Here we have Pit from the Kid Icarus series going up against Hall Of Fame winner Kratos!
For this battle both fighters have all equipment and Pit doesn’t have any access to any vehicles.
The battle will take place at the Colosseum.
Who wins?
Pit Vs Kratos
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@Zol
it’s only being brought up as a grasping at straws attempt to claim Kratos wins, which has been disproved through various different methods. Of course it doesn’t matter but since Gendrons insists on trying to prove the cosmic power Kratos supposedly has we are proving he isn’t.
Pit has cosmic powers because he has polymorphing and can create black holes. The end.
@GuardianAngel1911
They seem to be adding greek myth(gow never brought up chaos or nyx not to mention the steeds of time were just stated as a gift)
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@StealthRanger
if the world was flat in GoW the “Poseidon flood” wouldn’t have happened. or the underworld would be COMPLETELY submerged. unless the planet got “finished” in gow 3 both of which are ludicrous.
Well we don’t really know how the Poseidon flood affected the world, we saw the immediate effect around Olympus but it may not have effected things across the GoW world, flat or not. Also there seem to be crevices all over the place that lead to parts of the underworld, several on the Island of Creation, all around Olympus, it could be that those helped to keep the flood in check to a point. Also if you look at the image the underworld seems far more extensive.
@GuardianAngel1911
With stealth’s pic of the gow3 map(which i insist is a cross section) already had water flowing over LONG before Poseidon death. Could also be the retarded explanation for the five oceans. But gow can be VERY inconsistent.
Talking about whether the world is flat or not. This debate has gotten strange. Meanwhile, Kid Icarus has explored space and beyond. Even Hades has a separate plane of existence in his belly. And he resides in the Underworld, which is arguably in another dimension or at least WAY down in the Earth.
@Zol
well considering the mechanics of the two universes are different it makes sense that it could be a dimensional thing.
“if the world was flat in GoW the “Poseidon flood” wouldn’t have happened. or the underworld would be COMPLETELY submerged”
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Well it happened bub. No cherry picking of yours is going to change it. Official sources have the world as flat, hence the need of pillars to hold of the “planet” and Tartarus at the bottom being far more extensive
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Otherwse by your retarded “logic” all the rivers and seas would have drained dry a long ass time ago because of an edge
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Hence with my pic, we go with Occam’s razor
@StealthRanger
“Well it happened bub. No cherry picking of yours is going to change it. Official sources have the world as flat, hence the need of pillars to hold of the “planet” and Tartarus at the bottom being far more extensive”
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^See I kinda just gave you a BIG a$$ plot hole for your earth is flat argument for gow argument(like I stated its a crossection for the gow3 map) not to mention trailers and other offical art put earth as round. And that gaia nor anyone claimed the earth was flat in GoW. not to mention if the water was filling thoughs creveses of the underwold wed have seen
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“Hence with my pic, we go with Occam’s razor”
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^ www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZRgKmLRkaY
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^both give the finger to your flat argument and are both from Santa Monica studio’s.
huge water currents.
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@Zolanius
Really the best kratos did was ride the sun chariot and go the the alternate dimension of Thanatos(AKA deaths domain) and get sucked in pocket dimensions.
“like I stated its a crossection for the gow3 map”
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Occams Razor. The picture portrays GoW “earth” as a section of ground that was supported by pillars from Tartarus and that the Earth ended at some point (also the pulling the Island of Creation away from the edge of the earth thing), thus we go with that as it has the least assumptions,contrary to your “cross-section” speculation and cherry picking
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“And that gaia nor anyone claimed the earth was flat in GoW. ”
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Eh,nobody cares, still doesn’t invalidate the GoW ‘earth’ being flat
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“not to mention trailers”
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Trailers simply outline the plot of the story and don’t show anything that actually happens in the game, hence why Kratos didn’t dodge real lightning and Atlas didn’t grab an actual star. You fail
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The astralobe is simply an interpretation of the solar system by the Ancient Greeks and doesn’t prove anything about the earth in GoW. This has been told to you in the Last Man Standing: Round 1. However official art has the earth as flat as it was held up by pillars within Tartarus, hence its not even a proper planet and Helios’ chariot is the sun and theres no actual star in GoW
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Thanks but I’ll take the GoW canon over your cherry picking and fanwanking thank you very much
“Really the best kratos did was ride the sun chariot and go the the alternate dimension of Thanatos(AKA deaths domain) and get sucked in pocket dimensions.”
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Do you have actual quotes or proof or anything?
“Do you have actual quotes or proof or anything?”
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If he’s going to try the black hole argument again…..
@Stealth
posted some feats on Sephiroth vs Dresden.
I’ll go and check them out
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And we posted at the same time on this thread lol
@Alpha
actually I can go over all those, I’ve played the games.
Ride the Sun chariot occured in Chains of Olympus, he rode it to Hades and not even that far in.
Pocket Dimension I assume is the mind rape thing where he fought clones of himself in God of War 1.
Going to Thanatos domain, he walked in in Ghost of Sparta.
So they are actually other dimensions?
Or just different locations in God of War?
@Alpha
They didn’t say, I don’t think.
@NKB
Considering that as ever, not enough people are coming in, I might have to suggest Sol Badguy vs Fate/Zero Servants and be ready with the question in mind, that fine by you?
Which Servant can Sol Badguy defeat?
@Alpha
Hades definitely isn’t from what we’ve seen in the games.
the Pocket Dimension was reliving Kratos worst memory so I’m pretty sure not a true dimension. Thanos domain….not sure, it’s described as between the world of the living and world of the dead, a purgatory as sorts but it’s reached through a gate, no drop or real shift between them that I could tell. so you got me.
cross as i said earlier i dont know sol so i cant awnser that question
@StealthRanger
“Occams Razor. The picture portrays GoW “earth” as a section of ground that was supported by pillars from Tartarus and that the Earth ended at some point (also the pulling the Island of Creation away from the edge of the earth thing), thus we go with that as it has the least assumptions,contrary to your “cross-section” speculation and cherry picking”
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^i don’t know where you guys got the pull the island away from the edge thing cause i never recall that in gow2 AT ALL (not even in toughs alters)could just be a editor’s speculation.
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“The astralobe is simply an interpretation of the solar system by the Ancient Greeks and doesn’t prove anything about the earth in GoW. This has been told to you in the Last Man Standing: Round 1. However official art has the earth as flat as it was held up by pillars within Tartarus, hence its not even a proper planet and Helios’ chariot is the sun and theres no actual star in GoW”
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^nor does you art work both of which are not in the game but from official sources. as for the “sun” i do belive kratos actually got that chariot into space considering he got knocked out ,the sun chariot without its owner(helios) would of fallen from the sky yet has been up their for a decade and the fact apollo seems to have died(the co-pilot).So the game designers art is wrong when you also use other ART(nothing actually in the game) in you own arguments? isn’t that a double standard?
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“Trailers simply outline the plot of the story and don’t show anything that actually happens in the game, hence why Kratos didn’t dodge real lightning and Atlas didn’t grab an actual star. You fail”
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^kratos fought the Persian army(in the trailer and game),it was dark(in game and trailer),helios was kidnapped(never shown how that is just one interpratation),gods and titans can change size(cronus gow 1 and then three appears to have changed size and number of fingers) etc etc. the list goes on. After all is said and done i have more proof the earth is round in GowW then you do it being flat. (did you not think that was just the great chasm of gow2 in the picture buddy???)
