Suggested by ZomBninjasamurai
Well today we have a bounty match! The location is Theed, Naboo.
Scenario: Snake has been on Theed for two weeks, he knows that he is being hunted and has spent the time scouting the city and surrounding area. He is wanted Dead or Alive, but all three hunters have significantly more incentive to bring him in alive. Snake has been informed on all three of the hunters and knows how they operate. Snake can achieve victory by surviving three days. The hunters are allowed to fight each other.
Loadouts:
Snake: Octocamo, Facecamo, Solid Eye, infinite ammo headband, Railgun, MGL-140 Grenade Launcher, Patriot, Operator, M4 Custom, 2 Chaff Grenades, 2 Frag Grenades, 2 Stun Grenades, 2 Smoke Grenades, 2 Claymores, Stun Knife, Metal Gear Mk.III, and a Cardboard Box.
Cameron: M4 Carbine with an M26 underbarrel shotgun, red dot, and laser, Beretta 90Two. She has five clips for each.
Blade: The Daywalker Sword, sawed off shotgun, dual Glock 23s. He has thirty shells, and ten clips for the Glocks.
Dachande: Plasma Caster, Combi-Stick, Wrist Blades, and Net Launcher.
Who gets the bounty?
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FIrts!
And blade slaughters
I am pretty sure there are some blasters left in some room in Theed. If Snake knows the layout, he could store some blasters due to hammer space.
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“and a Cardboard Box.”
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How the heck is that going to help Snake?
Hmmm infinite ammo headband. This could prove very handy for Snake.
“Metal Gear Mk.III”
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now i just did play the one game
on the ps1 were rex was in … but seriously
MG gear?
“MG gear?”
… ok forget it i thought it would be something big …
Why can’t the main man lobo be in any of these bounty hunter fights
“Why can’t the main man lobo be in any of these bounty hunter fights”
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He is too good too lose. High regeneration, light speed reactions, and banned from death or something.
I get the feeling Dachande kills off the other two hunters pretty easy, though it’s interesting putting a Predator against an opponent who loves traps. Not sure who comes out of this one, though I’m inclined to go with Snake.
I’m am thinking it would eventually turn out to be the Pred vs Snake.
What do Blade and Cameron have against octocamo?
Snake could sneak upon them and unleash the railgun inside of his hammer space.
I agree, the Predator seems like the biggest threat to Snake. It could very well turn into a stealth match.
“What do Blade and Cameron have against octocamo?”
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Blade has the super vampire senses thing going on.
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Dachande IF he is like most preds has multiple modes.
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Not sure about Cameron.
“preds has multiple modes.”
Multiple vision modes to aid in finding Snake.
“Blade has the super vampire senses thing going on.”
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Is it like a sixth sense, super hearing, smell, or sight of seeing in-visible people?
I know he can deflect bullets, but can he deflect bullets from a railgun if Snake and Blade were to come in contact?
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“Dachande IF he is like most preds has multiple modes.”
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Typical predators have multiple vision modes, so one would think a named one would.
I think Blade ultimately wins, but since Snake has unlimited ammo. Can’t he just keep shooting at them forever? Even if they block they can’t get too him. Also if they’re able to block and keep going Snake could keep shooting while backing up. That’s the only way that I think Snake has a chance, but I’d say Blade wins this round in the end
And how does Blade win exactly?
Well here’s how I figured it would go. Snake hides behind a canyon. So Predator and Cameron run after him. Predators don’t seem to be a trust worthy lot so he stabs Cameron in the back before they reach Snake. She dies. Predator then jumps towards Snake and they have an epic fight. Snake pwns him, but is weakened. Then Blade finishes him off
I could make the story longer, but that’s the basic plot
Making up scenarios never play out the way you want them to when debating about fictional characters. Point is, keep them to yourself, no one wants to know about it.
“Well here’s how I figured it would go. Snake hides behind a canyon. So Predator and Cameron run after him. Predators don’t seem to be a trust worthy lot so he stabs Cameron in the back before they reach Snake. She dies. Predator then jumps towards Snake and they have an epic fight. Snake pwns him, but is weakened. Then Blade finishes him off ”
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That’s assuming the predator doesn’t fight Blade as well. That’s also assuming Snake doesn’t sneak away while the hunters are fighting each other. Not to mention, he would most likely hide around the palace areas/city.
