Here we have Pit from the Kid Icarus series going up against Hall Of Fame winner Kratos!
For this battle both fighters have all equipment and Pit doesn’t have any access to any vehicles.
The battle will take place at the Colosseum.
Who wins?
Pit Vs Kratos
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@theobserver:
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Add one more “what the hell”.
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I mean… we have bloody pictures! I know the internet phrase of “pics or it didn’t happen” is not only cliche but also at times uncalled for, but… no, we have actual pictures that shows that they are wrong. What the hell?!
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Hell, just fly up high enough and you can plainly see the curvature of the Earth. I’ve heard that is around 60k ft or 18.2 km or 11.3 miles. I mean, FFS, just ask someone in the Airforce; they should fly high enough to see it with the naked eye!
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Oh, wow. This hurts. Just wow. There are no more words.
@Chuck inglish:
“And how does Pitt get pass kratos’s Mach 7 reactions?”
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Pit has lasers, and Pit’s RT is higher.
@theobserver
. Honestly id put him on city lvl’s as he was in Gaia as she crumbled apart and destroyed all of Olympus while kratos took a small breather from his fight with zeus and was completly fine,has fallen off the tallest mountain twice(once on purpose) falling into water the first,solid ground the second(while going faster then terminal velocity in the second as well) both being completely unharmed.Tanking the full force of a half a ton of TNT’s force getting sent 88.5 miles without a scratch and even the narrator saying something along the lines”it mattered little to the ghost of Sparta”. Honestly the list goes on numerous feats put him beyond “small rocks and brambles” hence why I state it’s a “joke” or he still can fell gentle things.
City block durability, meet weakness to “the perils of small, sharp rocks and brambles.”
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^Yeah even superman can feel a soft touch with his durability
So i read pits only on skyscraper levels of destructive capabilities. Im not sure if that’s enough. Also as for poly morphing kratos has high magic resistance he tanked Morpheus sleep spell that knocked down a few gods into it slumber while kratos didn’t even yawn and that was country level+ in range
“both being completely unharmed”
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Half-truth. We know that Kratos has some degree of uncanny regeneration as shown when Deimos beat him down in GoS. He feels it for some time, then runs at full force. Next thing you know, he’s fighting Thanatos at full force again. Seriously, this doesn’t tell me that Kratos can’t be scratched by things like small rocks. This tells me that he can get hurt by them, but just heals it somehow. I find it far more likely that he keeps his sandals because he can get hurt by sharp rocks but would rather not because those are bothersome and he has better things to worry about. Also, most if not all the feats that you listed only makes Kratos highly resistant to blunt damage. Cutting damage still gets him just fine as implied in the Game Informer page, the GoW comic, and even gameplay against normal mooks, which you seem to discount simply because Kratos doesn’t usually get cut in cutscenes.
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“even the narrator saying something along the lines”it mattered little to the ghost of Sparta””
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Yet another thing taken out of context. The thing the narrator was talking about was how Kratos didn’t give a damn about Atlantis sinking. It has absolutely nothing to do with being kicked out of that volcano.
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“hence why I state it’s a “joke” or he still can fell gentle things.”
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Once again, I’d rather take the word of a more official source than your unsourced speculation. Read the fine print again. It says that Kratos’ sandals protect him from sharp rocks and brambles. Why would he need protecting if he could just feel them and not get hurt?
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“So i read pits only on skyscraper levels of destructive capabilities. Im not sure if that’s enough.”
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To explosive force. Kratos doesn’t usually deliver that much force in his swings. Besides, it still doesn’t stop Pit from killing him with an instant death laser. As long as Pit stays in range, he shouldn’t have to worry that much. Besides, he also holds the advantage of having higher RT as stated by others numerous times in the thread.
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“sleep spell ”
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Now explain how a spell meant to make you sleep is in any way similar to a spell that changes your form into something else. All that shows is that Kratos is resistant to sleeping spells. We know he isn’t all that resistant to being polymorphed because he gets turned to stone from time to time. Even if he can somehow turn himself back to normal after being polymorphed into an eggplant, that time it takes him to morph will buy Pit more opportunity to blast away.
“Pit has lasers,”
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Fictional lasers are not the same as RL lasers
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“Pit’s RT is higher.”
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Proof?
Nevermind pit stomps kratos
outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com/Character+Profile+-+Pit
@Chuck inglish:
““Pit has lasers,”
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Fictional lasers are not the same as RL lasers”
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That’s not an argument. The lasers in the game look and act like lasers.
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“Proof?”
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He dodges lightning from Phosphora.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcu3HXy1szk&feature=relmfu#t=17m
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Here, he dodges a laser.
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“Nevermind pit stomps kratos”
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He also stomps Sephiroth
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:hestonlaughgif
“That’s not an argument. The lasers in the game look and act like lasers.”
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So does This make Afro FTL?
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And I thought put shot out light, not lasers
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ap1WEqX8kTk&feature=player_detailpage#t=64s
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kidicarus.nintendo.com/uprising/explore-the-game/powers.html#special-attack
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Mega Laser
Unleash a powerful beam that flies [b]straight and true.[/b]
Did anyone see this?
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kidicarus.nintendo.com/uprising/explore-the-game/powers.html#special-effect
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“Playing Dead
Fool enemies into thinking you’re done for, then turn invisible, so attacks pass through you.”
@Chuck inglish:
“So does This make Afro FTL?
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And I thought put shot out light, not lasers”
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No. It doesn’t act like a laser. Just look how it acts at 1:12. That’s not how lasers work.
@theobserver
“Half-truth. We know that Kratos has some degree of uncanny regeneration as shown when Deimos beat him down in GoS. He feels it for some time, then runs at full force. Next thing you know, he’s fighting Thanatos at full force again. Seriously, this doesn’t tell me that Kratos can’t be scratched by things like small rocks. This tells me that he can get hurt by them, but just heals it somehow. I find it far more likely that he keeps his sandals because he can get hurt by sharp rocks but would rather not because those are bothersome and he has better things to worry about. Also, most if not all the feats that you listed only makes Kratos highly resistant to blunt damage. Cutting damage still gets him just fine as implied in the Game Informer page, the GoW comic, and even gameplay against normal mooks, which you seem to discount simply because Kratos doesn’t usually get cut in cutscenes.”
