Suggested by Nuredhelion
This fights marks the debut of both characters here on FactPile. While Rhonin hails from the World of Warcraft franchise, Gavin Guile arrives from a book series named The Black Prism, written by Brent Weeks.
I always enjoy learning about new characters and worlds, and after doing some research on The Black Prism, I’ve added it to my reading list.
Anyways, to the battle:
Setting: Midday on a sunny day below Dalaran in the Crystalsong Forest (WOW).
Who would win?
FIRST!!!!!
Don’t know much about Rhonin except hes a good archmage.
“FIRST!!!!!“
Hey Lightning, you know what they say: first is the worst…
Don’t we have a fight to discuss?
…seriously lightning?
Can we get the buffs for both sides in there, already?
Hmm, this is interesting. I didn’t expect to see Rhonin, of all people, on this site. I can’t post a lot now, but I do intend on reading up on what I’ve forgotten of his magical feats.
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I know nothing of Gavin Guile.
Does anyone else want in on this fight?
Sry for the minor retardedness I just posted…. Just had to do it once.:D
Last!!1!!!!
After some research I just realized something, The Black Prism is the first book in a trilogy, the other two books in it aren’t out yet…
@Itchey
You mean…the match arrived far too soon???
Yeah, the second book is due out in September and the third book currently doesn’t have a fixed title.
@Itchey
Yet we ran into another Rushed-up match HOW???
The ratio for such rushed matches should have been lowered, by now. ;_;
Oh well, I guess we could just use the info from the first book. If anyone’s read it…
@Itchey
Let’s do that.
In regards to other rushed matches, I find even Jason vs Jace actually better than Jason vs Eragon, actually(but maybe that’s because I got a few people who arrived on factpile to get here!) so what are Guile’s abilities?
Woohooo it was posted
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@Commander Cross
Regarding the abilities of Gavin Guile:
He is the highest instance in Chromaturgy, the art of transforming light into different colored materials called Luxin.
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Some examples:
Every color of Luxin has special atributes. Red Luxin is is sticky, gooey, and extremely flammable. A ball of red Luxin thrown at a target can be ignited with Sub-Red Luxin wich turns into fire when it has contact with air when it’s coated with another Luxin like yellow which rapidly turns back into light, and like that be used as a bomb.
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Blue Luxin on the other side is hard, strong, and smooth. It can be transformed into blades, projectiles, armor and so on.
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The springy and flexible green Luxin can, beside many other things, used for going green golem.
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A quote from the book regarding the green golem:
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Not that she could have done much to help him. At the Chromeria, they called what Kip had done going green golem. At one time, they had taught it as a war magic. No longer.
There were three problems with going green golem. First, you couldn’t seal the green luxin. If you did, you couldn’t move. Some drafters got around that by making big sealed plates and just holding the joints in open green. What Kip was doing was much harder. He was holding all the magic at once. It took enormous focus, and the armor was only as hard as his will. If someone broke his focus, he’d lose his armor instantly. Second, using that much green luxin burned out drafters fast. In the False Prism’s War, Karris had heard of green drafters breaking the halo after going green golem only three or four times. Third, you had to be strong as a bull. The suit—the armor, the golem, whatever it was—had weight. For the drafter, it was less because their will took part of the weight, but they still had to move an enormous hunk of luxin. That said, using open green in the legs did mean that a skilled user could make enormous bounds, and once they got moving, they were nearly impossible to stop.
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Most Drafters (people who can transform Light into Luxin) are able to transform only one color, some, the Bichromes, are able to transform 2 colors, only a few are Polychromes, who have the ability to transform 3 or more colors (never all of them!). But there always (well read the book and you will learn that not exactly always) is only one Prism, who can transform all colors without limitation. (Except for his/her stamnia, of which the Prism in question, Gavin Guile seems to have quite a lot). A special feat of the Prism is, that he/she doesn’t need to “see” the color to create a specific colored Luxin, like the other Drafters. (For example normal Drafters wear glasses colored in their respective color – red drafters wear red glasses etc. – to create Luxin)
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Gavin Guile is used to fight with his abilities and has alone fended of large troups of soldiers as well as many dangerous beeings known as Color Wights, Drafters who have gone cracy and are consumed by their color, but have the ability to constantly alter their physics with their respective colored Luxin. (Color Wights also have almost no limit in creating Luxin of theirs color(s))
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Since it’s quite late i hope i could give you at least a rough overview.