Got it……
@Alpha Yeah, but if it came down to a fight I’d still go with Blade. In terms of sheer swordplay he’s the best, and he’s pretty good without a sword as well
“Yeah, but if it came down to a fight I’d still go with Blade. In terms of sheer swordplay he’s the best, and he’s pretty good without a sword as well”
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No doubt, he is good with the sword, and out of anyone here, he is the best swordsman (notably, no one other than Blade has a sword) but Snake isn’t your average hey-I’ll-come-straight-towards-you-and-fight person. He is trained in close combat, and supposedly has super-sonic reactions, but preferably takes stealth over fighting. I’m pretty sure the predator has a better chance.
@Alpha I know it doesn’t help against Snake’s supersonic reactions, but Blade’s been shown to have hypersonic reactions right? Do Predator and Cameron have that?
“I know it doesn’t help against Snake’s supersonic reactions, but Blade’s been shown to have hypersonic reactions right? Do Predator and Cameron have that?”
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None of them so far have shown hyper-sonic reaction times. Blade is a bullet-timer at best IIRC.
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No, Cameron, and Dachande have never shown hyper-sonic reactions, but Dachande has weapons capable of taking down Snake/capturing Snake better than the weapons of other hunters.
“None of them so far have shown hyper-sonic reaction times. Blade is a bullet-timer at best IIRC”
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Yeah, I thought hyperspeed reaction meant bullet timer. Sorry, I meant Bullet timer. So are Cameron and Dachande bullet timers?
“Is it like a sixth sense, super hearing, smell, or sight of seeing in-visible people?”
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Superhuman senses and a sixth sense for the supernatural.
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Smell
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Little bit on vamp healing
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“That’s also assuming Snake doesn’t sneak away while the hunters are fighting each other.”
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From what I read from Midnight yautja hate synthetics like Terminator Like Cam, so chances are if they meet he’s likely to attack her. Which would leave Blade.
“I think Blade ultimately wins, but since Snake has unlimited ammo. Can’t he just keep shooting at them forever?”
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I think he still has to still reload.
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“I know he can deflect bullets, but can he deflect bullets from a railgun if Snake and Blade were to come in contact?”
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Railgun require a bit of Charge time for it’s destructive power. While Snakes(assuming it’s younger version) would have the ability to keep up with Blade his railguns would only be useful for quick uncharged shots which he should be able to dodge.
“I think he still has to still reload.”
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Makes sense. But about the Snake beyond young. Wouldn’t it be old unless CC says otherwise (Since current incarnation and stuff)
“From what I read from Midnight yautja hate synthetics like Terminator Like Cam, so chances are if they meet he’s likely to attack her. Which would leave Blade.”
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Does Blade know how to avoid traps like Snake’s traps, if so, Blade might actually find Snake first.
I mean Zomb (Not CC)
“Railgun require a bit of Charge time for it’s destructive power. While Snakes(assuming it’s younger version) would have the ability to keep up with Blade his railguns would only be useful for quick uncharged shots which he should be able to dodge.”
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What I meant by that is from a distance. Snake sees Blade far away and charges his railgun and waits for Blade to come, so he could surprise him by releasing the charge on Blade
Well I imagine, given the prep time Snake gets, that he will have some clever traps set up, and I’m sure he’ll pick off at least one pursuer with a long-range fully charged railgun round.
Snake might have this one.
The yautja isn’t going to be prepared to deal with Snake’s octocamo and wouldn’t know what to look for. Meanwhile, snake has dealt with optical camoflage before and wouldn’t hesitate to fire the railgun at a “mirage”.
Cameron was programmed by one of the greatest tactical mind of her era. She has the best chance of sneaking up on snake. However, she’s not a tank that can stand up to railgun shots and she’s not spec’d for sneaking. There’s a good chance she’d get hit by a chaff grenade or two and I have no idea how well insulated her systems are.
My question about blade is “how much firepower can he take”. Take it for granted that Snake can at least set up some claymores on his six and probably ambush Blade with a decoy of one kind or another (a teaspoon of blood might do) Blade is going to take some hits before this is over. My question is how well does Blade react to bullets. Being atleast part vampire should give him some resistance but even a nosferatu can’t survive decapitation (sometimes anyway). Unfortunately, Blade never gets hosed down with gunfire in any of the movies so it’s hard to tell.