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^Deimos to my knowledge is unquantifiable. We never see how strong he is. Heck his punches did more damage to Kratos then one from Zeus(gow3 boss QTE in which Kratos doesn’t even bleed). As for the mook’s I’ll call game play mechanics and in the comic the animals that harmed him were roc’s(you know the birds that devour elephants for troughs who don’t know the myth’s) so meh.
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“Yet another thing taken out of context. The thing the narrator was talking about was how Kratos didn’t give a damn about Atlantis sinking. It has absolutely nothing to do with being kicked out of that volcano.”
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^The narrator wasn’t stating “Kratos knew he nearly died that day” either now did it?
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“Once again, I’d rather take the word of a more official source than your unsourced speculation. Read the fine print again. It says that Kratos’ sandals protect him from sharp rocks and brambles. Why would he need protecting if he could just feel them and not get hurt?”
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^Go ahead. In a vid they stated Kratos was 8′ tall does that make his 8 year old daughter 6’5″(which people who have done the actual measurements confirmed as Kratos height)?
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“To explosive force. Kratos doesn’t usually deliver that much force in his swings. Besides, it still doesn’t stop Pit from killing him with an instant death laser. As long as Pit stays in range, he shouldn’t have to worry that much. Besides, he also holds the advantage of having higher RT as stated by others numerous times in the thread.”
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^”instant death laser”-Really? Proof of instant death? Or a game mechanic? Please refrain from the word instant as well it’s not very specific.
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“Now explain how a spell meant to make you sleep is in any way similar to a spell that changes your form into something else. All that shows is that Kratos is resistant to sleeping spells. We know he isn’t all that resistant to being polymorphed because he gets turned to stone from time to time. Even if he can somehow turn himself back to normal after being polymorphed into an eggplant, that time it takes him to morph will buy Pit more opportunity to blast away.”
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^Its magic resistance superior then that of the Greek gods. Even if we go by game play Kratos overpowers the magic that poly morphs him(and cannonly most being’s poly morphed stay poly morphed like some Argonauts in gow 2). On another note how do you “kill” a eggplant??? It’s not like it has a heart. Does he have fire weapons?
“^Its magic resistance superior then that of the Greek gods. Even if we go by game play Kratos overpowers the magic that poly morphs him(and cannonly most being’s poly morphed stay poly morphed like some Argonauts in gow 2). On another note how do you “kill” a eggplant??? It’s not like it has a heart. Does he have fire weapons?”
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You just slice the eggplant, not that hard.
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Also, prove that Kratos is immune to polymorphs. Also prove that his magic is “superior.” All I see are claims.
Post 612 is another winning strategy of Pit, just turn intangible and invisible. Kratos can’t physically touch him while Pit can.
“^Its magic resistance superior then that of the Greek gods”
show thier magic resistance then
@mrgendrons 2.0:
“^”instant death laser”-Really? Proof of instant death? Or a game mechanic? Please refrain from the word instant as well it’s not very specific.”
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The power known as “Random Effect” can cause Instant Death. Then there is another power called Instant Death Attack, which may cause death to Pit’s target instantly. It shouldn’t take more than two hits.
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“On another note how do you “kill” a eggplant??? It’s not like it has a heart. Does he have fire weapons?”
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You eat it. The target who has turned into an eggplant cannot attack.
@Alpha or Omega
“You just slice the eggplant, not that hard.”
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^Plants can be grafted
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“Also, prove that Kratos is immune to polymorphs. Also prove that his magic is “superior.” All I see are claims.”
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^I’m going by the comic way of doing things(ranges=power) Morpheus magic was at least on country lvls or more as Athena and Eo’s hinted that it was planetary in power and gorgon poly morphing effects the entire body while being turned into and eggplant only does so to the upper half of your body showing that the gorgon magic is more effective.
@Proto-Mind
“The power known as “Random Effect” can cause Instant Death. Then there is another power called Instant Death Attack, which may cause death to Pit’s target instantly. It shouldn’t take more than two hits.”
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^Is that threw game play or in game description? either way isn’t that a “no limits fallacy”?
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“You eat it. The target who has turned into an eggplant cannot attack.”
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^They still have their legs and I didn’t know pit can eat a 300lbs vegetable in less then a 3 sec’s.
@fallstar thief
Kratos stabbing Zeus with the blade of Olympus while charged and he survived.You can’t stone the final boss in and of the games all of which are gods,they were among the last of the world to fall to Morpheus spell.
“Plants can be grafted”
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Not the effect of Pit’s polymorph though. -_-
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“I’m going by the comic way of doing things(ranges=power) Morpheus magic was at least on country lvls or more as Athena and Eo’s hinted that it was planetary in power and gorgon poly morphing effects the entire body while being turned into and eggplant only does so to the upper half of your body showing that the gorgon magic is more effective.”
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No offense but how does “comic way” make it diiferent?
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Besides, just because it turns part of your body doesn’t mean it’s less superior. Not to mention, the eggplant attacks only leave your legs, not the waist or the crotch.
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Not to mention, Kratos is affected by Gorgon so he can be affected.
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Besides even if he was immune(not really), Pit can just turn invisible and intangible and kill Kratos since he cannot see or hit Pit.
@Alpha or Omega
“Not to mention, Kratos is affected by Gorgon so he can be affected.”
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^Not cannonly. I can’t turn gods to stone in the game and Kratos has superior magic resistance. I’ve been over this with my poly morph hulk argument moths ago. So no the gorgon magics stronger.
Also, the monsters(Kid Icarus) have more mass and are bigger than Kratos, so it is going to affect him.
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“Kratos stabbing Zeus with the blade of Olympus while charged and he survived.You can’t stone the final boss in and of the games all of which are gods,they were among the last of the world to fall to Morpheus spell.”
