Suggested by Whatthecell
Here is what should be quite a battle in the shape of the Dr Who universe going up against the Hall of Fame winning Stargate franchise.
The Dr Who supporters need to be on their game, once Mata sees this match, I’m betting he’ll be throwing his collective weight of the Stargate universe into this.
Which side wins?
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First!
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Initial bet with Dr. Who
Whoa, admin has given Dr. Who supporters a fair warning.
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A veteran FactPiler is coming. Matapiojo is coming. The great ape is coming.
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*ponders what would happen if L-W shows up and starts to support Dr. Who*
O dayuuum.
Eh, for the time being I’m placing my bets on the Whoniverse. I mean, the Last Great Time War was something else, between two empires who wrote the book on time-travel.
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Well, that’s assuming both sides get everything.
My money is with Dr. Who.
This is going to be an interesting match. Here’s hoping it doesn’t turn out to be a stomp.
Don’t the people from Doc Who have time stuff or something? I don’t watch the show bit I thought I’d heard something of the sort.
“but I thought” not bit. On a cellphone
The Who universe wins. They could literally go back in time to the start of the match and do everything over and over until they win. It may take a thousand times, or maybe just one. Eventually, they’ll pull out a W. A perfect 100/100.
“Don’t the people from Doc Who have time stuff or something? I don’t watch the show bit I thought I’d heard something of the sort.”
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Given that time travel is the framing device of the show, yeah.
Can they freeze time, or just go backwards or forwards through it?
Reality Bomb. The End.
I’m not super familiar with the Dr. Who universe, so correct me if I’m wrong but…isnt the Doctor the last timelord around? If that’s the case it’s one man and a random chick vs the SG groups and all their big, bad allies that they could call in.
@ Sauro
If Goku tanks the Reality Bomb….never mind.
Would the Reality Bomb effect a phased out planet?
This is a universe battle, so assume both sides are at their height.
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No omnipotent or nigh-omnipotent beings also (really, that’s a door you really don’t want to open when it comes to Doctor Who).
“Would the Reality Bomb effect a phased out planet?”
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It is explicitly stated to affect every single parallel dimension and universe (effectively destroying all of reality).
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But seriously, let’s also leave out ridiculous superweapons such as the Reality Bomb and Final Sanction as without them this isn’t even a fight.
as with* them this isn’t even a fight.
“If that’s the case it’s one man and a random chick vs the SG groups and all their big, bad allies that they could call in.”
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That’s really all they need to begin with…
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“Would the Reality Bomb effect a phased out planet?”
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The Reality Bomb destroys everything. Everywhere. Everywhen. It strikes every single reality in the multiverse. It destroys. Everything. It is defined by its all consuming nature.
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“But seriously, let’s also leave out ridiculous superweapons such as the Reality Bomb and Final Sanction as without them this isn’t even a fight.”
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Awwww….
Didn’t Dr. Who managed to beat out Star Wars?
“But seriously, let’s also leave out ridiculous superweapons such as the Reality Bomb and Final Sanction as without them this isn’t even a fight.”
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Does this apply to both sides?
“Didn’t Dr. Who managed to beat out Star Wars?”
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Not a big accomplishment at all, the lowest end Doctor Who races could solo them. The Doctor alone could solo them. It was an unimaginable stomp.
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I’d just like to point out that Doctor Who has it’s own version of ‘phase-shifting.’ Both the Time Lords and Daleks have it. The most notable example is, in The Stolen Earth/Doomsday, the Daleks themselves and several dozen planets out of sync with the universe by one second, making them undetectable.
“Does this apply to both sides?”
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Yeah.
@Eric- That’s not how time travel works in the Who universe. You cannot repeat timelines or it will cause a paradox which is really, really bad.
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The time travel aspect will be limited here. But it doesnt matter because you are putting every Doctor Who race against every Stargate race. The Whoverse has some of the meanest villains ever conceived:
-The Angels: Indestructible, they cant move unless you are not looking but one touch will kill or send you to some random time.
-Daleks: Billions of Necron level machines with forcefields and instagib weapons.
- The silence: Nobody knew they existed because as soon as you stop looking at them, you forget about them.