@Alpha or Omega
The only confirmed one is the domain of death”nestled between the realm of the living and dead” and is only acessable via a portal in Atlantis.
alright im suggesting the kratos vs servant gauntlet
but should it be an actual gauntlet where its waekest to strongst see how far hw gets
or a random order and to see how many he can beat
“nor does you art work both of which are not in the game but from official sources”
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“So the game designers art is wrong when you also use other ART(nothing actually in the game) in you own arguments?”
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Difference is I use an actual picture of the God of War earth. You on the other hand try to use an *interpretation* of the earth and cherry pick to make your claim right. Thus my claim holds more weight as I have an actual image of GoW Earth
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“kratos fought the Persian army(in the trailer and game)”
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Not all at once now did he?
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“helios was kidnapped(never shown how that is just one interpratation)”
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Or it was simply used to outline the plot and imply Helios’ chariot was stolen. When in the game its blatantly stated to be Helios’ chariot
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“gods and titans can change size”
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Which is an ability they’ve shown in the game
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Yet things that happen in the trailers usually never actually happen in the game and are normally used to outline the plot. Also in the GoW trailer, the Olympians are in the Clouds, yet in the actual game they live on Mt. Olympus. Hence trailers simply outline the plot and don’t show actual feats, why is why GoW Earth isn’t an actual planet and is simply a section of ground above GoW Tartarus supported by pillars
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“After all is said and done i have more proof the earth is round in GowW then you do it being flat.”
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No,you’re just making it unnneccesarily complicated to try to wank Kratos’ dick by ignoring canon and cherry picking from lesser sources of canon to prove your (retardedly flawed) theory
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Also then sun is Helios’ chariot as blatantly stated by the narrator. After all, when Atlas pulled Helios’ chariot from the sky in CoO and when the sun suddenly stopped in GoW3 when Helios fell from the sky. This has been explained in Hulk vs Kratos and Sephiroth vs Kratos. Does this have to be gone over again?
@fallstar knight
Care to elaborate on the servant verse(is it an anime or something or just any servant of any gener?)
Cronos’s size didn’t change the temple of Pandora’s size did. Cronos is pretty consistent. the Sun thing was he had Helios and the “power” of the sun not the sun itself. Presumably the stealing of Helios was so the chariot would be locked and the gods would be helpless to stop the plot, it wasn’t that Atlas couldn’t destroy the pillar of his own accord, it was that the Olympians would have come down and owned his ass again.
the servants are heroic spirits(legends like hercules, gilgamesh, king arthur)
theyre from the fate/ franchise part of the nasuverse
i think i put a link earlier on this match
also a demigod fighting through an invading army isn’t that impressive all things considered. especially since the Persian King was able to block Kratos blows and give him trouble in some cases.
@StealthRanger
“Difference is I use an actual picture of the God of War earth. You on the other hand try to use an *interpretation* of the earth and cherry pick to make your claim right. Thus my claim holds more weight as I have an actual image of GoW Earth”
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No you used a crossescetion that shows the gow3 map. i show what the creators of the game belive the planet in GoW looks like. besides i have 2 pieces of evidence while you only have one gow3 map that shows the GREAT CHASM ever stop to think it was to avoid having it fall into that pit?
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“Not all at once now did he?”
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^Kratos alone fought the Persian army. heck his cameo in heavenly sword makes that quite clear. Not to mention he killed their king and basilisk.
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“Which is an ability they’ve shown in the game”
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^Yep cronus. gow 3 and gow1 the size drastically changes.
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“No,you’re just making it unnneccesarily complicated to try to wank Kratos’ dick by ignoring canon and cherry picking from lesser sources of canon to prove your (retardedly flawed) theory”
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^Naw your just pissed at me. and im using simple logic(water misplacement,official art,the great chasm being in the picture which pretty much falls under: Occams Razor or the simplest answer. AKA the chasm being in the art AT best.
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Also then sun is Helios’ chariot as blatantly stated by the narrator. After all, when Atlas pulled Helios’ chariot from the sky in CoO and when the sun suddenly stopped in GoW3 when Helios fell from the sky. This has been explained in Hulk vs Kratos and Sephiroth vs Kratos. Does this have to be gone over again?
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^things shape-shift in GoW for starters, the chariots obviously in space hench why its up in the sky without a driver and not plummeting(at least in orbit)
“No you used a crossescetion that shows the gow3 map”
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Or we claim Occams Razor and go with the thing that has the least assumptions. Which it portrays the earth in GoW as being flat and being supported by pillars from Tartarus which has an edge. Get that through your thick skull
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“besides i have 2 pieces of evidence”
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On which is a simple interpretation which is contradicted by actual art of the earth and nothing more, another from cherry picking which nobody with a double digit IQ is buying (using trailers. Seriously?)
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“Kratos alone fought the Persian army”
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Yeah, in groups of time in a city in the game. Not in a desert facing them all at once. The trailer always contradict what happens in the game itself and only outlines the plot
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“things shape-shift in GoW for starters”
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The gods can
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“he chariots obviously in space hench why its up in the sky without a driver and not plummeting(at least in orbit)”
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Which I believe was covered in Sephiroth vs Kratos or something. Do we have to go over this again?
We should wait until God of War goes from anchient Greece era tech to futuristic sci-fi tech but still keep the anchient Greece era setting.
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Also wait for Kratos’ next game to be injected with 4th wall breaking humor and a fucking Gundam suit thing.
@Mad-Eye
The idea of God of War having mobile suits could either be a bad idea, or just crazy enough to work!
Then Hades destroys them all.
@Cross
I was only joking lol.
So…I’ve heard Pit has a rail-gun…….
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Kratos gets obliterated by a Mach 7 projectile then?
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What? Regular Bronze weapons (swords, arrows, spears, etc) from mooks can harm him
Actually on the army thing, you want to talk about taking on armies Dresden and a small band of humans and a physical god and a demon killing dog dog nine total life forms counting the dog attacked an army of demonic bat monster vampires with guns and gods in an uphill battle to reach to top of the Kukulkan temple pyramid. Kratos has never faced an actual full on true army all at once alone or otherwise, maybe twenty or thirty at most but not hundreds or thousands of beings that were potentially stronger and faster than him. That is fighting an army, Kratos fought small squads or maybe battalions but never an army.
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now on the world flat or round thing, there is no mantle to the planet, there is the crust where the world of the living is and the core where Hades is, now lets assume for a moment it was round, that means there had to be hundreds if not thousands of pillars to keep the planet from collapsing in on itself. A single pillar wouldn’t have done jack squat to it, meaning Persephone’s plan wouldn’t have done much, Now I suppose you could argue that it was a specific tectonic plates pillar but that still probably wouldn’t have been stable and would have needed more than one pillar to work.
Now on to the Helios thing, one the Chariot is not that large, it looking distant and being in atmosphere is possible, also if the the world was round Helios would never be at Olympus he would always be traveling. From the looks of it the Chariots autopilot didn’t exist.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ1iKaoL9hA&feature=related
4:30 the sun looks real so whats the point ? The world pretty much look original I mean rounded.
