Suggested by Sauroposeidon. Death Stinger image by BigHeavyRock.
A single Death Stinger from Zoids faces off against one Imperator Titan from Warhammer 40k. The battle ground is a post apocalyptic planet covered in wastelands, mountains, and dead oceans.
The Death Stinger (making it’s Factpile Debut) is a powerful creation of the Guylos Empire from the Zoids Series. The Imperator Titan is a giant frikkin robot from the Warhammer 40k series (which means it’s probably frikkin powerful as well). I don’t know if the Death Stinger has the size but it should be an interesting match.
Can the Death Stinger Scorpion Splash his way to victory? Or will the Imperator Titan squash it like a bug?
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I couldn’t find many feats for the stinger, but I know an imperator titan has ordinance that could flatten a city in one shot (and I’m referring to warhammer 40k cities), also Imperator titans have void shields out the yin-yang, so penetrating it is nigh impossible, sooo……yea I dunno where that puts the stinger which is almost hundreds of times smaller than the imerator.
This Death Stinger thing seems pretty tiny comparitively. And the firepower doesn’t look impressive either. As for durability, I’m not an expert on Zoid weapons, but it didn’t seem all that strong.
Well, the Death Stinger blew through a mountain range in the space of half an hour. I’ll try and find the video, but no promises.
@Hermit
Ok, sounds good. Yeah, the specifics of the mountain and such will be helpful for this one.
The death singer is notoriously tough with heavy armor and regenitive properties. It’s charged particle cannon is also tremendously powerful for it’s size and weight. Canonicly, the only thing that destroyed it was gravity based artillery fired from a cannon big enough to shoot mechs from.
That being said, I must say that the death singer is horribly outclassed. The imperator has more in common with the Death Saurer super-zoid than death singer. If it had been a smaller titan, such as a warhound or even a reaver, things might be a bit different but as it stands I can not see the death singer surviving this match.
Initial bets go to the Death Stinger, because face it, there’s no way in Tartarus that anything is meant to go against 40K unless it either has the smarts or the firepower or the prep required to take that 40K thing in question on and out!
I was a big fan of Zoids, and the Death Stinger was one of my favorites. But its regeneration and Charged Particle cannon might be its only saving grace. I don’t suppose it could scale and board the Titan to destroy it from the inside, could it?
Doubt it can get that close anyways.
What about speed? All that power and size would be pretty worthless if the Death Stinger is faster.
Depends on how fast the DS is, and what the Imperator is armed with. Megabolters might be slower than other sorts of arms, while a Volcano Cannon/Hellstorm (Titan scaled Lascannon) would be lightspeed and non-dodgeable. Turbo-Laser Destructors and Plasma Obliterators have a little more splash damage. Most Titans are also outfitted with missiles and other more conventional ordinance.
Question Admin, why did the heading for this match suddenly returned to the old FactPile heading for matches?
Arrhg, I can’t get the videos working.
I any case, look for the Zoids: Chaotic Century episode; The Giant Fortress.
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This is the only one I found working.
www.kumby.com/zoids-chaotic-century-episode-60/
This was originally going to be Shamblo vs Death Stinger, but I didn’t think it’d garner enough attention, and I know that Lancer is trying to get a Normandy vs Argama match up and I don’t want to keep flooding admin with competing gundam suggestions. I considered switching Stinger to Saurer, but the final version of the Saurer is just too much. The Imperator wouldn’t even be able to get in range. I know there’s a couple of huge zoids fans on the site that make my passing interest in the franchise look like out right apathy, so I hope you guys enjoy this.The Death Stinger is a bit of an under dog in this match, but it’s Particle Cannon is astonishingly powerful, fully capable of punching through entire mountain ranges from a safe distance away to get to a target.
