If he was, I guess that helps. I sense an FP award coming (in a couple of days, don’t want to rush it)
GuardianAngel1911
April 13, 2012 at 3:39 pm - #14
both use 9mm handguns as standard handguns, or at least thats the first you git in RE4. if we get into rifles Leon has to buy one so that gets tricky. So lets assume lowest common denominator, both have 9mm hand guns.
now lets look at training. Leon was a Police Officer for a day (still had to go through the academy) and a secret service agent.
Drake is a trained thief and treasure hunter with basic hand to hand and gun training.
now experiences
Leon has faced several zombie outbreaks, armies of parasite zombies out to take over the world, some with guns turrets etc and smarter and faster than the average zombie.
Leon is going to be in RE6 so will be getting more feats in November.
Drake, guys in suits that were trained, modern pirates, zombie things, mercenaries, ancient warriors that ate sap from the tree of life, and then guys in suits that were trained again and he kept drinking the spiked water.
so armies of zombies humanoid beasts and monsters were fought by Leon
humans, better trained humans, highly trained humans and various cursed humans for Drake.
Hitman H94
April 13, 2012 at 3:39 pm - #15
I am going to assume what ever their standard loadout or weapons are.
Captain Epic
April 13, 2012 at 3:51 pm - #16
For right now lets assume they each have 9mm handguns. And Leon his knife, considering he always has one on him. I think this is very close. Nate’s agility will be very useful given the map they are fighting in. Also abandoned towns/villages are right up his alley.
GuardianAngel1911
April 13, 2012 at 3:56 pm - #17
then that’ll be 9mm handguns since you almost always start a new mission for Drake with one and thats the most basic gun that Leon gets and from the start of the game.
GuardianAngel1911
April 13, 2012 at 4:03 pm - #18
ignore seventeen since Captain Epic answered.
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on the abandoned towns villages and such, Leon’s not a stranger to it really either. The first section of RE4 is basically one. Drake is agile yes but Leon isn’t a slouch, and then there’s his infamous knife throwing feat. then he dodged one too I believe. And there’s his knife fight with Krauser.
OMEGAMI
April 13, 2012 at 4:44 pm - #19
Leon Laser dodge scene, a very agile and quick thinker right here. www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ds8QiIR3Q
It looks like Nathan Drake is going up against people with better experience and training than him.
I say Leon wins and I say Ezio is better than Leon.
Captain Epic
April 13, 2012 at 4:52 pm - #20
Leon might have better training, but that he might not have as much experience fighting a human.
OMEGAMI
April 13, 2012 at 5:04 pm - #21
He fights inhuman far stronger than regular humans.
Soldier's Shadow
April 13, 2012 at 5:30 pm - #22
Anyone care to post some feats of Mr. Drake here? We all know that Leon has a superb agility and is a very skilled combatant, being known as “one of the best agents in the world” or something like that by RE4.
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Both have handguns and as shown in RE4, Leon appears to be a good shot. Barely remember Degeneration so can’t say there and I never saw a reason to get Darkside Chronicles so I’m in the dark there.
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Yeah, I’m siding with Leon for now until the Uncharted side gives some feats.
Dr.Twinky
April 13, 2012 at 5:52 pm - #23
I hear Drake’s awesome at puzzles. That’s something, right?
Captain Epic
April 13, 2012 at 6:12 pm - #24
Drake too has fought a pretty tough meta-human: uncharted.wikia.com/wiki/Zoran_Lazarevi%C4%87
Lazarvic drank zap from the Tree of Life, granting him increased strength, amazing endurance, healing factor.
Here is the actual fight(SPOILERS): www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIeMVRio9hQ
The fight also shows how much punishment Drake can take.
Captain Epic
April 13, 2012 at 6:16 pm - #25
Also as I posted in the Drake vs. Auditore match, Nathan has been able to take on an oppenent wielding a knife while he himself was unarmed.
Captain Epic
April 13, 2012 at 6:38 pm - #26
Okay, here is another endurance and agility feat for Nathan, the ending also features him fighting one on one with a well trained fighter:
OMEGAMI
April 13, 2012 at 7:16 pm - #27
Also as I posted in the Drake vs. Auditore match, Nathan has been able to take on an oppenent wielding a knife while he himself was unarmed.
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That’s not really a great feat, unarmed fighting against a guy with a knife is all about not getting hit.
An impressive feat would be Leon fighting El Gigante. www.youtube.com/watch?v=DATao6-87c0
Hows that for a juggernaut?. And he fights another one with Ashley (suppose to be harder, that girls retarded). www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JUlDSY7iWE&feature=relmfu
And then he fights two of them at the same time. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iai_DZX891U&feature=relmfu
To be honest I can knife this two all this bastards.
But the point is, Leon can dodge two Gigantes wish are like a large brick wall charging at you (despite how bad the guy playing is) I know he used big and automatic guns but all he really needs to fight them is a handgun and a knife, and he really doesn’t need to throw one of the last ones to the lava, he can keep dodging gun them down and climb up and knife two Gigantes for the record.
I suppose you understand what this Gigantes as I shown are capable of, right?
Not your average Juggernaut, and taking them out with a handgun and a knife is something.
OMEGAMI
April 13, 2012 at 7:23 pm - #28
But probably I don’t see Drake wining because Leon is very experienced in knife combat and with guns too.
If this was a bar fight then yes I will give it to Drake.
Why am I saying this so sudden? because I’m an honest person.
