Here we have the Arbiter from Halo going up against everyone’s favourite geth Legion.
For this battle Legion will have his Widow rifle and a standard rifle. The Arbiter will have a covenant beam rifle, plamsa rifle and 2 plasma grenades.
The battle will take place in Drydock from Gears of War and the Arbiter will spawn Pier spawn area whilst Legion will spawn in the Cargo spawn area. There will be no weapons on the map.
Who wins?
Initial bets with Legion
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I do slightly dislike that the arbiter doesn’t get his Plasma sword.
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However, my money is on the Arbiter on this fight. Mass effects shields only stop mass and while this will stop the beams and bolts themselves it will not stop the heat of those shots which splash over legion and that will cause significant damage. On the other hand, the arbiters shields, while weaker than a spartans, are still reasonably strong and will stop incoming shots from mass effects weapons.
@Canatara
I was comsidering but I went with the plasma rifle instead.
No Energy Sword=Hard ass fight. He needs it for the battle to be equalised.
I noticed the Arbiter gets two grenades while Legion doesn’t get any. They should be useful in making Legion get out of cover. From my understanding, ME shields are gravity based, so they should be able to repel the grenades, I think. As for the sniper part of this match, I’m kinda leaning towards Legion since he’s an actual sniper, whereas the Arbiter is more of a swordsman/mid range rifleman.
I never played Halo, does the arbiter have some form of sickening durability feats?
Because if not, that Widow will likely obliterate him if it even grazes his foot.
Also, is that “Standard rifle” an avenger? Geth Pulse rifle? Anything short of a Revenant/Striker/Falcon/ other overly badass piece of mayhem inducing carnageinflictor?
Arbiter shields are probably just a few shades less than mk4 mjolnir, which would still place them in low megajoules for low end, and if we take some high ends probably high double digit megajoules (like brutes from harvest).
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If I remember correctly though from other ME threads the ME energy from their weapons shouldnt have enough to oneshot Halo shields. The armour beneath the shields isn’t exactly fragile either and elites are rather solidly built. Far more so than a human.
The only way for the Arbiter to win if he manages to stick his 2 plasma grenades on Legion. Or if he manages to get in a good head-shot in with his beam rifle.
I was under the impression Halo weaponry was sub-par even by modern standards with the shields being highly penetrable for the most part?
Smaller ME weaponry (pistols) is capable of headshots that completely remove everything above the shoulder, and the only two things that limit the speed of Mass accelerator particles is the length of the accelerator and the amount of recoil you want to put up with. The widow is a very big gun with recoil that breaks the arm of any normal human firing it, it’s usually only employed against military vehicles and Krogan.
Halo weapons are sub-par in range and accuracy, for the most part. Covy weapons though tend to have a lot of damage behind them.
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You should have a look in the halo vs ME thread for ME weapon numbers. They’re a tad low to contend with decent shields. Totally lethal against hard targets due to small size and energy present, but size inst an issue for energy shields, only total energy present.
“but size inst an issue for energy shields, only total energy present.”
Point taken.
Has it been established whether or not ME technology is compatible with Halo technology? As in hacking, disabling computerdriven shields and/or weaponry of even unfamiliar and potentially vastly superior designs (read: Reapers) is a pretty standard trick in ME, and there is arguably none better at it than Legion. Are the shields computeroperated?
The computer would have to be linked to an external communicator and use a system that legion understood. So it is very unlikely that legion could hack the arbiters shields.
Any idea how powerful the Covenant particle beam rifle is?
Well, it can one or two shot spartan shields, so 8-9megajoules?
Weren’t Covie shields shown to be taken down by regular assault rifles in Halo Reach cutscene?
Shouldn’t The Widow be enough to bring it down?
As of ME 3, here the current list of abilities of a Geth Infiltrator
Tactical Cloak, Proximity Mine, Hunter Mode, Networked AI, Advanced Hardware.
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Hunter mode (increases speed/offesive capabilities/see through stuff), Cloak+Mine+self explanatory, Network AI boost weapons and powers, and advanced hardware boost shields.
“Shouldn’t The Widow be enough to bring it down?”
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I agree. The widow is anti-light armor rifle with enough recoil to shatter a human arm thus we know it has heavy recoil behind it.
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Besides that Legion does have his drones which will harass Arby and explode when destroyed. We should also factor in ammo types since Legion would technically have access to those as well.
