Suggested by StealthRanger
Making his debut on FactPile is Eldrad Ulthran from Warhammer 40K going up against Luke Skywalker from Star Wars.
Battle takes place on a neutral planet in an urban environment.
Both combatants get all their weapons and powers.
Who wins?
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Normally 40K steamrolls anything less than a comic book universe in their way.
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We’ll see how this one goes.
“Normally 40K steamrolls anything less than a comic book universe in their way.”
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So go suggest a 40k vs Manga match.
@Lieutenant
And for good measure, make dang sure its gonna be good!
Meantime, this fight may actually surprise us and be closer than we may all come to believe at 1st glance enough to be badass, for once!
StealthRanger wouldn’t suggest this fight for no good reason at all, would he?
Can we use the dark side Luke’s powers as well? When he served the Emperor?
@Sarge
We await StealthRanger’s response, 1st.
Ahh, Eldrad, the Elder version of humanity’s Creed, Tau’s Farsight, and Chaos’s Ahriman.
I personally think Eldrad might win this considering he did forsee Horus doing his heresy and actually did see the future of the Tau….
@sgtNACHO
Actually Luke is a master of the Unifying Force last I checked and has a power called emerald lightning which is a one shot force lightning attack. Due to the new philosophy of the Jedi post war with the Vong they are more lenient with dark side powers to a point as long as the Jedi is either in true need of defending the force or backed in a corner and no other options, or against an overwhelming opponent, on that note that would be Lukes most recent incarnation before joining with the force. Based on this I would presume that this is the version meant based on the image which is from the Dark Nest books taking place after the New Jedi Order series and the fact that unless otherwise stated the duel uses the most recent incarnation before death.
Well Eldrad got his ass handed to him by Fulgrim, hopefully Luke can do the same… (Though my gut tells me that won’t be happening… it also says that I should finish eating my lunch rather than typing this pointless post…)
Didn’t Eldrad fight Abaddon to a draw? In CQC?
“Didn’t Eldrad fight Abaddon to a draw? In CQC?”
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Never heard that one before, but then again I hate the Eldar so…
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The only time I’ve seen him in a book though (and I know he’s in a few others but of the ones I read) he got scared off by Fulgrim when they’re peace-talks didn’t quite go so well, although mostly to get to Eldrad Fulgrim had to defeat a Wraithlord and would’ve killed Eldrad. (For what its worth mentioning Eldrad then sicked the Avatar of Khaine on Fulgrim and Fulgrim beat it to death with his bare hands…)
Lukes got dat Emerald Lightning technique. Judging by the picture, the 40K guys has lightning too. But I’ve read Luke becomes a nigh unstoppable Force machine later on in the comics.
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I’ll back Luke.
I might sway towards Luke… But for now I choose Eldrad because his only real human rival as of now is Ahriman.
“Didn’t Eldrad fight Abaddon to a draw? In CQC?”
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Nope… he beat Abaddon in CQC. The chaos gods had to deus ex machina him out to save his life *cough* plot armor *cough*.
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For Luke I’ve *heard* that he turns into this godlike force monster in the EU but my recent experiences with Kratos have made me more skeptical about stuff I hear about… Anyone got any specifics?
id have to go with luke
@w00tm0ng3r
I wouldn’t say godlike force monster but he can channel the force into himself in order to enter force light mode which basically means the entirety of the force begins to pour into him. Its dangerous though because its infinite energy and if he doesn’t use it his body can be destroyed by the overloading energy. But basically in Force Light he can turn poison into water or make it nonexistent mess with just about anything on a molecular level. Its basically one step below merging with the force to be a force ghost. Anikan Solo used it but didn’t know it and his body couldn’t take the sheer amount of raw power. Jacen Solo also used it in order to defeat the true supreme overlord in the final days of the Vong war.
as for when Luke did it it happened during the battle in the Fallanassi village, when Abeloth had Luke in a deadly embrace, Luke opened himself to the Force as much as possible, drawing on his love for his son Ben, his lost wife Mara, and the entire Jedi Order. The Light Side rushed into him, his cells began to burst with power and his skin gave off a golden glow. Luke’s power apparently harmed Abeloth and Luke seized the moment by using the Force to bring down a ceiling beam onto Abeloth, then seemingly killed her with his lightsaber.