“My question about blade is “how much firepower can he take”.
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Literal Fire seems to be no problem
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Shot in the legs seems to bearly faze him
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Survives being in a crash
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Shot in the back and keeps going
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Explosion wise
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As shown in #27 Vamps also have a decent regen factor going for them.
The biggest factors here are:
1. Two WEEK Prep Time
2. INFINITE ammo
3. Information on ALL of the operaters, to the point of knowing exactly how they operate.
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A Stealthy SOB with 2 weeks to plan and prepare for known operation styles with infinite ammo…..
“The yautja isn’t going to be prepared to deal with Snake’s octocamo and wouldn’t know what to look for.”
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Don’t they switch between them and have one that helps in looking for electronics or Xray?
Blade has a healing factor…not to mention vampiric abilities…soooo….
“Snake has been informed on all three of the hunters and knows how they operate.”
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Are the hunters aware of that he knows this
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Also I don’t think that’s going to help with Blade much since he normal operates hunting vampires.
He’s wouldn’t really operate at his norm since Sanke isn’t a vamp, right?
Someone like snake with preparation time of 2 weeks and informed of what are they capable of.
Snake got this one easy.
Two weeks is enough for him to prepare the attack against everybody weakness, plus his got infinite ammo and to top it off the enemies are not friendly to each other so snake can lead the to each other and sit back and enjoy the show.
That’s actually a good point. If Snake knows which hunters are going to get into conflict with each other, he could lead them into said conflict in hopes of getting them to kill each other.
Infinite ammo + Rail Gun + 2 week preparation = WIN for Snake.
Actually snake can just make them all fight each other, he goes stealth and waits till they find and confront each other, then the last one will be so beat up, Snake would just walk up to him/her and finish with the operator.
“That’s actually a good point. If Snake knows which hunters are going to get into conflict with each other, he could lead them into said conflict in hopes of getting them to kill each other.”
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The problem with that is that the only person with a beef with each other is supposedly the Pred with the terminator. And it only states the hunter are allowed, it doesn’t say they have to. Blade isn’t stupid and has a good bit of experience in marvel teaming up with the abnormal.
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I’m fairly certain he is willing to work with either and I believe Predators have shown to work with others against a common enemy before.
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As it stands either pred or terminator(depending on if they even find each other) could potentially team up with Blade. They’re all smart enough to be capable enough to avoid engaging in combat with one another and focus on the target.
Or if they do at least Blade or Predator understands the concept of retreat and are capable of waiting out the battle.
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Then they could then betray each other once Snake is subdued to see who gets the to bring him in for the win.
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“Two weeks is enough for him to prepare the attack against everybody weakness”
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Don’t think he has there weakness. Just how they normally operate. Like how they investigate or Hunt or something.
Does this paticular Pred have anything that a regular Pred doesn’t? And how ’bout Cameron, just a female Arnold or special, like that liquid metal guy?
Found out about Pred. He wears heavier armor than most. His combistick could be broken into two swords. Also, he is from the book AVP: Prey.
I can’t remember… Did the unlimited ammo headband also cover explosives?
I can’t remember. All it says that it gives the user unlimited ammo.
Although it kind of ruins the point of giving Snake a specified amount of explosives.
I had no clue if it applied to explosives, hence why I just said two for all of em.
Now hears the deal, the predator guy as a predator’s pride as a hunter, he won’t want other hunters snatching his kill (he will consider them as competition) so if the predator sees the other competitors he will hunt them as well to insure his success, besides they also show him another challenge, having their skull as well is a challenge this predator in particularly can’t refuse.
And I don’t know if Cameron (seen as she is a Terminator) will get along with the others, as a machine, it is has being programmed with an objective and that’s to exterminate Snake, so I don’t know if it will apply some team work in order to succeed (Doubt the others will cooperate).
As for Blade, I don’t know, the guy can be a problem because he is the one more reasonable into teamwork but that won’t happen as the hunters are in neutral state against each other and Predator guy wont cooperate by any means.
So it is very VERY possible that Snake can turn this into a 1 vs 1 and like I said, the last surviving hunter is gonna be in bad shape and Snake knows how they operate (kill them, weak points, tactics, functions, history, armament etc…).
Snake won’t attack them as soon as they enter the battlefield, he will prefer to keep distance and further investigate his opponents.