And in God of war Gaia said “And So he went to Rhodes To deliver the final blow to the huge city It’s Ancient Greece or Ancient World.
@fallstar knight.
I’d peg Kratos winning against Avenger and the 4th and 5th War’s Assassins but that’s about it. The rest has too much hax on their side.
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Take 5th Lancer for example. Heart-seeking spear that ignores defenses and reverses causality to strike the heart before it’s activated, ruining the body from within through a thousand iron thorns? And it can be used seven times in a row before recharging prana? Yeah… good luck. Because luck was literally the only thing that prevented Saber from dying from it during her fight.
kratos wants to fight an army?
1:40 in
I believe observer shot the sun thing down in Sephiroth vs Kratos or something
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Something along the lines of Helios’ chariot being the sun and Helios’ death causing his chariot to die or something:
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“He’s not on the sun, but his chariot is confirmed to be the sun! How many times do I have to argue this? His death immediately caused his chariot to die out! He pulls the chariot to simulate how day and night works in God of War. Since he is not there to pull it, it means that the sun is not moving. This does not invalidate the canon fact that the sun is Helios’ Chariot!”
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observer. Sephiroth vs Kratos. Post #119
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Since I can’t be fucked re-iterating the same points over and over again
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LSS, the GoW sun isn’t an actual star. It’s Helios’ chariot!
@cypher
wasnt going to include avenger my fate/ha knowlege is limited although i could
i did include jack the ripper though
“kratos wants to fight an army?”
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He was Destroying City after City
“Enough Kratos”
Another durability feat for Pit. He was fired out a huge cannon that launched him through the atmosphere and well into space.
Yeah, he killed populaces of cities (with his armies) and left them in ruin. He’s not a city buster or anywhere near it
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And it has no bearing on this fight anyways
@NKB
Those numbers could be too much!
@Cypher
Any chance that Sol Badguy could fight the kind of armies that NKB or Admiral GuardianAngel1911 mentioned?
“4:30 the sun looks real so whats the point ? The world pretty much look original I mean rounded.”
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Okay, so let’s try to explain how the day/night cycle would work on a round GoW Earth. For starters, it doesn’t revolve around a star, since that role is played by Helios’ sun chariot. Without a star in the solar system, the Earth would not be in orbit since there is no star pulling it with its gravitational pull. GoW Earth would then be stationary in space. Of course is this should be obvious, and would be true regardless of if the planet in GoW is round or flat.
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However, the problems begin to rise when we start to ponder the implications of having a round Earth, whose day/night cycle is dependent on the Sun Chariot. Bearing in mind that the day/night cycle is purely dependent on Helios and where is Sun Chariot is at the time, this presents several problems. First of all, in order for a constant day/night cycle to exist in a round world, Helios would have to make up for the Earth’s natural orbit. Since the Earth is not in orbit with a star, Helios would somehow have to travel the planet’s circumference (24,901 miles/40,075 km) in 24 hours. In order to pull that off, I suppose he’d have to travel 107000 km/h in a decent distance with his Sun Chariot, as that is the speed of the Earth’s daily revolutions around the sun. From what’s been shown, neither his Sun Chariot nor the Fire Steeds pulling it come anywhere close. Otherwise, Helios could have just knocked around several titans in GoW3 with a speed blitz. Unfortunately this is not the case.
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Another thing to consider is how Helios takes occasional breaks to convene with other gods. The wager in the GoW comic comes to mind, where Helios picks a champion along with the other gods. If he does take breaks like that, that would mean that the Sun Chariot is again not moving, making some nights unnecessarily longer than the others, and at a potentially irregular rate. In order for day and night to be consistent, Helios would have to circle the world nonstop every day for pretty much all eternity. If the planet was round, then daylight in one hemisphere would mean nighttime in the other. Helios would have to compensate for this and provide sunlight since that’s his job. This means no breaks, not even to pick up new servants for the Sun Chariot temple because the old ones died of starvation and/or dehydration.
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So in order for a round GoW Earth to have a constant daily cycle, Helios would have to:
1) Circle the world non-stop
2) Move fast enough to compensate for the Earth’s lack of orbit around a star
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Since he fits neither criteria, the GoW Earth if round would have much longer nights since the Sun Chariot can’t possibly cross the circumference of the planet in the span of 24 hours, and have even longer nights on other places since Helios occasionally takes breaks.
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OriginalA covered why it is impossible to lift a planet several pages ago, and GuardianAngel covered the pillars.
@Stealth
Yo, help us take the idiot on this video down. His arguments suck.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsK5emJ7QUg
@StealthRanger
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^ godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Chasm
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^Here it fits as atlas was just below it during the Icarus fight. Its just a canyon(a BIG one but a canyon none the less and NOTHING more) hence the GoW earth is round. Lets use Occams Razor here.
@theobserver
I have a speed question. for you. How is it super speedsters like the flash,superman etc can keep conversations when they go several times the speed of light(MUCH faster then sound)? as for Helios he has two chariots the big one(the sun temple) and the much smaller one for battle. which could have much different capabilities(you don’t expect a go kart and a monster truck to have the same stats now do you?) also atlas seems to be lifting the earths crust & “to hold up the heavens” if gow 2′s instruction manual/god index is anything to go by.
“Its just a canyon(a BIG one but a canyon none the less and NOTHING more) hence the GoW earth is round. Lets use Occams Razor here.”
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So…how does a canyon prove that the it is round?
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“How is it super speedsters like the flash,superman etc can keep conversations when they go several times the speed of light(MUCH faster then sound)?”
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They stick around to listen? Send sound faster than light? What do comic book heroes have to do with this?
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“as for Helios he has two chariots the big one(the sun temple) and the much smaller one for battle. which could have much different capabilities(you don’t expect a go kart and a monster truck to have the same stats now do you?) also atlas seems to be lifting the earths crust & ‘to hold up the heavens’ if gow 2′s instruction manual/god index is anything to go by.”
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Actually, aren’t they both one with two different forms? (Temple and Chariot are different forms.)
“Here it fits as atlas was just below it during the Icarus fight. Its just a canyon(a BIG one but a canyon none the less and NOTHING more) hence the GoW earth is round. Lets use Occams Razor here.”
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Ah, a wiki, a wiki with no CITATIONS notheless
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Even so nothing suggests theres any real ground beyond it or that the Chasm is those edges (unless you can give solid proof for it) also the Island of Creation is on the ‘edge’
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And how the fuck does a canyon suggest a round earth. When actual canon dictates otherwise? Dumbfuck
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I mean, what was the point of the pillars holding up the ground when the earth was round. Why would the ‘earth’ fall into Tartarus?
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Exactly, because the earth was flat and simply a “level” above Tartarus, which was why the earth would fall into Tartarus if the pillar was destroyed by Atlas or why there were pillars to support the ground
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“Lets use Occams Razor here”
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Exactly. The Earth is portayed as flat and a level above Tartarus in the picture, so thats what we go with as it has the least assumptions in it
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Hence your “round earth” cherry picking fails
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@Cypher
“Yo, help us take the idiot on this video down. His arguments suck”
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I’ll be there mate
@Cypher
You GilgameshofBabylon there?