Luke has also shown to be able to use the force on the black holes generated by Dovin Basals and make them attack their own ship.
He has also mastered the “lightning rod” techniques which allows him during a storm to channel lightning and electromagnetic radiation through him and disable electronic implants with the blasts or hit the target in general. I’d have to look around a bit for his uses of it but for an example see what Starkiller did during the storm at the end of Force Unleashed 2 where he channels the lightning in order to defeat Darth Vader and disable his machine parts.
He can also use the Fold Space technique to teleport objects
Also apparently when he was on the Death Star with Vader he used a reversed form of Dun Möch, a Sith mental attack technique of attacking with verbal jeers and insults infused with hate etc to make the person doubt himself, to make Vader feel love etc. to turn back to the light side.
Thanks for posting my first suggestion ever Admin
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As for this match, while im not casting my vote, im leaning toward Luke. From what i’ve seen from him in the EU, he’s more powerful offensively from what i’ve seen of both. Now i may be massively underestimating Eldrad (as the only 40k material i own is the DoW series) but i honestly im leaning toward Luke. Not a stomp IMO, but a win for Luke
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But i’ll wait for the 40k geeks before i give my final judgement and my actual vote
“But i’ll wait for the 40k geeks before i give my final judgement and my actual vote”
You will NOT have to wait long, trust me.
“You will NOT have to wait long, trust me.”
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I meant ones like Dues Ex
Luke for the FP award, quickly, before the 40k fans get here.
“Luke for the FP award, quickly, before the 40k fans get here.”
Agreed. Better hurry, I heard a stampede a’comin’.
Don’t know them too much, but from Luke’s rep and what I do know of force users, I’m thinking he’ll force swing the other guy’s skull into a wall like Caligula’s baby. Although me being ignant of both could be making me under/overestimate either one.
Anyways, this being my fist match i’d appreciate it if people didn’t troll eachother here or try to make pointless SW canon debates, etc
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“Don’t know them too much, but from Luke’s rep and what I do know of force users, I’m thinking he’ll force swing the other guy’s skull into a wall like Caligula’s baby. Although me being ignant of both could be making me under/overestimate either one.”
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Eldrad’s one of the most powerful mortal guys in 40k. It wouldn’t be a stomp either way IMO
We’ll consider that a vote four Luke Mister Teal… Thank you, would you like an “I Voted” pin, or a bumper sticker?
I’d like to point out I’d never vote four times for someone, that’s ballot stuffing and I’ll have no part in it.
“Anyways, this being my fist match i’d appreciate it if people didn’t troll eachother here or try to make pointless SW canon debates, etc”
That’s asking too much. Wait ’till CIDE shows up.
“That’s asking too much. Wait ’till CIDE shows up.”
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Before that occurs, the EU is allowed for feats as long as its T or C Canon
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Hopefully that ends it
“I’d like to point out I’d never vote four times for someone, that’s ballot stuffing and I’ll have no part in it.”
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Fine, I’ll mark you down for one then…
Eldrad Ulthran wins this due to Luke being a emotionally stunted sister fucker.
“Before that occurs, the EU is allowed for feats as long as its T or C Canon
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Hopefully that ends it”
People will still find SOMETHING to bitch about. Star Wars downplayers always do…
Honestly, in all of the SW universe it’s pretty much luke, nihilus, and maybe one other dude that could even think about messing with uldrad, however, the comics made luke broken as fuck, he’s he equivalent of an alpha plus psyker right now, so I think him and uldrad would have a good match. I think it really comes down to who has the greatest feat though, so we can determine who has the most power. Can anyone give each of the competitors greatest achievements?
“Eldrad Ulthran wins this due to Luke being a emotionally stunted sister fucker.”
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Cool Story Bro…
Well i’ve heard Luke becomes uber in the EU and its been ages since i read any Dark Empire comics
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And im pretty sure Eldrad is above any Alpha+ level psyker given hes close to/equal to Ahriman of the Thousand Sons
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As for Eldrad im not sure since i only have DoW
@EMOboy
oh good grief is that seriously your only point? I don’t want to start an argument but please leave comments like that in the garbage next time. If you have some feats to show that Eldrad can take what I’ve shown Luke capable of dishing out then by all means show us said feats.