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Death stinger has survived re-entry and impact with no damage, it is fairly quick, and able to burrow as fast as it runs and swims. A Death Stinger can use magma conduits to travel more quickly. The face mounted guns will be fairly useless but it’s real threat is the charged particle cannon, which unlike Imperator weaponry, actually does wipe out whole cities.. no idea what causes it to make city wide explosions instead of just carving a deep groove, as it does when not firing on a city. It is armed with a force field and regenerative properties if equipped with an Organoid. Biggest advantage for the Death Stinger here is how mobile it is while in the water, or when using magma. It becomes the equivalent of a flying unit if it can get the Imperator to fight in magma or ocean. Beyond this it’s surprisingly small, as large zoids still don’t get that large, with only the anime Ultrasaurus and Death Saurer being depicted as extremely huge and even then their sizes change depending on the scene. The Death Stinger suffers from this too but is usually depicted as being no larger than say a Reaver. It’d be able to burst from the ground and crawl on to the Imperator using tactics similar to how it attacked the Ultrasaurus in the anime. Question is if the Imperator can keep the Death Stinger off it. This fight mostly interested me once I suggested it because I’d read of how smaller Tyranids would attack much larger Titans in a similar manner, getting on them via ambush or mass attack and then hacking their way in to the machine.
@ Akuma
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I love that you cited the artist. A lot of deviant art or fan art in general gets used for character pictures on this site and I’m glad that the artists are finally getting some recognition.
I had forgotten how mobile the Death Stinger was. I had thought this was strictly a land battle.
Hm, then this does change my initial thoughts. Imperators are very rarely outfitted with CQC weapons, so it wouldn’t have much to use against the Stinger if it got close enough other than maybe step on it.
I believe Sauro has said it all.
For the people here who don’t believe him, see the video link I posted.
This looks like a rather successful debut for the Death Stinger. This pleases me.~
Can’t the Death Stinger fire almost all its guns at once? And alter the angle of the CP cannon when firing?
“This looks like a rather successful debut for the Death Stinger. This pleases me.~
Can’t the Death Stinger fire almost all its guns at once? And alter the angle of the CP cannon when firing?”
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Yes and yes, but it’s relatively easy to knock, so saturation fire could easily stun it in to being wildly inaccurate at extreme ranges if it’s trying to unload with every single gun. It also can’t fire the tail guns straight forward if also using the particle gun because they have to unfold away from it and sit at an angle in order to not be damaged by the gathering of charged particles.
I’m thinking if it really can get on or even inside the Titan, both the full salvo and the CP sweep could be fatal.
For limitations on Death Stinger armor, for the record, old battle comics on the web depicted them as being unable to with stand shots from the hybrid cannons on Liger Zero Panzers. The Death Stingers did not have their armor up. One was also ripped apart by a Gojulas Giga in melee combat, but the Giga was the most powerful zoid ever until the Seismosaurus came out. The Death Stinger’s joints are the weak point, as a blade liger was able to cut through them once Van in the anime got pissed enough to really use his skill to get in there fight for real. While it can regenerate these limbs at least once if organoid equipped, it is a sure fire way of slowing it down or crippling it briefly in order to deliver a kill shot before it can get the shields back up.
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Side note, I don’t know how strong the Hybrid Cannons are. I’ve never seen something not get knocked on its ass just from them passing by. Everything hit by them or caught in the corona effect gets put out of commission. More dedicated fans may be able to quantify its strength.
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“I’m thinking if it really can get on or even inside the Titan, both the full salvo and the CP sweep could be fatal.”
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I suspect it would not end well.
@Sauroposeidon: Thank you. I know how they feel seeing their work used without permission so at least I can point to their work to ensure they will be credited for.
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@Hermit: Beats me. But it looks to be fixed now.
@Judge AkumaTh
I best remember to do that for some of the artists at Zerochan, one of these days as I’m sure, alright?
WOW….I just fought this guy yesterday (Stinger) I’m going for him
Being a Zoids fan myself, I feel the need to clear a few things up.
First of all, the Battle Story specs VS the Anime specs. Anime Death Stinger is much MUCH stronger than it’s original story counterpart. I’m assuming Akuma is using the Anime Stinger, (Which is also many times larger than the model kit would indicate) so the Panzer battle in the arctic doesn’t technically count here.