Idol info for a “Chomp Trap”: A mysterious pit trap that bends both time and space. Those who step on it find themselves in a dimension of pain, continuously taking damage. Chomp Traps are quite devious, which makes them very dangerous.
Pit leaves rifts to dimensions that cause nothing but pain and torment. Proof how multidimensional and mean he can be.
Most likely if GilgameshofBabylon is him….he’s the one backing up Thor….
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Anyway, What are we trying to do what the planet? Determine Atlas strength to determine Kratos’s strength?
“Determine Atlas strength to determine Kratos’s strength?”
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Resident fucktard gendrons is trying to prove Atlas has planetary strength and how Kratos does too because he stopped Atlas from crushing him
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When anyone with a double digit IQ (not gendrons) realises how retardedly flawed this is considering that most canon sources point to it being a flat ground above Tartarus thats only above it because of pillars that support it among other things
Even if Atlas had planet lifting strength(IF), Atlas was just using two fingers and wasn’t going all out.
the super speedsters like the Flash and Superman don’t converse with each other when moving that fast, simple as that, or in the case of the flash they actually slow their speech down to allow themselves to be understood. Ultimately though shockingly enough Comics don’t have to abide by the laws of actual science in the slightest.
Double post sorry. I personally think the flat earth idea makes more sense in terms of a game about ancient Greece, pretty sure they thought the earth was flat back then, and it would make sense for the developers to follow that since they are trying to at least use that mythology for their game.
About the round vs flat discussion, wasn’t there a pic shown of the landscape being flat with levels already?
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“the super speedsters like the Flash and Superman don’t converse with each other when moving that fast, simple as that, or in the case of the flash they actually slow their speech down to allow themselves to be understood.”
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Currently Flash’s ear pieces somehow allow him to pick up sound when moving really fast, also SPEEDFORCEHAX! Kryptonians can hear sound across the planet while it’s happening so I guess it doesn’t really matter where the sound happens or comes from they should be able to here it….. or something.
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“Ultimately though shockingly enough Comics don’t have to abide by the laws of actual science in the slightest.”
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Sometimes they try. Other times we get Supeman smelling brownies on earth from the watchtower which is separated by the vacuum of space.
“About the round vs flat discussion, wasn’t there a pic shown of the landscape being flat with levels already?”
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Many times. gendrons simply cherry picks to try and make GoW earth flat with trailers and the astralobe *rolls eyes*
Icy Aura: Freezes anything that gets too close.
Medusa Head: A turret that spams petrification beams.
Chomp Trap: Dimensional rift of pain.
Grenade: Should be obvious.
Boom Spear: Homing javelin that explodes.
Eggplant and Tempura bomb: Polymorphs targets into eggplants and shrimp respectively.
Lightening of Judgement idol info: It is said the lightening gods created this as a way of blowing off a little steam. Fires multiple spears of electricity.
Would any of these count towards Pit’s equipment?
Anyway, can the astrolabe be found within the God of War universe or is it just an artwork that was never put into the game?
“Icy Aura: Freezes anything that gets too close.
Medusa Head: A turret that spams petrification beams.
Chomp Trap: Dimensional rift of pain.
Grenade: Should be obvious.
Boom Spear: Homing javelin that explodes.
Eggplant and Tempura bomb: Polymorphs targets into eggplants and shrimp respectively.
Lightening of Judgement idol info: It is said the lightening gods created this as a way of blowing off a little steam. Fires multiple spears of electricity.
Would any of these count towards Pit’s equipment?”
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Do they need anything specific to be used? (Assemble?) or are they just powers?
They’re items to be picked up and used in both the story and multiplayer. No assembly or special requirements.
All i’ve seen of it is an artwork. And it was simply an interpretation of the solar system in GoW
@Stealth
If I could, I’d take GilgameshofBabylon’s username. Good thing he’s siding with me and Cthulhu on that debate. See if you can message him.
“They’re items to be picked up and used in both the story and multiplayer. No assembly or special requirements.”
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Okay, I guess he gets it since they are just items(like the smart bombs). The rule does say all equipment.
@Cypher
I noticed your name on that page a few moments after I posted it. Oh and the Kratard’s arguments there were hilarious
“All i’ve seen of it is an artwork. And it was simply an interpretation of the solar system in GoW”
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Well, even concept art can be removed or changed.
I don’t think concept art(or at least ones that are scrapped) is canon anyway. Example
Concept Art
1.bp.blogspot.com/-WNADnTZvUtA/TWu4VIgr9QI/AAAAAAAAm14/BD9UTwPPJo8/s1600/federationtrooper.jpg
Final Product
images.wikia.com/metroid/images/3/34/GFtrooper_trio.png
He doesn’t really have an argument to actually use. He just states that since God of War is younger and hasn’t shown better feats than Marvel yet, it doesn’t mean that it can’t. Idiot.
@Alpha or Omega
I’m referring to the fact the great chasm is in game,is enormous and is exactly above atlas. Hence why that “edge of the world” is just the chasm in the picture. and their is land
It proves stealth’;s “edge of the world” argument is complete bull.
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“They stick around to listen? Send sound faster than light? What do comic book heroes have to do with this?”
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^i once saw supes and flash have a conversation while time was stopped and a waitress was still in time falling. Is that pis or what?
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@stealth
“Ah, a wiki, a wiki with no CITATIONS notheless”
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^and you used your arguments from said wiki. hypocrite
beyond it.
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@theobserver
so if the gow earth is round athen kratos would have mach 87.3469 reactions considering he maneuvered the chariot out of the underworld? That is of course going by your calcs of speed needed for the “sun” to go around the earth. also thoughs horses in gow3 that pulled the smaller chariot were watered diown in comparison to the originals. my evidence is that the ones in CoO pulled a city sized object through the sky while the ones in gow 3 died easily by a titans grip who didn’t have such strength feats.
Welp I’m gonna go from the coo “darkness” trailer they officially released. As they never have shown anything to contradict this(a literal in game image of the GoW earth flat or: www.google.ca/imgres?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=M8a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=826&tbm=isch&tbnid=IHXTfei1O2Mh3M:&imgrefurl=http://www.flickriver.com/photos/dlanod/tags/marvelcomics/&docid=oq0q45fhgfmfVM&imgurl=http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1366/4600745890_238784df33.jpg&w=395&h=500&ei=Kkz3T4TzNYWjrQGjrrCKCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=360&vpy=130&dur=455&hovh=253&hovw=199&tx=114&ty=134&sig=112193261216415568778&page=1&tbnh=155&tbnw=122&start=0&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:75 = a valid argument of how the Poseidon’s flood would even work on a flat earth.
“I’m referring to the fact the great chasm is in game,is enormous and is exactly above atlas”
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And Atlas took him to the Island of Creation physically, which is on the edge of the earth. Unless you want to argue that Atlas’ arms can reach across several dozen+ kilometers of land
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Anyways, how the hell does that prove that the earth is round?
