Suggested by Man
A fight between Alastor “Mad-Eye” Moody from Harry Potter going up against King Bradley from the Fullmetal Alchemist manga.
Rules: Moody will be given only his wand, Bradley will be given four swords that cannot be Transfigured. | Moody is allowed to freely Apparate, but only within the one hundred square meter arena that is the battlefield. | Both are in the prime of life, meaning Moody still has two good legs. | Avada Kedavra is not allowed, and Transfigurations last only thirty seconds.
Mad-Eye makes his Factpile debut representing the Harry Potter series. King Bradley, also known as Wrath, also makes his debut for the Full Metal Alchemist Series. It’s the battle of two variations of Magic with both being at their prime and rules to hopefully make this more even and not one sided.
Can the Mad-Eye overcome the Ultimate Eye? Or will Bradley prove that a Homunculus is superior to a Wizard?
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Bradley would win due to his precog and superhuman reflexes. Unless Moody can do a wide area stun spell.
@Lightning
*busts out medieval gauntlets*
I’m here to start gathering aid for Mad-Eye Moody, its time for the rallying creed to be uttered at this point, alright?
If anyone has any questions, speak now or hold your tongue, but don’t be a trolloc or you’ll get shot by me, personally, alright?
@CC
Hahahaha. KING BRADLEY IS HERE!!!!
@Lightning
I know, and for those siding with Moody, you must always remember the following: CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!!
Does Harry Potter have some kind of EU to pull from? Because I thought Bradley was swatting away automatic fire and cutting tank shells in half while moving.
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Unless Moody has extreme speed feats over everyone else in the HPverse, Bradley is going to fillet this dumb cripple.
Armstrong or some other military may have been fairer for Moody — Bradley is one of the faster characters in the series, he could probably take Ed easy in a FP fight. Unless Ed has bullet-timing feats, I don’t remember.
Yeah, Bradley’s precog especially helps him. Kinda like Sharingan once you think about it.
You better be talking about Ed Cullen, then.
We have the Games and the Movies with some of the spells, but its debatable if spells from either are gonna get permitted!
Barring that, the closest we’ll get is either Pottermore or the Encyclopedia unless someone along the lines of Leiland Chee FINALLY gets appointed, already!(or the projects wind up being along the lines of the Project .hack or .hack//Conglomerate, for that matter)
Admittedly I got in mind for Mad-Eye Moody an opponent in Anteres from the G.U era of the .hack universe, but no doubt I should be conserving the ammo of this gun of mine, right here, to anyone who says otherwise(in general!)
@Lieutenant
In the meantime, are spells like Reducto allowed to harm Bradley if they can hit him?(which given Bradley’s reflexes may be easier said than done, yet the doing ought to be easier due to Mad-Eye’s ‘Eye’ then?)
Regular canon until changed. So for now go with movie/book feats of Moody’s.
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www.manga123.com/read/Fullmetal-Alchemist/97/30
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Bulletstorm shtick
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He sidestepped some bullets in an AMV, I think this is the corresponding scan: www.manga123.com/read/Fullmetal-Alchemist/97/35
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But that first one is more apparent what with the slashing and firing squad bits.
www.manga123.com/read/Fullmetal-Alchemist/97/29
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That should go ahead of the first link — it’s the people and tank that are firing at him.
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That 2nd link in post 10 isn’t the feat, I thought those were bullet streaks, just action lines.
(sigh)
I already knew that the guy would be a TARTARUS of a PAIN to be fighting against(watching the episode where the feats are from says it all!) but this?
Gonna need more info from the Lieutenant, then.
Wrath being at his prime is a shit ton more deadly than moody at his prime, if moody’s eye could track wrath (which i think it could, do to it’s magical nature), he would have a good chance to apparate around before he gets cut up.
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BTW just a point of clarification for those of you out there who think bradley has pre-cog, in fact, he does not have pre-cog, he has an ability called the perfect eye, which allows him to see the perfect route to everything and allows him perfect visibility in whatever conditions are present.
Which is why he was killed by Scar, otherwise if he had pre-cog he should never have been hit.
Apparating wouldn’t move quickly enough, that one elf-slave guy, who arguably has the quickest method of apparating was tailed by a thrown-knife. Bullet-timer with mass-bullet sword strokes is going to dice Moody quick. Need speed/RT feats for Moody to give him some breathing room at the moment, otherwise any combat-specific (or combat-range) apparating is going to wind up teleporting Moody while he’s a pile of gore.
Mad Eye’s “rectomsempra” spell blows the swords to ashes, a feat im sure Commander Cross can account for. Moody is an Auror, so i would like to think that his Occlumantary traning could help prevent some of that precognition that Bradley has going on.
