Suggested by Xeno Dimentio
This is a war between two scourges of their respective galaxies.
We have the Flood rom the Halo series and the Xenomorphs from the Alien franchise. The location is the Same as the Flood vs Metroids match. There are 5 million assorted Flood forms (without a Gravemind) at one pole, and 5 million Xenos of assorted types (including Queens) at the opposite pole.
Each has a steady supply of Human hosts to increase their forces.
Who wins this parasite war?
Where are the hosts located?
If there is a steady stream of hosts, then a gravemind will be formed eventually.
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Also what are we using regarding Xenomorph canon, is it just movie? Or involving other bits aswell?
movies and novels imo … comics doesn´t count as canon as far as i know …
what is the gravemind able to do?
though i think the flood should take this if they are able to infect the xenos themeselfs
Flood stomp, though not how you’d expect.
Every xeno would get quickly infected, but I’m not sure how the flood spores would deal with the acid blood during mutation…
They might all just hemorrhage and die off.
Xeno’s can’t really impregnate something like the flood.
I dunno… anyone got an alternative theory?
How can the flood infect something with blood like xenomorphs? It’ll burn them every time they try.
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The only way I see the flood winning, is if the xenomorphs breath in flood spores OR if the flood’s pure forms do all the work.
sucks that XD can’t make it to his offspring’s birth…
“movies and novels imo … comics doesn´t count as canon as far as i know …
what is the gravemind able to do?”
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Aren’t the novels based on comics?
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So is this only human born xenos are are they allowed to take attributes from non-human things as well? We’ve seen a wide variety of xeno types based on what would happen if they took from different animals before, from the ones in the toy line variants to the caiman-xeno in the Batman vs Aliens comic.
@MrTBSC
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The gravemind can’t do anything by itself, though it does grow big and tentacle-y.
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It basically gains the brain power and knowledge of everything absorbed by the Flood as a whole, so it basically becomes a biological supercomputer.
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@Everyone
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I think the Flood win. The xenomorphs claws/tails/weird chompy things (don’t know if their is a technical term for it) aren’t going to do much to the flood. There aren’t going to be any ‘headshots’ because they don’t actually affect the flood and getting close enough to do that isn’t going to be a good thing for any zenomorph.
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More to the point the most recent flood assault forms that we have seen can morph between a massive hulking melee monstrosity and a wall climbing thing which shots big glowing needles. The ranged attack on it’s own gives a massive advantage to the Flood. Not to mention that all 5 million of the ‘assorted’ Flood at the start would be able to become these morphing attack forms given enough biomass.
@ Reaper
If we allow xeno variants they come with a handful of ranged units. Two which launch armored parasites, another which launches some kind of mouthed monstrosity if I recall, and another which unleashes long range acid attacks.
Reaper I disagree.
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Xenomorphs should own all flood, esp if they rush the flood.
Their claws,/tails will destroy the flood in seconds.
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The only way I see the flood winning at this point, is if they keep a distance between themselves and the xenomorphs.
I have never read the books/comic so I wouldn’t know. So maybe ranged isn’t so one sided..
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I don’t if know either the Flood or Xenomorphs are going to being able to infect the other, the Xenomorphs for obvious acidy reasons and the Flood because of the way that the Flood super cells work (halo.wikia.com/wiki/LF.Xx.3273_Flood_Super_Cell).
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(Wiki I know, but it does give a fairly good idea and the second source link goes to an readable image of the Halo Bestiarum so I think the important bits are true.)
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That said the Xenomorphs aren’t 100% acid blood (it will be confined to blood vessels and such) though, so whilst it may be possible for a Flood infection form to get some of the Super Cells into the Xenomorphs’ nervous system I don’t think a) the Flood even have a receptacle (?) for the facehuggers and b) if they did that the parasite planted by the facehugger would survive long enough to gestate.
I think that the Flood will infect the Xenos and the winner is the XenoFlood hybrid. The loser is the rest of the Galaxy, because eventually the XenoFlood with be absorbed into the Zerg gene pool and we will have the ultimate Parasite on our hands
then it will infect a borg and get the X parasite and T virus in it some how… bloody hell, we’re fuckin’ screwed.