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“Hence why that “edge of the world” is just the chasm in the picture”
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Really, because my research is telling me that the Island is located at the edge of the Earth
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Btw, the Great Chasm was on the Island of Creation, between the Lowlands and the Palace of the Fates you lying peice of shit. It wasn’t the edge of the earth at all, nor is there any proof that there is land beyond that, or that GoW Earth is flat. Stop taking things out of context
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And stop going by the trailers. They don’t give anything that exactly happened in GoW. They only imply instances and stuff. Your argument is invalid
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“http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1366/4600745890_238784df33.jpg”
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Exactly. Official sources show GoW earth was flat and simply a level above Tartarus, hence the need for pillars, as per common sense, we go with that seeing as it has the least assumptions
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Nice try, but I’ll take GoW canon over your cherry picking and fanwanking thank you very much
@mrgendrons
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I was obviously joking when I made that post. The point of it was that if the world was round in GoW, Helios would not be enough to make up for a constant day/night cycle. I highly doubt gods are going to get much praise when the rest of the world is in a much longer state of darkness.
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One thing for you to consider: The edges of the world existed in ancient Greek myth! An example of this is in the myth of Heracles/Hercules, where he travels to the western edge of the world.
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www.mythweb.com/encyc/entries/heracles.html
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This is also supported by the rest of Greek myth where the Earth was a disk encircled by the river Okeanos and topped by a dome of the sky, and below by Tartarus.
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www.theoi.com/Protogenos/Gaia.html
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Seems to fit the description by the GoW world’s image which you seem to so vehemently deny.
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The point is that if GoW wanted to come anywhere close to Greek myth, there wouldn’t be a point in all the pillars, the existence of Tartarus, and Persephone’s plot would have been incredibly useless.
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Persephone: “With the power of the sun in his hands, it is only a matter of time before he destroys the pillar that holds the world, and Olympus with it.”
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^ This, none of this would have had any use at all. Persephone’s plot to crash the world on top of Tartarus would be entirely useless because crashing the final pillar would only be enough to cause a tectonic plate to fall at the very best. The rest of the world should be relatively fine, since all that would happen would be that a continent would be slightly lower than the others. Case in point, with the evidence given by GoW canon, it is impossible for a full world to be supported by the resources and geography of everything shown.
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As for your Poseidon flood argument, water spontaneously appeared after Poseidon died. This water could obviously not have come directly from the lower part of the crust since that part of Tartarus wasn’t flooded. Since it can’t draw from a directly lower area of water (in fact, some of the water was draining into Tartarus), it must have come from other watery areas around the globe. Water can’t spontaneously come out of nowhere, so a possible explanation was that Poseidon’s death caused water from the rest of the world to drain from all other places and then add to the site of where he died. This would mean that while that area of the world had an impossibly high sea level by that point, the rest of the world was potentially completely dry. Take a look at the introduction of Olympia:
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcX9PFyxfGk
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There were waterfalls just like GuardianAngel said that kept the water in check. This means that the section of the world that was flooding was restricted to the area where Poseidon died. Thing is, that area is also bordered by a mountain range, which may have acted as a stop, so that that much water remained. Keep in mind that in order for the water level to rise that high, it would have to draw from other places. That is unless it’s something like the flood Noah had to deal with, in which case there is no evidence to support it. If the water was coming from the rest of the world, it won’t drain very quickly, especially when bordered by entire mountain ranges. Well, since the water eventually drains into Tartarus (there are rivers in there after all), there must be something connecting the rivers there to the surface for the constant supply of water. How this was pulled off, I have no idea.
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“I’m referring to the fact the great chasm is in game,is enormous and is exactly above atlas. Hence why that “edge of the world” is just the chasm in the picture. and their is land
beyond it.”
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There is no evidence to point towards that since the Great Chasm is in the complete opposite direction. If it was that close, then you would have seen Mt. Olympus in the background because of its sheer size. It’s likely that the Great Chasm is like one of the chasms that water was draining into similar to the one shown near Olympia.
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“so if the gow earth is round athen kratos would have mach 87.3469 reactions considering he maneuvered the chariot out of the underworld?”
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No. One of the points of that post was to show that Helios would have to travel at the speed of Earth’s normal daily revolutions to compensate for the lack of a star’s gravitational pull. We’ve seen in cutscenes that the Fire Steeds travel nowhere near the required amount to compensate for the Earth’s natural revolutions against the Sun. That is why I argued that if GoW Earth was round, the rest of the world would have much longer nights than days.
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“also thoughs horses in gow3 that pulled the smaller chariot were watered diown in comparison to the originals. my evidence is that the ones in CoO pulled a city sized object through the sky while the ones in gow 3 died easily by a titans grip who didn’t have such strength feats.”
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That doesn’t prove that those horses were any different from the ones in CoO. Pulling a city sized object from the sky will not help something from being crushed. It’s not like the horses were pulling the titan crushing them. Picture it this way, a car crusher like this can be pulled by a car with enough engine strength:
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www.goldenrodwelding.ca/images/DSC00006.JPG
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That doesn’t mean that the same car can keep itself from getting crushed itself when put inside the machine. These are two completely different forces acting on each other and pulling strength has nothing to do with it. Occam’s Razor favors my argument more because it goes under less assumptions. Your argument adds another assumption that Helios’ CoO horses were somehow replaced. Mine assumes that the horses in CoO are the same ones in GoW3 since there is nothing to state otherwise.
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Regardless of whether the Earth is flat or not in GoW, I think there is enough evidence here to prove that Atlas most definitely does not have “planetary lifting strength”. I’m still leaning towards a flat Earth theory in GoW since Greek myths were based on a flat Earth. The Greeks may have figured out that the Earth was round, but the myths themselves portray it as flat. Heck, in actual Greek myth, Atlas was holding up the sky and not the Earth! This is impossible to do(well, even more so) if the Earth was spherical.
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Oh right, I forgot another thing with the day/night cycle. With the speed demonstrated by Helios and the implications of having him compensate for an actual star, the only way he can actually do this is if the world is smaller in scale to ours. That, or he only covered a certain part of the world (mostly Greece) while the rest stayed in darkness.
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Trailers are obvious and have been debunked numerous times in the past. The entire CGI cinematic in the CoO darkness trailer is proven false by the game itself, since those never show up as cutscenes. Therefore it isn’t canon, simple as that.
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Here’s a parallel example:
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkKmHWVH30k
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=svW-jV41enE#t=2m49s
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In the first video, the cinematic shows Zero busting out of the capsule on his own. This is only a commercial. In the second video, none of the events in the cinematic actually happen, meaning that the commercial’s events are completely non-canon to the actual game.
@theobserver
“I was obviously joking when I made that post. The point of it was that if the world was round in GoW, Helios would not be enough to make up for a constant day/night cycle. I highly doubt gods are going to get much praise when the rest of the world is in a much longer state of darkness.”
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^he doesn’t always drive it now does he? if i recall greek myth apollo takes over or atkleast ibn coo kratos used it. What I’m stating is the fact the horses in gow coo could pull a city sized object easily for years,while in gow3 its a different chariot and they died easily by one titan.
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“This is also supported by the rest of Greek myth where the Earth was a disk encircled by the river Okeanos and topped by a dome of the sky, and below by Tartarus.”