ON THE OTHER HAND
Anime Death Stinger is also very slow as in-series, they clocked it moving at a rate of 40 kilometers per day. That’s way lower than what it’s original story version’s top speed is. (185.0 km/h)
That being said, I’m probably gonna go with Death Stinger on this one. The Imperator Titan looks to have about the same amount of firepower as a Gravity cannon-less Ultrasaurus. Which if I recall didn’t do a whole lot to the Death Stinger.
“The Imperator Titan looks to have about the same amount of firepower as a Gravity cannon-less Ultrasaurus. Which if I recall didn’t do a whole lot to the Death Stinger.”
-They have Plasma cannons that flatten cities in one shot. Missiles that tear holes in reality, 7-9 mega bolters(Gatling guns that fire artillery shells). Viod shields that have taken fortress destroying salvos.
So which are we using? Anime or Manga?
Looking at this fight pretty objectively (but being a slight fan of zoids), I would probably have to say that the Death Stinger takes this. If the city-destroying gun is to be believed, this means it has similar firepower to the Imperator. Also, as far as I know, surviving re-entry is pretty high-up in the defense department. How high, I don’t know. If it is faster, as seems to be the case, then the Imperator, then that is another advantage. However, it would be helpful to know just how tough the Imperator is.
“However, it would be helpful to know just how tough the Imperator is.”
-The Augmentautus Rex on Orestes(Titanicus) had concentrated fire from 5-6 (maybe one or two more) Warlord titans just to drop its shield. Then it took ten minutes of sustained fire to finally drop it. It took out 3 titans while its shields were down.
“-The Augmentautus Rex on Orestes(Titanicus) had concentrated fire from 5-6 (maybe one or two more) Warlord titans just to drop its shield. Then it took ten minutes of sustained fire to finally drop it. It took out 3 titans while its shields were down.”
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Yield? What kind of power is this?
“Yield? What kind of power is this?”
-Quake Cannon is a gigantic artillery piece mounted on Imperial Titans and Super-Heavy tanks. The Quake Cannon is used to engage targets at extreme range.
-Plasma Destructors are vast Plasma Weapons, second only in size to the Plasma Annihilator. They are mounted on Imperial Titans and provide heavy firepower over a larger area than other weapons due to their ability to fire multiple times in a row.(Annihilator is on the Imperator)
-The Turbo-Laser Destructor is a potent laser-based energy weapon typically mounted on Imperial Titans, but employed elsewhere in the Imperium on other super-heavy vehicles. Typically mounted in groups of two or three to inflict as much damage as possible(Warlord has dual)
-Apocalypse Missile Launcher is a huge weapon usually found mounted on Imperial Titans and other Super-Heavy vehicles. The weapon consists of multiple missile-tubes capable of launching an immense barrage of explosive fire.
-^Lexicanum.
^Forgot one
“Volcano Cannon is amongst the most powerful laser cannon used by ground forces . Only extremely large machines, namely Imperial Titans and super-heavy tanks, can wield it in battle. It is primarily meant to target huge objects and obliterate them with a single shot. Such targets usually include other war-machine or Titan-sized opponents.”
-Lexicanum.
^They live up to their name really well.
@Atma
“Anime Death Stinger is also very slow as in-series, they clocked it moving at a rate of 40 kilometers per day.”
Uh, was that a typo? Did I just see “40 kilometres PER DAY?”
God, that’s immensely slow. I think a man walking could be faster than that…
If that WASN’T a typo the Imperator wins for sure. No way you can miss something that big and moving that damn slow. Besides, I think the Imperator can one-shot the Death Stinger through city-busting cannons and reality-shredding missile volleys.
The only saving grace of the Stinger would be the ability to burrow underground and its speed, and with that god awful speed – I don’t think so.
Huh.
In that case, this may very well be a stomp with both Stingers. Might have to bump it up to the Death Stinger ZS. (Zarka Special) Which can regenerate and spawn copies from it’s discarded armor pieces.