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What does that have to do with Kratos’s defense against polymorph? You only proved that bosses can’t be polymorphed. Also, it could also mean that Kratos polymorph is weak.
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^Reason why we don’t follow game mechanics.
@mrgendrons 2:0:
“^Is that threw game play or in game description? either way isn’t that a “no limits fallacy”?”
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Game play. I know, you’re probably going to dismiss that as nothing more than a game mechanic. If that’s the case, you’ll have to prove it’s a game mechanic, especially since it’s extremely useful in 9.0 Intensity.
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“^They still have their legs and I didn’t know pit can eat a 300lbs vegetable in less then a 3 sec’s.”
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Mega Laser.
“^Not cannonly. I can’t turn gods to stone in the game and Kratos has superior magic resistance. I’ve been over this with my poly morph hulk argument moths ago. So no the gorgon magics stronger.”
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Stronger than the eggplant? No. Pit’s enemies are bigger than Kratos.
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Also, prove that Kratos can hit someone intangible and invisible.(Pit)
“Not cannonly”
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Cherry picking….
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“I’ve been over this with my poly morph hulk argument moths ago”
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That argument was shot down you lying sack of shit. Kratos doesn’t have any innate resistance to ploymorphing
‘”Kratos stabbing Zeus with the blade of Olympus while charged and he survived.”
does not show MR
“Kratos stabbing Zeus with the blade of Olympus while charged and he survived.You can’t stone the final boss in and of the games all of which are gods,they were among the last of the world to fall to Morpheus spell.”
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Thats a feat of durability, not magic resistance you retarded dumbfuck. Being unable to stone the gods is a gameplay mechanic
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And if Kratos had any magic resistance he wouldn’t have had his ass handed to him by Harry Dresden now would he?
lol people at the lounge tried saying sephirothis mach 300-500
People at the Lounge claim Sephiroth is a continent buster with country level durability too. They’re a bunch of retarded dumbfucks like gendrons
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IIRC the Kratards tried using the Lounge stats for Kratos in Kratos vs Dante, yeah
So how many way does Pit kill Kratos?
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Meteors followed by lightning.
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Mega laser
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Intangibility+ invisibility followed by a “insert sharp weapons”
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Polymorph
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weapon spam
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rain arrows
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black hole
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Instant Death weapon
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Kratos is screwed.
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Mr.Gendrons, I suggest you wait for God of War Ascension and debate….
“As for the mook’s I’ll call game play mechanics ”
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Of course. The age-old repeated argument. I wasn’t talking about those mooks. When I mentioned the comics I meant the Hades goons that attack Kratos in the first 10 pages or so. One of them clearly slices Kratos in the side and he bleeds. Your speculations are once again void.
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“The narrator wasn’t stating “Kratos knew he nearly died that day” either now did it?”
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Now you’re trying to prove something based on what the narrator didn’t say? Good luck trying to prove something that doesn’t exist because the narrator never said it.
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“In a vid they stated Kratos was 8′ tall does that make his 8 year old daughter 6’5″(which people who have done the actual measurements confirmed as Kratos height)?”
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What’s the relevance of this and Kratos being stated to need sandals to protect his feet against rocks?
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As for the instant death attack, it’s a powerup that Pit can combine with his weapons. One of which includes a laser. Another power up makes Pit’s shots invisible. Now exactly how is Kratos going to react to something that is
a) Too fast for him to react to and
b) Invisible
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ca.ign.com/wikis/kid-icarus-uprising/Viridi%27s_Treasure_Hunt_Unlockables
“People at the Lounge claim Sephiroth is a continent buster with country level durability too. They’re a bunch of retarded dumbfucks like gendrons”
i know
ive seen some really retarded people there
Samus Aran vs. Pit.
Samus Aran vs Kratos :ho
@Drynn
The manga version of Afro samurai( canon) shows him deflecting a laser that acts like a real laser here it the scan i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff379/jonesj901/023-1.jpg i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff379/jonesj901/25427fee.jpg
That first image is difficult to see, Chuck inglish. I don’t know if the anime is canon. If it isn’t, I don’t know why you showed me it in the first place. Besides, the manga doesn’t say what kind of beam is being fired, nor does it demonstrate speed visually like the anime does. It really doesn’t help. Either way, Afro Samurai can do just fine.
“Besides, the manga doesn’t say what kind of beam is being fired”
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the manga calls it a forehead laser i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff379/jonesj901/29c185a8.jpg
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“, I don’t know why you showed me it in the first place”
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I forgot I had manga scans
@Chuck inglish:
“the manga calls it a forehead laser”
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I was aware of this in the anime, but it didn’t act the way a laser should have. I hope they didn’t just call it that like fiction mostly does. For example, in the video below, it says: “Use Reflect to deflect laser attacks!”
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=diXEHgf9exg#t=6m
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These act nothing like lasers, however, so we would not grant Sora nanosecond reaction time. You can observe this information about Afro Samurai and whether or not he has ns RT online. From what I’ve seen, most do not accept this as a feat for Afro’s RT.
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Anyway, I don’t even know why this is being discussed in this thread. It was already discussed in the Afro Samurai vs. Blade battle.
I just wanted to prove that Afro has nano second reactions since the laser he deflected acted like a real laser and was acknowledged as one.
@Chuck inglish:
“I just wanted to prove that Afro has nano second reactions since the laser he deflected acted like a real laser and was acknowledged as one.”
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Oh. Well, I’m iffy about it. I personally have no problem with Afro. Seems like a cool character from what I’ve seen today. I’m mostly concerned with Samus. Heh.
Has Pit’s Virus power been touched on? It’s a blend of Interference which prevents his opponents from using powers, Heavenly Light which deals damage over time, and Paralysis which severely reduces speed and reaction time. It’s an AoE power that Pit is not affected by. So whatever magical crap Kratos has is rendered useless. No matter how fast he is.
