again goes to Blade due to his adamantium Odachi which is about 5 feet long.
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Blade is obviously a Bullet Timer who fights other bullet timers regularly so thrown blades won’t be an issue.
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He’s tough enough to get blasted miles away without dying
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“How Wesker regen stronger than Vamp? It on the same level.”
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Wesker’s regen is practically instant and combined with his durability, he’s practically as durable as a tank. Vamp’s is powerful but he always goes down once he takes too much trauma. Granted his cooldown isn’t that slow, it’s still a detriment.
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“Reach again goes to Blade due to his adamantium Odachi which is about 5 feet long.”
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Vamp does throw his blades with pretty good accuracy so that could lessen the ranged advantage. However, Blade having firearms wins out.
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“Blade is obviously a Bullet Timer who fights other bullet timers regularly so thrown blades won’t be an issue.”
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Vamp is a bullet timer too as shown above but speed isn’t really much of an issue here between the two.
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I say Blade wins and is eligible for a FP award as Vamp’s ability to grapple with Raiden making him a deadly enough threat to Wesley Snipes here.
So either way, it’s a close one right? Not a bad debut for Vamp. I wish he could win, but I don’t know if his bullet prediction and acrobatics could get him close enough for a kill.
Vamp lacks the ability to put out enough damage to kill Blade. Thrown knives while fly as fast as paper planes to Blade, being a bullet timer. Blades has long and close distance covered with guns and swords. Vamp is badass, I like him better than Blade, but this match will just end up as an acrobatic showcase with Vamp throwing knives, Blade dodging them, Blade shooting bullets, Vamp dodging them, then both fighters will close the gap. Blade will get pretty cut up, but strike the killing blow.
*will fly as fast
Blade literally killed Dracula! The First Vampire. He sounds abit like Vamp, actually. Also, Blade has those, what are they called, adamantium throwing knifes, guns/bullets, and sword. Blade also is a bullet timer and very strong. He also has mental strength, as he can resist the call of blood, (with the help of his equipment). So pretty much, I think Vamp loses this match.
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(I just watched the third Blade yesterday, so thats why the info).
“Vamp lacks the ability to put out enough damage to kill Blade”
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Vamp grappled with Raiden, who held back a battleship sized submarine before and the latter couldn’t overpower Vamp.
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That’s pretty damn strong.
I doubt Blade has battleship-sized durability… And somehow, if the gap between them is closed and Vamp loses a limb, he’d still go for a killing blow. Like mentioned earlier, he can justify being hurt if it means hurting the other guy.
“I doubt Blade has battleship-sized durability… And somehow, if the gap between them is closed and Vamp loses a limb, he’d still go for a killing blow. Like mentioned earlier, he can justify being hurt if it means hurting the other guy.”
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Blade is wielding a Odachi. You don’t stab with an Odachi since it is a great sword you slash and cleave with it. And since its made from adamantium each blow takes a piece of vamp with it. A single slash to the midsection would cut Vamp in half without even slowing down and these blows cannot be blocked by anything in the MG Universe. Vamp’s not winning this one since he’d pretty much have to move out of the way of each attack instead of blocking and that sword is 5ft long. Not to mention Vamp would not know this.
“Not to mention Vamp would not know this.”
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Isn’t that why each combatant gets Prep-time?
“6. Prep and Knowledge
All parties involved in a battle are made aware of the opposition and a general idea of their capabilities. This means that no combatant is assumed to be at a passive demeanor past the merging point. That does not mean, however, that combatants are made aware of the opposition’s strengths, weaknesses, or past history.”
Also, couldn’t Vamp catch the sword on its side, or am I thinking about some other Metal Gear character.
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Isn’t that why each combatant gets Prep-time?
“6. Prep and Knowledge
All parties involved in a battle are made aware of the opposition and a general idea of their capabilities. This means that no combatant is assumed to be at a passive demeanor past the merging point. That does not mean, however, that combatants are made aware of the opposition’s strengths, weaknesses, or past history.””
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Read the bottom part of that. It says that does NOT mean they are aware of strengths aka powers and weapons, weaknesses aka how to kill, or past history aka what makes the character tic. Thus the only thing Vamp does know is he is facing a half-vampire with all their strengths and none of their weaknesses.