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^As steath puts it “gow myth=/=greek myth,.. otherwise Kratos has done A LOT(overpowering a twelve labor Hercules,zeus with montain lvl strength etc)
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth
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^ancheint greece see?
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“That doesn’t prove that those horses were any different from the ones in CoO. Pulling a city sized object from the sky will not help something from being crushed. It’s not like the horses were pulling the titan crushing them. Picture it this way, a car crusher like this can be pulled by a car with enough engine strength:”
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^We consider breaking free of something a strength feat. hence kratos tanking Kronus thunder clap. thoughs horses had the feats to do so.
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“Regardless of whether the Earth is flat or not in GoW, I think there is enough evidence here to prove that Atlas most definitely does not have “planetary lifting strength”. I’m still leaning towards a flat Earth theory in GoW since Greek myths were based on a flat Earth. The Greeks may have figured out that the Earth was round, but the myths themselves portray it as flat. Heck, in actual Greek myth, Atlas was holding up the sky and not the Earth! This is impossible to do(well, even more so) if the Earth was spherical.”
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^Actually as I stated before atlas as stated in the gow2 booklet also holds up the heavens. so yeah
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“Trailers are obvious and have been debunked numerous times in the past. The entire CGI cinematic in the CoO darkness trailer is proven false by the game itself, since those never show up as cutscenes. Therefore it isn’t canon, simple as that.”
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^When was the round earth been debunked in gow?not at all. at least yet. so from other scources and the simple logic of that flood actually happening we can deduce the gow earth is most likely round.
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@stealth
And Atlas took him to the Island of Creation physically, which is on the edge of the earth. Unless you want to argue that Atlas’ arms can reach across several dozen+ kilometers of land
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^http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=god+of+war+3+map&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=826&tbm=isch&tbnid=SBJcmjf1CBoqZM:&imgrefurl=http://www.cecilkim.com/portfolio/portfolio_detail.asp%3FportfolioID%3D308%26God_of_War:God%2520of%2520War%25203%2520World%2520Map&docid=SzxcOnV0RAoneM&imgurl=http://www.cecilkim.com/portfolio_images/World%252520overview_CecilKim.jpg&w=800&h=542&ei=Rw36T_nbDcmmrQGujd2KCQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=371&sig=108133611333436909390&page=1&tbnh=148&tbnw=210&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:69&tx=128&ty=77 see you just proved this map inaccurate as the palace of the fates and temple(both around city size are unseen.) hence a crossesection fused with the great chasm which is cannonly in that area.
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“Really, because my research is telling me that the Island is located at the edge of the Earth”
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^Research? you haven’t done much except get off topic. and over study a silly game map. which is inaccurate,shows disproportionate titans and shows a canyon.
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@theobserver
i know the helios head argument for charging the sunsheild for a laser attack was shot down but what about charging it up with this:godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Light_of_Dawn
“he doesn’t always drive it now does he?”
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You’re only proving my point even more. If Helios has enough time to take a break or stop for any reason whatsoever (even to switch places with another driver), that means that the GoW Earth if round is not getting enough sunlight to last for an entire day.
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“^ancheint greece see?”
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You know, I did say that even though the Ancient Greeks were among the first to discover that the Earth was round, this didn’t apply to Greek myths which had their own rules.
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“We consider breaking free of something a strength feat. hence kratos tanking Kronus thunder clap. thoughs horses had the feats to do so.”
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Breaking free is not the same as pulling something. When Kratos was breaking free from Cronos’ clap, he used his leg muscles and arm muscles to keep himself from getting crushed. The horses were just shown to pull something (with magic, which can’t even be completely attributed to physical strength), but couldn’t keep themselves from getting crushed. Occam’s Razor points to them being the exact same horses in CoO.
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“When was the round earth been debunked in gow?not at all.”
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There’s a saying in debating practice that the absence of evidence is not the same as the evidence of absence. Simply because no one has referred to the Earth as round, does not mean that it is. From the evidence shown, structures like the positioning of Tartarus and the surface world point to an Earth that cannot be supported by itself if round.
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If you insist on using the CoO trailer for your argument, then by all means continue. However, it’s still only theatrics at best, and still non-canon to the events of the game. I’d advise against the argumentum ad nauseum, especially one that uses a dubious source, but that’s never really stopped you.
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“from other scources and the simple logic of that flood actually happening we can deduce the gow earth is most likely round.”
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Your “other sources” have been debunked, so that’s out. As for the flood actually happening, I’ve given an alternative to how it can happen that still fits the flat GoW Earth interpretation. Water currents work regardless of the layers, and since water doesn’t just come out of nowhere, it means that the flood happened because of the following reasons.
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1) The water was drawn from other places of the world since again, that much water can’t just come out of nowhere.
2) The water drains into Tartarus, which then goes into its rivers. This water cycles back to the surface somehow (I’m gonna take a stab at it and say it’s related to magic) and then drains back to Olympus. The reason why the flood isn’t receding is because there’s water that’s constantly being recycled there from other places of the world and because the mountains act as a giant bowl keeping it flooded. This counteracts the constant amount of water that drains into Tartarus from the cracks and goes into its rivers.
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To be fair, even in a spherical world, it is impossible to completely flood every part of the planet equally unless the effect was like the Flood described in Genesis. Water doesn’t just come out of nowhere and even if it does, where will it all go afterward? Assuming that the flood happened in a spherical world, in order for the sea level to rise that drastically in one area, the other areas would have to drain into it, and it would need a constant resupply.
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“Actually as I stated before atlas as stated in the gow2 booklet also holds up the heavens. so yeah”
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I’d like to have the quote from the booklet if possible. From what it appears, in this case “heavens” is taken as the surface world/world of the living while the “earth” is Tartarus. It isn’t the literal sky like in Classical mythology.
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“i know the helios head argument for charging the sunsheild for a laser attack was shot down but what about charging it up with this:godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Light_of_Dawn”
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Same outcome as with the Head of Helios. Unless Kratos gets help from Helios himself under the exact set of conditions, he won’t be able to use the same attack that killed Persephone. That attack was the Sun Shield absorbing Helios’ magic, and sending it in Persephone’s way. It was a plot-induced occurrence and not an actual repeatable ability.
@theobserver
at least how greek myth puts it.
“You’re only proving my point even more. If Helios has enough time to take a break or stop for any reason whatsoever (even to switch places with another driver), that means that the GoW Earth if round is not getting enough sunlight to last for an entire day.”
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^iIf you bothered to read the rest of m,y post Apollo usually takes his place.
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“You know, I did say that even though the Ancient Greeks were among the first to discover that the Earth was round, this didn’t apply to Greek myths which had their own rules.”
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^Well actually the earth is slightly pear shaped IRL but that’s besides the point. I agree with you Greek myth analogy but GoW and Greek myth ARE different enough NOT to jump to such conclusions.
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“1) The water was drawn from other places of the world since again, that much water can’t just come out of nowhere.
2) The water drains into Tartarus, which then goes into its rivers. This water cycles back to the surface somehow (I’m gonna take a stab at it and say it’s related to magic) and then drains back to Olympus. The reason why the flood isn’t receding is because there’s water that’s constantly being recycled there from other places of the world and because the mountains act as a giant bowl keeping it flooded. This counteracts the constant amount of water that drains into Tartarus from the cracks and goes into its rivers.”