Since I am not sure, if it’s allowed, I’ll seperatly post following link, wich shows a bit more information on the topic (I think there are some spoilers too!):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_Prism
Good Fight, Good Night,
Nuredhelion
The following quotes should you give you an idea as to what Rhonin is capable of.
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“The two reached the denser area, but the lead rider was nearly upon them. Turning about, Rhonin shouted a single word.
A blinding ball of pure force struck the night elf square in the chest, sending him flying back off his steed and into the trunk of a tree with a resounding crash.” -The Well of Eternity, page 45.
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“Rhonin reached into his belt pouch and from it drew what first looked like a band of glowing quicksilver. The quicksilver swiftly coalesced into a gleaming blade, a gift to Rhonin from an elven commander at the end of the war.
In the light of the wizard’s blade, the haughty expression of the night elves’ leader transformed into surprise. Nonetheless, he met Rhonin’s sword with his own.
Crimson and silver sparks flared. Rhonin’s entire body shook. The night elf nearly slipped from the saddle. The panther roared, but because of his rider could not reach their foe with his razor sharp claws.
They traded blows again. A wizard Rhonin might be, but he had learned over his life the value of being able to fight by hand. Vereesa had trained him so that even among seasoned warriors he could hold his own…and with the elven blade he stood a good chance of success against any one foe.” -The Well of Eternity, page 46.
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“ And suddenly there was a robed figure with red hair standing next to her. He wrapped his arms around the draenei before she could react.
“Damn it! You’re not her!”
Before she could respond, the cavern chamber disappeared. Iridi cried out in frustration. “No!”
She was outside again. Outside the mount that she had so desperately tried to enter.” -Night of the Dragon, page 91.
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“ And then, to the utter surprise of everyone—but especially the skardyn—a new menace materialized near the captured dragon, a menace of the likes Grenda could only imagine out of her nightmares.
A raptor…raptors…
Grenda counted two, then three, then four or more. She could swear that they literally popped into existence, for what else would explain their sudden, impossible presence in here of all places.
The raptors faced away from the dragon, striking at the nearest skardyn with wild abandon. Caught off-guard, the nearest skardyn perished in a quick ripping of flesh. And as the reptiles turned the battle to utter chaos, a more familiar figure appeared near the bound leviathan: Iridi, the draenei, but not alone. With her was a human who bore the look of a wizard, a human with thick, red hair.” –Night of the Dragon, page 114.
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“ Then, from one of the lower passages, half a dozen dragonspawn led by a drakonid charged toward Iridi and Rhonin. A raptor materialized next to one of the dragonspawn and immediately attacked. Grenda noticed that Rhonin had gestured at the same time.” –Night of the Dragon, page 115.
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In order to display his stubborn personality:
“ Rhonin and Iridi turned in the direction from which it had come to see the tall, slim lady in black. The scars on the one side of her face were evident to them even through the veil.
“You’re a dragon,” Rhonin commented.
Iridi showed no surprise at this; after what had happened to Krasus and Kalec, that this female was more than she appeared made perfect sense.
“Very good, Rhonin Redhair,” the dragon in mortal guise purred. “And do you know what dragon?”
The wizard shrugged, his demeanor quite calm considering that he stood amidst a chaotic battle of dwarves, skardyn, dragonspawn, drakonid, and raptors.
“You have that admirable disposition and manner of dark dress that means you must belong to Deathwing’s flight.” He pursed his lips in thought, then nodded. “And since you’re not the rabid dog or his two worst pups, I’d hazard by your grand posturing that you must be one of his prime bitches….”
The lady in black scowled, taken aback by the human’s daring affront.” –Night of the Dragon, page 121.
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“ Sinestra gestured.
A Shockwave rushed over all there, including the black dragon’s own minions. Not one creature
was left standing, so powerful was the invisible wave.
Not one creature…save Rhonin. His face was pale, yes, and his legs wobbled, but he still stood.
