Suggested by sgtNACHO
Master Chief falls into Jabba’s Rancor pit.
He has only his Mark VI armor, a combat knife, and an M6D Pistol (only one mag of Ammunition)
Jabba seemed to fix the large door in his pit because it will no longer fall down on his pretty rancor.
Star Wars EU is usable.
What transpires?
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Hmm, aren’t Rancors durable enough to withstand blaster bolts with ease?
If so im fairly certain an MD-6 will be of little effect
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Meh, then again i don’t know much about Rancors except that they were fun to play as in Empire at War: Forces of Corruption
MC will need to think on his feet.
I envision he will be running circles around Rancor, wherein he will try and find an opening to fire in.
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If MC is a good enough shot, he will try and attack the eyes, leaving Rancor to trash around in pain and agony until the monster is exhausted, and MC will jab repeatedly at it until it dies of blood loss.
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If that won’t happen, I see MC shooting the mouth, towards the more vulnerable spots and directly into the brain.
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Once he is out of ammo, MC will have no choice but to move to close combat. I have no idea how fast Rancor moves, but I will assume that MC will utilize counter-attacks very often. At the very last moment Rancor attacks, MC will dodge and attack. Rinse and repeat until Rancor dies of blood loss or MC collapses out of exhaustion.
Well this is interesting. One thing I see playing a key role is if the Rancor is from Dathomir or one of the other planets they ended up being taken to, Jabba’s original was from Dathomir. If the Rancor is from Dathomir it is possibly semi sentient and a bit more intelligent, however if not then its more of a wild beast like those encountered in the first Force Unleashed game. Rancor skin is tough enough to deflect blaster bolts, but depending on the power of the weapon MC is using, I don’t know enough about the games to say for sure, they may have the penetrating power. I’ll wait for more evidence but right now it looks like this will be a matter of will MC cause it to die of blood loss first or will he pass out from exhaustion and become a snack for the Rancor
We don’t know if the Rancor’s skin is as bullet proof as it is blaster proof. You have to defend in two entirely different ways.. but it doesn’t matter. An animal as large as the Rancor is for all intents and purposes bullet proof due to sheer mass. You need some very high powered weaponry to bring one down. You’d have a hard time with an M16 even in a situation like this. So.. How will this end? Probably like the novel Meg did. In that story the protagonist was swallowed whole by an enormous megalodon. He used a KNIFE to cut through it’s stomach.. and then he actually went for the heart before trying to carve his way entirely out of the animal.
another thing, though I’m assuming it is just a generic Rancor, there are subspecies and occasional mutations that cause differences in apperance and size etc. like the Bull Rancor of Force Unleashed. Since this would be post other Rancor being killed by Luke I’m assuming Jabba had to import a new one and may or may not have managed to get a hold of a rarer mutation. of course its up to the OP so I’ll let him elaborate if I’m not mistaken. If I am though this may be a mute point.
@ Sauro
How much is Rancor’s bite force?
Or does he simply swallow his victims?
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If it’s the latter I can really say it will go down like you described, MC gets eaten (voluntarily or not it does not matter), and he kills it from the inside.
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I’m pretty sure MC is smart enough to realize that if bullets (or knives) don’t work the thing to do is attack it from the inside.
@Sauroposeidon
One big difference between this and Meg though. To a Megalodon a human is the size of a mint. The size difference here is closer to that of Kratos and a Cyclops, the Rancor is big, but its not swallowing MC whole. more than likely, the average Rancor is 5-10 meters or 16-32 feet tall at adult ages. A 5 meter Rancor can weigh about1,650 Kilograms give or take so they are pretty massive at more than 3600 pounds. As I said there is a major size difference but I don’t know if MC will be able to do like the guy the Megaladon tried
I take it back it may be possible, I read up on Megalodon again and they are believed to have been around 16 meters or 52 feet, we may have a way for MC to pull it off, assuming the Rancor swallows him whole.
@ G.A
Then I can imagine Rancor getting a hold of MC, and trying to eat him, but with the armor it’s not going to be easy. This will give MC time to stab his combat knife or fire some rounds into Rancor’s throat.
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The result would either be a shocked Rancor that would drop MC and give the soldier time to unleash a barrage of attacks. Or bite the man completely in half.