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^1.)Poseidon was god of the sea and conjuring is among their many powers.
2.)Magic is unquantifiable not to mention the fact the water isn’t rushing around with huge currents heading for the “edge of the world” not to mention water doesn’t usually drain “upward” what im stating by that gow 3 map(wit crosserction and being inaccurate i might add) stealth posted the water was already draining off. thus the flood simply should NOT have happened.
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“I’d like to have the quote from the booklet if possible. From what it appears, in this case “heavens” is taken as the surface world/world of the living while the “earth” is Tartarus. It isn’t the literal sky like in Classical mythology.”
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^so wait your claiming the “afterlife” is the earth and the land of the living is “heaven”. Thats kinda messed up don’t you think?
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“Same outcome as with the Head of Helios. Unless Kratos gets help from Helios himself under the exact set of conditions, he won’t be able to use the same attack that killed Persephone. That attack was the Sun Shield absorbing Helios’ magic, and sending it in Persephone’s way. It was a plot-induced occurrence and not an actual repeatable ability.”
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^I believe the “light of dawn” was created via the primordial fire(stated to be the very source of Helios powers) godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Primordial_Fire godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Light_of_Dawn
as for a “plot induced occurrence” kratos does that death ray thing a few times in the Helios temple without him for puzzles and the light of dawn causes constant light especially with is “radiant sun” ability that engulfs nearly the whole line of sight with light. the death ray should logically work.
“iIf you bothered to read the rest of m,y post Apollo usually takes his place. at least how greek myth puts it.”
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Greek myth=/=God of War
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“so wait your claiming the “afterlife” is the earth and the land of the living is “heaven”. Thats kinda messed up don’t you think?”
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How so? Fiction universes tend to make their own lore.
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“I believe the “light of dawn” was created via the primordial fire(stated to be the very source of Helios powers) godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Primordial_Fire godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Light_of_Dawn
as for a “plot induced occurrence” kratos does that death ray thing a few times in the Helios temple without him for puzzles and the light of dawn causes constant light especially with is “radiant sun” ability that engulfs nearly the whole line of sight with light. the death ray should logically work.”
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Here’s the thing, even if it is charged, it wouldn’t go light speed. Why? Because it said Kratos is the one THROWING them. All the charge would do is make it stronger, and that’s an if. The Primordial Fire only powered the sun shield, not a weapon.
@Alpha or Omega
“Here’s the thing, even if it is charged, it wouldn’t go light speed. Why? Because it said Kratos is the one THROWING them. All the charge would do is make it stronger, and that’s an if. The Primordial Fire only powered the sun shield, not a weapon.”
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No man I’m referring to him using light of dawn to charge the sun shield to make one of these: www.google.ca/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=826&tbm=isch&tbnid=2FZeccKYveb4WM:&imgrefurl=http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2008/07/not-ready-the-m/&docid=TWvoVKgk3wnTEM&imgurl=http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/17/archimedes_death_ray.jpg&w=640&h=323&ei=k278T_6_KeT42gWwiOzJBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=147&vpy=226&dur=532&hovh=159&hovw=316&tx=183&ty=106&sig=115760258337214095051&page=1&tbnh=86&tbnw=170&start=0&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:76
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^just like Kratos did on three puzzles and used to kill Persephone.
The wiki you gave me did say the primordial fires did charge the sun shield, but the light of dawn also came with the fires as a special power.
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If the light of dawn could charge the shield as well, why didn’t it do it earlier?
Simple answer, it can’t.
“^1.)Poseidon was god of the sea and conjuring is among their many powers.”
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If he had the power to “conjure” water, he wouldn’t have needed to jump into the sea to make his Hippocampi. He would just make water appear out of nowhere and build it on the spot. My point stands about water not just spontaneously coming from nowhere. Due to that, the water must have come from somewhere else, ergo, other places in the world.
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“2.)Magic is unquantifiable not to mention the fact the water isn’t rushing around with huge currents heading for the “edge of the world” not to mention water doesn’t usually drain “upward” what im stating by that gow 3 map(wit crosserction and being inaccurate i might add) stealth posted the water was already draining off. thus the flood simply should NOT have happened.”
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First of all, all we were shown were the areas where the mountains were. Since there are mountains covering the area we were shown, the water wouldn’t simply drain towards the edge since it is holding it back. Second, Tartarus has been shown to contain its own rivers, which still circulate. We know that water from the surface drains into it, and that the whole place doesn’t just flood, so it may have something to do with the surface water, which doesn’t drain either. I said magic was a possible explanation since there were ways to make water go up and suspend it in a constant stream (like with Poseidon’s Hippocampi).
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“the death ray should logically work”
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No, it shouldn’t. Here’s the thing, if Kratos could actually use the Light of Dawn in such a way, he wouldn’t have needed external sources to produce this effect. The actual Light of Dawn only does this. There are obviously different effects in play, and I don’t see how the two sources are in any way similar other than being light-based magic. Just like the Head of Helios, the Light of Dawn does not have enough of what is needed to replicate the beam that killed Persephone. Here it is actually undeniable that Kratos can’t use the Light of Dawn and Sun Shield as you say, because both effects are in the same game and cannot be used in such a way.
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Logically, Kratos cannot replicate what he blasted Persephone with. The event remains as a plot-induced one since in order to pull it off, Kratos would need an external source of constantly supplied magical light. He has neither Helios nor the statues in the puzzles so logically, he lacks the requirements for the event. As he lacks the situation required for the ray he blasted Persephone with, it stands to reason that he cannot do it on his own.
@theobserver
“If he had the power to “conjure” water, he wouldn’t have needed to jump into the sea to make his Hippocampi. He would just make water appear out of nowhere and build it on the spot. My point stands about water not just spontaneously coming from nowhere. Due to that, the water must have come from somewhere else, ergo, other places in the world.”
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^he already had his hippocampi just in a smaller form. not to mention it all came from that one area,water wasn’t rushing after the waters rose etc.
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“First of all, all we were shown were the areas where the mountains were. Since there are mountains covering the area we were shown, the water wouldn’t simply drain towards the edge since it is holding it back. Second, Tartarus has been shown to contain its own rivers, which still circulate. We know that water from the surface drains into it, and that the whole place doesn’t just flood, so it may have something to do with the surface water, which doesn’t drain either. I said magic was a possible explanation since there were ways to make water go up and suspend it in a constant stream (like with Poseidon’s Hippocampi).”
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^If the earth WAS flat neither would happen. and in stealth map water was already flowing off before the flood.
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“No, it shouldn’t. Here’s the thing, if Kratos could actually use the Light of Dawn in such a way, he wouldn’t have needed external sources to produce this effect. The actual Light of Dawn only does this. There are obviously different effects in play, and I don’t see how the two sources are in any way similar other than being light-based magic. Just like the Head of Helios, the Light of Dawn does not have enough of what is needed to replicate the beam that killed Persephone. Here it is actually undeniable that Kratos can’t use the Light of Dawn and Sun Shield as you say, because both effects are in the same game and cannot be used in such a way.”