“If you think…me the same impetuous upstart…who came here to deal with your mate,” he rasped. “You’re…you’re only half-right.”” –Night of the Dragon, page 121 & 122.
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“Rhonin made no promises, mostly because he hoped to do just that. He stared at the dragon, which had quickly followed them up, muttering the words of power. At the last moment, the wizard glanced at the clouds above.
A single bolt of lightning shot down, striking at the pursuing giant.” –Day of the Dragon, page 64.
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“ Yet, just as death came within inches of her, the dragon suddenly pulled back his claws and began squirming in midair. The claws raked against his own torso. In fact, every set of claws was trying to scratch somewhere, anywhere, as if—as if the leviathan suffered an incredibly painful itch. Atop him, the orc struggled for control, but he might as well have been the very flea that seemed to trouble the dragon for all the beast obeyed him now.
Vereesa stopped and stared, never having witnessed so startling a sight. The dragon twisted and turned as he tried to relieve his agony, his actions growing more and more frantic. His orc handler could barely hold on. What, the elf wondered, could have caused the monster so much—
The answer came out as a whisper. “Rhonin?””
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“ All the while, the dragon soared overhead, tearing at its hide. Once Vereesa glanced up and saw that he had even managed to draw blood, his own claws one of the few things capable of ripping through his armored skin. Of the orc she saw no more sign; at some point the tusked warrior must have lost his grip and fallen. Vereesa felt no remorse for him.
“What did you do to the dragon?” she finally managed to gasp.
Rhonin, intent on finding the end of the blaze, did not even look back at her. “Something that didn’t turn out the way I planned! He should’ve suffered more than an intense irritation!”” –Day of the Dragon, page 16.
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Rhonin can fire balls of concussive force, teleport himself and others, withstand powerful spells, summon lightning bolts, and has a magical sword, which he is proficient in using. He also can apparently cause intense and painful itching in even such massive and magical beats as dragons, but I can’t say what it would do to a normal human.
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That Luxin stuff sounds pretty creative though, and I don’t know if Rhonin can take Gavin, but he is a powerful wizard as far as Warcraft humans go.
Judging by the lack of comments, I take it no one cares to argue. Rhonin wins, then?
Well, I’d say after a intense fight with much firepower and solid defenses on both side Gavin wins with a booby trap made of several balls made of blue luxin filled with yellow luxin and a opening mechanism triggered by a superviolet string.
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The basic concept can be taken from following quote:
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““You know what superviolet is great for?” Gavin asked. “Tripping people.” Every girl in the class grinned guiltily. All had done that at one time or another. “No, seriously. The pranks are where you learn to apply your color in ways no one else has thought of. You have to be a little bad to make history. Sealed superviolet isn’t as strong as blue or green, but it weighs almost nothing, and for Orholam’s sake, it’s invisible!” Gavin drafted a hollow superviolet egg the size of his hand. He winced for an instant, as if something was paining him. “The trick with yellow, Liv, is to understand how it releases its power. So, into the middle of this egg, draft liquid yellow.” He did. “The important bit is to leave absolutely no air inside the container. It has to be solid.” He closed it while looking at the girls, not paying attention. He’d just left an air bubble in the egg. He hadn’t noticed.
“If it’s solid, totally airtight, then even if you shake it—”
Liv raised her hand, opened her mouth, but she was too slow.
Gavin shook the egg. It exploded with a blinding flash.
Everyone hit the ground.
Before Liv even opened her eyes, she heard Gavin laughing. Was he insane? She looked up, but his hair wasn’t even ruffled. “Now,” Gavin said. “If that egg had been made of blue luxin, when it shattered we’d all have been cut to pieces. But as you all know in your heads—if not in your hearts or your bodies, apparently—sealed superviolet frays easily. Not that it can’t be useful.” With a speed and facility that stunned Liv, he drafted another egg and filled it with liquid yellow luxin.”
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Rhonin pushing Gavin back with volleys of Fireballs which Gavin fends off with an shield drafted of blue luxin. Avoiding the various, and obviously harmfull blue balls he couldnt see the superviolet strings which connected those balls…
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This trap was a desperate last efford made by Gavin, because after a long fight sunset draw near, and with the sun gone, and only minor light sources left (although there are always lights left in Crystalsong Forest) he would have lost a considerable amount of fightingpower and ultimately the fight.