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I’m going with Legion. He holds the most powerful sniper rifle in Mass Effect and I don’t Arby’s shield could take even one of those.
“Besides that Legion does have his drones which will harass Arby and explode when destroyed.”
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Right forgot about his drone. Those things tend to shock and stun people and explode when damage to much. Which addition to it being capable of being deployed right right behind a someone from a distance should be a pretty effect decoy.
“pretty effect decoy”
“Cloak+Mine+self explanatory”
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Effective decoy.
Cloak+Mine=self explanatory
Legion should have this. In the novels the shields of Elites have been known in most cases to break after only two shot from an assault rifle or even a magnum side arm. Though the beam rifle is classified as an anti-material weapon , we don’t have much feats in the way of it. In any case Legion’s weapons should be enough to completely decimate the Arbiter if even one round lands a mark on him. The plasma grenade should do something to Legion, maybe EMP or just extreme heat ?
I’ve been on a debate about covenant weapons (I was supporting chief who had covenant weapons on another forum)
The Particle Beam rifle as it suggest is a gun that shoots ionized particles which have the ability to go through cover
halo.wikia.com/wiki/Type-50_Sniper_Rifle_System
A near miss would ruin your day a solid hit would fuck you up if you were unfortunate not to get shot in any vital area’s
Legion reduces the Arbiter to chunky salsa with his Widow, the one made to take out tanks through their kinetic barriers.
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I have seen calcs that put the power behind it equal to that of a main battle tank, and others much higher.
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@Cananatra it is a bit misleading to say that the beam rifle does 8-9mj based on gameplay mechanics where the shields obviously aren’t anywhere near that high. And besides, the shields aren’t always the same power.
“@Cananatra it is a bit misleading to say that the beam rifle does 8-9mj based on gameplay mechanics where the shields obviously aren’t anywhere near that high. And besides, the shields aren’t always the same power.”
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I agree especially since in the novels the Elite shields vary in how much damage they can take and are significantly less powerful then in game where they can take damn near an entire clip from the MA5C. In the novels we’ve seen Elite shields dropped and them killed with a single burst from the assault rifle.
@midnite
lol srsyly?
a burst from a MA5C?
Why the fuck do people say gears of war weapons would take a lot of shots to take the shields down of an elite?
“lol srsyly?
a burst from a MA5C?
Why the fuck do people say gears of war weapons would take a lot of shots to take the shields down of an elite?”
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They base it off of in-game happening and what MC can take neglecting the fact that MC’s shield is superior to Elite shielding hence why all Spartan;s who fall in battle are set to explode to prevent the tech from getting into Covenant hands.
Plus we’ve seen shields dropped from a single kick from the chief.
Hell we have seen Elite shields dropped by a single round from the Halo 1 pistol, so quite the disparity.
A few instances of GI Heavy melee and at 3:35 shows they can do the same with fist as well.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFMmz4RgRBY
Halo technology is severly outdated, at the same time way ahead of its time. The UNSC technology of weaponry (except laser) and vehicles is inferior to modern technology, except for its cruisers. Super Soldiers sound outdated as well, people should’ve thought of an alternative by the year 2525.
The whole concept of populating on planets though it extremely ahead, as well as the Spartan Laser. You might think the laser is weak, but trust me, laser is useless in smoke, fog, mist, etc, and yet they have managed to use it as an effective weapon.
The Halo itself is reasonable. Anything that could wipe out an entire universe is pure power and devastation.
That said, Mass Effect technology is TOO FAR ahead of its time. Do you really believe that we will discover other planets and relays in the year 2186? Hell, people thought that we would have flying cars and galactic civilizations back in the 1900s. And look at us now, in 2012, we’ve barely changed technology massively, except for entertainment purposes and a slight dent in war.
@GT98
lol dude -_- have you ever played mass effect 1?
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In 2148, human explorers on Mars uncovered a long-ruined Prothean observation post, with a surviving data cache that proved Protheans had studied Cro-Magnon humans millennia ago. While religions tried to assimilate this discovery into their doctrine, a global rush began to decipher the petabytes of data from the outpost. Discovering information on a mass relay orbiting Pluto, explorers managed to open the Charon Relay and discovered it led to Arcturus. With the help of the fledgling Systems Alliance, humans expanded to other systems, opening any mass relays they could find.
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“That said, Mass Effect technology is TOO FAR ahead of its time. Do you really believe that we will discover other planets and relays in the year 2186?”