@Alpha or Omega
“Stronger than the eggplant? No. Pit’s enemies are bigger than Kratos.”
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^Not always not to mention turning a guy into a eggplant is easier as its more genetic alteration in comparison of turning a guy into stone and or gold which chances their chemical structure.
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“Also, prove that Kratos can hit someone intangible and invisible.(Pit)”
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^Sirens of gow 3 say hi. Also can pit do the same or will he be unable to combat intangible souls?
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So you agree we wait a few months hiatus on this for gow A?
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@theobserver
“Of course. The age-old repeated argument. I wasn’t talking about those mooks. When I mentioned the comics I meant the Hades goons that attack Kratos in the first 10 pages or so. One of them clearly slices Kratos in the side and he bleeds. Your speculations are once again void.”
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^Yet when Hades uses his claws on kratos his skin isn’t even harmed?(don’t give me the spiritual attack argument cause enemies bleed when you use them against them and Kratos clearly hooked them onto Hades twice on the second busting his skull open)
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“What’s the relevance of this and Kratos being stated to need sandals to protect his feet against rocks?”
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^I’m stating it’s a hyperbole. Should i say superman where tights so he doesn’t catch a cold?
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@fallstar thief
The blade of Olympus drains magic. Zeus somewhat resisted it and fought on.
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@StealthRanger
“Cherry picking….”
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^Like you when i brought up the “gods don’t get stoned” argument?
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“That argument was shot down you lying sack of shit. Kratos doesn’t have any innate resistance to ploymorphing”
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^Proof of this? Or just big talk? Also I don’t count genetic alteration as poly morphing. Do you?
“I’m stating it’s a hyperbole.”
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Let’s see what the dictionary says about it, shall we?
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Hyperbole
1.
obvious and intentional exaggeration.
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an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”
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As far as can be seen, you’re the one making the hyperbolic claims about Kratos having the same amount of durability as a city block.
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“^Yet when Hades uses his claws on kratos his skin isn’t even harmed?”
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So QTEs aren’t canon now? Kratos bleeds just fine in them, especially in ones where enemies initiate the sequences. Once again cherry picking to small instances where Kratos couldn’t have been slashed, as opposed to the many undeniable instances where he has.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=29x4AyEoIn4#t=5m48s
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“Kratos clearly hooked them onto Hades”
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And what caused his skull to crack exactly? That’s right, Kratos bashing his head on the ground/ceiling. The claws were just latching on. They weren’t the main cause of Hades’ skull busting open. Besides, from what’s been shown, a successful soul grab doesn’t make the target bleed.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2LY3RfNO50#t=6m14s
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“Not always not to mention turning a guy into a eggplant is easier as its more genetic alteration in comparison of turning a guy into stone and or gold which chances their chemical structure.”
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Both of them are caused by magic, which has different effects. Neither is easier than the other. Turning a guy into stone or gold also changes their physical structure, not just the chemical one. That is a superficial difference at most, which doesn’t actually change Kratos’ chances, since he has never been polymorphed into something other than stone. Even then, he is still affected so what does that say about his chances?
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Both forms of magically induced change completely warp the target and changes their physical structure into something that their bodies are not usually comprised of. Kratos is affected by one, so he will likely be affected by the others.
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“Sirens of gow 3 say hi”
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Not only do they have a clear blue glow, but they tend to make a lot of noise. As far as I know, Pit has neither qualities. As such, Kratos gets sniped by an invisible laser that causes instant death.
@theobserver
“As far as can be seen, you’re the one making the hyperbolic claims about Kratos having the same amount of durability as a city block.”
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^In blunt durability he does(gaia feat,mountain falling feats). For piercing it seems better then that of atlas(hades claws feat).
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“So QTEs aren’t canon now? Kratos bleeds just fine in them, especially in ones where enemies initiate the sequences. Once again cherry picking to small instances where Kratos couldn’t have been slashed, as opposed to the many undeniable instances where he has.”
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^No I’m stating in a QTE he’s shown piercing resistance your going on claims on art design of Kratos model.
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“And what caused his skull to crack exactly? That’s right, Kratos bashing his head on the ground/ceiling. The claws were just latching on. They weren’t the main cause of Hades’ skull busting open. Besides, from what’s been shown, a successful soul grab doesn’t make the target bleed.”
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^they ripped off some of his flesh when Kratos hooked Hades on to the ceiling. and clearly hooked onto his skull.
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“Both of them are caused by magic, which has different effects. Neither is easier than the other. Turning a guy into stone or gold also changes their physical structure, not just the chemical one. That is a superficial difference at most, which doesn’t actually change Kratos’ chances, since he has never been polymorphed into something other than stone. Even then, he is still affected so what does that say about his chances?”
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^IRL we can change genetics of living things while what gorgons do is more along the lines of alchemy. Not to mention it fully immobilizes its target in comparison to the eggplant magic.
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“Both forms of magically induced change completely warp the target and changes their physical structure into something that their bodies are not usually comprised of. Kratos is affected by one, so he will likely be affected by the others.”
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^”Both forms of magically induced change completely warp the target and changes their physical structure into something that their bodies are not usually comprised of”-You lost me here. First off pits magic doesn’t “completely” change the victim. and the “not comprised of thing” I’m calling bull on too as both plants and animals are comprised of the same thing: cells, And are living things while stone is an inanimate mineral and a non living thing which completely immobilizes the opponent.
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“Not only do they have a clear blue glow, but they tend to make a lot of noise. As far as I know, Pit has neither qualities. As such, Kratos gets sniped by an invisible laser that causes instant death.”
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^The clear blue glow could be Kratos sixth sense in perception. You also see little sparkles or glitter where hidden chests are. That doesn’t mean others can perceive it. So are you saying kratos won’t here the sound of wings flapping like and idiot or the breeze caused by a human sized fling opponent? Riiiiight
“For piercing it seems better then that of atlas”
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Atlas’ skin is also comprised of a different substance than Kratos’. The comparison therefore does not directly apply.