@Dr.Twinky
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And the Flood will just sit their waiting for the Xenomorphs to close in? Not to mention that the flood and no slouches when it comes to CQC.
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The Flood will be in the following forms:
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Carrier Form – halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood_Carrier_Form
Standard exploding Flood. Explode with roughly the same force as a Halo frag grenade.
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Then there are the Pure Flood forms:
Stalker Form -http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood_Stalker_Form
Ranged Form -http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood_Ranged_Form
Tank Form -http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood_Tank_Form
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The Tank and Ranged form can mutate almost instantaneously into the Stalker form, which can then mutate into either.
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Infection Form – halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood_Infection_Form
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The Carrier releases a dozen or so Infection Forms when they explode and the Tank Form can disgorge some every so often.
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The other forms will have been all turned into one of the above, moving from one pole to another does take time.
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If the Flood infection forms can infect the Xenomorphs, which I’m leaning towards at the moment, then given the speed at which the Infection Forms tend to mutate the host the infected it will be a matter of minutes before the Flood begin to spread.
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@Broadwine
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Then the Tyranids turn up and decide they already have all those abilities and kill everything in sight.
I think that the Xenomorph acid blood would destroy flood biomatter in seconds, so they really only have to get close and bleed all over them.
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However I think the Flood will win due to range, adaptability, and a faster infection time. Going off of Halo 3 A marine turned into a combat form in seconds, Xenomorphs have to knock you out and drag you to their nest in order to give you the facehuggers right? or would facehuggers follow the drones? either way, it takes at least a few hours between face hugger and chestburster. So the Flood will multiply much faster. Even if they cannot infect the Xenos, they will outnumber them faster.
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The OP says the Flood don’t have a Gravemind, so I don’t think the Flood can use Pure Forms, since they appear after a Gravemind is formed.
@Broadwine
“because eventually the XenoFlood with be absorbed into the Zerg gene pool and we will have the ultimate Parasite on our hands”
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And then the Beast come along and teach them all how it’s done.
“Then the Tyranids turn up and decide they already have all those abilities and kill everything in sight.”
until they meet the X ;P
@Reaper
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Okay what if the Floodzergomorph-Borg also fuses with the Venom symbiote… can the Tyranids beat it then?
@Broadwine
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Only if you dip them in Chemical X, give them an adamantium skeleton, or have them possessed by Nurgle
@sgtNACHO
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A gravemind is just an cumulation of brain power and knowledge it doesn’t take long for one to form. One formed during the events of Halo 2 and it had far less biomass than 5 million forms to use.
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Xenomorphs aren’t 100% acid blood as I said earlier. Given that an infection form penetrated the Chiefs suit when his shields were down within a few seconds I see no reason why the infection form won’t be able to get through any bone the Xenomorph has in it’s head. Granted I don’t think the Flood take on any traits from their food so the resulting form will be melted by the original xenomorphs hosts own blood but that’s still one xenomorph down.
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@Broadwine
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Maybe but only if the universe doesn’t have some sort of nervous breakdown before they can actually start fighting.
and we can have the floodzergomorphX+Tvirus infect Upgrade and have floodzergomorphX+Tvirus-upgrade and floodzergomorphX+Tvirus-Borg mate and then get bitten by some L4D zombs…
o.O
@Bardian
Possess that with the Ing, and I think the universe itself would shit itself in terror.
and give it access to forerunner technology and lightsabres.
Why not infuse it with Tiberium and Stargate nanites whilst we’re adding things.
well shit who needs the chaos if we can turn ourself into chaos … tzeench would
likely grin and say ” that was all my idea”:D
the other three go -.-`
and those nanites from Ben 10 and Generator Rex… mutate them with radioactivity and name them: Pyramid Head.
Oh and let the resulting weirdness be bitten by a radioactive spider…..
put in metroidprime and phazon too if it not already been done …
Then infect it with the Black Oil from X-Files and give it the Doctor to assimilate.
I gave ‘em the X parasite… let’s also give it a healthy dose of GAMMA RAY BOMB followed by mating with a kryptonian.