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Well for the human it was. All the other species where doing for a while. Humans of the verse kind of got lucky.
One rich guy apparently tried the whole deep space thing before the mass effect tech using cryogenic freezing around 2070. Didn’t end well, they got stuck on some planet until the descendants were recently found.
@Lowk I assume you are referring to the colonization of Alpha Centauri? I got a kick out of it.
Seeing as how the Type-50 Sniper Rifle System is a particle beam weapon, how are Legion’s kinetic barriers supposed to stop something that can shoot at the speed of light?
Both have weapons that can one shot each other. Legion has the advantage of durability and reaction time, but his respective “one-shot” weapon fires slower than Thel’s. Thel also has a cloaoking ability.
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All in all, I say it is whoever gets the other in their scope first, and depending on various factors, it could easily be either one.
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I say tie.
“Thel also has a cloaoking ability.”
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Currently Cloaking is apart of the Geth Infiltrators ability, Also Geth they Hunter mode that let’s them see there opponents even through walls.
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“Seeing as how the Type-50 Sniper Rifle System is a particle beam weapon, how are Legion’s kinetic barriers supposed to stop something that can shoot at the speed of light?”
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Well collectors used particle beam weapons. they’re stated to be effective against shields but they seem to require continual fire to bring down the shields.
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Legion also has the Geth thing going on. They have that hiding and ambush tactic thing going on, Geth don’t really need to move, can fold up to fit any place, jamming or hiding from detection tends to be among one of there methods of battle, don’t require food/rest/air so he can afford to be patient to wait for the proper moment to strike. Plus he’s a sniper, those things together are pretty dangerous especially if starting from a good distance away.
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Also don’t Geth tend to survive being shot to the ground at highspeed as a means of deploying troops. That’s a durability feat I think.
However that could be useful if Legion climbed the tallest building and waited for Arby to get close then did a swan dive into a heavy melee…. Okay, maybe that’s not something Legion would try.
“Currently Cloaking is apart of the Geth Infiltrators ability, Also Geth they Hunter mode that let’s them see there opponents even through walls.”
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But those aren’t LEGION’s abilities. Legion is a unique platform all his own, and already has a list of powers that are specifically his own.
“But those aren’t LEGION’s abilities. Legion is a unique platform all his own, and already has a list of powers that are specifically his own.”
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Geth as of ME 3 currently have gained those abilities. Specifically Infiltrators, the class Legion is apart of. It’s not like Geth aren’t known to have been evolving and updating.
I think Legion was only unique in personality/sentience.
“Legion also has the Geth thing going on. They have that hiding and ambush tactic thing going on, Geth don’t really need to move, can fold up to fit any place, jamming or hiding from detection tends to be among one of there methods of battle, don’t require food/rest/air so he can afford to be patient to wait for the proper moment to strike”
but sir, they got flashlight heads
“but sir, they got flashlight heads”
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lol. Pretty sure they can turn those off or at least dim them…
idk i just saw you comment and it reminded me of the conversation with willams from ME1
“idk i just saw you comment and it reminded me of the conversation with willams from ME1″
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I think that might have been were I got that idea about them.
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“I agree. The widow is anti-light armor rifle with enough recoil to shatter a human arm thus we know it has heavy recoil behind it.”
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That is a less than useful comparison. It takes less than 18 joules to break that bone. Now that is cushioned somewhat by the ability of the arm to move but not so much that you’ll be getting megajoules out of it. Even modern anti-material rifles are still in the relatively low kilojoules so Megajoules is not required for its purpose.
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“Besides that Legion does have his drones which will harass Arby and explode when destroyed.”
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I assume you have some calculations for the energy discharge and can show it would do more than skitter off an elites shield?
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“@Cananatra it is a bit misleading to say that the beam rifle does 8-9mj based on gameplay mechanics where the shields obviously aren’t anywhere near that high. And besides, the shields aren’t always the same power.”
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I was actually referring to how in the books no covenant weapon system for ground troops can reliably one-shot a Spartan (even fuel rod guns struggle against mk4). In the book the shields are easily that high and rise far higher as the timeline and improved Mjolnir systems are devised.
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“I agree especially since in the novels the Elite shields vary in how much damage they can take and are significantly less powerful then in game where they can take damn near an entire clip from the MA5C. In the novels we’ve seen Elite shields dropped and them killed with a single burst from the assault rifle.”