Skip to 8:00 www.youtube.com/watch?v=1adMMtgeEpU
Drake wouldn’t have being knocked out by that.
mrgendrons 2.0
April 13, 2012 at 7:24 pm - #29
drake has more endurance,durrability and pain tolerance through:sucked out of an airplane,walking threw the desert for three days(uncharted 3),falling off a four story building with out much damage,shot in the stomach and climbing up a fallen train in the Himalayan mountains(uncharted 2)
Soldier's Shadow
April 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm - #30
I don’t really see anything in your posts that put Drake on an even playing field as Leon, Epic. Aside from endurance, the rest seemed to be pretty much what Leon’s done but against tougher enemies like Krauser, who looks to be able to tear that bald guy apart.
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Drake’s a pretty good fighter but he doesn’t seem to be on Leon’s level in anything other than agility and endurance.
OMEGAMI
April 13, 2012 at 7:26 pm - #31
And here comes the Drake desert and snow durability feats that wont help him when he gets a bullet to the brain.
mrgendrons 2.0
April 13, 2012 at 7:28 pm - #32
@OMEGAMI
both are good at gunplay.doesn’t drake have an ak 47 as a default weapon in a few chapters(uncharted 2 at least) but drakes more resilient and agile thus could put the drop on him.
Captain Epic
April 13, 2012 at 7:29 pm - #33
@OMEGAMI
Please not that I haven’t posted anything whatsoever about that. Quit acting like Nathan Drake supporters are fanboys.
While Drake is pretty sneaky, I am dubious he would get the drop on Kennedy. Hang on about to go get an accuarcy feat for Drake.
OMEGAMI
April 13, 2012 at 7:34 pm - #36
Drake has 3X the durability of Leon, what makes Leon brake is what makes Drake laugh you know.
But why does people bring those feats out?
Like I said before, Drake and Leon wont be their durability in a desert or snow field, this is not a “who is a better survivor” or “who is a better outdoors-man”.
LOL, I said it on the Ezio fight too, it’s not like Leon is going to breath fire or a freezing wind at him lol.
Pain tolerance helps in a bar brawl where both will be fighting it out, but here we have a fight to the death, so pain tolerance, durability and stamina wont help any of them if they get their neck sliced or a bullet to the brain.
LOL, I’m gonna eat on subway from now on.
As for load out, a standard 9mm pistol and a knife, that’s all.
Captain Epic
April 13, 2012 at 7:42 pm - #39
What a feat for ND he can hang on to his Subway Drink in just about any situation… kidding.
“Drake has 3X the durability of Leon, what makes Leon brake is what makes Drake laugh you know.” Isn’t that an imperative thing to discuss? Ghost Town has quite a bit of places to hide, if one of these fighters take a bullet to the shoulder… or an arrow to the knee, who is going to keep fighting, who can score the final kill? This match is alot closer than your giving credit. And on the statement where Drake fought Talbot, he did avoid some slashes, but for the most part he was pretty aggressive during the fight.
“drake has more endurance,durrability and pain tolerance ”
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Bullet to the brain > Drake’s durability, endurance and pain tolerance
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Knife to the throat > Drake’s durability, endurance and pain tolerance.
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“I am dubious he would get the drop on Kennedy. Hang on about to go get an accuarcy feat for Drake.”
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Yeah, Leon’s got some pretty good awareness considering he was able to tell before Krauser got the drop on him in RE4.
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ONEGAMI summed up the rest.
Captain Epic
April 13, 2012 at 7:46 pm - #42
The Krauser fight in RE4 is easily one of my favorite boss battles of all time. I RE4 on the Wii so much, about to download it on the PSN now.
mrgendrons 2.0
April 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm - #43
@Captain Epic
true but has leon fallen off a 4 story building with no visible injury? yeah via agility on this kinda map he should be able to take the win he did brake into a museum before. thats a sneaking feat.
mrgendrons 2.0
April 13, 2012 at 7:49 pm - #44
@Soldier’s Shadow
talbot fight=able to take on armed opponents
both have guns and can leon take a bullet to the head and live?
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yeah this could be an awesome fight but it can be over fast too
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welp i gotta go now see ya
Captain Epic
April 13, 2012 at 7:52 pm - #45
Overview of the map: www.youtube.com/watch?v=izwLA_6osmc
Should we allot Drake and Leon a primary weapon too? Maybe AK for Drake and Standard TMP for Leon?
fallstar thief
April 13, 2012 at 7:53 pm - #46
leon
from re: degeneration
fallstar thief
April 13, 2012 at 7:54 pm - #47
last post should sat accuracy
more
OMEGAMI
April 13, 2012 at 8:01 pm - #48
Please not that I haven’t posted anything whatsoever about that. Quit acting like Nathan Drake supporters are fanboys.
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Never acted like it, must be the internet who doesn’t show peoples real motives.
I don’t know who is a fanboy and I’m directing to the feats sated not the people, sorry if you think I’m directing to people as if they are fanboys.
If your curious, I’m not a RE fanboy, just happen to know some of both, that’s why I’m debating anyways.
Back on topic, it’s not like Drake is gonna get shot once, haha if you think about it, Leon’s experience with zombies will give him an instinct of shooting the head first.
This is what Soldier’s Shadow was talking about. www.youtube.com/watch?v=HISrvI5M9xA
He might not have truly won that fight but he did give out a fight and Krauser is superhuman, you can see him jump very high at the end, like a spartan.
GuardianAngel1911
April 13, 2012 at 8:03 pm - #49
TMP for Leon and an AK for Leon, seems a wee bit unfair to give Drake a rifle and Leon a sub machine gun
OMEGAMI
April 13, 2012 at 8:03 pm - #50
The only way I see Drake have enough pain tolerance to outlast all of Leon’s 9mm clips is this guy tolerance. Skip to 2:00 or you can watch it from the start. www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_z4IuxAqpE&feature=fvwrel
And still he can die instantly if you hit him in the right spot.
@OMEGAMI
Yeah, I misunderstood what you were implying, my apologies.