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So i give Gavin the win, but a close one.
Sorry i messed with the cursive.
Italics.
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How does Gavin survive a lightning bolt striking his head? Or… keep from bursting in to flames, for that matter?
oh… ok, then i messed with the italics
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As much as i got from the book Drafters can cover their whole body in Luxin, and as each Luxin has certain abilities i consider for example blue as fire resistant. In worst case, it is not Fire resistant it can be used to extinguish the fire by seperating it from oxigen by covering it.
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Hmmm I don’t really know what to say about the conductivity of Luxin…
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That said I’ll admit an advantage of Rhonin, because i cant prove Luxin is resistant to electricity.
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Guess Rhonin isn’t archmage because of connections
Gavin wins.
superchromat.
if he goes all out,
which is entirely possible, he can become essentially an invincible, extremely rational/smart opponent.
has the second book come out yet?
Nope, “THE BLINDING KNIFE is the second book in The Lightbringer Series. It will be released in Fall 2012″ Still some time till the release.
Well Gavins damage output is extreme, but the question wich occurred was, how luxin reacts to for example lightning… it’s conductivity so to say. And Rhonin is no weakling himselfe as Soulerous explained before…
Red luxin would probably blow up, blue would conduct, green & yellow insullate. Orange would probably insulate to.
What about thermal resistance and physical resistance? Any ideas?
I don’t see Rhonin losing this.
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“No!”Utilizing raw will, Rhonin countered, throwing up a shield as powerful as any he had ever created.
The dark flames struck the invisible barrier with their full fury . . . and rebounded back at the golem.
Rhonin would not have expected the creature’s own weapon to have any effect on it, but the flames not only took hold of their wielder, they coursed over him with hunger. A roar erupted from the golem’s fleshless throat, an ungodly, inhuman roar.
The monstrous creature quivered—then exploded, unleashing magical forces of hurricane proportion into the tiny mountain chamber.
Unable to withstand those forces, what remained of the ceiling collapsed atop the defenders.” -Day of the Dragon, page 168.
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“An incredible pressure pushed down on Rhonin’s head, a pressure so immense he felt as if at any moment his skull would burst open. With some effort, he forced his eyes open, trying to see if he could find out what pressed on him and how he could quickly remove it.
Turning his blurry gaze upward, he gasped.
An avalanche of rock—literally a ton and more— floated just a foot or so above his head. A dim radiance, the only visible sign of the shield he had cast earlier, revealed the one reason why he had not been crushed to pulp.” -Page 172.
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Add his powerful shield to his ability to cast lightning, balls of force, and slice with an enchanted sword, I’m fairly confident that Rhonin would triumph over Gavin Guile.
”Add his powerful shield to his ability to cast lightning, balls of force, and slice with an enchanted sword, I’m fairly confident that Rhonin would triumph over Gavin Guile”
You know, this fight definitely needs to wait until the next book comes out because as it stands right now Gavin gets stomped, hard. Really fun books though.
Alright, but as Rhonin has just died in lore, I’m going to take this opportunity to add another item to his feat list.
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“The eight-legged horror leapt around the frozen fire, howling as it charged the human.
Rhonin cast.
The earth beneath the abomination exploded, a storm of dirt rising up and covering the lupine creature. It howled again and, despite the intense forces against it, struggled toward the mage. A crust formed over the legs and torso. The mouth shut tight as a layer of rock-solid earth sealed it. One by one, the inhuman orbs were covered by a film of dust.
Just a few feet from its victim, the creature stilled. To all appearances, it now seemed but a perfectly cast statue, not the actual monster itself.” -The Well of Eternity, page 26.
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So, some form of entrapment via stony shell.
Damnit… the book (the blinding knive) will be here in about 2 days (german edition)… I so fu****g hope Dazen will prevail… but Rhonin – once again – proved to be – (has been) – a hard opponent (see Jaina Proudmore for reference)…damnit – I want to support Gavin!!!