@Negative-Zero
Ain’t that the truth my friend, they just can’t debate it they have to dis Star Wars every step of the way.
@StealthRanger
Its an excellent match idea in my opinion and seems fairly evenly matched, though I’ll wait till the guys that know more of Eldrad start showing up and giving us feats and ACTUAL reasons he might be able to beat Luke.
“@StealthRanger
Its an excellent match idea in my opinion and seems fairly evenly matched, though I’ll wait till the guys that know more of Eldrad start showing up and giving us feats and ACTUAL reasons he might be able to beat Luke.”
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Im leaning toward (not voting for) Luke for now, but im waiting for some support for Eldrad
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And as my first thread, no trolling eachother or any other debates that would take it off topic! Thats to everyone here
I see this going down with both trying to out-precog each other for a few months before both dying of dehydration.
As for Eldrad im not sure since i only have DoW
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His description: “Chief amongst the Farseers of Ulthwé is Eldrad Ulthran. He has guided his Craftworld, indeed his entire race, along the twisting paths of fate, leading them safely past events that could have destroyed them all several times over. Unusual amongst Farseers, Eldrad has become more resilient and powerful over time, to such an extent that his psychic mastery has become legendary. None can match Eldrad’s phenomenal mental skill, and those that try invariably die in the process.”(GW)
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“Eldrad Ulthran wins this due to Luke being a emotionally stunted sister fucker.”
www.didicam.com/randomcrap/riveting.jpg
Go back to Trek fights boy.
@tau43
““Chief amongst the Farseers of Ulthwé is Eldrad Ulthran. He has guided his Craftworld, indeed his entire race, along the twisting paths of fate, leading them safely past events that could have destroyed them all several times over. Unusual amongst Farseers, Eldrad has become more resilient and powerful over time, to such an extent that his psychic mastery has become legendary. None can match Eldrad’s phenomenal mental skill, and those that try invariably die in the process.”(GW)”
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Thats pretty good and all, but what powers does he have. Being on par with Ahriman, shouldn’t be very hard to get powers
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And don’t feed the troll
@StealthRanger
Don’t worry I won’t start trouble with anyone, though you set this up very well so there shouldn’t be any. I only made the other above comment towards a certain poster because I didn’t want to see him causing trouble here, he seems to have put that here just to annoy us or get back at us for the other debate.
As for the match at hand I think Luke has a decent chance.
Go back to Trek fights boy.
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Sorry did mentioning fucking a family member touch a nerve?.
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Tell you what il not troll SW threads when the SDN tards and L-W fanboys stop trolling ST threads.
@GA1911
I never said you would, its just i want this thread to be clean of trolling
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As for the match, ’bout 50:50
@StealthRanger
Huh, is it just me or did an empty post appear after my last one?
As for tau43s evidence Luke had best avoid playing the mental game if he wants to win this one.
“Ain’t that the truth my friend, they just can’t debate it they have to dis Star Wars every step of the way.”
Yeah, I’ve seen the Ewok battle argument brought up SO many times it’s lost all meaning.
Did Luke really screw his sibling though?
@StealthRanger
I know, I just wanted to make sure my comment above was not misconstrued
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agreed until we have more evidence for Eldrads power.
@Negative-Zero
Oh good lord don’t get me started on that stupid argument. “They only won because of the Ewoks” or “The Empire must have been pathetic to lose to teddy bears” Its tiresome after while and as you said has lost its meaning.
Cause it’d be great if Mark Hamil ripped out a joker cackle during that scene.
@GuardianAngel1911
Fixing the blank post for ya bud, it said this:
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Go back to Trek fights boy.
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Sorry did mentioning fucking a family member touch a nerve?.
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Tell you what il not troll SW threads when the SDN tards and L-W fanboys stop trolling ST threads.
@Mister Teal
No he ended up marrying the Emperors top assassin though after she reformed and joined the Jedi order.