@Hermit
I honestly can’t recal if Rancor’s bite their prey in half or not, I think I recal scenes of them doing this but I won’t put money on it. Plus we’d have to account for MC’s armor, even a massive beast like a Rancor may have trouble biting through it depending on the material, I’m assuming highly durable metal but again I don’t know enough about the series to say one way or another. As for stabbing its eye that will most likely make it drop him, usually it takes more than just a lightsaber to the eye for Starkiller to kill them but thats gameplay so grain of salt needs to be taken most likely. Assuming that is somehow accurate the most MC would do is blind the one eye depending on how fact he could strike and if he managed to hold onto the knife while being dropped.
@ G.A
Can’t he just fire on the eyes from afar, I mean he does have a gun.
Also you were asking about the bite force earlier, I don’t have a definite number but Rancor’s are in universe classified as reptomammals as they are warm blooded but their young hatch from eggs and don’t nurse. They are relatively in the Tyranasaurus ballpark of size, Trex is 42 feet long and 13 feet tall at the hip and weighs an estimated 6.8 metric tons, so bite force could be similar to that assuming Trex was a predator and not as some believe a scavanger. Of course thats speculation based on a vague size and species reference of a fictional beast compared to a historical beast that we can’t actual measure the abilities of.
@Hermit
That is a posibility as well, however that still may or may not kill it. If it does the fight ends there, if not then MC now has a blind pissed off Rancor to deal with that may have an accute sense of smell or not, they really don’t explain its senses much that I recall
Ah, it if’s a T-Rex, then they should be able to exert a bite force of up to 3000 pounds.
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news.stanford.edu/pr/96/960827tyrexbite.html
I think the rancor would win mainly because chief has an awful pistol and a knife…can’t we give him a Gauss Rifle?
Didn’t they also have a Mutated Rancor in Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy?
@Hermit
okay so we’ll guestemate the Rancor bite force as around 3000 pounds of bite force. Assuming the Rancor bites MC with everything its got would it be enough to get through his armor or would it just shatter his bones? Though even without getting through his armor depending on the location the Rancor may cuase the right bones to break and puncture organs, not a pretty way to go, though MC may be more durable than your average human so he may not get any broken bones
@ G.A
So how much force can MC’s armor, and his shields, can take?
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And then there’s the fact that MC can stab his knife into Rancor’s mouth before the thing can bite him. Or else jab the eyes.
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Or a Wet Willy.
Blaster bolts ricochet off a lot of different surfaces, so saying its skin is blaster proof isn’t quite useable. However, where was its skin shown to bounce off? Until I know this, I have no way in determining whether the M6D will punch through its skin.
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The Rancor had trouble crushing an femur bone with his jaw. The femur is the strongest bone in the Human body. It would take over 20,000 psi to break the femur bone like it did. It did struggle with the bone, so the total power of its bite is probably not that much bigger. The tensile strength of pure comercial titanium is 63,000 psi. The Rancor will have a bit of difficulty biting through the armor. But since the Rancor swallows (giggity), that shouldn’t be too much of a problem.
@ Eric
No, it wouldn’t
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It would be a bigger problem, since MC would take it out from the inside.
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That is of course, if it’s gastric juices melt anything it comes into contact with.
@Dr. Twinky
even with a rifle depending on the caliber of the rounds it may still do little more than annoy the beast. Modern standard military rifles don’t have the oomph to take down a large creature like an elephant without either special ammo or several rounds to the heart region that manage to pierce something vital or in come cases very lucky marksmanship. Most large animals skin is thick enough to slow the rounds down. Thats why there are special rounds made specifically for large game animals like the elephant, back when it was legal to hunt them that is. Unless there’s evidence the rounds of any gun would pierce the Rancors hide and retain enough velocity to do any considerable damage then rifle or no MC will just annoy and enrage the Rancor. There’s also the matter of what kind of bone structures are in the way of vital organs, there are plenty of animals that have bones in the way of organs that can keep even standard military rounds from doing more than causing pain. A Rancor will probably be no different and the fact that MC has no idea as to the exact location of the Rancor’s heart lungs etc. his best bet for a quick kill shot is the brain or luck, and I’m going with luck since the skull of a Rancor would probably stop anything short of a 50 calibur bullet. If you can prove that the rifle in question or even the pistol can do anything at all to the Rancor without making the fight too onesided then I doubt the OP will add it. At the moment its a human with underequipped weaponry that may still be capable of killing the Rancor with the right amount of skill and luck vs a large predatory beast. Its hard to keep a human vs animal fight even under the best circumstances let alone a fight like this.