-Cybermen: An army of terminators
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This should be an interesting fight, I’m going to bed now.
Daleks alone are monstrous by themselves. If they get the reality bomb, its game over for everyone.
“The time travel aspect will be limited here.”
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Hardly limited, Doctor Who has some things that utterly rape time travel. For example Time Locks, Time Loops, and much more.
“The Who universe wins. They could literally go back in time to the start of the match and do everything over and over until they win. It may take a thousand times, or maybe just one. Eventually, they’ll pull out a W. A perfect 100/100″
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This is exactly the argument for the Xeelee being able to beat Stargate.
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Long story short, Stargate doesn’t think so. They say in the future at some point SG would have AR jumped and can win from there without beign able to be followed. Even if they get killed in the past, the future self has escaped.
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Anyway guys this NEEDS TO BE DISRPOVEN (like it hasn’t already) I’ll wait for Mike and Cana to explain their tactic because what you said above is the exact same tactic thats being used in the Xeelee vs SG match and its being disputed.
Who time travel works completely differently, that whole discussion does not apply here. What’s stopping a couple War TARDISes from simply erasing them from time? This isn’t a ‘grandfather paradox’ thing, but they have weaponry capable of literally erasing a solar system from existence, and time torpedos which freeze targets in time.
I’m just not going to get involved in this. I’ll wait for SG people to show up and get this thing started.
Dr Who verses anything is a stomp, he takes on whole empires regularly and even the whole universe a time or two.
There are also time destructors, which cause all organisms to rapidly age until they turn to dust (which war TARDISes are equipped with), or to the exact opposite ie de-age people so that they simply disappear.
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www.whoniverse.net/tardis/104form.php
Also:
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tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Time_Destructor
What do War TARDIS look like, compared to the one we keep seeing in the current series?
@Cross:
Anything and everything. The only reason we only see the Doctor in a Police Box is because his chameleon circuit is broken and it cannot be anything other than a police box.
Paraphrased
River “Check your Records again I’m River Song”
Dalek “MMMEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRCCCCCCCCCCYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!”
For those of you who don’t know thats River Song making a Dalek beg for mercy, a nigh unstopable xenophobic genocidal killing machine begging from mercy from the woman who killed the Doctor, River is a dangerous foe to be lined up against, she’s a Timelord to boot so theres more to her than meets the eye.
If anyone from the Stargate universe finds records on the Doctor they’ll be reading about a man who makes armies cringe in terror, there’s an old saying in the Whoiniverse “Demons run when a good man goes to war” Demons is everything that likes killing innocents. a good man is The Doctor, basically Stargate needs to RUN!
@Angel:
You forgot the bit where she made him say it again. :[
Also, the sonic screwdriver, while not being a weapon in and of itself, is a highly versatile tool, and the Doctor has used it to destroy weapons before.
What would be interesting was if this was composite universe, 11 Doctors would be fun.
@Commander
as Dr. Doctor said anything, any Tardis could be anywhere at any time and anything.
the only reason the Doctors is broke, is he thinks the Police Box is cool, i have to agree.
A Time Lord Armada can hide in plain sight and has the power to wipe out galaxies.
@DrDoctor
true, still the fact she made an emotionless monster beg for mercy can give a person fighting her nightmares for sure.
The Screwdrivers, since all Time Lords have one form or another
composite would mean multiple Master’s too, I can’t recall how many versions of him there are though. He’s another dangerous aspect though, especially if its current version of him Lightning Hands and eating people its implied, Sith Lord Vampire much? And threaten the Doctor in front of him, I dare you.
We’d have more than thirteen Masters canonically, though we’ve only seen about seven I believe. We also have the Rani, Rassilon, and…damn, too many to list for me at this moment…
Not that THREE is too many, it’s just my mind wanders. I’ll find a list of everyone. Someday in the future.
Aren’t all of the Time Lords dead? If this is current incarnation, that would mean the War TARDIS’s are out of the fight.
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That being said, is this the Stargate we see in the show, or is this the immediate-time-travel, immediate-Alternate-Reality-Jumping, immediate-planet-phase-shifting wankfest that has appeared on Factpile as of late?