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That’s power creep for you. In the initial books MC could take out elites with less than a full clip, though a luck factor did seem to be involved in that. In later novels brute shields withstood significantly more and brutes canonically got less advanced technology than elites.
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“Currently Cloaking is apart of the Geth Infiltrators ability”
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Don’t forget, apparently elites have access to motion sensors. We even see a grunt on guard given a hand-held one once.
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“Legion also has the Geth thing going on. They have that hiding and ambush tactic thing going on, Geth don’t really need to move, can fold up to fit any place, jamming or hiding from detection tends to be among one of there methods of battle, don’t require food/rest/air so he can afford to be patient to wait for the proper moment to strike. Plus he’s a sniper, those things together are pretty dangerous especially if starting from a good distance away.”
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Dont forget the field of play is a rather limited size.
Widow one shots the Arbiter.
Legion wouldn’t miss.
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Again, claiming shields anywhere even close to 30mJ for Master Chief is utterly laughable. I’ll re-use an older post of mine:
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“A three-round burst ricocheted off the MJOLNIR armor’s energy shield. The shield’s recharge bar flickered a hairbreadth.
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The three remaining Marines opened fire—spraying bullets in a full-auto fusillade. Bullets pinged off the Master Chief’s shield. The shield status indicator blinked and dropped with each bullet impact—the sustained weapons fire was draining the shield precipitously. John tucked and rolled, narrowly avoiding an incoming burst of automatic-weapons fire, then sprang at the nearest Marine.”
Pg.236 FoR
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A three round burst from an assault rifle causes the shield bar to noticeably flicker. Sustained fire from three marines causes the shield to drain, and is enough of a threat to prompt Master Chief to start dodging. This alone contradicts the idea that Master Chief’s shields are thirty megajoules, as if they were it would have taken literally dozens of bullets, or more, hitting the shield to cause it to drain by even a millimeter.
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www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo3/Screenshots/Halo3_MP_Isolation_1st-01.jpg
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That is the length of his re-charge bar, if a three round burst drained it by a ‘hair’s bredth’ there is no way that the Chief’s shields are thirty megajoules.
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Also, from First Strike:
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Halo: First Strike pg 12-14
“That would risk nitrogen embolisms for his Spartans, but they were coming in at terminal velocity , which for a fullt loaded Spartan was-he quickly calculated-130 meters per second. They had to overpressurize the cushioning gel or their organs would be crushed against the impervious MJOLNIR armor when they hit. The acknowledgment lights winked again… although Fred sensed a slight hesitation.”
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“One hundred meters to go. His shield flickered as he brushed the tops of the tallest of the trees.
He took a deep breath, exhaled deeply as he could, grabbed his knees, and tucked into a ball. he overrode the hydrostatic system and overpressurized the gel surrounding his body. A thousand tiny knives stabbed him-pain unlike any he’d experienced since the SPARTAN-II program had surgically altered him.
The MJOLNIR armor’s shields flared as he broke through branches-then drained in one sudden burst as he impacted dead-center on a thick tree trunk. He smashed through it like an armored missile.”
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Hitting a tree at a velocity of 130m/s completely drained his shields. This event was calculated multiple times to be 4.5 – 5mJ. Nowhere near 30mJ. The person who did the 30mJ calcs, Reaper273, openly admitted that the calculations were based on a number of assumptions, and they also happen to be contradicted by the same books where he gets his information.
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And then there is hilarious stuff like this, from First Strike Pg 372:
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“The Brute tackled John, knocking his weapon from his grasp. Even with his MJOLNIR armour, John was not as strong as the alien.
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It pounded on him with bare fists, broke through his shielding, grabbed his neck and squeezed.”
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Brutes do not have supersonic fists.
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The point being, claiming that Master Chief’s shields are 30mJ is blatant cherry-picking (and especially hilarious when you can cherry-pick low-end examples like the one above).
(I know that this thread is about the Arbiter, just wanted to clear that up).
Brutes are god-strong you know? They can thrash an Elite in physical strength whom in turn is stronger than a Spartan-II
As for calculating the Widow, The_Man_with_the_Answers (aka superiorarsenel) posted a specific thread on SB asking the same question. The estimates were… pretty high, to say the least.