@ G.A
MC’s best bet would be a shot to the eyes.
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I wonder if this was made to be another MC spite match.
@Eric
we never said that it was the best comparison but its the one we have to work with. Plus as I stated above there are plenty of cases where standard military rounds still aren’t enough with large animals without serious pumping of lead or high enough caliber. Elephant rounds in our world were created for this reason, unless there’s proof of MC’s weapons having similar penetration on large animals we have to go with what is known.
As for the bite force thing, as we said thats a guestamite based on the size and predatory nature of the animal, yes it had trouble with that bone yes but we never said it would rip through MC’s armor either. I was just attempting to give a best guess based on what is known. And your right it does swallow, half a person at a time usually cause I am fairly certian I’ve seen it bite someone in one of the games that way. But its mute since the Rancor most likely can’t bite through MC’s armor. As for digestive juices, more than likely they won’t bother MC too much while he’s in there.
@Hermit
my sentiments exactly.
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I hope not, if it is I’m very annoyed because for every spite match posted thats one more great match we have to wait longer to get.
@ G.A
Unless the digestive juices seeps inside his armor (possibly being damaged from the fight befroe he was swallowed). Then it would be problem.
If this is a spite match, they picked the wrong opponent for MC, based on the current posts.
@G.A
The M6D fires a 12.7x40mm round. That is comparable to the S&W .500 (12.7x41mm) round. Plus the rounds are armor-piercing and semi-HE. The force behind the round is about 2100-2800 Joules, a modern deer rifle – far out-does a modern military AR.
KE=1/2mv^2
1/2(350 grains)(430-500m/s^2)
1/2(.02267kg)(430-500m/s^2)
There’s an old story I’ve heard of a guy who shaved off the sights to his rifle. This fellow lived out in bear country. When people asked him why he did that, he said so it won’t hurt so much when the bear shoves the gun up his ass. Animals are amazingly difficult to kill after they reach a certain size. You DO NOT burst fire AR’s at elephants. You unload on them and hope it slows them down enough for you to get up a tree. There’s no reason to think anything MC has here will do much damage to the Rancor.
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The Rancor does not have T-Rex biting strength. The thing cracks through bones of animals like Triceratops. Rancor had problems with a human femur as previously stated. It’s primary prey is a faamba-like animal called the malkloc, introduced in Star Wars Galaxies. Their primary kill weapon is their claws. Those enormous arms are good for grabbing and slashing. They hunt similarly to wolves, using their jaws instead of their jaws to wear down their prey. We can tell this because their claws are not large enough to inflict the “quick kill” and their jaws are not equipped to deliver this either. This puts them in the similar hunting range of Raptors (presumably) and Dogs. You can tell a lot about an animal from its body structure. With out a quick kill mechanism this implies the animal has a lot of stamina to go with its intelligence and coordination.. but isn’t a power house for its size. This will mean the animal is likely quick and nimble for its size as well, since it relies on wearing down much larger prey items who can cause considerable damage.
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Jabba’s Rancor spent most of its life in the pit, and was a retarded blood lusting monster in comparison to other Rancors because of this. I think this is actual canon to explain why it was so stupid in the movie but other Rancors are depicted as intelligent. Animals teach culture the same way we do, they pass on hunting techniques and everything through teaching when they live in social groups. With out a family it’s no surprise that he grew up being the rough equivalent of evil Tarzan.
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So here’s what we know. The Rancor has experience as a pit fighter, but not a hunter. It relies on its size instead of intelligence and swiftness. It’s fairly mobile for an animal of its size but not strong enough to break through MC’s armor with any ease. It is NOT equipped with the bite of a T-Rex, which is HEAVILY specialized and possesses a bite force even other super theropods can not match. MC on the other hand possesses no weapons which can deal any significant damage to the monster. He can shoot or stab the eyes once he realizes his bullets are doing jack-all anywhere else… this may help him towards earning the win but it won’t actually GET him the win. He could supposedly reach his arm through the eye socket and stab the brain directly, though. Or shoot it. I imagine the bullet will do a lot of bouncing around if it gets in through the eye since it can’t punch through the skull. Kind of like what happens to knights in plate armor once shot >=D .
Using their claws instead of their jaws*
What we’re also forgetting is how much stronger Chief is than a normal human. Say the rancor grabs chief and tries to bite, Chief might be able to hold open the thing’s mouth-and if he gets a good position, he might be able to force the jaw wider than it can go and break it. Even if he couldn’t do that, a punch to the rancor’s teeth or eye is going to startle it at the very least.