I’m a huge fan of both, so I’m being fair, I must go with Doctor who, no race in stargate, besides the Ancients, which aren’t really in it, could rival the combined power of the Daleks and Timelords. That,
and the Timelords have ships that can shoot blackholes, Plus the Daleks would have the Special Weapons Dalek. That being said, Stargate has some pretty powerful stuff also, however, we would have more then one timelord, cause at the start of the show there was a planet of them.
Don’t forget two or Three Romana’s and….hell at least two of every Time Lord ever, and Omega unless he’s not allowed. Then there’s all the freaking Dalek Paradigms including the recent Mighty Morphin Power Daleks!
Oh and we can’t forget the Silence….aliens that you forget the instant you aren’t looking at them, ultimate infiltrators. Headless Monks, lets see….Slitheen the Waters of Mars virus the Creatures from Planet of the Dead Unit Torchwood, specifically Captain Jack Harkness the unkillable man, litterally if every single other Who universe being is killed he’ll keep fighting and not getting killed.
@Aelfinn
actually they are just locked in time, but if this is a Universe battle they are allowed. Plus the Daleks got out so why shouldn’t they get to come out and slaughter some Stargate peoples.
That and DW has Thanatos, the machine that can wipe out races if they’re deemed unfit.
@GuardianAngel1911
Ahh!! The Silence!!!! That’ll wipe out the Goa’uld even!
What about the Hand of Omega? They could make a supernova with it?
And lest we forget when the Doctor reveals his name, the universe he’s in at that moment will end. All he has to do is waltz out of a stargate say it and leap back through to his verse.
“actually they are just locked in time,”
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The Doctor killed all of them, and he thought he had killed all the Daleks, but he messed up. He killed them because the Time Lords were going to end the universe, and in doing so, become beings of pure energy that were also removed from causality.
“And lest we forget when the Doctor reveals his name, the universe he’s in at that moment will end.”
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Sorry for the double post, but we have no idea what the ramifications are of saying the Doctor’s name.
and the TARDIS ships can tow black holes around, pull it through an enemy fleet, that’ll kill them. And there’s towing planets too toss an enemy planet into a black hole or star.
There’s a reason the Deathstar was useless against the Doctor Who universe.
What about the laser screwdriver? Anybody remember that? It’d burn holes in the SG fleets.
@Aelfinn
rewatch End of Time, they are just trapped in the Moment, as good as dead but not truly dead, just trapped in the last moment of the war unless the one with the key to the moment (the Doctor) unlocks it.
I stated earlier: all factions are at their height. The Time Lords are in this.
“rewatch End of Time, they are just trapped in the Moment, as good as dead but not truly dead, just trapped in the last moment of the war unless the one with the key to the moment (the Doctor) unlocks it.”
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Well-played. I concede.
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But yeah, unless Stargate has light-fast reflexes and pulls some major bullshit right quick, this is a stomp. The Tardis alone pulled the Earth to where it was originally. Not to mention that if they really needed to, they could open a Tardis and allow someone to take control of the time-energy inside. It happened to Rose Tyler, and she pretty much became a time-traveling Doctor Manhattan.
Is the Reality Bomb allowed?
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Also Rose Tyler high on Time Energy.
@Dread Lord
We didn’t mention the Laser variety but yes I remember them. Laser Screwdrivers which as far as we know are one hit kills like the Dalek weapons plus army of nigh immortal time travelers that can banish races from existence equals as I said earlier the Stargate people needing to RUN!!!!!!!!!
@Aelfinn
Oh yeah can’t forget BadWolf, ah that was awesome, plus that happens and suddenly all dead people back into play and immortal on the Who side.
@Blood Dancer
I don’t think Reality Bomb is allowed, but the Whoiniverse won’t need it. as you said Rose Tyler on Time Energy is a demigod,
“Is the Reality Bomb allowed?”
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Unfortunately, no. Anything that can end a universe that quick is pretty much gone. Although, if Stargate tries any AR-traveling bullshit, it would take care of them.
“Is the Reality Bomb allowed?”
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No ridiculous superweapons such as the Reality Bomb or Final Sanction, they just make this is ridiculous stomp.