@ Tau
There are no known Titan weapons which actually one shot entire cities. Canantra estimated the Volcano Gun at around 5mt, but it’s a DET style weapon. The Plasma Annihilator makes explosions “hundreds of meters” in size. It’s strong enough to one shot warlords. Estimated fire power needed to leave a Titan’s core vulnerable is anywhere from 1 Megaton to 15 Megatons. This is based on measurements taken from an explosion involving a warlord, and the fact that one self destructing on an Imperator reveals it’s core to attack.
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@ Maelstrom
The Death Stinger moves faster than 40km a day. I have no idea where he got that information.
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@Atma
ZS is a little OP, don’t you think?
“Huh.
In that case, this may very well be a stomp with both Stingers. Might have to bump it up to the Death Stinger ZS. (Zarka Special) Which can regenerate and spawn copies from it’s discarded armor pieces”
-Plasma Annihilator rounds can literally glass 2 city blocks easily. It has a rather impressive AoE.
“This is based on measurements taken from an explosion involving a warlord, and the fact that one self destructing on an Imperator reveals it’s core to attack.”
-In said occurrence the Imperator survived the reactor going critical at point blank range. I took a Reaver’s salvo, and a Warlord’s Chainfist to punch through the weakened Adimantium.
You probably know this I’m saying it for those who don’t.
“You probably know this I’m saying it for those who don’t.”
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I did explicitly state that it only exposed the core, not that it destroyed it. I haven’t actually found any information on the limit of the core, since it’s not exactly easy to quantify the chainfist.
“I did explicitly state that it only exposed the core, not that it destroyed it. I haven’t actually found any information on the limit of the core, since it’s not exactly easy to quantify the chainfist.”
-Could we work out by putting it on a ratio to a space marine one?
Since it is a powerfist with a bayonet-like chainsaw on it. We’ll work from there?
A powerfist is a gauntlet that is wrapped in a energy field that disrupts solid matter, for starters. In the hands of a Terminator it can tear space marine-grade tanks to pieces.
Based on the picture of the Titian it would seem that Death Stingers primary advantage is the fact that it can get under the Titian causing it to fall by unbalancing it.
Lacking anything resembling hands If one or more of it’s legs gets trapped under ground the Titian becomes immobile and somewhat vulnerable.
“Since it is a powerfist with a bayonet-like chainsaw on it. We’ll work from there?
A powerfist is a gauntlet that is wrapped in a energy field that disrupts solid matter, for starters. In the hands of a Terminator it can tear space marine-grade tanks to pieces.”
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With out knowing the exact mechanics of how it does what it does I can’t really be certain of anything, but I can say with some certainty that it probably isn’t a linear scale. Being x% bigger does not make it x% stronger. It’s probably -much- stronger than that.
Sauro, mind making a match with 00 Gundams inside?
I’ve suggested one before. The Gundam Meisters vs Legio Astorum, I think it was. They’re such tough bastards that finding appropriate opponents for them is difficult.
we need a few C&C marches… anyone agree with me?
Which Gundam Generation? Seeing as Exia’s would get stomped but 00 Raiser and Qan(T) would be a little one-sided.
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Remember the Gadelza? It would probably solo a Titan legion within a few seconds.
Yeah the Gadeleza or however it’s spelled is rather strong. I was thinking of 00, Harute, Zabanya, and either Raphael or Seravee. We don’t really get to see much on Raphael although it supposedly can MAKE a Seravee it never seemed to display the battle abilities of the original. Shame Tieria was never a good enough pilot to bring out his Gundam’s potential. Maybe pitting them against the Death Stinger ZS would be a good idea.
we should get a few Lost Planet 2 Vital Suits vs other mechs… that would be a good match…
OBD did a gauntlet for the Gadelaza. It stomped nearly every mobile armour from UC because of its 146 Fangs. Scary beast. It also took down every gundam from S2 in a simulation conducted by Tiera.
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Harute’s pretty beast. It’s RT and speed is off the charts. Zabanya is the new king of beam and missile spam. Too bad Raphael didn’t have a good showing…
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What can the DSZS do?