OMEGAMI
April 13, 2012 at 8:05 pm - #52
Give Leon the Chicago type Righter and let Drake have an AK-47.
Captain Epic
April 13, 2012 at 8:06 pm - #53
Has Leon ever used a rifle?
Captain Epic
April 13, 2012 at 8:07 pm - #54
@OMEGAMI
Isn’t the Chicago Type Writer uber powerful? I dominated Saddler with it.
GuardianAngel1911
April 13, 2012 at 8:12 pm - #55
@Captain Epic
unless you give them generic rifles then the closest thing to even is the Chicago Typewriter, which isn’t so much uber powerful as it is high damage due to being a 45 caliber weapon. and in game infinite ammo.
OMEGAMI
April 13, 2012 at 8:13 pm - #56
The only rifle in the game, you wanted rifles right?
Why not shotguns?
or why not live it like it is, standard 9mm handguns.
If you give Leon his weapons then he gets uber powerful.
With a shotgun he gets the striker, 100 bullets in a clip lol!
TMP, 250 bullets in one clip, and he can carry more then one clip.
I guess You are sort of right, cutscene Leon uses a TMP. Go to 9:45 www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9jPk-qhRE
So if cutscene shows it then it’s cannon right?
If it’s standard then it’s fair for Drake to have the KAL-7.
Soldier's Shadow
April 13, 2012 at 8:45 pm - #62
“both have guns and can leon take a bullet to the head and live?”
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No, but just pointing out citing “pain tolerance” and that other crap was unimportant here.
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@Epic
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Pretty sure Leon used an M4 Carbine near the end of Degeneration when he saved Angela.
I think it’s fair, Arm Micro has 25 bullets in a clip and 125 extra, while the TMP (non stock) has 30 bullets in a clip as standard not upgraded and 100 bullets extra as seen the SMG ammo box holds on Leon’s inventory.
Drake has 5 extra clips to reload and Leon only has 3 plus one with 10 bullets, not fair so we have to give Leon a full clip.
Loadout:
Drake.
92FS-9mm
5 clips (15 bullets each)
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Arm Micro
5 clips (25 bullets each)
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Leon.
Silver Ghost (That would be his handgun)
5 clips (10 bullets each)
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TMP
4 clips (30 bullets each)
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Is this going to be it? or is their something more we should add?
Captain Epic
April 14, 2012 at 12:24 am - #64
@SS
I validated my reasons for mentioning Drake’s endurence. Degeneration was such a cool movie. We might try that.
I’m not sure if the Arm Micro is the best choice considering it would give Drake two side arm guns. I think the Kal 7 or something else would be better.
What I know is that Leon uses a wide verity of weapons throughout the series.
Resident Evil 2
In the earlier games, weapons and ammunition are in short supply, this is to create a more intense survivalist experience throughout the game. However, Leon still comes across a wide range of weapons including:
■Desert Eagle
A powerful handgun found in the game, however, ammo is always in short supply. In the novelization of the game written by S.D. Perry, it is revealed this gun is given as a present to Leon by his Father, who was also a police officer.
■Combat Knife
Standard weapon Leon begins the game with. Deals low damage, only used as a last resort.
■Heckler & Koch VP70
Leon’s starting Weapon. Capable of killing zombies with several shots, although, not very effective against more powerful enemies such as the Licker.
■Remington M870
Found in the game, very powerful and is able to be upgraded.
■Flamethrower
Found in William Birkin’s lab, it is useful for destroying t-virus infected plants, but has no spare ammo.
Resident Evil 4
In this game Leon uses the widest verity of Weapons in any Resident Evil game, all can be upgraded to various degrees to increase power and reload speed. They Include:
Leon’s Silver Ghost
■Silver Ghost
Leon’s starting weapon in the game. While initially not very powerful, it can be upgraded for very little money and when at maximum it has the highest ammo capacity of any handgun in the game and also the fastest reload speed.
■Remington M870
Can be both found and bought in the game. Powerful at close range, but very noneffective at medium to long range. This is the first shotgun available in the game.
■TMP
High rate of fire, good for fighting off multiple attacking enemies.
■Semi-Auto Rifle
Powerful rifle, with adjustable zoom. Best for head-shots.
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In Seperate Ways,you can see Leon using the Riot Gun on Sadler in the Final battle.
Kuja9001
April 14, 2012 at 12:10 pm - #66
Im going with Drake, he has some experience with the undead.
Captain Epic
April 14, 2012 at 12:39 pm - #67
Drake only fought the undead for a brief time compared to Leon.
Negative Zero
April 14, 2012 at 2:07 pm - #68
Definitely going with Leon for this. Anybody that can put up with an annoying bimbo yelling “Leooooon heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!!!!!!” every 10 seconds deserves to chalk that up as an endurance feat lol.
OMEGAMI
April 14, 2012 at 3:50 pm - #69
LOL, Negative Zero has a point, nobody would accomplished anything in their life if they had Ashley with them.
Also explains why Leon rejected her at the end of the game.
LOL, Drake would rather be left alone in the desert just to get away from Ashley, because if their is something worse than the current situation, that would be having an irritating sound shredding your ear drums every 10 seconds, BIG endurance feat right there.
And I know wish is Bear Grylls favorite game, Uncharted, his only disappointing is that he can’t drink his own piss now and then.
GuardianAngel1911
April 14, 2012 at 5:21 pm - #70
@NZ
that is an extremely good point. When I unlocked her alt costume the suit of armor I was so happy cause I could just forget about her completely. the chick was useless, even moreso when you had to play as her. You’d think the merchant would find her and give her a gun
hellboy147
April 14, 2012 at 8:10 pm - #71
First of All Drake’s weapon of choice is vtomat Kalashnikova 1947 at least in Uncharted3 and he is using since the uncharted1 .