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If all else fails, i think Mad-Eye will turn one of Bradley’s shoes into a portkey that leads to the bottom of shark infested waters
*Reducto, not rectomsempra, that spell tickles people… sorry Pilers
Feats
From what I’ve seen, Moody isn’t sharp enough to target a moving Bradley, much less a specific part of him like his shoe.
Mister Teal is right, even though moody might be able to see and respond to Wrath he is not quite fast enough to do so.
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And my goodness people, as I said before, Wrath does not have pre-cog. read my post from above.
Actually, he does have pre-cog. The Ultimate Eye shows him the outcome of everything that happens within his line of sight. He lost this ability when the eye was scratched out by Greed, which is why he was eventually defeated by Scar (the stab wound in his abdomen and the bullet in his shoulder helped as well).
The way Buccaneer managed to bypass Wrath’s foresight was by stabbing through Fu (who Wrath had grievously wounded only moments before, and who’s body was currently blocking his vision). During the confusion, Bradley was caught off guard by an enraged Greed/Ling, and the rest is history.
On another note, how much superior is the manga to Brotherhood in terms of canon? Because in Brotherhood he’s visibly supersonic.
Brotherhood is almost scan for scan, but they have to expand on events to fill out scenes in order to convey constant motion and such.
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I don’t think the tank shell slicing and the other bullet-dodging bit is in the manga, I couldn’t find it anyway.
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But the firing squad + tank gun bulletstorm was there, and that’s probably one of his better sword/RT feats anyway.
Bullet dodging from at almost point blank
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The way that man moves(escaping from a exploded and falling train wreck by hopping from pieces of falling debris) I’m assuming the wizard got to have some amazing speed otherwise he get gutted before he’s even able to cast a spell or use his wand.
Train thing
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The anime gives a better visual of what happen but I couldn’t find it at the moment.
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More Bullet dodging
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(puts bolter gun away, for now)
Well in any case, looks like Pong is up!
First come, first serve, after all!
How far/fast can Moody throw? Because if he can toss his magic eye to Bradley fast enough, he could watch himself choke on his own blood.
@Agent
(facepalm)
WHY DIDN’T YOU JUST CONSIDER UNBREAKABLE VOWS, of ALL THINGS???(If you had to gun for suicide scenarios that aren’t even cases of MAD, the latter of which has more badassery?)
What’s an unbreakable vow?
harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Unbreakable_Vow
THIS.IS.AN UNBREAKABLE VOW!!!!!
I don’t understand what you said in post 28 then. Is Moody not allowed to kill himself because of a vow?
@Agent
My point is that the vow has been known to save lives, more times than not, especially the lives of the side that allows it!
What is Moody’s vow exactly?
Moody isn’t listed in the known users in the wiki you listed, Cross. Also, the vow apparently needs two other people in order to properly cast it–people who would count as outside help and thus unusable.
@Agent Sparks Teal/Teal Sparks
Lieutenant didn’t necessarily state the vow Mad-Eye has made or whether or not he made any, before being sent in there.
So for all intents and purposes, let’s just say he pretty much made a vow to go ahead and kill Bradley since its a death-match, or die by Bradley’s hands in kombat, trying.
Attempting to die otherwise will not work, let’s just go with that, alright?
@Observer
(facepalms, feeling the badassery flow slow down via a significant margin!)
BLAST IT!!!!
Alright, so King B. for the stomp then? There doesn’t seem to be notable feats for Moody.
@Teal
Yep, stomp unless we get better feats for Moody.
Actually, based on the movies, which is all I know, I think the problem was the portal stayed open too long so the knife could fly through. Though, still, Bradley might be able to run through it even if that’s the case.
@Epic
You recalled Mad-eye having displayed combat capabilities, right?
This would be so much easier if we had short stories on his better days to report, wouldn’t it? T_T (All we can agree on is that he’s a bigger pain to fight at his prime than how he is in the current events of the Potter-world before T.D.H, but barring that???Not much else!)
Such a shame Alastor made his debut in a stomp match. He just can’t deal with the speed of this opponent.
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Although, if I really had to nit-pick, it would be regarding the picture. I’m thoroughly put out with Moody’s portrayal in film. He’s supposed to look like this.
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He’d go down fighting. It would just be a very quick fight.
@Soul
Due to the lack of some kind of E.U or Semi-E.U deal that shows his earlier days in combat, I fear you’re right. -_-’
Unless Moody’s permitted Felix Felicis, but I’m not sure how legal that is to get something that puts otherwise rotted luck on par with that of the Ta’ver’en trio from WoT or any of the 3 sons of Kronos, to be frank.(unless your opponent happens to be Eragon or something that can just cancel it out, outright)
Felix Felicis would make the fight much more interesting, but Moody is sadly permitted only his wand. An Extended Universe of sorts might help, but not likely. Speed is a hard wall to climb.