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“Also, couldn’t Vamp catch the sword on its side, or am I thinking about some other Metal Gear character.”
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1. Has he ever been shown to do this?
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2. Blade still has his off-hand which means he can pull a sub-machine gun and dump the magazine in Vamps face.
However, it does say it give them a general idea of their capabilities. Vamp should know that the sword cuts through things more durable than himself, but doesn’t know that it’s called adamantine or that it cuts through almost everything.
Anyway, is it too soon to give a FactPile award for Blade or is there something I’m missing?
I know Raiden held back a sub. But you can’t really use that in the fight with Vamp. If Raiden was using his full strength in that fight, every blow from his sword would cause immense damage. But instead, they were blocked with Vamps knives, which don’t seem to be anything special. There are alot of inconsistent displays of strength. What I meant to say was, all Vamp has are knives, and Blade has been stabbed before. Blade has guns, which seem to hurt Vamp.
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At 1:12 Raiden is struggling when the Geckos are subduing him. But he then proceeds to spin two around simultaneously. At 3:23, Vamp kicks Raiden, if Vamp were stronger than a guy who held a sub back with one arm, Raiden should have disintegrated. Instead he flew back about 20 feet and hit a fallen Gecko. Also, the Gecko wasn’t dented or damaged at all. I’m not saying Raiden isn’t strong, but there is a lot of contradicting evidence.
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I still think that guns are the only thing giving Blade the edge here.
Sorry, forgot the link.
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“Raiden was using his full strength in that fight, every blow from his sword would cause immense damage.”
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Raiden really had no reason to hold back against Vamp so I’m not sure if that’s the case or some wonky physics or the most likely lazy developers.
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“But instead, they were blocked with Vamps knives, which don’t seem to be anything special.”
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Vamp’s knives could be HF blades like Raiden’s but I suppose we’ll never really know an answer here.
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“Vamp kicks Raiden, if Vamp were stronger than a guy who held a sub back with one arm”
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Not sure if this is directed at me or not but I never said Vamp was stronger than Raiden.
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“but there is a lot of contradicting evidence.”
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That’s MGS for you.
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“Also, couldn’t Vamp catch the sword on its side, or am I thinking about some other Metal Gear character.”
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He could always jump over it or even do one of his stripper slides under an horizontal attacks instead and fire out his knives which would at least force Blade to dodge.
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“I still think that guns are the only thing giving Blade the edge here.”
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I agree.
Blade explains vamp regen.
www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/1532/prv1532_pg5.jpg
www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/1532/prv1532_pg6.jpg
“Raiden really had no reason to hold back against Vamp so I’m not sure if that’s the case or some wonky physics or the most likely lazy developers”
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Exactly, my guess is just lazy developers and inconsistent story.
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“Not sure if this is directed at me or not but I never said Vamp was stronger than Raiden.”
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My apologies, I misread your “grappling with a guy who held back a sub” comment. But even then, if Vamp were anywhere near as strong as Raiden has shown to be, a kick from him would do unbelievable damage. Raiden should have blasted through any obstacles for the next 150 feet at least.
@I-REAPER-I
“I know Raiden held back a sub. But you can’t really use that in the fight with Vamp. If Raiden was using his full strength in that fight, every blow from his sword would cause immense damage. But instead, they were blocked with Vamps knives, which don’t seem to be anything special. There are alot of inconsistent displays of strength.”
I believe that both Raiden and Vamp hold down in term of phisycal power in their fights, cause,well, they both relied more on skills, rather than strenght. But i do believe that when Vamp overpower Raiden for short time they both use they full strenght. I mean there’s no reason for both of them to hold back and Vamp clearly let Raiden go because of damage to Vamp’s body. But i maybe wrong.
There’s something troubles me with Vamp regen. In MGS2 all time before his regen rise him on foot(then Vamp was in coma-state) Vamp first have contact with water. His regen depends on it or not, could someone tell me?
Vamp impaled himself when he pushed the knife through, and it was in the same general area that Raiden’s sword hit. But Vamp seemed perfectly okay. And of they used their peak strength, their blows would have cause immense collateral damage.
Quick question, can anybody give me a list of notable and skilled snipers? I’m trying to suggest a Mordecai (Borderlands) vs another sniper match.