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“Bullet to the brain > Drake’s durability, endurance and pain tolerance”
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Drake is more agile and faster and better climber . So He got more chances to hit him at first.
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“Knife to the throat > Drake’s durability, endurance and pain tolerance.”
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He already fought the enemy with knife and defended himself quite well mrgendrons said that already.
@0:23 Leon dodges a set of extremely hot lasers that appear and move at quick speeds. Can’t call gameplay mechanics here since it’s a quick time event.
Leon pulls this whole stunt off in about 15 seconds and takes a big hit from a huge monster only to get up just fine.
hellboy147
April 14, 2012 at 8:27 pm - #75
“So has Leon. Only in his knife fight, his enemy was superhuman.”
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But Drake Fight Lazarevic who’s also a superhuman and he consistently rained the grenades on Drake . Not mentioning how many Jugs he fights normally.
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“But Drake Fight Lazarevic who’s also a superhuman and he consistently rained the grenades on Drake . Not mentioning how many Jugs he fights normally.”
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What superhuman feats has he shown in the game? Krauser has superstrength enough to tear a beam out of the ground and hurl it like a javelin while moving in quick bursts of speeds. He was also Leon’s equal if not superior in skill, especially in knife fighting.
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And red herring, we were speaking of a knife fight between the two in which Drake fought a typical human.
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That link shows Drake has good precision and timing, not going to help much here.
Captain Epic
April 14, 2012 at 8:36 pm - #77
But Lazarevic really isn’t that impressive compared to Krauser. Krauser is alot faster than Lazarvic is. When suggesting this match I forgot Degeneration was canon. Honestly some of Leon’s feats in that movie alone could put him above Drake. This is what it looks like ot me:
Endurance: 3-2
Endurance But in stamina Drake takes it easily
lets say 4-3 for Leon.
hellboy147
April 14, 2012 at 8:45 pm - #79
Drake vs Sam Fisher anyone?
Soldier's Shadow
April 14, 2012 at 8:46 pm - #80
Drake would probably win in hand to hand but Sam’s got more training period while being quite a douche with stealth.
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Depends on the scenario, I guess.
hellboy147
April 14, 2012 at 8:59 pm - #81
I would like to see Big tag team match .
Drake, Snake , Lara , Agent 47 vs Rambo , Leon , Ezio , Fisher not that’s the match !
Soldier's Shadow
April 14, 2012 at 9:04 pm - #82
Team One would win since Snake and 47 are practically superhumans. If you removed 47 for someone less superhuman, it could work.
hellboy147
April 14, 2012 at 9:06 pm - #83
“Team One would win since Snake and 47 are practically superhumans. If you removed 47 for someone less superhuman, it could work.”
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Just an Example but if we put them all in an equally teams would be fun .
Soldier's Shadow
April 14, 2012 at 9:10 pm - #84
Could be fun. Go to the Topia if you want to suggest matches and what not.
OMEGAMI
April 14, 2012 at 10:01 pm - #85
Damn I made a good story involving around those characters but internet screwed up and I couldn’t post it, I was gonna share it with you all and it was a master piece (In my opinion by the way, and it was pretty long too, also freaking funny), but it was so long that I just can’t find it in me to do it again. All my creativity juice went down the drain right there, ALL OF IT.
OMEGAMI
April 14, 2012 at 10:04 pm - #86
Also, yeah Drake has far more endurance than Leon.
4-3 is about fair.
I say Leon wins 6 out of 10 with Drake.
Captain Epic
April 14, 2012 at 10:07 pm - #87
I would say maybe Leon wins seven out of ten. The three Drake wins most likely come from the enviroment or him outlasting Kennedy.
Magna
April 19, 2012 at 8:28 am - #88
Well, I think Leon has far better advantages than Drake. Sorry, don’t bash. I’m new here.
StealthRanger
April 19, 2012 at 8:29 am - #89
Well the consensus is that Leon wins
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Welcome aboard comrade
Magna
April 19, 2012 at 8:32 am - #90
Yeah, I was reading the Kratos vs Dante thread and I was a little annoyed at how GOW Fanboys can go. So I decided to join in. Hopefully.
StealthRanger
April 19, 2012 at 8:37 am - #91
Oh god that thread was a real pain in the ass, given I was debating for Dante there and how fucking annoying the Kratos fan there was
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Again, welcome to FactPile
Magna
April 19, 2012 at 8:40 am - #92
Thanks! I do hope I last. Some people really just don’t realize defeat when it’s handed to them in a silver platter.
LeonDrake
April 20, 2012 at 8:32 pm - #93
(My name is LeonDrake so i guess i’ll comment on leon vs drake)lol
we could just say Drake has health regeneration
And Leon has to use herbs technically
(But maybe that doesn’t count it should because its a part of the games)
Also we already know Drake can take a bullet
(And don’t slow down unlike Leon)
unlike Leon does most fights
Gun 2 hand most of the time with one knife swipe left to right (limited movement game wise)
Leon rarely is in a fire fight unless theirs a boss which is a ex umbrella corporation
worker or stars operative
I’m not saying he doesn’t have the training
which he does but in the games he fights zombies who don’t have guns
H2h Leon would
Guns still up for grabs with a lean towards Drake
I go by a strict game basis when I do these fights
Hermit
April 20, 2012 at 8:36 pm - #94
“I go by a strict game basis when I do these fights”
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Don’t.
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Oh, and welcome to FactPile!
GuardianAngel1911
April 20, 2012 at 8:39 pm - #95
@LeonDrake
the health regen is a game mechanic and I’m pretty sure herbs are too. either way not anything counted here
OMEGAMI
April 20, 2012 at 9:15 pm - #96
If Drake has noticeable regeneration then what is he?