Last hunter standing: Dammit, I weak, I must find the target and finish this while I can, Ok so where is tha……….. “Fully Rail Gun Blast to the face from afar”.
Snake: Too easy.
This is Snake while fighting all three of them. (No joke)
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“I agree, the Predator seems like the biggest threat to Snake. It could very well turn into a stealth match.”
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I dunno, I think Blade may prove to be the most challenging as he does have his superhuman scents and visions.
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“I think he still has to still reload.”
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We do see him load his weapons a few times in MGS4, I believe. Why reload when you have infinite ammo? TIME PARADOX.
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“Railgun require a bit of Charge time for it’s destructive power. While Snakes(assuming it’s younger version) would have the ability to keep up with Blade his railguns would only be useful for quick uncharged shots which he should be able to dodge.”
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Aren’t the railgun shots something like supersonic? Is Blade a bullet timer? I’d think so since he’s fought Spidey before…
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“As shown in #27 Vamps also have a decent regen factor going for them.”
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Railgun hits harder than a main battle tank according to the description. Can Blade survive that if hit?
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I say Blade has the best chance of finding Snake, but each hunter is around equal in killing each other.
I believe it’s hypersonic.
“We do see him load his weapons a few times in MGS4, I believe. Why reload when you have infinite ammo? TIME PARADOX.”
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He didn’t use his Infinite Ammo Bandana in MGS4.
“He didn’t use his Infinite Ammo Bandana in MGS4.”
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It comes from Peace Walker right?
Rail gun goes far beyond a bullet, It’s like a Gauss weapon, it’s lowest output can hit a target in kilometers away in just a second.
Don’t know how many machs does the projectile travel, but it’s well above supersonic and has enough power + the speed to punch straight threw an armored tank.
Lets just say that nobody here will be dodging any rail guns unless they got out of the line of fire before snake pulls the trigger (wish will be impossible if they cant see him.
And Snake will be sniping, remember that he has 2 weeks preparation and knows about them so they would be stepping into a field where the hunter is snake and they wont see that rail gun coming and most likely they wont know where it come.
Snake can use the rail gun to take them out as long as the others won’t be there to see the shot and find his location (but snake isn’t dumb), they will most likely kill each other and the last one will receive the rail gun shot from snake who has being watching the hole mess waiting for that moment.
And this is how Snake defeated 3 stronger enemies with just one shot.
But if they where in a friendly state against each other and snake had no preparation plus no inform about them, then yes, it goes to the hunters.
He did use it, you just have to buy it right? Because I got it.
Prototype rail guns can fire a projectile at 2.4km/s or 5400mph.
Thats hypersonic.
I read “Dachande” as “Duchess”.
Approximately Mach 7.
“Railgun hits harder than a main battle tank according to the description. Can Blade survive that if hit?”
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Well other then taking that blast that sent him flying off the battlefield, he’s caused a building to explode with him in it and come out fine.
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“Now hears the deal, the predator guy as a predator’s pride as a hunter, he won’t want other hunters snatching his kill (he will consider them as competition) so if the predator sees the other competitors he will hunt them as well to insure his success, besides they also show him another challenge, having their skull as well is a challenge this predator in particularly can’t refuse.”
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Didn’t A predator in both the movie and the comic team up when up against a common foe? Actually I think that was Dachande who’s done that.
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“And I don’t know if Cameron (seen as she is a Terminator) will get along with the others, as a machine, it is has being programmed with an objective and that’s to exterminate Snake, so I don’t know if it will apply some team work in order to succeed (Doubt the others will cooperate).”
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If she’s the one from that terminator series then I think she was one of those robot with a soul(free will) type things that they reprogrammed from being a regular terminator.
If I remember correctly, Snake’s infinite-ammo bandanna does apply to grenades/equipment. Also, in MGS4 ‘infinite ammo’ meant bottomless magazines, so guns didn’t need reloading either.
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No one’s pointed this out yet either, but the Patriot that Snake has is a super-shortened M16 with a C-mag that operates as a bottomless magazine. So even without the bandanna, Snake has an infinite-ammo weapon.
“No one’s pointed this out yet either, but the Patriot that Snake has is a super-shortened M16 with a C-mag that operates as a bottomless magazine. So even without the bandanna, Snake has an infinite-ammo weapon.”