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“both plants and animals are comprised of the same thing: cells”
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Plant cells:
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www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/plants/cell/anatomy.GIF
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Animal cells:
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www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/animals/cell/anatomy.GIF
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You’re telling me, that completely changing something’s composition to that of a plant is simpler than changing its state of matter? You cook a piece of raw meat until it becomes edible. That very process changes its chemical structure, but it doesn’t turn it into another completely different thing made out of completely different cells. In any case, this is pointless, since both are impossible, and there is no quantifiable way of determining which is “easier” because both petrification (getting turned into stone) and being polymorphed are achieved using magic. The eggplant magic isn’t made useless just because there’s some legs remaining of the target. It still buys precious time to shoot an effectively disoriented target. It’s not like Kratos can block or react to things while he is in eggplant form and thus lacks the eyes to see or arms to block with.
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“No I’m stating in a QTE he’s shown piercing resistance your going on claims on art design of Kratos model.”
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The link I posted on the matter proves otherwise. Kratos bleeds just fine when slashed by those enemies in GoS, which shows that the description of the use of his sandals does hold water. He gets cuts with things just fine, but keeps trucking on because he doesn’t give a damn about getting cut. That, and he tries to avoid getting hit as much as possible because it hurts him.
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Those “claims on art design” had descriptions of his individual items. Note how the other pieces of equipment/features are described. Notice how you’re singling out this one description that proves that Kratos can get cut by mundane objects, while cherry picking instances where he shrugs off blunt damage. If your implication is that this description is hyperbole, then maybe you should first take a look at the claim that says Kratos has the durability of a city block. Also make sure that you can prove all the other descriptions in the page are inaccurate.
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I see no reason for the sandal description to be any less accurate than the rest, especially when there are other instances where Kratos has been harmed by mundane bladed objects. Please realize that I am not arguing against Kratos’ durability against blunt damage, because we’ve seen enough evidence of that. I’m just arguing against the claim that just because Kratos’ skin can resist blunt damage, that resistance to piercing damage also comes in the package. In any case, for the sake of this match, Pit won’t be using bladed weapons since he tends to fight with a longer range.
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“The clear blue glow could be Kratos sixth sense in perception. You also see little sparkles or glitter where hidden chests are. That doesn’t mean others can perceive it.”
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They’re all trying to kill you and presumably have no use for hidden chests with dismembered monster eyes, feathers, etc.
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There’s also the fact that simply because enemies/items are hidden, it doesn’t mean that they are invisible. I think the only invisible opponent Kratos has dealt with was Perseus.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVWiD4c6Tbk#t=1m10s
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Notice the lack of a blue glow. Kratos noticed where he was the whole time because of the surrounding water and the predictability of Perseus’ shots. Something to note is how Perseus’ slingshot always glowed before it struck. Now compare that to Pit, who while invisible flies around at a distance that keeps away from Kratos, and who can use projectiles that he can render invisible as well. Since when did Kratos have a sixth sense?
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“So are you saying kratos won’t here the sound of wings flapping like and idiot or the breeze caused by a human sized fling opponent?”
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This also assumes that Pit will be stupid enough to stay within an earshot of Kratos, and will stay in the same spot the whole time while flying.
I noticed that neither Pit nor Dark Pit flap their wings often during flight. Sure, Pit may have a set path, but Dark Pit flies of his own volition.
And why are we talking about the effects of Eggplant when Tempura is so much better?
Oh if I had a nickel for every time gendrons reiterated a shot down argument… I’d have brought the USA a long time ago
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Besides, the Claws of Hades are a weapon that affect the soul rather than the physical body. And, the claws actually latched on to Kratos’ soul, but he resisted the Claws’ pull because he had enough willpower and you can also resist them if your strong enough to contend with the opponent, hence the need to weaken the opponent beforehand
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“Like you when i brought up the “gods don’t get stoned” argument?”
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Hax powers like that don’t work in boss fights for the sake of difficulty, wouldn’t be fun if you could just hax the boss and be done with it now would it?
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Besides your argument makes no fucking sense. Kratos’ claimed magic resistance is stronger than the Greek Gods and they can be ineffected by it, but Kratos gets effected by the stare. WTF are you going on about?
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Besides, breaking out is a gameplay mechanic. How do you do ‘turn back to normal’ when your skin, bone, muscle and organ tissues are are transmuted into stone? Exactly, you don’t and as such Kratos is able to be effected by Gorgon petrification
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And you’re in any position to talk what with the using QTE’s only if they help your argument like in Kratos vs Dresden and Dante vs Kratos and saying that damage from them isn’t canon because Kratos can be damaged that was. THAT is cherry picking. THAT is a fallacy
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“The blade of Olympus drains magic. Zeus somewhat resisted it and fought on.”
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Kratos never drained Zeus’ powers with it you liar, he charged the BoO and stabbed Zeus with it with intent to kill him. Besides, Kratos doesn’t know how to use the Blade for anything other than a god slaying club in his mortal form
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Besides, if Kratos had any magic resistance (like Kharn with teh Blessing of Khorne like you’re trying to imply via cherry picking) than he wouldn’t have had his ass handed to him by Harry Dresden would he now?
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“they ripped off some of his flesh when Kratos hooked Hades on to the ceiling. and clearly hooked onto his skull”
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If you’re referring to the ‘tug of war’ thing Kratos performed when he threw one of the Blades of Exile in Hades’ face and had one of them tangled with one of Hades’ claws, and used attached the claws to the roof and used it as leverage to bang Hades against the roof several times and collapse the roof of Hades’ throne room on him, which smashed Hades’ helmet off and heavily injured him afterwards, yeah, he never once used the Claws of Hades on Hades during that event. Boy do I love calling you out for taking things out of context (which is…. always)
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As for your piercing damage immunity argument, WTF would be the point of blocking arrows, swords, lightning, fire, projectiles and physical attacks (ie claws) from random enemies and everything else with the Golden Fleece when he could just sit there and tank them anyways with no damage? Exactly, because if he doesn’t block them, he gets hurt by them (if he had piercing damage immunity then he wouldn’t have had been owned by Dante now would he? and before you call gameplay mechanics, being hurt by things isn’t gameplay mechanics, being only slightly injured by rocket launchers to the face when they’re fired at you from 2ft away is gameplay mechanics)
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Observer covered the sandals part quite nicely
“Since when did Kratos have a sixth sense?”