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forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=217611
“Brutes are god-strong you know? They can thrash an Elite in physical strength whom in turn is stronger than a Spartan-II”
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Right, so care to quantify that? Since people here are apparently claiming that Master Chief’s shields are enough to repel tank rounds, I want proof of supersonic fists for the Brutes. Otherwise, megajoules just went out the window.
“A three round burst from an assault rifle causes the shield bar to noticeably flicker. Sustained fire from three marines causes the shield to drain, and is enough of a threat to prompt Master Chief to start dodging. This alone contradicts the idea that Master Chief’s shields are thirty megajoules, as if they were it would have taken literally dozens of bullets, or more, hitting the shield to cause it to drain by even a millimeter.”
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I’m really starting to get used to your idiocy. You don’t seem to be able to keep up with any debates. 30 megajoules is not from the old armour, it is the stats from the newest armour. You have quoted the oldest shield design used by Mjolnir to disprove the newest shield system. Can you see the problem there? Next, flicker. You seem to think that the refresh rate on a screen is only visible if you, for some reason, heavily tax the system. Any change in the shield updated onto a visual display will show some sort of “flicker”. Additionally, as MC can see and react far faster than a normal person, he’d actually be more likely to notice a smaller flicker. If he went to watch a movie in a cinema he’d probably get up and leave with a headache due to a comparatively slow 24 frames per second. Next, three fully automatic weapons firing are of course going to strain a shield. Its being hit faster than it can refresh, only an idiot would stand still and take it. Crucially though, as the shield did not fail and the amount of damage was not stated we do not know exactly how much it dropped. However later when he is strafed by the aircraft cannons mean that the shield is in the megajoule range.
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“That is the length of his re-charge bar, if a three round burst drained it by a ‘hair’s bredth’ there is no way that the Chief’s shields are thirty megajoules.”
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Ah yes, game mechanics, the crutch of the idiot. You also assume the shield graph is completely linear which was never stated. Also, we know gameplay shields are weaker than in the fluff, so yet another point against you.
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“Hitting a tree at a velocity of 130m/s completely drained his shields. This event was calculated multiple times to be 4.5 – 5mJ. Nowhere near 30mJ. The person who did the 30mJ calcs, Reaper273, openly admitted that the calculations were based on a number of assumptions, and they also happen to be contradicted by the same books where he gets his information.”
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Did you ignore the start of your own quote?
“His shield flickered as he brushed the tops of the tallest of the trees.”
“The MJOLNIR armor’s shields flared as he broke through branches”
So what is this? His shields where already draining from multiple impacts? I’m sure you never considered that. Also, what type of tree? Was it a softwood with few branches or a hardwood with many branches? Taking it as a birch would have a tiny energy while a redwood would have a stupidly high one, and that’s once again ignoring all the branches he hit. In short, that calculation could either easily support the low calcs (which are around 8MJ) or support potentially gigajoule shields if you went with stupidly high end variables. You disproved nothing with it.
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“Brutes do not have supersonic fists.”
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MC can shatter concrete targets with a punch. A brute is several times stronger than MC, Is at least as fast if they can actually strike on an even footing, is larger and far far heavier and you seem to assume they punch with all the force of a wet paper bag? Additionally pounded suggests several hits as opposed to just one.
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While those events need to be taken into account, they do not mean he has shit shields. Especially coming from someone like you who cant even figure that sort of stuff out for himself and relies upon picking points from posts you discover across the web.
“ I want proof of supersonic fists for the Brutes. Otherwise, megajoules just went out the window.”
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Ah, again with the aul burden of proof fallacy from whatthecell, along with of course a red herring. You claimed the brute attacks are weak. We don’t have to prove they are strong, you have to prove they are weak. You made the initial claim, you provide the proof.
“You have quoted the oldest shield design used by Mjolnir to disprove the newest shield system. Can you see the problem there?”
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So, how much more powerful exactly is the newest version of Mjolnir? I’m sure you could provide that information.
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“Ah yes, game mechanics, the crutch of the idiot.”-
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Game mechanics refers to stuff like, say, the amount of bullets it takes for a few bullets to drain a shield, not the length of the bar (which is visuals).
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“MC can shatter concrete targets with a punch. A brute is several times stronger than MC, Is at least as fast if they can actually strike on an even footing, is larger and far far heavier and you seem to assume they punch with all the force of a wet paper bag?”-
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‘Wet paper bag’? Please quote the *exact moment* in my post where I used the words ‘wet paper bag.’ Specifically. Thank you, that would be great.