Spartan 058 Linda (unarmored).
The End (Metal Gear Solid 3)
Sniper Wolf (Metal Gear Solid)
Good. I thought of her and Thane Krios from Mass Effect, mainly because of the different possible layouts.
Sniper Wolf or Linda?
I’m looking for someone more from an RPG, mainly because I wan’t to give both an equal layout.
Linda.
^Probably a bad idea. Borderlands barely has any fluff so he has no feats to speak of besides game mechanics.
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I’m detecting a bit of a problem. Blade has adamantium weapons, which last I checked had a cut through anything property. Vamp’s going to be in trouble if he can’t even block Blade’s sword without getting his knives cut in half.
“Quick question, can anybody give me a list of notable and skilled snipers? I’m trying to suggest a Mordecai (Borderlands) vs another sniper match.”
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Garrus Vakarian?
True, that’s the only concern I had. He does have a few feats though. He won the Interplanetary Shooting competition with a revolver, while everyone else was using sniper rifles.
@w00tm0ng3r
“I’m detecting a bit of a problem. Blade has adamantium weapons, which last I checked had a cut through anything property. Vamp’s going to be in trouble if he can’t even block Blade’s sword without getting his knives cut in half.”
Well Raiden also have no ordinary sword, but Vamp still hold it. But personaly i think that he hold it mostly due to PIS.
Garrus and Thane were the two I was leaning towards the most. On a side note Garrus is a badass.
But Raiden’s sword is not adamantium. It’s very durable, but not adamantium.
@I-REAPER-I
“But Raiden’s sword is not adamantium. It’s very durable, but not adamantium.”
Oh well, then I guess win for Blade since Vamp fight-style not going to work.
For a sniper fight, why not Crying Wolf?
“I’m detecting a bit of a problem. Blade has adamantium weapons, which last I checked had a cut through anything property. Vamp’s going to be in trouble if he can’t even block Blade’s sword without getting his knives cut in half.”
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If he opts to block. He can always avoid it considering he is quite agile and makes some pretty big jumps.
What can blade do if he has his shadow pinned(prevents movement) by Vamp’s knife?
Vamp can jump as high as Metal Gear Rex.
He can predict a human’s next move from their muscle movement.
@Zolanius
Because I’m trying to get characters from an game with RPG customization.
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@Kuja
I totally forgot that Vamp can do that!
I don’t think blade will be able to hit vamp with his sword. Vamp loves to spin out of the way and dodge. When he fights Raiden he does a lot of spins and back flips. Plus bamp has the knife in his boot.
Vamp
So not alot of blade feats so I’ll just post some of those.
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Little bit on him and vampire abilities
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Fights evenly with a speedster whose fast enough to outrun bullets. i30.tinypic.com/2lk5lb7.jpg She also happened to be a vampire which would increase her stats.
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Speed blitzing another vamp, cutting him into several pieces before he can react
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Time seems to slow for him
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Speedblitzing other vampires(again, world seems to slow down to him)
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Another instance
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Accuracy
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thrown projectile can knock someone back
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This is a good fight. Vamp has gone against riden who is notable. question is metal gear rising raiden before MGS4 raiden
I was leaning towards Blade, but now that I remembered Vamp can pin his shadow, this fight got a little more interesting.
“I was leaning towards Blade, but now that I remembered Vamp can pin his shadow, this fight got a little more interesting.”
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how does the shadow thing work? I read his wiki and it seems to be some kind of hypnosis. If that’s true I think Blade has a feat that could help negate that.
Also wouldn’t something like an grenade or something mess up the light enough to change where the shadow is and move it away from the knife?
@Atomic Lowk
“how does the shadow thing work?”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=y38xuVymFPE ( 2:50 and further). It’s his psyonic if I not mystaken.
Blades guns seem to have a high rate of fire and a lot of ammo.
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“www.youtube.com/watch?v=y38xuVymFPE ( 2:50 and further).”
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Will even if he can’t break it it seems that he should still be able to do something like shoot the knife or vamp, or drop something like a grenade to fuck with the lighting to move his shadow, and it doesn’t it last long.
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Does Vamp only have knives? I think he might need something more then knives to do any lasting damage to Blade
“how does the shadow thing work?”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=y38xuVymFPE ( 2:50 and further). It’s his psyonic if I not mystaken.”