The ZS does everything the first one does but doesn’t need an organoid equipped to heal and can clone itself.
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“OBD did a gauntlet for the Gadelaza. It stomped nearly every mobile armour from UC because of its 146 Fangs. Scary beast. It also took down every gundam from S2 in a simulation conducted by Tiera.”
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I don’t normally trust other sites with out going over the match up first, but the thing is a beast with all those fangs. It’s literally an entire battle group all by itself and very little can actually fend that off when by their lonesome.
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“Harute’s pretty beast. It’s RT and speed is off the charts. Zabanya is the new king of beam and missile spam. Too bad Raphael didn’t have a good showing…”
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I don’t know if i want to say Zabanya is the king of beam spam. Yes it can get a lot of beams out, but it’s really more of a precision long range attack model since the majority of its beams come from bits, which are traditionally beyond long range weaponry. I think the only reason we see so much spammage is because it’s almost impossible to miss in the scenario we were given, and concentrated attacks were needed to bring down the larger ELS. As for the Raphael… it almost seems like a joke for Tieria to lose, now, since he was so about winning in the beginning and had to learn that no one is perfect. Now that he’s beyond death he seems all too willing to sacrifice his machine. While he may have been their weakest link with Seraphee, his getting shot down in the end was a calculated move which allowed him to eventually take veda away.. Raphael was like Gadeleza.. and seemed to just exist to show off how powerful the ELS are. Such a shameful waste of a good mech.
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“we should get a few Lost Planet 2 Vital Suits vs other mechs… that would be a good match…”
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Go for it.
Gadelaza was actually made to take out fleets on its own. Which explains its amped up weaponry. It even took out full powered 00 Raiser in the Veda simulation. In the manga however, I think it was converted into ELS form along with Descartes. It took Graham sacrifice his unit to destroy it.
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The match in the OBD was pretty balanced. No biasness as nearly everyone there knew their stuff about UC.
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Surprisingly, the Commander Braves used by Graham’s unit was pretty strong. I admit I teared a little when Graham sacrificed his life for humanity. They would make some pretty good matches too.
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Tieria apparently doesn’t care about his physical body now. -_-
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I wonder what gundam or mecha would be a good match for Harute/Marute…
“Surprisingly, the Commander Braves used by Graham’s unit was pretty strong. I admit I teared a little when Graham sacrificed his life for humanity. They would make some pretty good matches too.”
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Graham was with out a doubt my favorite character in the show, challenged only by Ali Al-Sachez. Graham was a worthy Char clone, and I knew it when he claimed a Gundam’s sword as his trophy. Watching him struggle with his obsession only to be defeated not due to skill but superior mechanical design of Setsuna’s gundam made me really root for him. They never quite let us know who was supposed to be the better pilot, but it certainly seemed like it was Graham. I would have liked to have seen him fight Ali, since they appeared to be the two best pilots in the show. It’s such a shame that they killed Graham.. and in the movie in such a throw away fashion, no less! At least his squad made it, and they can carry on his legacy in any future installments.
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“Tieria apparently doesn’t care about his physical body now. -_-”
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Unless you count the Gundam Raphael as his body, then I don’t think he actually has one.
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“I wonder what gundam or mecha would be a good match for Harute/Marute…”
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Usually 40k stuff is a fairly good benchmark. Or something from Macross. I once suggested Ozma vs Graham, actually. Once in Marute mode, though, I don’t know of any fighters right off the top of my head that can compete. Especially if it Trans-Am’s. Even the Lucifer from Macross Frontier can’t keep up with it.
Well, the first 3 in terms of capability EOS in S1 was Ali, Graham and Hallelujah or Setsuna. In S2, it was Ribbons, Setsuna and Graham. Movie-wise, Setsuna, Graham and Hallelujah/Allelujah. Ali kinda dropped compared to the rest in S2 since Graham and Setsuna respectively improved vastly but he stayed at the same level. Ribbons, by WOG is the best pilot in the whole series and he only lost due to him being rusty. As shown when he was using a G1 Gundam against Exia, a G3 and still equalising with him. Which is why he’s called evil Amuro especially since they have the same voice-actor.