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The point is, there is no evidence that they punch with megajoules of energy.
“So, how much more powerful exactly is the newest version of Mjolnir? I’m sure you could provide that information.”
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Almost exactly three times more powerful if I remember correctly.
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“Game mechanics refers to stuff like, say, the amount of bullets it takes for a few bullets to drain a shield, not the length of the bar (which is visuals).”
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The length of the bar is a game mechanic. Hell its gets smaller between halo1 and halo2 while canonically the shields increase in strength.
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“Wet paper bag’? Please quote the *exact moment* in my post where I used the words ‘wet paper bag.’ Specifically. Thank you, that would be great”
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Nice try on diverting the point, but not quite good enough
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“The point is, there is no evidence that they punch with megajoules of energy.”
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Funnily enough, there is evidence the punch with megajoules of energy (or can at least punch often enough to equal it). You see, they punched down megajoule shields, there you go, your proof.
“Almost exactly three times more powerful if I remember correctly.”
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Unfortunately, ‘if I remember correctly’ is not proper evidence.
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“The length of the bar is a game mechanic. Hell its gets smaller between halo1 and halo2 while canonically the shields increase in strength.”
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That really has nothing to do with game mechanics, just because it got smaller doesn’t mean it got weaker.
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“Nice try on diverting the point, but not quite good enough”
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Hey, I can pick on semantics too you know.
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“Funnily enough, there is evidence the punch with megajoules of energy (or can at least punch often enough to equal it). You see, they punched down megajoule shields, there you go, your proof.”
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Circular logic fallacy. Try again.
Legion for fact pile award via sniping
anybody else agrees?
“Dont forget the field of play is a rather limited size.”
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Looks pretty big
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“Don’t forget, apparently elites have access to motion sensors. We even see a grunt on guard given a hand-held one once.”
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That’s why I brought up the being capable of hiding out wait to ambush via motionlessness. Waiting to ambush. He’s also the drone would also act as a good decoy here for the motion sensor.
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Legion also could outlast Arby till he got hungry, thirsty, and fatigued searching. Unless there food or something around. Then strike while he’s weakened. How long can Arby stay at max without drinking or eating?
Waiting for ambush x2? Not sure how I missed that….
@Dr.
I got GOW 3 (lol u know why) and there is water their but it looks polluted as shit.
My bets are with Legion for the Widow which is a high-end, very expensive, highly lethal, anti-material rifle. Which resides in a universe whose weapon systems far surpass Halo’s.
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Which is being carried by Legion, an ages old sniping robot capable of deploying distraction drones that move on their own, can be spawned anywhere, and explode. Also since we are going off of latest incarnation Legion should have the Reaper Code which greatly increase Geth combat performance (based on him saying “I” meaning he had gained the code before dying)
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However I discount that Legion and the Geth Infiltrators from the multiplayer are the same. He is not an infiltrator, has never stated of being an infiltrator, nor ever used infiltrator specific abilities, holding a sniper Rifle does not immediately make you an Infiltrator. He has never used any cloaking or Hunter Mode.
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Still, since Arbiter’s shields are slightly weaker than the MJOLNIR Mark V and he doesn’t have the same sort of enhanced vision and muscle memory as Legion, I’m voting Legion
“However I discount that Legion and the Geth Infiltrators from the multiplayer are the same. He is not an infiltrator, has never stated of being an infiltrator, nor ever used infiltrator specific abilities, holding a sniper Rifle does not immediately make you an Infiltrator. He has never used any cloaking or Hunter Mode.”
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Um, Legion’s class is Geth Infiltrator.
Hunter mode seems to just be a vision mode for Geth, it’s not specific to infiltrator.
Legion wins.
Also as I said before currently infiltrators have been given the ability to cloak as of ME 3.
Chief’s MJOLNIR shields being 30MJ? No, probably not. His shields being MJ range? Yes, as evident by numerous quotes that would require that to even stand a chance. However, none of that matters here.
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Both contestants have one-hit-one-kill weapons, both are super-human, both are stealthy, both are skilled with their weapons. Really, the only thing that matters is who gets the first shot. I doubt either would miss, so it really comes down to luck of the draw (or sight line). To me, this be a tie.
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“How long can Arby stay at max without drinking or eating?”