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It looks to me like its how the wiki says it is not a supernatural ability. Either way does he still have this ability in the current incarnation and it appears blade has to be standing still for this to work. Also an apparent weakness of abilities like this is that if the person is fighting in shadows or darkness the abilities tend to rendered useless.
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“Does Vamp only have knives? I think he might need something more then knives to do any lasting damage to Blade”
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Apparently that’s all he uses and no its nowhere near enough to permanently drop Blade or even be registered by him as fatal wounds and unfortunately he does not get anything else.
This is a good fight. Vamp has gone against riden who is notable. question is metal gear rising raiden before MGS4 raiden
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Originally Rising was going to be set between 2 & 4 but now it takes place 9 yrs after MGS4.
Rising Raiden is after 4, we could get a flashback.
@ReDruM
“Either way does he still have this ability in the current incarnation”
He never show it in MGS4 so no, i think. And he keep his weakspot in MGS4 although it takes more time for him to fell in compare to MGS2. MGS4 headshot:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvqcbIl4krc
And in MGS2:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgigBXacF3o&feature=relmfu(акщь 12:19)
By the way here Vamp last battle in MGS4 if someone needs it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfANYkAp1Mw
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPSVX3peF6w&feature=relmfu
Ok so MGS4 raiden is before rising so we cant use those feats. So ill have to give this to Blade
” And he keep his weakspot in MGS4 although it takes more time for him to fell in compare to MGS2. MGS4 headshot:”
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Adamatium makes his entire body a weakpoint.
“Adamatium makes his entire body a weakpoint.”
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Not necessarily. An adamantium sword will do the same amount of damage to flesh as a high carbon steel sword. That’s like saying an iron ice pick through the eye will do less damage than a steel one.
“Not necessarily. An adamantium sword will do the same amount of damage to flesh as a high carbon steel sword. That’s like saying an iron ice pick through the eye will do less damage than a steel one.”
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He said Vamp has one weakpoint. I stated the adamantium makes that weakpoint irrelevant which it does. And besides that the difference is that adamantium makes all of vamps defenses useless since nothing he has on his person could possibly block a blow from Blade’s Nodachi. Thus he gets chopped into little pieces.
I didn’t read all the comments, but from what I did read, it looks as if no one mentioned the fight between Snake and Vamp in MGS4. In that fight, it seems as though when you deplete either of his gauges he goes down for about a second, then gets back up, health/stamina fully-regenerated.
It seems people can’t tell the difference between infinite durability and infinite sharpness. Just because he has a fancy sword, doesn’t mean it can slay anything no questions asked. It depends on the force of the one swinging versus the durability of whatever is on the receiving end.
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Again, Infinite durability =\= Cuts through anything.
Yes, but Raiden (who stopped Ocelot’s ship on loose ground) had trouble overcoming the force behind Vamp’s blows. I think they were getting at Vamp’s strength before. That’s why they said Vamp is more powerful, but Blade is faster.
Vamp is also able to predict movement and counter accordingly. Combine that with how much damage he can take and the sword becomes that much more unimpressive.
Yeah, that’s true too. I wonder who a good match for Raiden would be? At the same time, I’m also still trying to figure out what caused the lightning when he appeared outside the microwave corridor (I was sort of holding a conversation at the time, sew me).
Well think about it. What happens when you put metal in a microwave?
Yeah, I guess that’s true too, lol
“It seems people can’t tell the difference between infinite durability and infinite sharpness. Just because he has a fancy sword, doesn’t mean it can slay anything no questions asked. It depends on the force of the one swinging versus the durability of whatever is on the receiving end.”
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Iirc it’s the same stuff that has shown to cut the Hulk. Would that be a good feat?
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“Combine that with how much damage he can take and the sword becomes that much more unimpressive.”
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If the Blade cuts through him it should cut a piece off. Can Vamp regrow entire limbs?
Raiden’s strength feats are too inconsistent to be used. In one scene, he was struggling when the Geckos had him tied up, he then proceeded to twirl them around break dance style. In another scenario, Vamp kicks Raiden pretty fucking hard, and Raiden goes about twenty feet back and bounces off a fallen Gecko. If Vamp really were anywhere near as strong as Raiden was shown to be, his foot would have either gone straight through Raiden, or Raiden would have been shot back several hundred feet, shattering anything he hit in the way.