+1 vote for Eldrad Ulthran
+2 votes for Eldrad Ulthran
@stealth
lol my son eldrad is actually only a mid grade alpha+ psyker, I’ll give you everyone I can think of in the list in the list. Mehiston of the blood angels (<– absolute rapist), Eldrad, Arhiman, Apex Twins (<– these two kids together are probably as powerful as every single person on this list combined), Magnus the Red, GEOM (<– nuff said he's like a alpha +++ easily), Doom of Malatai (<– tyranid Zoanthrope that can consume others psychic potential and add it to his own)
^correction with the apex twins they are probably about equal with magnus
Anyways as for the battle itself:
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Eldrad would seem to have Luke beat in mental power
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But in terms of offense i hear he has an Eldritch storm which is the Eqivalent of a force storm, telekinesis, lightning and several other psyker powers, that theres a respect thread for on the ‘topia
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And hes above Alpha+ level psykers whom are planet busters (or so i’ve heard ’round here)
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But still 55:45 either way
+3 votes for Eldrad Ulthran
“Thats pretty good and all, but what powers does he have. Being on par with Ahriman, shouldn’t be very hard to get powers”
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-Standard Farseer powers (Lexicanum):
“Battle Fate – Examining the strands of time, the Farseer choose the course of action that will best ensure success for a friendly unit.
Crystal Seer – Calling upon the assistance of those Seers within the Infinity Circuit, the Farseer is able to enhance her abilities many-fold.
Doom – The Farseer finds the thread of destiny that leads to the enemies’ destruction and guides events toward that end.
Eldritch Storm – This power manifests as a vast psychic storm above the target area, firing bolts of psychic energy at the ground in devastating bursts which can even destroy tanks.
Force of Asuryan – The Farseer increasing the fighting abilities of friendly Eldar.
Fortune – The Farseer looks into immediate future for an instant, allowing Eldar warriors a chance to dodge incoming fire which would have killed them.
Guide – This power allows the Farseer to reach into the future, determine where the enemy will be, and use this information to guide friendly Eldars’ fire to the maximum effect.
Mind War – The Farseer battles the enemy’s mind directly, typically resulting in the foe’s brain exploding. It can also render them slow and dumb, or nullify any psychic powers they may have attempted.
Phoenix Spirit – Influencing the Wraithbone within a fallen Eldar’s Spirit Stone, the Farseer briefly reanimates them.
Spirit Seer – The Farseer influences the Wraithbone cores of all friendly Wraithguard, invigorating them to heroic actions.
Temporal Weave – This power allows the Farseer to target the enemy and remove them from time itself, essentially freezing them in place.”
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General Farseers-”They are capable of tossing Battle tanks into the air or frying an enemy’s brain with a single thought. Farseers have been known to stop Bolter shells in mid-air and render humans unconscious in an instant.”(Lexicanum)
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“And don’t feed the troll”
-I regret it already. Insulting a Troll is like pissing in the wind ain’t it
“Oh good lord don’t get me started on that stupid argument. “They only won because of the Ewoks” or “The Empire must have been pathetic to lose to teddy bears” Its tiresome after while and as you said has lost its meaning.”
I know, the Ewoks ONLY won because they were familiar with the forest and could blend in and shit.
@tau and Stealth
Well this is shaping up to be a pretty decent power fight then. I stated a good deal of Lukes Force powers aside from emerald lightning in an earlier post, post 15 to be precise, and on top of those he also has limited precog and regenerative abilities through the force.
@stealth
. the apex twins can destroy suns, and the GEOM can make warp storms so large they cover multiple systems O.o. but I think eldrad doesn’t have the raw power luke has but, I think he’d win in the end from his foreseeing abilities.
an alpha level psyker can destroy a planet, alpha plus are overkill, mephiston is the weakest on that list. and he can shit on planets
@Negative-Zero
I know? Shooting a two to three foot tall animal blending into the forest in the heat of battle isn’t easy especially with the laser equivalent of automatic rifles and machineguns. Heck in Star Wars battle front two the hunt mode on Endor as if for emphasis has Imperial Snipers vs the Ewoks, you almost can’t see them even with the improved accuracy.
+infinity votes for Eldrad Ulthran
Disregard EMOboy. His posts have no debate value and thus reponse is irrelevant. Remember Ladies and Gents, don’t feed the Trolls.
“Heck in Star Wars battle front two the hunt mode on Endor as if for emphasis has Imperial Snipers vs the Ewoks, you almost can’t see them even with the improved accuracy.”
I used to have that game and that misson was hard as fuck.