@Soul
We need more information from Lieutenant Hermit if/when he arrives here to give us a more in-depth rundown on what’s going on, agreed?
When will Pottermore or that Encyclopedia be released, already?
Sure. If only there were not restrictions, Moody might have a fighting chance. I’m still unsure as to his ability to hit with the spells though, but if King Bradley is ever one to stand still, it could happen; after all, many spells have no visible projectile.
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Pottermore should be ready relatively soon. I can’t see it taking more than a few months.
@Soul
Hopefully things will be looking up for the Potterworld fights in future factpile matches, if Pottermore provides us with loads of new content to work with, right?
I doubt we’ll get anything significant in making the Harry Potter characters more formidable combatants. It’s more likely to be fun filler and facts about how things work in the magical world. J.K. Rowling isn’t much one to think of how her characters would do against those of other universes.
@Soul
Wouldn’t she actually be getting…I dunno, MORE BREATHING ROOM, if she finds someone along the lines of Leliand Chee she can reasonably trust to appoint with such warfare matters?
Think of all the wall-bangs that can be reduced via percentages if she does that!
I guess in another matter, I may as well be all the grateful that Old-Man Riordan placed more thought into such matters, but still….
EU is allowed.
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Part two of the FMA vs Harry Potter grudge match.
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I’m going for Dumbles vs Hohenheim next. Don’t discuss it here.
So KB has anime too? Deader wizard.
@Lieuteunant
Is Mad-Eye permitted to obtain Felix Felicis to engage Bradley, at this rate?
You know what would be lucky for Moody is if he could get his wand lodged in his urethra, and bleed out before the match starts.
What would be lucky for Bradley, is if he can slip on the floor, run to explosives and then get decapitated by Anti-Homunculi blades before the match starts.
I’m just being optimistic here.
its mutual(albeit with an edge of masochism on my part!) in that case.
What about shrinking spells? Would Moody be able to shrink his own ribcage and have it crush his internal organs? Or does he need a line of sight. That’s the kind of feats we need.
Suicide Feats are only useful if no other means of MAD can be applied(And I’m talking MAD as in Mutually Assured Destruction!)
Otherwise I would be asking how fast can Bradley toss up his own head to Moody before Moody can destroy the rest of Bradley’s body, for that matter, to be frank.
Moody can’t hit Bradley, that’s why we need suicide feats for him. There’s some reasoning here Cross.
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What about depression, does Moody suffer from that?
Its possible that its the case(War syndromes can do that!) but he can hold out on it
Well point is we’re getting somewhere.
Does Bradley have any chronic War-time influenced depression, for that matter?
I’m asking this, because it doesn’t look like he mentally lacked honest blood on his hands, either, nor does it look like he might have hid a few skeletons in his closet.
I don’t know, iirc he had come to terms with being a homunculi. Lowk or someone else more familiar with the manga could probably field that question though.
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How strong is Moody? Could he cave his own head in with that cane he carries?
@ Commander
Bradley is a Homunculus. And no, he doesn’t suffer from depression.
@Lieutenant
So much for that attempt at being bright, on my part.
So how strong is Bradley, again?
Strong enough to cleave Moody in half like wet tissue while not being hit by Moody’s attacks.
Without Moody accessing Felix Felicis, right?
How smart is Bradley, again?
We got feats of IQ scores?
And can a Homunculus commit MAD?
No, the luck factor for Moody would be dying faster, that’s it though.
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Not sure of his IQ, he doesn’t need it too much though in this instance, maybe in a different scenario.
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Bradley can kill Moody, yes. But it won’t be mutual though since Moody isn’t strong enough to return the favor.
Luck isn’t really a measurable quantity, Commander. That’s one of the reasons the Chief doesn’t get his luck in his matches.
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I say Bradley takes this without much effort. He is ruthless in combat, as mentioned before fast enough to dodge bullets point blank, and is no chump with a sword.
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The episode where Ed became a State Alchemist, he transmuted a spear and attacked Bradley. Everyone rushed to his defense, but he laughed off the feigned attack, and walked away. Before he was gone, the spear broke into several pieces, sliced several times.
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To Ed’s perception, the perception of his eye, Bradley never even drew his sword. I don’t know if that counts as an FTL feat or not, though, but it is an extreme speed feat.
@Mister Teal- What is it with you and elaborate forms of suicide?