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Quite a while. His ancestor was starved in a prison, escaped, starved in a desert for months, then recaptured the fortress he escaped from. Thel also seemed at peak condition for multiple days without eating or drinking during Halo: The Cole Protocol. Regardless, I don’t think the Geth have ever played the “Hibernate until the enemy starves” tactic.
“Chief’s MJOLNIR shields being 30MJ? No, probably not. His shields being MJ range?”
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See, I can accept single digit megajoules, that is reasonable enough. But 30mJ? No f-ing way, that is blatant cherry-picking.
@Cell
It would indeed qualify as Cherry picking. Generally, nothing is at either the high nor the low end of the spectrum. Things tend to fall in between. Though about Brute punching speed. I’ve been thinking. A fighter can punch at 30mph. Post augs, SPARTANs can generally do 3x the speed of small-scale movements (side-steps, punches, kicks, but not things like running). That would put them at 90mph punches. From there MJOLNIR Mark V increased the speed of these movements by a factor of five, so 450mph movements. It was also mentioned that the Brutes could move just as fast as John could. Generally, you don’t want 200 m/s punches from something whose arm alone probably weighs as much as a light human.
“Regardless, I don’t think the Geth have ever played the “Hibernate until the enemy starves” tactic.”
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I’d was under the assumption the time frame wasn’t past a day or two. Guess I was wrong.
I’m guessing the battle takes an hour, assuming that everyone moves really slow and acts reeaally careful, unintentionally avoiding eachother at some times.
The best part is Elite shielding can be seen through with thermal vision, however it isn’t necessary as Arby’s cloak last for a very short time
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And I would bet my left nut that Legion, the light-speed thinking robot, has better aim than the Arbiter.
“It would indeed qualify as Cherry picking. Generally, nothing is at either the high nor the low end of the spectrum. Things tend to fall in between. Though about Brute punching speed. I’ve been thinking. A fighter can punch at 30mph. Post augs, SPARTANs can generally do 3x the speed of small-scale movements (side-steps, punches, kicks, but not things like running). That would put them at 90mph punches. From there MJOLNIR Mark V increased the speed of these movements by a factor of five, so 450mph movements. It was also mentioned that the Brutes could move just as fast as John could. Generally, you don’t want 200 m/s punches from something whose arm alone probably weighs as much as a light human.”
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Sources for this, otherwise I’m calling bullshit, Spartan’s punching at 200m/s seems a bit ridiculous.
“And I would bet my left nut that Legion, the light-speed thinking robot, has better aim than the Arbiter.”
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Give me proof of this or I’m calling extreme bullshit.
“Give me proof of this or I’m calling extreme bullshit.”
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Shepard: What happens to the Heretics now?
Legion:They will isolate themselves and reconsider thier past judgement.
Shepard: How long will that take?
Legion: We think at the speed of light. In the time it takes you to voice a question I could review all my time aboard Normandy.
Legion without a doubt.
Legion whips out his Widow and snipes Arbiter’s head off.
The Arbiter is a respectable warrior, but his technology is inferior. He doesn’t have Mass Effect technology, he would need mass effect technology to stop Legions bullets from tearing him up.
I mean, how could he have shields powerful enough to stop the force of a bullet with many times more momentum than bullets he could fire (due to mass increasing technology) without mass effect generated shields?
I suppose the Arbiter might win if he got close, but then again, Legion has combat drones and assault rifles.
“The Arbiter is a respectable warrior, but his technology is inferior.”
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Not really. Particle beam weapon, Cloaking, shields, energy weapon. I think your thinking of the UNSC and there regular weapon like the assault rifle.
@Lowk thank you for that lol, saves me from tracking it down.
Legion wins in a sniper battle against the Arbiter any day. Especially since DryDock’s multi level setup really does favor sniping. Along with all of his tech powers there is no chance he loses this battle #MassEffectFTW
“I mean, how could he have shields powerful enough to stop the force of a bullet with many times more momentum than bullets he could fire (due to mass increasing technology) without mass effect generated shields?”
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This is true, but on the flip side, I doubt Legion’s mass effect fields could stop a strong particle beam or plasma blast.
I coulda’ sworn that the higher ranking an elite was, the better shielding he had… The Arbiter, being one of the highest ranking elites EVER, should have a nice set of shields, but I don’t think that’s the gamechanger. What I think will save him is his cloaking… Unless ME has something to pick that up.