@tau43
Hmmm impressive list
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Lukes powers
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-Telepathy
-Telekinesis enough to down a crippled AT-AT (a bigger feat would be moving an artificial black hole created by the VY)
-Force wave (crushed Darth Vaders castle)
-Shatterpoints (you can make people implode, but it takes a while to charge up)
-Can augment his speed and durability enough to walk on magma (probably force shielding)
-Illusions (can fool other force users and starship scanners)
-Deflecting AT-AT blasts with a lightsaber
-Emerald lightning (insta-killed Vong Slayers who are immune to the force)
-Overcome force blindness created by Ysalmir (anti-force creatures)
-Can visualize targets memories and eradicate them
-Fold Space (fancy word foe teleporting)
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Thats what i could find for now
“I know, the Ewoks ONLY won because they were familiar with the forest and could blend in and shit.”
-And the fact the Empire landed absolutely no heavy armor.
Hold I thought Luke had better feats than that! He’s gonna need something on the planet busting level to compete with eldrad.
“Deflecting AT-AT blasts with a lightsaber”
-Isn’t that just normal blocking. but on a larger scale?
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Thats what i could find for now-
There are other Farseer powers as well, the ones I listed were just the main ones.
@StealthRanger
don’t forget Force Light, channel the force into himself in order to enter force light mode which basically means the entirety of the force begins to pour into him. Its dangerous though because its infinite energy and if he doesn’t use it his body can be destroyed by the overloading energy. But basically in Force Light he can turn poison into water or make it nonexistent mess with just about anything on a molecular level. Its basically one step below merging with the force to be a force ghost. Anikan Solo used it but didn’t know it and his body couldn’t take the sheer amount of raw power. Jacen Solo also used it in order to defeat the true supreme overlord in the final days of the Vong war.
as for when Luke did it it happened during the battle in the Fallanassi village, when Abeloth had Luke in a deadly embrace, Luke opened himself to the Force as much as possible, drawing on his love for his son Ben, his lost wife Mara, and the entire Jedi Order. The Light Side rushed into him, his cells began to burst with power and his skin gave off a golden glow. Luke’s power apparently harmed Abeloth and Luke seized the moment by using the Force to bring down a ceiling beam onto Abeloth, then seemingly killed her with his lightsaber.
@tau43
When he blocked the AT-AT blasts he was draining some of the energy away so his lightsaber could knock the blasts back at the AT-AT
“Isn’t that just normal blocking. but on a larger scale?”
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Considering at the time AT-ATs were packing capital ship weaponry, its impressive blocking
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“Hold I thought Luke had better feats than that! He’s gonna need something on the planet busting level to compete with eldrad.”
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Manipulating an artificial block hole?
“Hold I thought Luke had better feats than that! He’s gonna need something on the planet busting level to compete with eldrad.”
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He could make a force storm, but if I’m honest, Luke probably loses.
“He could make a force storm, but if I’m honest, Luke probably loses.”
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Eldrad has his Eldritch storm which i think has potential power a one given a psyker of Eladrads level. But idk really
I mean I thought luke has some nihilus level feats, like where nihilus cleansed an entire planet of life by speaking. Can luke at least crunch massive space ships?
“Eldrad has his Eldritch storm which i think has potential power a one given a psyker of Eladrads level. But idk really”
-Eldrich Storms are like Psychic Hurricanes where the lightning cause shock waves as well a death.
“I mean I thought luke has some nihilus level feats, like where nihilus cleansed an entire planet of life by speaking. Can luke at least crunch massive space ships?”
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O hear that he could affect ships telekinetically but i haven’t seen him doing so, but again its been ages since i read the Dark Empire comics
Eldrad could just freeze Luke in time and finish him then.
@Ranger
Will this be just Eldrad or will he have his retinue (out of combat), but there?
Hmm, how fast can Eldrad initiate his time stop?
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And what do you mean by out of combat retinue?
“And what do you mean by out of combat retinue?”
-Supporting him, but not fighting along side him.
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“Hmm, how fast can Eldrad initiate his time stop?”
-Doesn’t say.
“Supporting him, but not fighting along side him.”
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If he can summon it (like Dr Strange or whatnot) and its not actual outide help. Is it like Kharn’s blessing of Khorne?
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“Doesn’t say”
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Meh, in any sitch Lukes going to have to act fast to counter it
Agreed, if Luke acts fast he has a pretty good chance, if not he may not be able to take the offensive.