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@Dr. Doctor- Faster-than-light, no, but it would at least be faster than 1/24th of a second. That’s the fastest the human eye can follow. I don’t know if Ed is known to perceive faster speeds than most people, but either way, it is indeed an extreme speed feat.
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However, I do actually see one way Alastor Moody might win. At the start of the fight Bradley would simply stand still, correct? Or would he start running around immediately?
As with all anime, CIS dictates a villain speech. So he might stand still for a few moments.
Depends really. If King Bradley knows he’s going to be in a fight, he’ll be doing his nutty Haemonculus speed. If not, I really don’t know.
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And CiS is factored out here I think.
@Soul
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It allows the “stompee” (victim) to flex some skill since they won’t last long. It just happens to be on themselves. Plus it’d be funny to watch in an actual fight.
I don’t really see how Moody can win this. Unless there is some spell we know he can use, Unbreakable Vows are already out due to “Outside Help”, and before much can happen, Bradley will have killed Moody.
Maybe Bradley will have one of his odd moments and give Moody a Watermelon before eviscerating him.
“As with all anime, CIS dictates a villain speech. So he might stand still for a few moments.”
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Bradley has only done that to announce he was back and that was only to raise morale for his forces. He then charges a squad of firing guys, killed them, them fucked up a tank.
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He seems more of a hurt first, insult later kind of guy.
“He seems more of a hurt first, insult later kind of guy.”
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That and his incredible speed makes for a very dead Auror.
I was just thinking, if Bradley chooses to stand still when the fight starts, rather than just ending it in a moment, Moody could transfigure him. There’s no visible projectile with transfigurations, so Bradley couldn’t deliberately dodge it. Even if he dashed forward, toward Moody, he would be hit by a transfiguration spell. Thoughts on this?
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According to this video, Bradley doesn’t run at completely ridiculous speeds. If Moody cast something at the start of the fight, it would only miss if Bradley chose to leap high into the air or strafe for some reason, which I don’t see him doing.
@Dr. Doctor
Then(no offense intended to the Ta’veren Trio from the Wheel of Time series, Rand, Mat and Perrin) why is the likes of the Ta’veren Trio from the Wheel of Time series allowed to maintain a degree of their luck, or for that matter why is(Stonehedge forgive me) Eragon, for that matter suddenly permitted to maintain it, for that matter?
The former 3 I could understand well enough if good reasonings are gathered, but the last one?
Methinks Starkiller vs Eragon should be along the lines of MegaMan Zero vs Copy X, sadly speaking. T_T ;_;
As for the luck potion working, all it’ll do is to NOT DIE FAST but actually provide a few minutes of an opening!
@Soul
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Not fast enough to do it. Not only does KB have the necessary movement speed to completely get out of the way, but he’s got the appropriate reaction time (hails of bullets, that faster-than-eye bit) to move before Moody even raises his wand or gestures.
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Ontop of all that, Bradley’s own allows him some form of prior knowledge (via precog or supernatual measurement/course recognition)
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Should be “Bradley’s own eye
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But all that’s for the “if Bradley stands still” starting scenario, which he has no CIS to do anyway.
Bradley would win hands down. Mad-Eye may be considered a badass in theory, but given the number of times he got his ass handed to him…Yeah.
“According to this video, Bradley doesn’t run at completely ridiculous speeds.”
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Seems he can in short burst. Lan Fan who just about or faster then Edward was barely able to react to him climbing from the ground up a telephone poll to get to here
www.mangareader.net/116-5231-44/full-metal-alchemist/chapter-45.html
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Happened similar in the anime as well
vimeo.com/9196622
Also the 2nd part of the video the falling debris was seemed to be slow when he to hop through it.
“Also the 2nd part of the video the falling debris was seemed to be slow when he to hop through it.”
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Also the 2nd part of the video, the falling debris seemed to be slow when he was hopping through it.
“Ontop of all that, Bradley’s own allows him some form of prior knowledge (via precog or supernatual measurement/course recognition)”
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I thought the Ultimate Eye allows one to predict what would happen next, based on what they saw.
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That was how Buccaneer (spelling?) managed to hit Bradley. By stabbing the King through Fu, he wasn’t able to predict that it would happen.
In other words, Bradley didn’t see it coming.
@Cross:
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Luck is unquantifiable, how can we say “Samus was about to hit the Chief, but his luck was too good and he dodged, managing a killing hit on Samus with one bullet?” is any different from “He found a quarter before the match” as lucky?
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It really comes down to reaction time. Bradley is fast, and we discussed how speed should not be the only deciding factor, but here? Moody needs speed feats to be on Bradley’s level right now. He has no endurance feats or anything of the sort.