“Although, if Stargate tries any AR-traveling bullshit, it would take care of them.”
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Travelling to parallel universes and alternate dimensions was easy back when the Time Lords were at the fight. During the Last Great Time War, entire battle were even situated in the Great Void, which was the space between universes.
Travelling to parallel universes and alternate dimensions was easy back when the Time Lords were at their height**.
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(what am I thinking?)
“Although, if Stargate tries any AR-traveling bullshit, it would take care of them.”
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So it can be used provided SG uses that tactic?
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“plus that happens and suddenly all dead people back into play and immortal on the Who side.”
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I had forgotten this…
@Whatthecell
Is Rose Tyler too close to omnipotent to be allowed?
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Man, there are too many ways for Doctor Who to finish them.
I just realized something Sonic Screwdrivers can screw with the Stargates to keep reinforcement unites from the Stargate verse from getting where they need to go. or worse yet lock a Stargate so its unusable.
also as for what your thinking, depends what you mean, and don’t forget allowing the other universes means you add the TimeLords of Romana’s little pocket universe.
“So it can be used provided SG uses that tactic?”
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I don’t think so. As Whatthecell pointed out, they don’t need it, but I was just having my mind wander.
“Man, there are too many ways for Doctor Who to finish them.”
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Which will be quickly dismissed by a certain person once he sees the match…And no I don’t mean Mata.
Another thing to look for is that if a Tardis’s life inside of it is destroyed, all the stars in the universe at every point in time go Supernova.
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This…is a major stomp.
“Is Rose Tyler too close to omnipotent to be allowed?”
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Not right off the bat, but I guess if somebody decides to look into the heart of the TARDIS they would be allowed to do that. Though it tends to kill the person in a couple minutes (or force a regeneration for a Time Lord).
Why italics?
@Blood Dancer
please, enlighten us
@Aelfinn
or just stop a fixed moment in time like River did.
Man, sorry about that italics thing.
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“Which will be quickly dismissed by a certain person once he sees the match…And no I don’t mean Mata.”
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You see, Stargate has the ability to time-travel, Alternate-reality jump, and phase-shift entire planets within seconds of match start. Oh, and you are unable to comprehend what I am saying.
Who left italics on?
Did I do this?
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Hopefully that fixed it.
yes they can do all of that, but so can the Time Lords and possibly Daleks
God, I’m new at this italics thing. I thought I did it right.
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experiment
I don’t know. This is a pretty exciting match, though, even as a Dr. Who fanboy.
I understood what you said, and as I stated Timelords have very similar feats
@Dr. Doctor
agreed this is exciting.
“Oh, and you are unable to comprehend what I am saying.”
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The failure to comprehend our arguments is astronomical. You are all stupid and don’t understand. I am intelligent.
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You obviously can’t tell the difference between an actual response and an idiot’s reply.
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I win. I have successfully proven this beyond any reasonable doubt using evidence which I will not present to you.
@Whatthecell
what? Okay….anyway…
“what? Okay….anyway…”
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Just an inside joke, read the Xeelee vs Stargate thread if you want to know.
How do you fix it?!?!
I thought you two were really mad for a second.
@Whatthecell
okay will do, I’m guessing a troll was involved in that thread at some point wasn’t there?
“I thought you two were really mad for a second.”
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LOL.
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Seriously, I’m just gonna experiment.
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THIS DAMN ITALICS!
I just wanted to add emphasis… *sob*
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Gaaah!
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You might want to look into this bug, Admin…
Reality Bomb.
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The Dalek Empire alone could solo but bringing in the rest of the Dr. Who universe is a colossal stomp. God forbid the Daleks and Cybermen team up like they did during their invasion at Torchwood.
The italics effect may stop if we go to the next page.
Lets just get back to the battle at hand and hopefully something will work out eventually.
Okay if we need to get to the next page allow me to add to the list of soloing races
Silence
Sontorans possibly
“Lets just get back to the battle at hand ”
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Too bad it isn’t much of a battle, at least until Mike gets here.
Weeping Angels?
Weeping Angels
I am so sorry. I…I didn’t know!
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Hell, just get someone to sketch 5,000 Weeping Angels, and they’ll all go out and kill everyone important.