A balanced match.
@ G.B.
MC has a combat knife.
He will either rip the jaw apart or slash/stab the mouth.
And we are also forgetting that Halo weapons are alot higher caliber than the ones we use today. After a minimal amount of research i have discovered that:
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The mag is 12 rounds, and the ammo is 12.7x40mm M225 Semi-Armor-Piercing High-Explosive rounds (what that really means i dont know.) but i think that these realistically might be able to pierce a Rancor
“Jabba seemed to fix the large door in his pit because it will no longer fall down on his pretty rancor.”
Well then MC is screwed because a Rancor’s only natural predators are falling metal doors.
@Sauro
My mistake on the biteforce part then. I agree though MC will be better off if he shoots the eyes and maybe hits the brain. Though since there is now apparent evidence he may be able to kill it with his gun
Master Chief can just run in circles around the rancor til it gets dizzy and trips. Then he just climbs onto it and goes legolas on it. Chief is nigh superhuman in regards to speed and strength, thanks to his augmentations.
A rancor isn’t too much of a problem for him.
The thing is Rancors aren’t always as slow as the one Luke faced which had been in a pit for years though and this new Rancor could be fresh from the jungles of another world, they are also quite a bit quicker than their size suggests period, and in many cases smarter than they look, again it depends on how long this new Rancor has been in captivity though.
M6D… That’s the Halo CE model, right? If so, shooting out the eyes will be relatively easy. I think MC may have a chance in this due to the fact that he’s pretty damn fast and (if memory serves) rancors…. aren’t.
@GA
It’s still JABBAs rancor. It says so. So it is slow as shit.
@GuardianAngle1911
Ummm…unless I’m mistaken, one of the augmentations SPARTANS had to undergo was a process that reinforced their bones with a very strong kind of ceramic material, so what would be “bone-crushing” for a normal person would not neccessarily be so for him. Just putting that little tid-bit at there.
It says Jabba’s Rancor PIT. We all know the first one was killed by Luke. So that brings back the question of how long this bad boy’s been in captivity.
Unless this takes place before episode 6.
@Dr.Doctor
Given the chronal powers of Uber-Mercer, this fight taking place before Episode Six isn’t actually a stretch.
Forgive me, but who’s Uber-Mercer?
Master Chief vs King Kong… NAO!
Wouldn’t the rancor react more like an enraged ape than a pac man? just saying the beast would have more on its mind than ‘eat green thing’. especially when said green thing starts to annoy it with small arms fire. MC wouldn’t stand very long for that kind of punishment armour or no, pure trauma would turn his organs to soup. Rancor stomps.
“pure trauma would turn his organs to soup.”
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Your saying this to the guy who survives the impact of a 2+ km fall going through his body. Will the rancor even be able to get through those energy shields or catch him?
(keep in mind the shields protected him from 50mm auto-cannon rounds)
MC could just have the rancor charge at him. MC would just sidestep away. Then the Rancor gets dizzy falls over and MC shoots it in the eye rapidly.
True, but can he escape from the clutches of a rancor? is he strong enough? i don’t really know (don’t know enough feats for either here, im working on logic) but if he can’t then its a matter of time before armour systems fail/break and then MC own organic systems cease to function, hell even a space marine could be killed like this (and we all know how OP 40k is) . As for catching him, even MC would make mistakes eventually and death via wasp sting(small knife and pistol) will take a long time and the result of one slip up could be fatal. If anyone wants to prove me wrong go ahead, if you can then this fight might be interesting after all
@Dr. Doctor
Uber-Mercer is a version of Alex Mercer created by my friend Hob the Robot on FF.Net. He is essentially the original Mercer who was granted the ability to warp across time and space at will by one of the Abosolutes of Reality and has thusly spent countless Millennia wandering around the Multiverse, adapting and changing to essentially become what most lesser being would refer to as a “GOD.” Though the exact limits of his power are unknown, he has been shown to take characters that interest him from one or more Universe and send them into different universes for his own purposes (MOSTLY entertainment). So him taking the chief and dropping him into jabbas hutt BEFORE the events of Episode 6 wouldn’t be a stretch in regards to Mercer.
that was @sgt combine btw
@jhud because no, real fights dont work light that and even a ‘dumb’ predator learns. won’t work more than once.