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“It seems people can’t tell the difference between infinite durability and infinite sharpness. Just because he has a fancy sword, doesn’t mean it can slay anything no questions asked. It depends on the force of the one swinging versus the durability of whatever is on the receiving end.”
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Actually, no. The problem with most modern metals, is that the bevel needs to find a balance between thickness for blade retention, and sharpness for….sharpness. This is because if the bevel is too thin, it will be razor sharp, but it will bend and break very easily. This isn’t a problem for adamantium. Since it is nigh indestructible, even in the smallest amounts, the bevel of a sword can be MUCH MUCH thinner.
At one point (not sure if it got retconned) adamantium had some pseudoscience vibration shit at the molecular level that made adamantium blades behave like 40k power weapons, which would explain why Wolverine can cut a lot of stuff he really shouldn’t be able to.
Well, once adamantium sets, it’s molecular structure becomes so stale, that it cannot be melted back down. With a structure that stable, I wonder if vibration is possible. Although I do remember hearing something like that.
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That would explain why Logan’s claws sparked when he barely touched them together in Origins. Not saying that the movie is canon or a reliable source, just that it would explain it.
Stable….not stale
I’m just saying, give the same sword to a normal human and see if they slice titanium.
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As for Vamp losing a limb, again, he can predict movement. He can take slashes that might only cut deep, then decide to use those fancy acrobatics to dodge limb cutting motions.
“If Vamp really were anywhere near as strong as Raiden was shown to be, his foot would have either gone straight through Raiden, or Raiden would have been shot back several hundred feet, shattering anything he hit in the way.”
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I believe this would sum up what that would be.
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“Iirc it’s the same stuff that has shown to cut the Hulk. Would that be a good feat?”
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Sure would be.
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“Can Vamp regrow entire limbs?”
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Nope.
@SS
My apologies, but I don’t follow…
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@Zolanius
Yes, Vamp is quick and agile. No, he is not impossible to hit. Blade has faced quick and agile opponents before. I like Vamp way better, but when the only way he can survive is to dodge, no blocking at all, he will die. Also, guns. Blade has guns.
“I’m just saying, give the same sword to a normal human and see if they slice titanium.”
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Normal humans have used adamantium weapons before and they have the same effect. What you people don’t seem to understand is like REAPER said adamantium weapons can of mono-molecular edges because they don’t need to be thick to be durable.
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“As for Vamp losing a limb, again, he can predict movement. He can take slashes that might only cut deep, then decide to use those fancy acrobatics to dodge limb cutting motions.”
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He can predict movement on normal humans yes. Can he predict Blade’s movements is the question.
“My apologies, but I don’t follow…”
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Raiden has shown the capability to break dance with Gekkos and holding back battleship sized submarines which implies great strength in the triple to maybe even quadruple digits of tonnage yet his blows look like normal sword slices and he can’t overpower Vamp.
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Let’s say Vamp was equal to Raiden when he sent him flying with that kick. As you said, normally he’d tear through anything in his path but he didn’t. They’ve both shown to have huge strength but have physics within the world seem to ignore that by making it seem only mildly superhuman and don’t tell us how it wasn’t show.
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That points to the most likely reason for this; the makers at Konami were lazy and didn’t take real world physics into account and chose to follow what appeared to be really cool.
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Shown super strength, no reason told as to why it wasn’t following realistic mechanics.
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On a side note, I think I may have misused that trope I listed above.
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“He can predict movement on normal humans yes. Can he predict Blade’s movements is the question.”
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He’s predicted Raiden’s and he’s clearly superhuman. However, I’m not sure if he can predict Blade’s as he’s outdone Spiderman normally and vamped out which mean Blade’s got some massively supersonic reactions or it was PIS.
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Hard to tell at times with comics. Was Vampire!Spidey bloodlusted or anything?
“As for Vamp losing a limb, again, he can predict movement. He can take slashes that might only cut deep, then decide to use those fancy acrobatics to dodge limb cutting motions.”
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In addition to what Redrum said, an adamantium sword doesn’t really “cut deep” too much. Once the blade enters the body, it’s taking something with it.