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Never? Srsly, gendrons is just trying to give Kratos feats/powers he doesn’t actually have and using his personal interpretations that nobody buys as per always (I swear to god he claimed that Kratos was immune to reality warping because when Zeus’ astral projection attacked him his health and magic bars were being drained and that he was FTL because he saw the sun fall from earth as well as being able to tank planet+ level life wiping attacks because of the Morpheus sleep spell thing. Heh, lulz all around)
lol yea ^
gow fans can get pretty bad
ive see some that claim kratos has planet+ durability because kratos tanked punches from hercules who held up the world in mistranslated myths
“Sure, Pit may have a set path, but Dark Pit flies of his own volition.”
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Just throwing this bit in here.
There is only going to be two possibilities for Pit being able to actually fly in this match. Either Palutania is actively helping him with her Power of Flight (outside help) or he has the Sacred Treasure known as the Pegisus Wings/Boots/whatever.
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The former isn’t allowed without an exception to the rules.
The later is implied to be fully under his own control.
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During his second fight against Medusa (that is, chapter 9 of Uprising) he will always bring along that Sacred Treasure even if he declines to bring the shield or the arrows of light. While Palutania has direct control over Pit’s path while the Power of Flight is in effect, she does not have explicate control over him while he is using that item. Moreover, the first Kid Icarus game shows that he can control his flight on his own with that item. So, when Pit is fighting Medusa in Uprising, him having a set path is not so much Palutania’s doing (as it is in nearly all of the other levels), but merely just the path that he has chosen and game mechanics prevent the player from actively forming that path.
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Additionally, Dark Pit may not have a set path, but in the level where you play as him, and that is a flight heavy level, YOU have a set path. Again, game play and story segregation. The characters can choose where they want to fly, but the player is limited to a set path despite the fact that the charater has that choice.
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If Pit is flying due to that Sacred Treasure item then he has full fledge flight without pathway limitations.
Oh I know, he’s so overhyped to death its fucking ridiculous. Nowadays I mostly go with those who fight him because his fanboys are amongst the worst
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“Kratos killz GoW godz so hez can beat Marvel’s Thor who iz FTL planet buster!!!11!!2″
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” the titans are cosmic beings and since zeus can kill the with them BoO kratos with it can kill cosmics”
lol
Hey gendork! I found a little flaw in your “Kratos is immune to magic because of resisting Morpheus’ black fog” argument. You can resist it by possessing fire. Kratos was in possession of the Efreet at the time right? That means his “resistance” came from possession of fire powers rather than innate magical resistance
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Oh and we can’t forget how he used the Chariot of Helios after he left Athena’s temple too
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Which fire only gave him resistance to that mental status effect and he has no innate magical resistance to anything so far, thus Pit can still ploymorph or insta-death him with his insta-death lazorz
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Ah, isn’t it nice when 5 minutes of research can bring down your personal interpretations and fanwanking? So now what gendork?
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Posting this because fuck this thread. A million internets if you get this.
My first impression from the comments I am with Pit for this one
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But is Kratos still a God by the end when he stabbed himself
@OriginalA
You’re absolutely right, and the rules say that he gets the wings. The point I was trying to make was simply in response to what was said about Kratos hearing the wings flap or feeling the gusts of air. There is none of either, since I rarely see Pit or Dark Pit flap their wings.
Would anyone think Dark Pit vs Shadow the Hedgehog would be interesting if we limited Shadow to his basic form? (no super status)
“But is Kratos still a God by the end when he stabbed himself”
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No, Kratos is a demigod. He’s been de-goded since the start of GoW2
@Zolanius:
“Would anyone think Dark Pit vs Shadow the Hedgehog would be interesting if we limited Shadow to his basic form? (no super status)”
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I don’t think so. As I always say, if a character has to be lowered in something, or if a character’s ability, or item, or upgrade has to be removed to make the battle fair, then that character has already won by default.
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I mean, well, Pit does have ns RT, and he can fly pretty fast, but I don’t know. I would expect to see Hyper Shadow if the two were going to face each other.
What about Pit vs Sephiroth? :maybe
“As I always say, if a character has to be lowered in something, or if a character’s ability, or item, or upgrade has to be removed to make the battle fair, then that character has already won by default.”
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Than Pit has auto won here because he was stripped of his vehicles :zaru
Dark Pit is every bit as powerful as Pit is, I believe. Though him having powers and Miracles might be game mechanics so Light vs Dark matches are more fair. So I’m not sure if Dark Pit can really match Pit move for move.
@StealthRanger:
“Than Pit has auto won here because he was stripped of his vehicles :zaru”
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That’s what I said before. Although I did mention the GST before. Yet, that seems to act on its own volition, so Pit might not be able to use it in future battles anyway.
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@Zolanius:
“Dark Pit is every bit as powerful as Pit is, I believe. Though him having powers and Miracles might be game mechanics so Light vs Dark matches are more fair. So I’m not sure if Dark Pit can really match Pit move for move.”
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Dark Pit is a direct copy of Pit, so I can see the two being capable of doing the same thing. I don’t expect to see a Pit vs. Dark Pit match, though. I would suspect Pit would win with the Three Sacred Treasures.
OriginalA said the GST was a vehicle when I brought it up somewhere in the first two pages. As for Dark Pit having powers, its still iffy to me. When Pit uses powers he thanks or says Palutena’s name. So if its her doing then Dark Pit might not get those.
Really? I don’t recall Pit ever thanking Palutena. I do recall when healing myself or getting myself out of that critical moment that Pit says, “Thanks”. I always assumed he was breaking the fourth wall and speaking to me.