Spells require eye contact, does that work when the target is moving faster than the eye?
“Spells require eye contact,”
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When was this stated?
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Moody doesn’t need speed feats, he needs reaction time feats.
First movie, with Snape. That’s why they thought it was Snape causing weird things during the Quidditch match, because he had his eye on Potter the entire time.
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Quirrel: “No, dear boy. I tried to kill you! And trust me, if Snape’s cloak hadn’t caught fire and broken my eye contact, I would have succeeded. Even with Snape muttering his little counter-curse.”
” thought the Ultimate Eye allows one to predict what would happen next, based on what they saw.”
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Dunno, that’s why I said both things based on what Crimson and the other eye-guy mentioned.
Not all spells require eye contact though. Reducto can be used on inanimate and living objects alike, it doesn’t need eye contact. Lumos can be cast without eye contact.
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When you think about it, Reducto can have almost the same effect as Avada Kedavra, provided it’s aimed at the head or heart. So why did the wizards decide to create the Avada Kedavra when Reducto would have worked just fine? Aside from the obvious no evidence left behind?
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And what is the difference between Diffindo and Reducto? Both tear apart objects, and so for a human…
Just spell feats from the spells Moody has done, if he’s looked at someone while doing a particular spell — there you go for that spell. And likewise if he’s done an eyes closed or line of sight wizard-attack, then he’s got no-sight shots with that move.
Obstacles obstructing his vision do block his precog, and he has openly admitted due to his aging body that he is sometimes unable to keep up with the ability, it is so powerful.
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However, that is removed since they are both in their prime.
“First movie, with Snape. That’s why they thought it was Snape causing weird things during the Quidditch match, because he had his eye on Potter the entire time.”
-Those were wandless spells being “woven” to certain effect; the principle is the same as pushing on an object, only this time the arms were eyes, if you get my meaning. Most spells require no eye contact whatsoever.
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“Not only does KB have the necessary movement speed to completely get out of the way, but he’s got the appropriate reaction time (hails of bullets, that faster-than-eye bit) to move before Moody even raises his wand or gestures.”
-This is true, but that’s why I asked if he would attack immediately. To settle this, we just need to know how far apart the combatants start out.
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Alastor could potentially apparate away, since that is an instant effect requiring only thought. With only general knowledge, Moody would know to get as far away from Bradley as possible. With such a huge battlefield, he would have plenty of room to maneuver. Sure, Bradley can move very fast, but hi run speed seems to be more limited. I’m not sure, but if he can survive the start of the battle, he could turn it in his favor.
Feats of Moody’s apparating, and feats of the particular no-sight spells. And Man can fill in the start of distance bit as well.
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Also, what kind of field obstacles are in place?
They start fifty meters from each other, at the center of the arena.
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The arena is one hundred square meters in area.
@Doctor
‘Luck is unquantifiable, how can we say “Samus was about to hit the Chief, but his luck was too good and he dodged, managing a killing hit on Samus with one bullet?” is any different from “He found a quarter before the match” as lucky?
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That would be like trying to say ‘Jason of CHB was about to get Eragon, but Eragon’s luck was just too much and he dodges, getting Jason decapitated with one sword-swing,’ All over again, wouldn’t it? ;_;
I fear that if Ginny vs Atoli has to be posted up, that the efforts to make sure its anywhere NEAR worthwhile-dom will be in shreds, to be frank!
At least Mad-Eye has his Magic Eye, right?
What does his magic eye do?
@Dr. Doctor
If anyone played Legend of Zelda, OoT, M.M or W.W, compare that Magic Eye(and contrast it as well) to the powers of the Lens of Truth, remove the Lens of Truth’s need for a Magic Meter since Potter-world residents canonically have a Canon!-unlimited Magic Score in addition to being the Magic equivalents of the .hack-verse’s Adept Rogue classes, and this pretty much begins to sum up what is the eye for.
The bonuses is that the eye itself can see through just about anything, even the back of the head of Mad-Eye himself, in fact.
I can’t find any apparating feats of Moody, is it a book only instance with him or what?
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Eye isn’t doing much in this fight except maybe get cut out and stepped on.
“I can’t find any apparating feats of Moody, is it a book only instance with him or what?”
-It is so. I don’t have the books at this time, and am thus unable to provide any quotes. Apparation is an ability that pretty much all adult wizards make use of, however, and if you want an example of it, take a look at various moments in the last two Harry Potter movies.
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Can anyone find a clip from the films of someone apparating?
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“feats of the particular no-sight spells.”
-None of the spells require sight save the particular curse and countercurse from the first movie.