““Supporting him, but not fighting along side him.”
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If he can summon it (like Dr Strange or whatnot) and its not actual outide help. Is it like Kharn’s blessing of Khorne?”
-He can summon Seer Counsel. He draws off of them adding it to his power, That’s how he defeated Abaddon.
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“Meh, in any sitch Lukes going to have to act fast to counter it”
-Probably, or Mind War. Which I doubt Luke would win.
@GA1911
That appears to be the case
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I think im leaning toward Eldrad now tho. 55:45 Eldrad
“He can summon Seer Counsel. He draws off of them adding it to his power, That’s how he defeated Abaddon.”
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Well we allow Dr Strange to summon universal entities so sure, he can have it
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“Probably, or Mind War. Which I doubt Luke would win”
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And Eldrad would be strong enough to equal him in other aspects of raw power anyways
@StealthRanger
I’d agree with those, they are still betting odds though. I wonder if we’re underestimating Luke’s ability to activate Force Light though…
Sorry, has Luke any defense against mind rape? I don’t see it mentioned in this debate that he does, and if he doesn’t he instantly loses.
@GA
I dunno man I know he’s got force lightening, but eldrad has pretty much the same thing, i understand lukes is powerful, but eldrads is ungodly strong as well.
“Sorry, has Luke any defense against mind rape? I don’t see it mentioned in this debate that he does, and if he doesn’t he instantly loses.”
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This is why I frown on WH40k Characters vs Star Wars characters matches.
@Crimson Sentry
not lightning though thats a useful ability I mean Force Light an ability I mentioned in post 66.
I think Luke may have some mental defenses to a point but I’m not sure the extent if he has them.
@GA1911
Regarless Luke doesn’t want to enter the mind game
Well you’d better get some quotes of exceptional mind defenses or this match need go no further.
“Well you’d better get some quotes of exceptional mind defenses or this match need go no further.”
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You’d best get some quotes of exception mind offense first.
Basic ability of Mind war, already posted in this thread. As of now luke has no proven defeses against even its most basic form practiced by bog standard farseers, let alone powerhouses like Eldrad.
Both of them are incredibly powerful, but I think Eldrad’s precog would give him the win. He’d know where Luke would be and what he would do, and that coupled with his ability to attack a mind directly should lead to a victory to him.
Found another interesting feat
While battling UnuThul, Luke was able to resist the combined Force power of the Colony and triumph. When UnuThul attempted to Force Push the Grand Master, Luke rooted himself in the heart of the Force so strongly that it was said that he had become the very essence of the immovable object, and that not even the black hole at the center of the galaxy could move him
this took place during the Swarm War trilogy.
There’s also this
During the Battle of Kashyyyk, Luke shut his presence down after being fired upon by Jaina to make it seem like he died. Later while Ben was in the Embrace of Pain, Jacen gave Ben back his ability to sense the Force temporarily and Ben felt the life force of his father and realized Luke was shutting himself down to everyone except Ben, something no other Jedi has been able to do.
Right before the Battle of Fondor, Luke made Caedus “see” a fleet of ships, causing him to panic in front of his navy. Luke directed it right at Caedus in general, to show him what he could do and also to scare Caedus.
and he can sense “Shatterpoints” Shatterpoints were a complex Force phenomenon, perceivable only by an unknown innate talent or immense focus and concentration on the part of the Force-user. Shatterpoints were akin to fault lines, and adept Force-users were able to perceive these faults through the Force, and influence them. A shatterpoint can be in a person place or even an event, a strong force user like Luke can use this to his advantage to break his opponent, not quite mental though and I have yet to find any truly mental feats.
@Tau43 I don’t know where half those farseer powers are coming from cuz they’re not in the codex. The only ones that are are Doom, Fortune, Guide, Mind War, and Eldritch Storm.
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@Crimson Sentry can I get a citation for alpha psykers planetbusting? The best feat I’m aware of for Magnus is titanbusting, the description of alpha plus psykers only mentions snapping titans in half, and Mephiston isn’t anywhere close to planetbusting (in fact I don’t think he ever uses a single power in his codex, he just runs around punching people). The best offensive psychic feat for a librarian I can think of is Njall Stormcaller tearing a bloodthirster apart. For the emperor, there is not a shred of evidence he actually cast the storm of the emperor’s wrath. His best offensive feat is a supernova level attack, but using that burned out his body and put him on the golden throne.