@Carmine, Sorry but Linda, a Spartan would get the Award for sniping far before Legion. There’s this one part in First Strike, where she shoot the pilots of Banshee’s through the small slit of their cockpits. But that’s not the impressive part, She was using 1 hand while using the light and the darkness to keep her hidden. Now throw in the fact she had just been resurrected from the dead, was suffering from A LOT of injury’s and had been fighting pretty much non-stop for a long time..FP award goes to Linda
@UnauditedCloud yes she is a better sniper, this would be irrelevant as her rounds would be stopped by his shields and then he would put a round in her head. But that is irrelevant to this fight.
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However, if you want to argue for Linda somewhere head to the Vindicare vs Linda thread, I want to argue!
Who said she would be using a UNSC sniper rifle? :O
@Unaudited standard equipment = UNSC sniper rifle.
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The one she always uses and is pro with.
keep in mind this fight isnt one on one truly either legion addresses himself as “we” legion could in the time it take arbitar time to relaod consult with fellow geth, devise a srategy and a plan to execute it.
As much as I like ME, people give the Geth way too much credit.
Also @Deus Ex Machina, She’s a Spartan, she can adapt.
“Also @Deus Ex Machina, She’s a Spartan, she can adapt.”
people give spartans way too much credit
@fallstar thief
You obviously have no knowledge on Halo
i have moderate knowlege. spartans are nothing special. just a bunch of modified brainwashed kids in fancy suites. take the suite away and thier just low tier superhumans from a shity franchise
@UnauditedCloud
I don’t know why your mentioning Linda in this thread she surpasses Master Chief in marksman ship skills and arbiter is master chief’s equal so unless she’s in this match that really isn’t helping the arbiter out
@Fallstarthief
Not really I got the Fall Of Reach book yesterday they were able to take down several soldiers in power armor it would have taken a battalion of marines to do so not to mention they were unarmed and only in their teen’s .
Fallstars lack of faith disturbs me.
@Carmine: Don’t forget they were dropped in the hole for three day, without any supply’s
@UnauditedCloud
I did not get to that part yet, I’m to the part where they test out the mjolnir armor for the first time.
Did this thread die?
@Vergil
Yep.
Also: close range combat goes to the Arbiter.
“Also: close range combat goes to the Arbiter.”
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Skill wise most likely.
However Geth melee is creating a dome of energy around them that knocks people and ends up disintegrating. They can also coat there fist in energy
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So he may not need to be good at fightinghand to hand if he can just put up an energy field around himself.
I’d say energy-sword + Arbiter’s skill + barrier that’s about as effective against directed energy based weapons outside of game mechanics as tinfoil = dead Legion, but the load out for this match doesn’t give him that. Still stronger though.
On a related note, has anyone come to a consensus on how effective kinetic barriers are against directed energy based weapons on the Halo vs Mass Effect debaty thingy.
“I’d say energy-sword + Arbiter’s skill + barrier that’s about as effective against directed energy based weapons outside of game mechanics as tinfoil = dead Legion, but the load out for this match doesn’t give him that. Still stronger though.”
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The field knocks people back while damaging them. Should work good as a way to keep him from taking swings with the energy sword while also weakening Arbiters shield.
Kinetic barrier vs directed energy question?
“Kinetic barrier vs directed energy question?”
What DEW? While I’m not 100% on the Beam Rifle, the rifle and grenades are both plasma (as is his sword if being included despite stipulations), and plasma is matter with kinetic energy, and therefore will be stopped by KBs.
sorry for the double post, but science correction:
“plasma is matter with kinetic energy”
should be
“plasma is matter, and therefore will have kinetic energy”
Much better.
Directed. Energy. Weapon.
Also, if that’s the case, how much more effective would such a directed energy weapon be against kinetic energy barriers that a weapon that’s main pay load comes from kinetic energy considering that the beam rifles employed by the Collectors eat through them like tissue paper and the lore specifically makes mention that kinetic barriers are about as effective against stopping directed energy as using fire against a fire type pokemon?
Also, if the sticky grenades won’t stick, how come the sticky grenades in ME 3 do (or do they)?
“On a related note, has anyone come to a consensus on how effective kinetic barriers are against directed energy based weapons on the Halo vs Mass Effect debaty thingy.”
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Not very good. They seem to be able to take hits from particle weapons but not for long.
Sorry forgot the other part.
Armor seems to and has been stated at being what used to protect against DEW’s.
Yet, even then, I’m assuming a few directs hits and the person inside is cooked?