@AngelForge:
The Master Chief, in full Mjinor MKV or greater can lift a little over 2400 pounds. As a 14 year old kid without such armor, he fought four highly trained ODST’s (The UNSC Spec ops), killed two of them, and seriously injured the other two.
@vender guy
thats more like it, actual stats, okay so 2400 lb lift, thats about the max lift for an industrial forlift truck so not bad a rancor would have to be putting out some serious strenght feats to beat that. Anyone got any idea where we can get them from? I am not going to take it on face value of a no stat = MC win, either we get a stat or it impossiable to tell.
what about stamina? anyone got any stamina feats for the big green meanie?
please forgive bad spelling and grammer btw.
@AngelForge
I’m unsure about stamina, but while testing out the MK V, the chief was able to achieve and maintain speeds of 55 miles per hour (or 55 kilometers an hour, I’m unsure which) before one of his tendons finally snapped under the pressure.
I don’t,know about strength feats, in Force Unleashed they could lift boulders and small ship debris. How much those items weighed I can’t say.
@VunderGuy
It was 107 km/h where he broke his tendons, but he didn’t care and kept running. Lifting 2400 pounds is pretty low end, around his teenage years when he first got Mjoulnir armor.
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@AngelForge
The Rancor can’t grab Chief while his shields are up, his going to have to pin him in a corner or something and beat him til the shields break, though I still haven’t seen anything to suggest the Rancor is fast enough to catch Chief. I think I’ll take a look at the Wookipedia and see if they have anything useful.
thats what i feared… inconclusive argument is inconclusive.
But thats not the end by a long shot, i think we would have MC collapse from exhaustion even before he got close to killing this thing, and don’t they have some for of regen or something? or is that one of the mutants?
Overall what i thought may be a good fight has turned into a right squig-fest… I am dissapoint.
btw im not taking any sides just want a conclusive argument based on canonical facts rather than bias. Hell to be Honest ‘they continue fighting for months then both keel over with heart failure’ seems to be an honest to god possiable ending to this fight at the moment.
@SgCombine: “Lifting 2400 pounds is pretty low end, around his teenage years when he first got Mjoulnir armor.”
Well, I took the information that SPARTANS can lift three times their own body weight, Johns Body Weight ( a little over 400 pounds), and the fact that Mjonir armor increases strength by a factor of 2, and thus arrived at a little over 2400 pounds. Unless you can prove otherwise, that seems to be the maxiumum of his lifting capacity.
On a semi-related note, what was your stance on the Master Chief vs. Commander Shepard tussle?
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After looking over the information on Halonation once again, I found out that John’s weight is 390. So 390 times 3 times 2 equals 2340 pounds.
halo.wikia.com/wiki/John-117#cite_note-Bestiarum-0
halo.wikia.com/wiki/SPARTAN-II_augmentation_procedures#Results
halo.wikia.com/wiki/MJOLNIR_Powered_Assault_Armor/Mark_VI#Introduction
well that seems better, so just under the normal maximum load of a forklift.
still not getting anywhere without something to compare it to from the rancor (even the dreaded wikis seem to have nothing)
as for master chief Vs Sheapard? will have to have a look… though my money is on MC
Seriously, WHAT TYPE OF RANCOR!?!? There’s a normal, 5-10 meters; a Tyrant Rancor, twice as big; an amphibious, smaller one called the Tra’cor; the Bull Rancor which has horns, pale skin, a longer tail, and is much stronger. Then there are Sith Mutated ones, like the Jungle Rancor, which has spikes all over its body and a much larger and more powerful mouth.
okay, didn’t know there was that many… guess it needs Admin to clarify.
No it doesn’t. It’s a Rancor. Plain and simple. Not a Tyrant Rancor or else it would have been a Tyrant Rancor vs Master Chief. Not a Jungle rancor or else it would have been a Jungle Rancor vs Master Chief. Not a Sith Mutant, not a Bull, and not a Tra’cor.
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Think people! It’s a fucking Rancor. Plain. Simple. Base. It’s the one form the movie! It even says “[Jabba's] pretty Rancor”.
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Seriously, how the fuck is this not understood?
wow touchy…
it was a legitimate question, but going on the it’s a rancor argument does anyone have any strength stats for one? or even feats? and by that i mean more than can lift a rock…i can lift a rock for goodness sake…
@AngelForge
While I dont know any feats for the Rancor, I know that someone earlier in this debate said that a rancor weighed 3400 pounds or some such.
well that kinda answers that doesn’t it, MC can escape. So basically it’s whoever runs out of stamina first is proverbial dust.