Try spamming as many powers as you can. You’ll hear him shout “Lady Palutena!” or something like that.
Anyway, Pit had to fight the GST, so it’s autonomous. If Pit used it, it would be outside help.
The way he starts in the final chapter, it looks almost like a summon, as it forms around him. So it could be sentient then providing assistance like summons from any other game.
Off Topic: It might be a dead thread but does anyone want to weigh in on the last fact I brought up in Megatron vs the GST?
@theobserver
“Atlas’ skin is also comprised of a different substance than Kratos’. The comparison therefore does not directly apply.”
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^ Either way atlas skin was punctured by Hades claws while Kratos’ skin was not thus either his skins harder or retardedly thicker.
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“You’re telling me, that completely changing something’s composition to that of a plant is simpler than changing its state of matter? You cook a piece of raw meat until it becomes edible. That very process changes its chemical structure, but it doesn’t turn it into another completely different thing made out of completely different cells. In any case, this is pointless, since both are impossible, and there is no quantifiable way of determining which is “easier” because both petrification (getting turned into stone) and being polymorphed are achieved using magic. The eggplant magic isn’t made useless just because there’s some legs remaining of the target. It still buys precious time to shoot an effectively disoriented target. It’s not like Kratos can block or react to things while he is in eggplant form and thus lacks the eyes to see or arms to block with.”
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^What I’m saying its harder to change the whole chemical structure that that is the human body in comparison to genetically “modifying” it. That and the stoning magic effects the whole body of the target and that Ive seen nothing that makes it stronger then gorgons magic apart from range when finding a target other than that gow poly morphing seems overall more powerful.
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“The link I posted on the matter proves otherwise. Kratos bleeds just fine when slashed by those enemies in GoS, which shows that the description of the use of his sandals does hold water. He gets cuts with things just fine, but keeps trucking on because he doesn’t give a damn about getting cut. That, and he tries to avoid getting hit as much as possible because it hurts him.”
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^GOW gos? You mean when Kratos got beat up by his bother? That guy seemingly hits harder then Zeus with that gauntlet of his considering the time it too him to recover from a single punch from each (and Zeus supposedly has the same strength as Kratos)
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“There’s also the fact that simply because enemies/items are hidden, it doesn’t mean that they are invisible. I think the only invisible opponent Kratos has dealt with was Perseus.”
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^so Kratos seeing Pit’s shadow is now a viable option?
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“This also assumes that Pit will be stupid enough to stay within an earshot of Kratos, and will stay in the same spot the whole time while flying.”
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^Kratos heard the sun chariot fall to marthon to attica…It was 15 miles away and the Colosseum ain’t that big.
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@StealthRanger
“Besides, the Claws of Hades are a weapon that affect the soul rather than the physical body. And, the claws actually latched on to Kratos’ soul, but he resisted the Claws’ pull because he had enough willpower and you can also resist them if your strong enough to contend with the opponent, hence the need to weaken the opponent beforehand”
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^Kratos makes his opponents bleed using the claws including Hades(ripping off his flesh with them on the ceiling and latching them on his skull) while Hades punctured atlas skin with the as well.
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“Hax powers like that don’t work in boss fights for the sake of difficulty, wouldn’t be fun if you could just hax the boss and be done with it now would it?”
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^Not really Kratos was allowed to use time stops in the sisters of fate fight. Didn’t make it any easier. You couldn’t stone them either.
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“Besides your argument makes no fucking sense. Kratos’ claimed magic resistance is stronger than the Greek Gods and they can be ineffected by it, but Kratos gets effected by the stare. WTF are you going on about?”
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^Eh Kratos varies game to game. Going by cannon cut scenes yes Kratos resisted global magic better then the gods. as for Kratos getting stoned that’s only game play and Kratos reverses that magic easily
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“If you’re referring to the ‘tug of war’ thing Kratos performed when he threw one of the Blades of Exile in Hades’ face and had one of them tangled with one of Hades’ claws, and used attached the claws to the roof and used it as leverage to bang Hades against the roof several times and collapse the roof of Hades’ throne room on him, which smashed Hades’ helmet off and heavily injured him afterwards, yeah, he never once used the Claws of Hades on Hades during that event. Boy do I love calling you out for taking things out of context (which is…. always)”
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I was referring to just before Kratos reaps Hades soul he latches the claws on his skull and bashes his face against the floor.
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“Besides, breaking out is a gameplay mechanic. How do you do ‘turn back to normal’ when your skin, bone, muscle and organ tissues are are transmuted into stone? Exactly, you don’t and as such Kratos is able to be effected by Gorgon petrification”
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^Hes a half god with magic resistance and a magical being in his own right. He seems to just will himself back to his old form.
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“As for your piercing damage immunity argument, WTF would be the point of blocking arrows, swords, lightning, fire, projectiles and physical attacks (ie claws) from random enemies and everything else with the Golden Fleece when he could just sit there and tank them anyways with no damage? Exactly, because if he doesn’t block them, he gets hurt by them (if he had piercing damage immunity then he wouldn’t have had been owned by Dante now would he? and before you call gameplay mechanics, being hurt by things isn’t gameplay mechanics, being only slightly injured by rocket launchers to the face when they’re fired at you from 2ft away is gameplay mechanics)”
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^Dante’s old news man. Besides you agreed it was only a win due to time dickery.
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“Never? Srsly, gendrons is just trying to give Kratos feats/powers he doesn’t actually have and using his personal interpretations that nobody buys as per always (I swear to god he claimed that Kratos was immune to reality warping because when Zeus’ astral projection attacked him his health and magic bars were being drained and that he was FTL because he saw the sun fall from earth as well as being able to tank planet+ level life wiping attacks because of the Morpheus sleep spell thing. Heh, lulz all around)”
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no offense but : www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2010/07/humans-have-a-lot-more-than-five-senses/
(and you call me the dumb-ass) Kratos has WAY more then six senses.