Is he Wolverine?
Real life and logic is taken into consideration, not in game physics and logic.
As Captain Epic and hellboy147 stated.
to sum it up easier.
Leon vs Drake:
H2H: 1-0
Marksmanship: 2-1
Endurance: 2-2
Agility: 3-2
Leon wins at least 6 out of 10. (my opinion)
This thread is seems to be over tho.
Magna and LeonDrake, welcome.
Captain Epic
April 20, 2012 at 9:42 pm - #97
Well this form of Drake can tank an RPG:
OMEGAMI
April 20, 2012 at 11:58 pm - #98
Yeah, lol, so true.
Captain Epic
April 21, 2012 at 11:37 pm - #99
And Leon’s knife would be a non-factor to that Drake.
What weapons do they each get?
The Dante look alike wins
“The Dante look alike wins”
funny resident evil2 was released years berfor dmc wich was originaly intended to be a resident evil game
“The Dante look alike wins”
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But neither of the combatants look like massive faggots.
“But neither of the combatants look like massive faggots.”
qft
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im leaning towards leon
“But neither of the combatants look like massive faggots.”
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No you got it all wrong see, This fc03.deviantart.net/fs29/i/2008/154/4/9/More_Negi_Springfield_by_aszereth.jpg is a massive faggot. I’d kick his ass and take his lunch money than stuff him in a locker
“massive faggot. I’d kick his ass and take his lunch money than stuff him in a locker”
yet he has more girls than you ever will
“yet he has more girls than you ever will”
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*Facepalm*
We veered offtopic fast didn’t we
“We veered offtopic fast didn’t we ”
what are you talking about were perfectly on topic
…….sure. Anyway I go with Leon in this match (Though I know nothing about either, Leon looks like more of a fighter)
“…….sure. Anyway I go with Leon in this match (Though I know nothing about either, Leon looks like more of a fighter)”
Although its been awhile since I played RE4, wasn’t Leon the president’s bodyguard???
If he was, I guess that helps. I sense an FP award coming (in a couple of days, don’t want to rush it)
both use 9mm handguns as standard handguns, or at least thats the first you git in RE4. if we get into rifles Leon has to buy one so that gets tricky. So lets assume lowest common denominator, both have 9mm hand guns.
now lets look at training. Leon was a Police Officer for a day (still had to go through the academy) and a secret service agent.
Drake is a trained thief and treasure hunter with basic hand to hand and gun training.
now experiences
Leon has faced several zombie outbreaks, armies of parasite zombies out to take over the world, some with guns turrets etc and smarter and faster than the average zombie.
Leon is going to be in RE6 so will be getting more feats in November.
Drake, guys in suits that were trained, modern pirates, zombie things, mercenaries, ancient warriors that ate sap from the tree of life, and then guys in suits that were trained again and he kept drinking the spiked water.
so armies of zombies humanoid beasts and monsters were fought by Leon
humans, better trained humans, highly trained humans and various cursed humans for Drake.
I am going to assume what ever their standard loadout or weapons are.
For right now lets assume they each have 9mm handguns. And Leon his knife, considering he always has one on him. I think this is very close. Nate’s agility will be very useful given the map they are fighting in. Also abandoned towns/villages are right up his alley.
then that’ll be 9mm handguns since you almost always start a new mission for Drake with one and thats the most basic gun that Leon gets and from the start of the game.
ignore seventeen since Captain Epic answered.
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on the abandoned towns villages and such, Leon’s not a stranger to it really either. The first section of RE4 is basically one. Drake is agile yes but Leon isn’t a slouch, and then there’s his infamous knife throwing feat. then he dodged one too I believe. And there’s his knife fight with Krauser.
Leon Laser dodge scene, a very agile and quick thinker right here.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ds8QiIR3Q
It looks like Nathan Drake is going up against people with better experience and training than him.
I say Leon wins and I say Ezio is better than Leon.
Leon might have better training, but that he might not have as much experience fighting a human.
He fights inhuman far stronger than regular humans.
Anyone care to post some feats of Mr. Drake here? We all know that Leon has a superb agility and is a very skilled combatant, being known as “one of the best agents in the world” or something like that by RE4.
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Both have handguns and as shown in RE4, Leon appears to be a good shot. Barely remember Degeneration so can’t say there and I never saw a reason to get Darkside Chronicles so I’m in the dark there.
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Yeah, I’m siding with Leon for now until the Uncharted side gives some feats.
I hear Drake’s awesome at puzzles. That’s something, right?
Drake too has fought a pretty tough meta-human: uncharted.wikia.com/wiki/Zoran_Lazarevi%C4%87
Lazarvic drank zap from the Tree of Life, granting him increased strength, amazing endurance, healing factor.
Here is the actual fight(SPOILERS):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIeMVRio9hQ
The fight also shows how much punishment Drake can take.
Also as I posted in the Drake vs. Auditore match, Nathan has been able to take on an oppenent wielding a knife while he himself was unarmed.
Okay, here is another endurance and agility feat for Nathan, the ending also features him fighting one on one with a well trained fighter:
Also as I posted in the Drake vs. Auditore match, Nathan has been able to take on an oppenent wielding a knife while he himself was unarmed.
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That’s not really a great feat, unarmed fighting against a guy with a knife is all about not getting hit.
An impressive feat would be Leon fighting El Gigante.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DATao6-87c0
Hows that for a juggernaut?. And he fights another one with Ashley (suppose to be harder, that girls retarded).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JUlDSY7iWE&feature=relmfu
And then he fights two of them at the same time.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iai_DZX891U&feature=relmfu
To be honest I can knife this two all this bastards.