No clear winner, i say its a draw, unless someone can prove otherwise…
@AngelForge
According to 1911:
“GuardianAngel1911February 3, 2012 at 8:52 am – #7
@Sauroposeidon
One big difference between this and Meg though. To a Megalodon a human is the size of a mint. The size difference here is closer to that of Kratos and a Cyclops, the Rancor is big, but its not swallowing MC whole. more than likely, the average Rancor is 5-10 meters or 16-32 feet tall at adult ages. A 5 meter Rancor can weigh about1,650 Kilograms give or take so they are pretty massive at more than 3600 pounds. As I said there is a major size difference but I don’t know if MC will be able to do like the guy the Megaladon tried”
So no MC cant even do the cut his way out thing as the Rancor can’t swallow him whole. I thought The movie rancor was huge?
Yay another of my matches is posted. My ability to be tickled pink is most excited.
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Furthermore.
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This is Jabba’s rancor, however he is at peak performance. So it’s the same Rancor, but he does not have years of sitting in a cage getting fat on Gammorean Bacon.
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The M6 Pistol fires 50 caliber rounds that has some armor piercing capabilities (likely Kevlar type armor I’d assume) and does have an explosive inside. Not sure if the explosive goes off after it makes contact or directly on contact. The first would be MUCH more effective, the second not so much.
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Also, this isn’t a spite match for either side, I’m not in the business of creating spite matches. Especially not against Halo, which is one of my favorite universes. However I felt this match to be rather even and so far that seems to be the case.
Here is a video of the Rancor w/ the JAWS theme for idk why
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=88sGmZvzdaA
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@sgtNACHO
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The M6D’s rounds are on a delayed fuse.
” The Master Chief, in full Mjinor MKV or greater can lift a little over 2400 pounds”
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MC can lift 3x his body mass without armor. He weighs 200kg. Thus, he can lift 1,300lbs.
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” what about stamina? anyone got any stamina feats for the big green meanie?”
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No stamina, but endurance – he fought for days straight on Halo, then took over a Covenant flag ship, then fought the Covenant on Reach, then led a black ops strike against the Covenant command and control station.
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” The Rancor can’t grab Chief while his shields are up”
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Proof? The Gravemind wrapped a single tentacle around the chief with no effort.
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” and the fact that Mjonir armor increases strength by a factor of 2″
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Proof? And not a wiki.
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” wow touchy… it was a legitimate question”
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No it wasn’t.
“Proof? The Gravemind wrapped a single tentacle around the chief with no effort.”
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No, that came out wrong, I meant his shields are slippery (FoR) and the rancor might have trouble grabbing him, but on second thought the Rancors hands are so frickin big it might not be an issue.
” No, that came out wrong, I meant his shields are slippery (FoR) and the rancor might have trouble grabbing him, but on second thought the Rancors hands are so frickin big it might not be an issue.”
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I don’t see the shields being much of an issue. A Brute grabbed MC by the throat and pinned him against the wall with very little effort in First Strike.
“But thats not the end by a long shot, i think we would have MC collapse from exhaustion even before he got close to killing this thing”
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MC fought for multiple days continuesly against both Covenant and Flood forces. Then he continued to fight the Covenant by hijacking a flagship. Without any pause in between, he took that Flagship to Reach and saved his fellow SPARTANs. Halesy asked how he was doing, and he said fine. When she reviewed his activity, he had gone through at least a week without any rest.
I don’t think Chief will be collapisng of exhaustion any time soon….
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“don’t see the shields being much of an issue. A Brute grabbed MC by the throat and pinned him against the wall with very little effort in First Strike.”
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MC USED the “slippery” quality of his shields to escape the Brute’s hold (It was on top of him beating out his shields while trying to choke him).
“Hmm, aren’t Rancors durable enough to withstand blaster bolts with ease?”
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Heat energy=/=kinetic energy impacts.
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“Ah, it if’s a T-Rex, then they should be able to exert a bite force of up to 3000 pounds.”
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Pounds…? I would think that’d need to be PSI… HUGE difference.
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“I think the rancor would win mainly because chief has an awful pistol and a knife…can’t we give him a Gauss Rifle?”
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Too much of an advantage.