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It’s supposed to be notoriously difficult to aim. Really only should be used at close range given the high recoil.
Speedwise Blade should be at least able to aim-dodge the railgun. His overall movement speed is pretty quick.
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Combat speed wise he tends to speed blitz vamps who are above human status.
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The time seems to slow thing should be useful when trying to get a set up a shot or dodging if everything from his perspective is moving slow compared to him.
“Approximately Mach 7.”
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Mach 7.1 to be precise
Anyways, I think Blade peobably has the best chance of finding Snake with his superhuman senses and visions
Not if he gets his head blown of first.
And this is to debate more on snakes side because his the one calling the shots and his the one trying to survive, when we can t find anymore ways for him to make it, then his doomed but for now the advantage still stands.
Accuracy
Using a his sawed off shotgun plugs the holes of another shotgun.
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State he’s had a long time to practice/Could amputate a spiders legs.
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“Not if he gets his head blown of first.”
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That was the purpose of the super senses and speed feats. They’ve both shown him dectecting someone and being able to react quickly. Moving to make it hard keeping a bead on him and the sense to keep track of Snake.
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Using smell can tell what things are made of. Probably useful for detecting traps like explosives or something.
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Also as the combat speed feat stated Vamps don’t show on video so the solid eye might not be useful against him since it basically a camera with various vision modes and zoom, right?
Forgot these for accuracy
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Not sure if this is solely on accuracy but he manage to hit every single one of them.
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Never watched Sarah Connor Chronicles, so I can’t really comment there. That said, its river tam, so I’m going to assume a very agile fighter?
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At the moment my money is on Dachande. Known for working with others, known as a great hunter even amongst an entire race of hunters. Stealth capabilities, good enough weapons to kill everyone in two shots or less and very VERY patient.
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Blades good, but to win this he needs to get up close, and I don’t think he’ll get the chance with Snake.
“Blades good, but to win this he needs to get up close, and I don’t think he’ll get the chance with Snake.”
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He has guns and several decades of practicing his aim. Won’t really need to get that close especially when you consider how much ammo he can send down range with one clip(or is it mag?) as seen in the last scan in post #73. I know Snake can dodge a shot but several should be significantly harder.
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His overall movement speed seem faster then Snake, can dodge most of what Snake can throw at him, aim dodge the railgun, won’t show up on his solid eye(don’t show on video+vampires don’t give off heat). He can use those factors to move in or sneak in close if he has to.
“He has guns and several decades of practicing his aim. Won’t really need to get that close especially when you consider how much ammo he can send down range with one clip(or is it mag?) as seen in the last scan in post #73. I know Snake can dodge a shot but several should be significantly harder.”
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Blade is equipped with Glock 23s, which have magazine capacities of 13 rounds. Even with dual-wield, Blade can’t really commit to the same level of bullet-spamming seen in the comics (in which Blade is clearly wielding machine pistols of some sort).
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“…won’t show up on his solid eye(don’t show on video+vampires don’t give off heat). He can use those factors to move in or sneak in close if he has to.”
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Snake’s Solid Eye isn’t as simple to just detect heat signatures. It’s never really explained, but the Solid Eye can detect biometrics of a given target, including but not limited to heart rate and emotional state. There’s also the typical night-vision/light amplificiation and whatnot. I have my doubts on Blade being to move around without detection that easily.
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I actually think Snake can win this handily, only because of the lack of equipment the opposition has and how he can abuse the hell out of his bandana. 2 weeks is plenty of time to set up several hundred claymores and other booby-traps around the vicinity, and should provide enough confusion/annoyance for Snake to last the 3 days.
Don’t forget that Snake has preparation and he wont be their, he will hide so most likely snake would snipe with the rail gun at a range where he can’t see him. Once he pulled the trigger, it’s over for Blade.
Remember, Blade would be fighting the others.
“Snake’s Solid Eye isn’t as simple to just detect heat signatures.It’s never really explained, but the Solid Eye can detect biometrics of a given target, including but not limited to heart rate and emotional state. There’s also the typical night-vision/light amplificiation and whatnot. I have my doubts on Blade being to move around without detection that easily.”
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As stated Vamps don’t appear on on things like videos or cast reflections. Solid eye is basically a camera with different vision modes that shows up on the screen on the other side.
Also I don’t think vamps have vitals being undead and what not.