But the point is, Leon can dodge two Gigantes wish are like a large brick wall charging at you (despite how bad the guy playing is) I know he used big and automatic guns but all he really needs to fight them is a handgun and a knife, and he really doesn’t need to throw one of the last ones to the lava, he can keep dodging gun them down and climb up and knife two Gigantes for the record.
I suppose you understand what this Gigantes as I shown are capable of, right?
Not your average Juggernaut, and taking them out with a handgun and a knife is something.
But probably I don’t see Drake wining because Leon is very experienced in knife combat and with guns too.
If this was a bar fight then yes I will give it to Drake.
Why am I saying this so sudden? because I’m an honest person.
Skip to 8:00
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1adMMtgeEpU
Drake wouldn’t have being knocked out by that.
drake has more endurance,durrability and pain tolerance through:sucked out of an airplane,walking threw the desert for three days(uncharted 3),falling off a four story building with out much damage,shot in the stomach and climbing up a fallen train in the Himalayan mountains(uncharted 2)
I don’t really see anything in your posts that put Drake on an even playing field as Leon, Epic. Aside from endurance, the rest seemed to be pretty much what Leon’s done but against tougher enemies like Krauser, who looks to be able to tear that bald guy apart.
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Drake’s a pretty good fighter but he doesn’t seem to be on Leon’s level in anything other than agility and endurance.
And here comes the Drake desert and snow durability feats that wont help him when he gets a bullet to the brain.
@OMEGAMI
both are good at gunplay.doesn’t drake have an ak 47 as a default weapon in a few chapters(uncharted 2 at least) but drakes more resilient and agile thus could put the drop on him.
@OMEGAMI
Please not that I haven’t posted anything whatsoever about that. Quit acting like Nathan Drake supporters are fanboys.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7wlAN16yTY
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^drake fighting a talented guy with a knife.
While Drake is pretty sneaky, I am dubious he would get the drop on Kennedy. Hang on about to go get an accuarcy feat for Drake.
Drake has 3X the durability of Leon, what makes Leon brake is what makes Drake laugh you know.
But why does people bring those feats out?
Like I said before, Drake and Leon wont be their durability in a desert or snow field, this is not a “who is a better survivor” or “who is a better outdoors-man”.
LOL, I said it on the Ezio fight too, it’s not like Leon is going to breath fire or a freezing wind at him lol.
Pain tolerance helps in a bar brawl where both will be fighting it out, but here we have a fight to the death, so pain tolerance, durability and stamina wont help any of them if they get their neck sliced or a bullet to the brain.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDH140dLq5M&feature=fvwrel
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^just for lols.
LOL, I’m gonna eat on subway from now on.
As for load out, a standard 9mm pistol and a knife, that’s all.
What a feat for ND he can hang on to his Subway Drink in just about any situation… kidding.
“Drake has 3X the durability of Leon, what makes Leon brake is what makes Drake laugh you know.” Isn’t that an imperative thing to discuss? Ghost Town has quite a bit of places to hide, if one of these fighters take a bullet to the shoulder… or an arrow to the knee, who is going to keep fighting, who can score the final kill? This match is alot closer than your giving credit. And on the statement where Drake fought Talbot, he did avoid some slashes, but for the most part he was pretty aggressive during the fight.
@OMEGAMI
yeah but drakes able to tank more hit though also hes like bear grylls www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4k8hu1aLJ8&feature=related
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@0:15
XD
“drake has more endurance,durrability and pain tolerance ”
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Bullet to the brain > Drake’s durability, endurance and pain tolerance
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Knife to the throat > Drake’s durability, endurance and pain tolerance.
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“I am dubious he would get the drop on Kennedy. Hang on about to go get an accuarcy feat for Drake.”
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Yeah, Leon’s got some pretty good awareness considering he was able to tell before Krauser got the drop on him in RE4.
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ONEGAMI summed up the rest.
The Krauser fight in RE4 is easily one of my favorite boss battles of all time. I RE4 on the Wii so much, about to download it on the PSN now.
@Captain Epic
true but has leon fallen off a 4 story building with no visible injury? yeah via agility on this kinda map he should be able to take the win he did brake into a museum before. thats a sneaking feat.
@Soldier’s Shadow
talbot fight=able to take on armed opponents
both have guns and can leon take a bullet to the head and live?
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yeah this could be an awesome fight but it can be over fast too
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welp i gotta go now see ya
Overview of the map:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=izwLA_6osmc
Should we allot Drake and Leon a primary weapon too? Maybe AK for Drake and Standard TMP for Leon?
leon
from re: degeneration
last post should sat accuracy
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Please not that I haven’t posted anything whatsoever about that. Quit acting like Nathan Drake supporters are fanboys.
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Never acted like it, must be the internet who doesn’t show peoples real motives.
I don’t know who is a fanboy and I’m directing to the feats sated not the people, sorry if you think I’m directing to people as if they are fanboys.
If your curious, I’m not a RE fanboy, just happen to know some of both, that’s why I’m debating anyways.
Back on topic, it’s not like Drake is gonna get shot once, haha if you think about it, Leon’s experience with zombies will give him an instinct of shooting the head first.
This is what Soldier’s Shadow was talking about.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HISrvI5M9xA
He might not have truly won that fight but he did give out a fight and Krauser is superhuman, you can see him jump very high at the end, like a spartan.
TMP for Leon and an AK for Leon, seems a wee bit unfair to give Drake a rifle and Leon a sub machine gun
The only way I see Drake have enough pain tolerance to outlast all of Leon’s 9mm clips is this guy tolerance. Skip to 2:00 or you can watch it from the start.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_z4IuxAqpE&feature=fvwrel
And still he can die instantly if you hit him in the right spot.
Okay head 9:14 for an accuracy feat for Drake:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIExAf_E-kg
@OMEGAMI
Yeah, I misunderstood what you were implying, my apologies.