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^http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb7DLxeRoNc&feature=related#t=6m56s @2.02 kratos uses the sun sheild to activate said outside source. Here the thing your going by game play I’m going by common sense. Going from how an Archimedes death ray actually works and the fact he’s got mini versions of the sun in his pockets:Helios head and light of dawn both of which contain Helios very energy) thus it SHOULD work going by the principle just by holding a more intense,bigger version of this near the sunsheild at an angle: www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1280&bih=826&tbm=isch&tbnid=FJgkKp7sQfDurM:&imgrefurl=http://godofwar.wikia.com/wiki/Light_of_Dawn&docid=EQOc8cyBsoby9M&imgurl=http://images.wikia.com/godofwar/images/9/99/God-of-war-chains-of-olympus-20080211024828244_640w-1-.jpg&w=480&h=272&ei=cdH9T4F0iJ6sAe3snIsJ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=394&vpy=167&dur=2820&hovh=169&hovw=298&tx=166&ty=105&sig=108706281837274088734&page=1&tbnh=117&tbnw=207&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:73
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@Alpha or Omega
“If the light of dawn could charge the shield as well, why didn’t it do it earlier?
Simple answer, it can’t.”
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^or as stealth puts it. you can’t so the games more difficult. not to mention in the very game kratos uses the sun sheild to activate said light sources.
The Earth arguments are going nowhere. What we do know for sure is that GoW Earth cannot be supported by Atlas in its entirety, making it so that he has no planetary strength.
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“kratos uses the sun sheild to activate said outside source”
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None of those outside sources exist in this match unless you call for a biased battlefield. The fact of the matter is that Kratos needed said statues and/or Helios to activate the beam from the Sun Shield. If he didn’t need it, then he wouldn’t have needed the statues or Helios to pull off the beam.
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“Going from how an Archimedes death ray actually works and the fact he’s got mini versions of the sun in his pockets:Helios head and light of dawn both of which contain Helios very energy) thus it SHOULD work going by the principle just by holding a more intense,bigger version of this near the sunsheild at an angle”
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Enough with the conjecture. Neither of those light sources supply constant focused beams of light. The principle that you are going by ignores the limitations of both items by giving them a property that they have never been shown. Common sense would dictate that since they have never shown a particular ability, that they don’t have it. By doing otherwise, you are deliberately ignoring canon and replacing it with your conjecture. How is a constant focused beam of light the same with a magic flashlight and a magic ball of light anyway? The only thing they have in common is that they employ some kind of light magic!
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“or as stealth puts it. you can’t so the games more difficult.”
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The difficulty of the game has nothing to do with it. If it’s consistent in canon, then those are the items’ limits.
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“not to mention in the very game kratos uses the sun sheild to activate said light sources.”
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He may activate them, but he still needs their presence to use a particular effect. Ergo, he cannot do it on his own. In any case, the debate’s over, and Pit wins.
What happened to Gendrons’ glasses?
“The Earth arguments are going nowhere. What we do know for sure is that GoW Earth cannot be supported by Atlas in its entirety, making it so that he has no planetary strength”
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is that still going on? At most that would give Atlas continent level strength since it can’t be more than a continent
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on the activation thing, all that was needed was something to channel the light not the shield, the shield was only used in some cases not all of them.
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Honestly, Kratos just doesn’t have the stuff he needs to win this, he is not made to fight someone with Pit’s skillset, Pit’s overall abilities aren’t run up and rip the guy to shreds it’s take him out from a distance, speed agility etc are where Pit wins it, he stays back and turns Kratos into an oversized pin cushion. God of War Ascension isn’t coming out this year is it? They said 2013 I think, if it was this year, I could see waiting but there’s no point to it. Kratos just doesn’t have the skillset to fight Pit in a situation where Plot shielding and PIS are not in effect. He’s a character with decent striking ability, and some amount of magic depending on which game you give him the gear from, but against someone with gear or powers that let them go toe to toe with him his advantages are not really there, Pit can get range on him and arrow spam till Kratos can’t block or dodge anymore.
pit could use the great sacred treasures cannon charge shot which defeated hades
@theobserver
“None of those outside sources exist in this match unless you call for a biased battlefield. The fact of the matter is that Kratos needed said statues and/or Helios to activate the beam from the Sun Shield. If he didn’t need it, then he wouldn’t have needed the statues or Helios to pull off the beam.”
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^As stealth puts it its to give the game difficultly. www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_TwFUS3x5g after using said area the “light source” ceases proving it was just game play at 2:39 and on(light can’t travel through opaque objects now can it)
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@Commander Cross
I took them off…They hurt my eyes.
“As stealth puts it its to give the game difficultly. www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_TwFUS3x5g after using said area the “light source” ceases proving it was just game play at 2:39 and on(light can’t travel through opaque objects now can it)”
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Except Kratos at 2:20, had to push a statue that was in the area that needed to be pushed to that spot and destroy it. Also, there was a statue to the left that was glowing showing that the statues could contain light. There will be no statues to push over or a “light source” in this match.
Been gone for a week. So are we still on the GoW Earth being flat to disprove the supposed planetary strength? Or are we moving on to more stupid arguments? And I take it gendrons is now taking my arguments out of context like the lying little sack of shit that he is?
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And can Pit have his FP Award?
it’s just still kind of a mess here
@Alpha or Omega
. How are things?
“Except Kratos at 2:20, had to push a statue that was in the area that needed to be pushed to that spot and destroy it. Also, there was a statue to the left that was glowing showing that the statues could contain light. There will be no statues to push over or a “light source” in this match.”
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^If that were the real case the statue would still have been glowing afterward like the other. pushing a statue over could just be so he could match the other statue and provide light.
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@StealthRanger
Gee nice to hear form you again
“So are we still on the GoW Earth being flat to disprove the supposed planetary strength? ”
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“planetary strength” disproves itself since it is a silly idea that is not physically possible. I’ve explained that already like two or three pages back.
@StealthRanger
Dude aren’t their like 30 or so other matches more in need of an award?
It’s already decided that Pit wins, and nobody is going to wait for the next game to come out. Pit gets an award. Heck, he might already be asking for one himself. Breaking the 4th wall and such.
@Zolanius
. im just trying to define weather or not kratos can use a device the same way he so done in a game.
breaking the fourth wall is a horrible joke for any game
From the present arguments, the power sounds extremely circumstantial. I doubt it would change much, anyway since there is so much Pit has against him. Relying on this one power sounds like… Dragonball Z. “We are outmatched in every conceivable way. Let’s pull something out our ass that will save us at the last second despite our obvious inferiority!”
@Zol
Hmmm….Pit vs a certain someone I’d back up outright in match…wonder how much 4th wall busting will go down.
Also, doesn’t breaking the 4th wall essentially mean that you might or might not be able to do something at least on par with planet busting?
“If that were the real case the statue would still have been glowing afterward like the other.”
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Did you take the fact the Kratos decided to destroy it and he did?
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“pushing a statue over could just be so he could match the other statue and provide light.”
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Then why destroy it?
It wouldn’t match it if it’s destroyed.
“Did you take the fact the Kratos decided to destroy it and he did?”
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What I mean by this is that did you know the statue stops glowing when it is destroyed?(As shown in game-play)