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@GA first off, how big/powerful were those black holes? A real life black hole is a solar system eater. Anyway, what I’m getting from your post is that Luke has an infinite energy source, transmutation at the molecular level, and enough telekinetic power to move a black hole of indeterminate size.
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@Everyone, Luke might not have defenses against Eldrad, but Eldrad can’t exactly tank Luke’s shit either. Telekinesis enough to move a black hole would, if it were a real life black hole, be sufficient to crush the solar system into a tin can. He’s also got matter manipulation on a molecular scale backed up by an infinite energy source. I’d say this is a standard quick draw because both of them can one shot the other. So the question is, how fast can they cast their first spell?
“Luke rooted himself in the heart of the Force so strongly that it was said that he had become the very essence of the immovable object, and that not even the black hole at the center of the galaxy could move him”
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While it sound powerful, it seems realtively vague
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“During the Battle of Kashyyyk, Luke shut his presence down after being fired upon by Jaina to make it seem like he died. Later while Ben was in the Embrace of Pain, Jacen gave Ben back his ability to sense the Force temporarily and Ben felt the life force of his father and realized Luke was shutting himself down to everyone except Ben, something no other Jedi has been able to do.
Right before the Battle of Fondor, Luke made Caedus “see” a fleet of ships, causing him to panic in front of his navy. Luke directed it right at Caedus in general, to show him what he could do and also to scare Caedus.”
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Which both come under the ‘illusions’ category. I think 40k psykers are capable of this too
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“and he can sense “Shatterpoints” Shatterpoints were a complex Force phenomenon, perceivable only by an unknown innate talent or immense focus and concentration on the part of the Force-user. Shatterpoints were akin to fault lines, and adept Force-users were able to perceive these faults through the Force, and influence them. A shatterpoint can be in a person place or even an event, a strong force user like Luke can use this to his advantage to break his opponent”
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Shatterpoints was brought up earlier, and if it makes you implode, Luke requires time to charge the attack
“@Everyone, Luke might not have defenses against Eldrad, but Eldrad can’t exactly tank Luke’s shit either. Telekinesis enough to move a black hole would, if it were a real life black hole, be sufficient to crush the solar system into a tin can. He’s also got matter manipulation on a molecular scale backed up by an infinite energy source. I’d say this is a standard quick draw because both of them can one shot the other. So the question is, how fast can they cast their first spell?”
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Eldrad’s precog defeats this, though. At the very least it would give him the one advantage in the fight, and through 100 fights it would lead to more victories for him.
“Eldrad’s precog defeats this, though. At the very least it would give him the one advantage in the fight, and through 100 fights it would lead to more victories for him.”
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No, just no… If you know the sun is going to explode, does that mean you can avoid it? NO! Precog only helps with things he can avoid, Luke is capable of vast destruction.
“Telekinesis enough to move a black hole would, if it were a real life black hole, be sufficient to crush the solar system into a tin can”
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It wasn’t an actual black hole. It was an artificial one created by the Yuzzhan Vong i think. Not sure of its size tho
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“can I get a citation for alpha psykers planetbusting? The best feat I’m aware of for Magnus is titanbusting, the description of alpha plus psykers only mentions snapping titans in half, and Mephiston isn’t anywhere close to planetbusting (in fact I don’t think he ever uses a single power in his codex, he just runs around punching people). The best offensive psychic feat for a librarian I can think of is Njall Stormcaller tearing a bloodthirster apart. For the emperor, there is not a shred of evidence he actually cast the storm of the emperor’s wrath. His best offensive feat is a supernova level attack, but using that burned out his body and put him on the golden throne.”
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I think some quotes were put out on 40k vs SG (or some other thread) for it. Not sure though
“No, just no… If you know the sun is going to explode, does that mean you can avoid it? NO! Precog only helps with things he can avoid, Luke is capable of vast destruction.”
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I know Luke is capable of vast destruction, but Eldrad’s superior precog gives him the advantage. Eldrad is capable of vast destruction, too. I am speaking on general terms here. They seem fairly matched when it comes to one-on-one destruction, but Eldrad’s mind attacks and precog are what he has over Luke.