Give Leon the Chicago type Righter and let Drake have an AK-47.
Has Leon ever used a rifle?
@OMEGAMI
Isn’t the Chicago Type Writer uber powerful? I dominated Saddler with it.
@Captain Epic
unless you give them generic rifles then the closest thing to even is the Chicago Typewriter, which isn’t so much uber powerful as it is high damage due to being a 45 caliber weapon. and in game infinite ammo.
The only rifle in the game, you wanted rifles right?
Why not shotguns?
or why not live it like it is, standard 9mm handguns.
If you give Leon his weapons then he gets uber powerful.
With a shotgun he gets the striker, 100 bullets in a clip lol!
TMP, 250 bullets in one clip, and he can carry more then one clip.
This is perfect:
uncharted.wikia.com/wiki/KAL_7
Drake uses it quite a bit in Uncharted 3. So this for Nate and the TMP for Leon?
@OMEGAMI
It would be the standard TMP.
Some of Leon’s speed and reflexes with a bit of “doing it all after a hell of a punch”.
uncharted.wikia.com/wiki/Arm_Micro
how about that and the TMP since they would be almost the same weapon still just like the handguns.
I guess You are sort of right, cutscene Leon uses a TMP. Go to 9:45
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ9jPk-qhRE
So if cutscene shows it then it’s cannon right?
If it’s standard then it’s fair for Drake to have the KAL-7.
“both have guns and can leon take a bullet to the head and live?”
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No, but just pointing out citing “pain tolerance” and that other crap was unimportant here.
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@Epic
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Pretty sure Leon used an M4 Carbine near the end of Degeneration when he saved Angela.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhLV7pI_roo&feature=related
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@3:21
I think it’s fair, Arm Micro has 25 bullets in a clip and 125 extra, while the TMP (non stock) has 30 bullets in a clip as standard not upgraded and 100 bullets extra as seen the SMG ammo box holds on Leon’s inventory.
Drake has 5 extra clips to reload and Leon only has 3 plus one with 10 bullets, not fair so we have to give Leon a full clip.
Loadout:
Drake.
92FS-9mm
5 clips (15 bullets each)
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Arm Micro
5 clips (25 bullets each)
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Leon.
Silver Ghost (That would be his handgun)
5 clips (10 bullets each)
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TMP
4 clips (30 bullets each)
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Is this going to be it? or is their something more we should add?
@SS
I validated my reasons for mentioning Drake’s endurence. Degeneration was such a cool movie. We might try that.
I’m not sure if the Arm Micro is the best choice considering it would give Drake two side arm guns. I think the Kal 7 or something else would be better.
What I know is that Leon uses a wide verity of weapons throughout the series.
Resident Evil 2
In the earlier games, weapons and ammunition are in short supply, this is to create a more intense survivalist experience throughout the game. However, Leon still comes across a wide range of weapons including:
■Desert Eagle
A powerful handgun found in the game, however, ammo is always in short supply. In the novelization of the game written by S.D. Perry, it is revealed this gun is given as a present to Leon by his Father, who was also a police officer.
■Combat Knife
Standard weapon Leon begins the game with. Deals low damage, only used as a last resort.
■Heckler & Koch VP70
Leon’s starting Weapon. Capable of killing zombies with several shots, although, not very effective against more powerful enemies such as the Licker.
■Remington M870
Found in the game, very powerful and is able to be upgraded.
■Flamethrower
Found in William Birkin’s lab, it is useful for destroying t-virus infected plants, but has no spare ammo.
Resident Evil 4
In this game Leon uses the widest verity of Weapons in any Resident Evil game, all can be upgraded to various degrees to increase power and reload speed. They Include:
Leon’s Silver Ghost
■Silver Ghost
Leon’s starting weapon in the game. While initially not very powerful, it can be upgraded for very little money and when at maximum it has the highest ammo capacity of any handgun in the game and also the fastest reload speed.
■Remington M870
Can be both found and bought in the game. Powerful at close range, but very noneffective at medium to long range. This is the first shotgun available in the game.
■TMP
High rate of fire, good for fighting off multiple attacking enemies.
■Semi-Auto Rifle
Powerful rifle, with adjustable zoom. Best for head-shots.
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In Seperate Ways,you can see Leon using the Riot Gun on Sadler in the Final battle.
Im going with Drake, he has some experience with the undead.
Drake only fought the undead for a brief time compared to Leon.
Definitely going with Leon for this. Anybody that can put up with an annoying bimbo yelling “Leooooon heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!!!!!!” every 10 seconds deserves to chalk that up as an endurance feat lol.
LOL, Negative Zero has a point, nobody would accomplished anything in their life if they had Ashley with them.
Also explains why Leon rejected her at the end of the game.
LOL, Drake would rather be left alone in the desert just to get away from Ashley, because if their is something worse than the current situation, that would be having an irritating sound shredding your ear drums every 10 seconds, BIG endurance feat right there.
And I know wish is Bear Grylls favorite game, Uncharted, his only disappointing is that he can’t drink his own piss now and then.
@NZ
that is an extremely good point. When I unlocked her alt costume the suit of armor I was so happy cause I could just forget about her completely. the chick was useless, even moreso when you had to play as her. You’d think the merchant would find her and give her a gun
First of All Drake’s weapon of choice is vtomat Kalashnikova 1947 at least in Uncharted3 and he is using since the uncharted1 .
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“Bullet to the brain > Drake’s durability, endurance and pain tolerance”
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Drake is more agile and faster and better climber . So He got more chances to hit him at first.
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“Knife to the throat > Drake’s durability, endurance and pain tolerance.”