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“Blade is equipped with Glock 23s, which have magazine capacities of 13 rounds.Even with dual-wield, Blade can’t really commit to the same level of bullet-spamming seen in the comics (in which Blade is clearly wielding machine pistols of some sort).”
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His guns are stated to be custom made to be usable in as fully automatic.
Other then that he’s got superhuman reflexes pulling the trigger quickly would be within his capabilities. So even if it was limited to 13 rounds that’s a lot to dodge.
Or it’s at least enough surpesion to get up and close and finish him off.
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“set up several hundred claymores”
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He only gets 2 due to the scenario.
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“and should provide enough confusion/annoyance for Snake to last the 3 days.”
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For traps
Blade has super senses and could likely heal from them.
Predator has Multiple vision modes to dectect traps.
Found these for the Cameron and terminator vision which could probably help in locating Snake or traps.
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Vamps do have emotions…
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Also, Snake has had two weeks to set up a location to hide, logically he would have set up claymores at unavoidable chokepoints.
Also, can someone please tell me if the infinite ammo bandana effects explosives… I don’t feel like getting on MGS4, and working all the way til I have enough to buy it.
“Don’t forget that Snake has preparation and he wont be their, he will hide so most likely snake would snipe with the rail gun at a range where he can’t see him. Once he pulled the trigger, it’s over for Blade.”
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Vampire have heightened sense, Blade has used this to track someone across town. Other then that there are a bit of buildings on the field in which to go to hide behind going throught those is an easy way to insure Snake won’t be able to get a shot.
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“Remember, Blade would be fighting the others.”
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He doesn’t have to nor will he need to. Especially if he decides to use the other two to do the fighting hang back then strike. Actually that’s possible tactic between all three of the hunter. Dachande like most Preds are known to observe before striking and Cameron is apparently an Infiltration model so She’s likely to favor stealth over engaging a pointless fight that isn’t the target. At least until they reach the target.
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Also Snake isn’t omnipresent he’s not going to instantly know where they are in the city. One can be cloaked and stay on the move to kepp Sanke from getting a clear shot. the other two could take to the street/alleys/buildings to hide. Where as each of the Hunters has ways of tracking him where he goes either through senses or equipment like xray, or thermal(for the railgun), and what ever the else predvision has.
“His guns are stated to be custom made to be usable in as fully automatic.
Other then that he’s got superhuman reflexes pulling the trigger quickly would be within his capabilities. So even if it was limited to 13 rounds that’s a lot to dodge.
Or it’s at least enough surpesion to get up and close and finish him off.”
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The original post says Blade are using G23s and not mention any modifications, so it’s assumed they’re stock. Also, the fire rate will be limited by whatever mechanics are in the gun. Unless the comics directly states Blade wields modified G23s and the OP is alluding to this, we’re going with factory-spec G23s and nothing else. I have no doubts about Blade’s skills, it’s just that his loadout isn’t exactly ideal.
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“He only gets 2 due to the scenario.”
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“Also, can someone please tell me if the infinite ammo bandana effects explosives…”
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The bandana grants infinite explosives and bottomless magazines. Hence the several hundred claymores.
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“As stated Vamps don’t appear on on things like videos or cast reflections…”
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Something to note…the Solid Eye only goes over one eye. If Snake sees nothing through the Solid Eye but still sees a figure in his uncovered eye, then it’s a dead giveaway that it’s Blade.
“The original post says Blade are using G23s and not mention any modifications, so it’s assumed they’re stock.”
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Thought the Scenario was giving him one of his weapons. My mistake.
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“Also, the fire rate will be limited by whatever mechanics are in the gun.”
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He should still be able to put enough bullets at him fast enough so that he can’t dodge them all.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXS3c110Te4
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“The bandana grants infinite explosives and bottomless magazines. Hence the several hundred claymores.”
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The Battle scenario states only two though. I think that what were forced to stick. Unless it’s changed.
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“Something to note…the Solid Eye only goes over one eye.”
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Which would make it much more difficult to find him.
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Does Snake still have the need to do that injection thing or did he get over it? It’s been a while since I played the game all the way through.
Octocamo doesn’t emit heat, so heat-vision wont help. That’s all i got to say for now.
“The Battle scenario states only two though. I think that what were forced to stick. Unless it’s changed.”