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“The tensile strength of pure comercial titanium is 63,000 psi. ”
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I’m not sure how to translate the 5-7 megajoule (minimum) shield strength (to kinetic impacts) to PSI for this one.
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“@AngelForge
I’m unsure about stamina, but while testing out the MK V, the chief was able to achieve and maintain speeds of 55 miles per hour (or 55 kilometers an hour, I’m unsure which) before one of his tendons finally snapped under the pressure.”
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km/h.
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“It was 107 km/h where he broke his tendons, but he didn’t care and kept running.”
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Since when?
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“No it doesn’t. It’s a Rancor. Plain and simple. Not a Tyrant Rancor or else it would have been a Tyrant Rancor vs Master Chief. Not a Jungle rancor or else it would have been a Jungle Rancor vs Master Chief. Not a Sith Mutant, not a Bull, and not a Tra’cor.
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Think people! It’s a fucking Rancor. Plain. Simple. Base. It’s the one form the movie! It even says “[Jabba's] pretty Rancor”.
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Seriously, how the fuck is this not understood?”
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Exactly.
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When his tendon snapped he was going 107 km/h. That was determined from the gap he covered while fleeing the SkyHawk Jet in Mark V armor. In Mark VI armor, he may actually be able to sustain it for 10-20 seconds.
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Even out of armor, Chief could run at 50 km/h, so in MJOLNIR it would be higher for a max sprint speed.
” I’m not sure how to translate the 5-7 megajoule (minimum) shield strength (to kinetic impacts) to PSI for this one.”
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You would have to find the total force of the rounds in Nm (newton meters), then convert that to psi.
I think you guys are forgetting how much power is in MC’s hands alone. He punches out concrete targets in FoR (I believe). Flatten his hand and lock the armour joints there like he did wrestling with the elite and you end up with a blade on the end of his hand when he punches forward. All the force the Mjolnir armour can unleash in a punch concentrated on the tips of 4 fingers, the PSI would be insane and probably sufficient to puncture the Rancor’s hide. Even aside from that, you realise the force carried by a running Spartan is stupidly high? At half a ton in armour going 50kph (or more) and the punch speed on top of that would utterly liquefy the Rancor’s brain from the KE shockwave transferred to it from the impact, even if the skull remained intact, which seems unlikely.
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Forgetting about all that, the Rancor itself will find it difficult to first off hit the chief due to Spartan speeds. It’s bite force is too weak to pierce the armour, and that’s ignoring the shields. The chiefs knife may not do much damage each cut, but a few dozen 3-4inch deep slashes will eventually cause the Rancor to bleed out. Then as everyone mentioned the eyes and other vulnerable points, you also have a 7inch combat knife that can be driven into pretty much any point of the Rancor. Being able to punch concrete to pieces means the rancors skull will not stop it unless we’re talking bone 7+inchs thick, which is also a kill.
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I can’t really think of any method of the Rancor attacking effectively that doesn’t also allow MC to go to town on it; and it isn’t exactly a grand strategist to begin with.
” It’s bite force is too weak to pierce the armour, and that’s ignoring the shields.”
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^^^ This.
How strong is Rancor compared to the Chief?
I like my stratagy better.
MC for FPA
GuardianAngel1911,
“Modern standard military rifles don’t have the oomph to take down a large creature like an elephant….”
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Not that this matters at all, but elephants can be killed rather easily in only one shot with a pistol. Not trying to prove anything, just interesting.
“Not that this matters at all, but elephants can be killed rather easily in only one shot with a pistol. Not trying to prove anything, just interesting.”
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Hell, there were tribes that killed elephants with a single spear thrust.
” Even aside from that, you realise the force carried by a running Spartan is stupidly high? At half a ton in armour going 50kph (or more) and the punch speed on top of that would utterly liquefy the Rancor’s brain from the KE shockwave transferred to it from the impact, even if the skull remained intact, which seems unlikely.”
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To better imagine this statement, picture what would happen if someone punched you with all the force of a small car going 50kph or more.
It continually amuses me that only by pitting the very best of Halo (a SPARTAN) against the very worst of Star Wars (some random wild beast in a trapdoor) do we get something resembling a fair fight.
“Not that this matters at all, but elephants can be killed rather easily in only one shot with a pistol. Not trying to prove anything, just interesting.”