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He already fought the enemy with knife and defended himself quite well mrgendrons said that already.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUPAyGWKd6c
1:30 and so on … Drake Agility
“Drake is more agile and faster and better climber . So He got more chances to hit him at first.”
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How? Leon’s reactions are absurdly good for a human.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JBSYZCzUB8
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@0:23 Leon dodges a set of extremely hot lasers that appear and move at quick speeds. Can’t call gameplay mechanics here since it’s a quick time event.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLoV5msiMyI&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLD318CA072B8D1FF9
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@43 He dodges a swift knife toss by one of Salazar’s monsters.
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Being that Leon’s reactions are shown so far to be quicker and this is a neutral battleground, he can and will make the first hit, knife or gun shot.
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“He already fought the enemy with knife and defended himself quite well mrgendrons said that already.”
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So has Leon. Only in his knife fight, his enemy was superhuman.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjc9QIXGftI
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Leon pulls this whole stunt off in about 15 seconds and takes a big hit from a huge monster only to get up just fine.
“So has Leon. Only in his knife fight, his enemy was superhuman.”
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But Drake Fight Lazarevic who’s also a superhuman and he consistently rained the grenades on Drake . Not mentioning how many Jugs he fights normally.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj8_bRwjh98
look when he grabs the box in mid air .
“But Drake Fight Lazarevic who’s also a superhuman and he consistently rained the grenades on Drake . Not mentioning how many Jugs he fights normally.”
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What superhuman feats has he shown in the game? Krauser has superstrength enough to tear a beam out of the ground and hurl it like a javelin while moving in quick bursts of speeds. He was also Leon’s equal if not superior in skill, especially in knife fighting.
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And red herring, we were speaking of a knife fight between the two in which Drake fought a typical human.
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That link shows Drake has good precision and timing, not going to help much here.
But Lazarevic really isn’t that impressive compared to Krauser. Krauser is alot faster than Lazarvic is. When suggesting this match I forgot Degeneration was canon. Honestly some of Leon’s feats in that movie alone could put him above Drake. This is what it looks like ot me:
Leon vs. Drake:
Agility: 1-0
Accuarcy: 2-1
Endurance: 3-2
H2H: 4-2
I would go on but you get the picture. Leon outclasses Nathan in pretty much every combat related aspect. Freaking Degeneration ruining Leon x Claire.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndkURIyWjdw lol 7: 50 that’s quite a punishment anyone else notice condom machine xD .__
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Endurance: 3-2
Endurance But in stamina Drake takes it easily
lets say 4-3 for Leon.
Drake vs Sam Fisher anyone?
Drake would probably win in hand to hand but Sam’s got more training period while being quite a douche with stealth.
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Depends on the scenario, I guess.
I would like to see Big tag team match .
Drake, Snake , Lara , Agent 47 vs Rambo , Leon , Ezio , Fisher not that’s the match !
Team One would win since Snake and 47 are practically superhumans. If you removed 47 for someone less superhuman, it could work.
“Team One would win since Snake and 47 are practically superhumans. If you removed 47 for someone less superhuman, it could work.”
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Just an Example but if we put them all in an equally teams would be fun .
Could be fun. Go to the Topia if you want to suggest matches and what not.
Damn I made a good story involving around those characters but internet screwed up and I couldn’t post it, I was gonna share it with you all and it was a master piece (In my opinion by the way, and it was pretty long too, also freaking funny), but it was so long that I just can’t find it in me to do it again. All my creativity juice went down the drain right there, ALL OF IT.
Also, yeah Drake has far more endurance than Leon.
4-3 is about fair.
I say Leon wins 6 out of 10 with Drake.
I would say maybe Leon wins seven out of ten. The three Drake wins most likely come from the enviroment or him outlasting Kennedy.
Well, I think Leon has far better advantages than Drake. Sorry, don’t bash. I’m new here.
Well the consensus is that Leon wins
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Welcome aboard comrade
Yeah, I was reading the Kratos vs Dante thread and I was a little annoyed at how GOW Fanboys can go. So I decided to join in. Hopefully.
Oh god that thread was a real pain in the ass, given I was debating for Dante there and how fucking annoying the Kratos fan there was
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Again, welcome to FactPile
Thanks! I do hope I last. Some people really just don’t realize defeat when it’s handed to them in a silver platter.
(My name is LeonDrake so i guess i’ll comment on leon vs drake)lol
we could just say Drake has health regeneration
And Leon has to use herbs technically
(But maybe that doesn’t count it should because its a part of the games)
Also we already know Drake can take a bullet
(And don’t slow down unlike Leon)
unlike Leon does most fights
Gun 2 hand most of the time with one knife swipe left to right (limited movement game wise)
Leon rarely is in a fire fight unless theirs a boss which is a ex umbrella corporation
worker or stars operative
I’m not saying he doesn’t have the training
which he does but in the games he fights zombies who don’t have guns
H2h Leon would
Guns still up for grabs with a lean towards Drake
I go by a strict game basis when I do these fights
“I go by a strict game basis when I do these fights”
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Don’t.
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Oh, and welcome to FactPile!
@LeonDrake
the health regen is a game mechanic and I’m pretty sure herbs are too. either way not anything counted here
If Drake has noticeable regeneration then what is he?
Is he Wolverine?
Real life and logic is taken into consideration, not in game physics and logic.
As Captain Epic and hellboy147 stated.
to sum it up easier.
Leon vs Drake:
H2H: 1-0
Marksmanship: 2-1
Endurance: 2-2
Agility: 3-2
Leon wins at least 6 out of 10. (my opinion)
This thread is seems to be over tho.
Magna and LeonDrake, welcome.
Well this form of Drake can tank an RPG:
Yeah, lol, so true.
And Leon’s knife would be a non-factor to that Drake.
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