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Actually, while Tieria was piloting Raphael, he had a physical body. He cloned an extra one and inserted his consciousness inside, like an AI.
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Marute was just crazy-powerful. It showed me just why Hallelujah/Allelujah and Marie should not be underestimated.
“Ali kinda dropped compared to the rest in S2 since Graham and Setsuna respectively improved vastly but he stayed at the same level. ”
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I seem to recall Ali winning every single fight he was in regardless of who he fought, even if it was Setsuna and Tieria at the same time. The only reason he even lost to Lockon was because his Gundam was forcibly shut down.
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“Actually, while Tieria was piloting Raphael, he had a physical body. He cloned an extra one and inserted his consciousness inside, like an AI.”
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I must have missed that.
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“Marute was just crazy-powerful. It showed me just why Hallelujah/Allelujah and Marie should not be underestimated.”
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I actually missed the scissor bits the first time through they’re so damned fast. Scary stuff. I still like Seravee more, though.
Maybe Gundam types against various Godzillaverse Kaiju?
Ali remained good, but it was clear that he was no longer one of the top dogs. S2 Setsuna was taking him on while injured IIRC and still schooled him. Their suits were near equal at that time too as the 00 didn’t have the 0 Raiser at that time.
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Yep. That’s why the rest of the Meisters looked so surprised. Tieria even explained how he got back a body.
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Same here really. I had to watch it a second time before realising it was his bits slicing through the ELS MSes. Methinks it’s probably the most powerful gundam next to Setsuna’s EOS thanks to the Marute system.
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Did you know that every unit in the movie’s epilogue had a true GN drive? A fodder unit, but piloted by an ace in the manga who had turned innovated even had the quantum teleporting system.
“Based on the picture of the Titian it would seem that Death Stingers primary advantage is the fact that it can get under the Titian causing it to fall by unbalancing it.
Lacking anything resembling hands If one or more of it’s legs gets trapped under ground the Titian becomes immobile and somewhat vulnerable.”
-The Titan is made form(what I think is) harder metal, has shields that can take fortress cracking salvos.
@Sauro do we REALLY need to do the whole “it doesn’t really bust cities in a shot” thing again? I have literally around a dozen quotes saying that titans bust cities, so lets not do this again. And besides, 3 or 4 km tall Imperator if we so choose :p
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However, if the DS is really as slow as I have heard in this battle then it should be doomed, as it would be unable to tank the attack for long, let alone should vortex missiles be used.
@Deus
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The height doesn’t change the fire power. I would normally suggest going with the smaller variants for cover purposes but the Death Stinger can just dig through cover so it’s not an issue here. As for the fire power, we don’t need to go over it except for those who weren’t present when I was trying to figure out the yields, although the plasma annihilator still irks me due to the fact that nothing about it acts like plasma, so it’s hard to figure out what’s going on.
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The DS doesn’t move at 40 kilometers a day, I don’t know where that figure came from. It’s closer to the 200kph region I think. give or take 20kph, I don’t recally. Which, even if only 150kph, would still give it 3600 kilometers in a day.
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Unrelated note. Your opinion on the Empire Steam Tank?
I like the Empire Steam tank
At the time I was still considering which WHF army to go with. I now have two tanks, so the given opinion is a little late, but I’m happy with them.
“However, if the DS is really as slow as I have heard in this battle then it should be doomed, as it would be unable to tank the attack for long, let alone should vortex missiles be used.”
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Titans are capable of tagging supersonic aircraft with their guns even if the DS was as fast as Sauro says for bonus points
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But yeah I agree with what others have said, the DS’ best shot is to burrow underground and try to attack it in melee, but given its speed (enough to be taggable) and the Imperator dishes out and tanks attacks that make even the Tsar Bomba look downright pitiful let alone the Vortex Missiles