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Except it’s like a video game boss. You must know exactly where to hit. The most ideal spot to strike on an elephant is the throat. If you’re lucky a single high powered bullet might hit something REALLY important instead of getting stuck in the dense muscle tissue or bouncing off a bone or something but firing (or stabbing) at an Elephant like you would a human will get you killed reeeeally really fast. Much smaller animals like Lions and Bears KILL people who fail to deliver the shot to just the right place. You can plug away all you like at large animals but it won’t do you any more good than shooting at a tank with the same gun if you don’t know the exact right spot to do it. This is why we have special weapons for animals of Rancor size. Master Chief’s pistol will likely do jack all at first. He’ll need to go for a vital organ to bring this monster down.. but due to the actual build of the Rancor I fail to see how it will get past his shields. So.. +1 Master Chief for the award. Can’t believe I just typed that.
Actually Rancors are armored and quick. They’re massive enough to be a serious threat to most humanoids. They’re able to barrel through formations of soldiers and murder just about everyone in it. They’re very resilient, durable bastards with a lot of stamina. There’s no reason to think they’re the absolute worst. For that you’d need Storm Troopers or Battle Droids..
He’s actually able to lift a 3.5 ton vehicle (flipping the tank is a game mechanic apparently), full sprints at around 50 mph or so and weighs about as much as a small car (approx. 1390 lbs with armor).
The rancor weighing in a 100 or so pounds over the warthog gives MC a pretty go strength feet whether the beast is stronger or not it’s defiantly slower than the Chief.
And like Cananatra said, if he flattens his hand hand out and thrusts is forward at full sprint all that power in one place on the rancor will cause the missing of limbs for the monstrosity.
And I don’t see the Rancor being able to hurt MC at all what with the armor he’s wearing being made of star-ship grade metal and able to soften a blow from high falls (a form of armor lock is required to jump from space).
If think this was supposed to a match that MC has a chance at winning in and turned out to be a slightly stomp-ish in nature.
The rancor can get through the armor.. if it manages to grab him and smash him in to a rock repeatedly or something like that. But Chief counters to this.
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Rancor probably weighs in around 5-8 tons. maybe 10 tons max. They’re quicker animals though so I suspect it’s closer to 7ish tons. I know there’s stats out there but I haven’t checked as of late.
@Sauro
The Wookieepedia claims “1,650 kilograms (5-meter specimen)” but the bigger ones can get to 10 meters tall I think.
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starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rancor
“The Wookieepedia claims “1,650 kilograms (5-meter specimen)” but the bigger ones can get to 10 meters tall I think”
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That’s actually surprisingly light.
“To better imagine this statement, picture what would happen if someone punched you with all the force of a small car going 50kph or more.”
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An even better analogy is if someone put a spear on the end of the car and rammed you with it.
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“Actually Rancors are armored and quick. They’re massive enough to be a serious threat to most humanoids. They’re able to barrel through formations of soldiers and murder just about everyone in it. They’re very resilient, durable bastards with a lot of stamina. There’s no reason to think they’re the absolute worst. For that you’d need Storm Troopers or Battle Droids..”
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Agreed. Rancor vs Stormtrooper, the stormtrooper isn’t coming out on top. Though for worst I’d probably go with rebels (don’t wear armor), sand raiders, or Gungans. I guess there’s also the Naboo rent-a-cops (I mean seriously you got problems if you’re enlisting the GUNGANS to do your fighting for you) or Hutts without allies (admit it, you want to see someone going to town on their fat asses). I’d also be vaguely interested in grunts vs ewoks…
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“The Wookieepedia claims “1,650 kilograms (5-meter specimen)” but the bigger ones can get to 10 meters tall I think.”
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Given how cramped the 5 meter rancor was, I don’t think a 10 meter rancor would even fit in the arena. The number seems a little low though. The thing looks vaguely like a gorilla except 3 times as tall, so you’d expect it to weigh about 25 times as much. It SHOULD weigh at least 4,000 kilos.
“I’d also be vaguely interested in grunts vs ewoks…”
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www.factpile.com/5318-grunts-vs-ewoks/
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Another wish granted by SgCombine :]
Though that match is a little of a stomp (I know, right? Grunts stomping something?). I do love grunts though. After Glasslands, I think I may start prefering them over the majority of Humans (Barring SPARTANs)
“Though that match is a little of a stomp (I know, right? Grunts stomping something?).”
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Grunts wons against Ewoks? Are you high?
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forums.spacebattles.com/showpost.php?p=4138552&postcount=15
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Just read that.
Do we HAVE to read a space battles post?