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It’s mostly a loophole I noticed in the original post. MGS4′s game mechanics does permit infinite whatever when the bandana is applied, so I’m going with that until H94 says otherwise.
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Does Snake still have the need to do that injection thing or did he get over it? It’s been a while since I played the game all the way through.
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Well, by the end of MGS4, the Sons of the Patriots system (which was causing Snake’s seizures) was destroyed, so Snake wouldn’t be needing the injections.
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Another thing…Snake’s OctoCamo does mask heat, but not necessarily scent. Crying Wolf was able to find Snake through smell alone within a ~100 meter radius. A blizzard was going on at the same time though.
“Octocamo doesn’t emit heat, so heat-vision wont help.”
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But his Cigarettes do DUNDUNDUNUNUNNUN.
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Snake damaging habit aside, you can still kind of see it with Infrared….just not to well compared to the background. At least I could when fighting L Octopus.
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“It’s mostly a loophole I noticed in the original post. MGS4′s game mechanics does permit infinite whatever when the bandana is applied, so I’m going with that until H94 says otherwise.”
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Iirc one of the rules is Battle scenario reigns supreme until it’s changed by the poster, admin, or the suggester. I’ll have to check.
Here it is
1. Battle Scenarios Reign Supreme
All debating rules in FactPile are subject to be altered or otherwise ignored in the battle’s scenario. Should the scenario not make any exception, the rest of the items on this list stand as default rules.
www.factpile.com/2812-factpile-debating-rules/
About Snakes camo Dachande’s helmet has EM vision which allow him to track cold blooded creatures like the Xenos. Snake’s Octocamo shouldn’t be a problem. Not to mention he can track him by both smell and sound since he can hear his breathing and heart beat at a certain distance.
But I’m leaning more toward Blade for the win. He’s the least likely to get hit by the Rail Gun since he’d be too fast to track and up close he could tear Snake apart.
I concur with midnite. While dodging railgun shells is beyond Blade, like with Snake vs Wesker, whos to say Snakes going to be able to aim a large bulky weapon such as that against a foe thats moving too fast for him to track and is physically superior
hmm….should have at least given Cameron her weapon she put together in one of the first episodes in the bank with snake having an armory and all….
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-all three of the hunters have been known to work together so i don’t see a problem with them at least not in fighting. the most probable team up though would probably be blade and cameron though since dachande would want the trophy for himself in the end more than not, but blade would probably be after the actual bounty and cameron would have just been programed to get the job done. So blade gets the money and cameron gets her mission complete sounds like the most likely team up in my opinion. if my memory serves me right they also could operate the fastest towards the goal….being much faster and all(again my memory of preds is lacking but i don’t remember them moving at vamp or car speeds like blade and cameron).
also if “she” thinks she is going to fail at capturing snake couldn’t she just blow up her mini nuke to get him? and in fact wouldn’t that be what her logical parameters of the match be, being a disposable machine and all? wouldn’t be a win since she didn’t get the win but it would end the match…..and have no winner….strange….maybe disallow that tacic then? what’s your thoughts on this hitman?
“also if “she” thinks she is going to fail at capturing snake couldn’t she just blow up her mini nuke to get him? and in fact wouldn’t that be what her logical parameters of the match be, being a disposable machine and all?”
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The goal is a non-lethal takedown of Snake for live capture. The hunters are stated to have ‘significantly more incentive’ to bring him back alive than dead.
Blade battle:
Gray Fox vs. Blade, anyone?
Sure….throw it in. Sounds like a good fight/win for Blade
Is Blade as fast a slasher as Fox? I just started reading this debate.
I’m not sure because I have limited knowledge on Fox, but Blade is definitely quick. He could probably take him on speedwise
Blade probably has Fox on durability, let alone Blade’s healing factor). I’m not sure about strength (Fox held up Rex’s foot with his hands as it was trying to crush him).
Speed-wise, he deflects rapid-fire ammo real easily while closing in, though.
Well, the closer the fight, the better it will be
Yeah
“The goal is a non-lethal takedown of Snake for live capture. The hunters are stated to have ‘significantly more incentive’ to bring him back alive than dead.”
-significantly more, yes, but if injured to the point of not functioning well enough to do the mission, then dead snake is in the bounty also. it’s not like if you only have a head shot on him and he has a head shot on you that you don’t take the shot because you want but don’t need him alive, so you let yourself die.