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“Hey gendork! I found a little flaw in your “Kratos is immune to magic because of resisting Morpheus’ black fog” argument. You can resist it by possessing fire. Kratos was in possession of the Efreet at the time right? That means his “resistance” came from possession of fire powers rather than innate magical resistance”
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^Hey buddy he didn’t use any magic on his whole run for 15 miles while Morpheus spell was going on. also he’d have to activate the magic to use it or he’d of been burning enemies just by touching them(way to take things out of context)
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^Nice try though.
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I say we put this on hiatus for gow a. As it deals with near composites of both.
The Hell makes you think Pit has a shadow when invisible? The power is called “Transparency” not “crappy cloaking.”
@Zolanius
He’d still make noise and Kratos ear’s can hear things up to 15 miles away.
Unless he’s a ninja, he won’t be accurate from sound alone. But he never was accurate. More like “swing until I hit something” kind of guy. And again I bring up Virus, killing reaction time, mobility and magic. So he’s left to just his durability. But durability is nothing to magically induced instant death.
@Darthgrim
Not sure if it was answered or not, because I just happened to glance but it’s because if I recall correctly Calvin and Hobbes philosophical views were based on both of the above shown.
@Zolanius
Deadliest warrior confirmed Spartans>ninja’s. Kratos is a spartan. Kratos also chucked a lightning bolt a few hundred feet away and hit a small chain holding pandras box so yes he IS accurate.
Still didn’t answer to the Virus+Instant Death attacks.
@Zolanius
hence why Kratos was in search of ambrosia.
Kratos was unaffected by the plague that went through Sparta and nearly killed his daughter
Okay Gendrons, dude Deadliest warrior has been shown to be utter bullshit, and you can’t take any of their “findings” with any semblance credence. The fact that you are trying to use that show as a basis for anything factual in this match is silly. That and really the whole ninja thing has no bearing on the match, a match by the way that has already been won by Pit anyway.
@Gendrons
That Spartan had full armor Kratos is barely not naked.
Virus isn’t a sickness or plague, its a magically afflicted status. An Area-of-Effect power that screws around with whatever is caught in its… I think its a fifteen foot range from the center. And he can’t dodge it since its instantaneous and ruins mobility.
@TopaztheSpaz
Dude you know it was just a gag reference right? Also nothing has been really “won” honestly quite a few agree we should wait for gow A to be decisive.
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@GuardianAngel1911
Kratos wasn’t naked in gow 2′s intro. Not to mention he’s far more durable then a regular human
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@Zolanius
You do know how wide the coliseum is right???
@Zol
I might know of someone who might have equipment to fight something like what you’re mentioning.
It doesn’t matter how big the arena is, most of Kratos’ strengths lie in close to mid range. So there goes his strategy for getting close. Or Pit could just use Black Hole to keep him in place and then use Virus. There’s no way in Hell that Kratos can match Pit from long range anyways. I thought we were past this point.
so we should wait for a prequel to determine things, even though the latest incarnation of Kratos is already milling about?
@Zolanius
But Kratos does have NUMEROUS long range attacks and abilities so don’t count him out. If only the weather was specified in the match. Then he could use his light speed weapon (Helios shield doing an Archimedes death ray)
@TopaztheSpaz
Cause this Kratos in the match gets ALL equipment from the games and opne of the powers in GOW A is time dickery which we’ve yet to see true feats of.
Has Daybreak been decided on? The weapon, not the time of day for the idiots who take things literally. (Virus as a plague? Morons.)
Yeah wasn’t that debunked several times over a few pages back the whole deathray thing I mean, and I apologize it states Kratos has all his gear, so maybe Pre GoW1 Kratos got something super uber game winning in the new game, but honestly I still doubt that he has a real chance against Pit
Tome dickery helps only if Kratos is fast enough to activate it before getting a blast through the eye, and it has been shown several times over Pit’s RT is superior to Kratos’. That and I’m pretty sure it was shown that Kratos still needs a outside influence to use his time altering powers.
*Time
@TopaztheSpaz
It was debunked due to lack of a substantial source of light(with my Helios head argument, but I’m not sure if i mentioned his light of dawn magic or weather conditions)
@Topaz
Do you think that Kratos vs the Puella Magi of the Madoka Magica anime series(main series itself only unless the ones from the spin-offs ought to be added, too!) would be a potentially fairer fight than in here, true or false?
@TopaztheSpaz
Nope he doesn’t need out side influences on this one(life cycle). Also I hear he will be harnessing the elements so he could turn into a true lightning timer.
@TopaztheSpaz:
“so we should wait for a prequel to determine things, even though the latest incarnation of Kratos is already milling about?”
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No. Kratos has already lost. It’s only mrgendrons 2.0 who persists in saying Kratos would win.
Pit wins, Kratos loses, the end. I’m out!
@Proto-Mind
Nice avatar.
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We seriously need to see thoughs feat’s of his weapons and abilities in gow a(remember once an award is given it can never be taken back so we should be sure)
controlling lightning =/= to having the same RT. That and Pit can react to lasers, light>>>>lightning. Like I said before this match was decided awhile back, hell it was one of the first matches I posted on. My stance on the outcome is going to stay the same. Pit wins this.
@CC on Kratos vs PMMM:
No. Homura would just stop time and put a bullet in between his eyes in the first opening seconds. If that failed, well:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=S75J91jx8BA
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And if that failed she could just turn back time and do it all again till she got it right.
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Forget fighting all of them; Homura alone is almost certainly a curbstomp battle. She’s a very powerful time manipulator.
mmm Homura I hated her at first, but near the end of the series she became my favorite character
@mrgendrons 2.0:
“Nice avatar.”
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Thanks. I think so, too.
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“We seriously need to see thoughs feat’s of his weapons and abilities in gow a(remember once an award is given it can never be taken back so we should be sure)”
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Except, the rules here are referring to the existing games. Ascension is late on this one. Watch, Ascension is going to come out and nothing new is going to be put on the table to prove Kratos had a chance against Pit in the first place.
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Damn composite forms. They’re not even canon anyway.