…. just give him the power cosmic
… think that beats everthing
and the infinity gauntlet
… … … with those 2 even an ant becomes a god
also the One Ring.
no power cosmic or infinity gauntlet! we don’t want them to be immortal… just the most badass (yet killable) thing to have ever been thought of in the history of forever.
… what´s the ring good for?
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errrrrrrr how bout eeeeeerrrr
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a cross between
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fusion UAM 1
nanosuit
and bleeding edge armor …
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ey it´s still killable …. well not realy -_-
just more eviler…
okay the Venom symbiote has mixed with a Floodzergomorphborg, it has the T and the X virus, and it all is incompassed in a nanosuit built from the nanites from hundreds of diffrent universes… and inside this things mind he is fighting between all of its instincts, the Ing, and the corruption of Lord Sauron
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So when is its first battle?
It also has adamantium bones, has been bitten by a radioactive spider, is half krypton, has hulk’s powers, was messed with by black oil from bp-I mean the x files, has upgrade from ben 10′s abilities, has been dipped in chemical x, has been nuked and affected by the radioactivity… that was the short version.
Flood infects xeno. Xenoflood infects Borg. Xenoborgflood gets infected with T-virus and X parasite. XenoborgfloodXT gets absorbed into the zerg gene pool. FloodzergomorphBorgXT fuses with venom. FloodzergomorphborgXTV gets dipped in chemical X and given an adamantium skeleton. ada-FloodzergomorphBorgXXTV infects Upgrade (from ben 10) and mates with it. ada-FloodzergupgradomorphBorgXXTV is possesed by the ing. ada-ing-FloodzergupgradomorphBorgXXTV Infused with nanites from Ben 10, Generator Rex, Stargate and Tiberium. ada-ing-FloodzergupgradomorphBorgXXTV-NANO infected by metroid, phazon, gamma rays and nuclear mutation. Nuke-ada-ing-FloodzergupgradomorphBorgXXTVGMP-NANO infected with black oil from X files. Nuke-ada-ing-FloodzergupgradomorphBorgXXTVGMP-NANO-BP bitten by radioactive spider. Spider-Nuke-ada-ing-FloodzergupgradomorphBorgXXTVGMP-NANO-BP mates with kryptonian (gives birth). Spider-Krypto-Nuke-ada-ing-FloodzergupgradomorphBorgXXTVGMP-NANO-BP gains infinity gauntlet, power cosmic and the one ring to rule them all. Spider-Krypto-Nuke-ada-ing-FloodzergupgradomorphBorgXXTVGMP-NANO-BP with infinity gauntlet, power cosmic and the one ring to rule them all gets a cross between FUSION UAM 1, a nanosuit and bleeding edge armour. that was the long version.
I say we take pre-crisis superman, silver surfer, green star hulk, super saiyan goku, galactus, flash (all of them… hell, all of the supermen, gokus and hulks too), and doctor strange and put them up against this monstrosity… but it’s still sortof a stomp in the Spider-Krypto-Nuke-ada-ing-FloodzergupgradomorphBorgXXTVGMP-NANO-BP with infinity gauntlet, power cosmic and the one ring to rule them all inside of a cross between FUSION UAM 1, a nanosuit and bleeding edge armour’s favor.
Have that dude assimilated by the Beast and game over universe…
Next Match. This creation vs. all manga… Repeatedly.
homeworld.wikia.com/wiki/The_Beast
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Seriously, this thing makes the Flood and even the Zerg look like a mild case of the flue…
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Holy sh*t, I just got an idea for a suggestion!
The Beast is certainly a very powerful thing but the ability to absorb both organic and inorganic is already present in the ‘Creation’.
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Organic in the form of the Flood (at least, I can’t really be sure on all the different elements!)
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And inorganic from the various nanites.
BETTER IDEA!
We take this new creation, and combine it with this:
i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn41/RickHeaven/GetterEmperor.jpg
Yes, that is a giant combing robot crushing a planet with a single hand and absorbing the mass, minds, souls, and bodies of all those on it.
The Getter will be pleased to absorb this monster and spread to all realities!
That and it seeks to absorb all of it as well…..
Dear god, what has Factpile-kun done?
ON TOPIC:
I just have to ask.
Flood won due to increased speed and such.
“Dear god, what has Factpile-kun done?”
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Yes, what have we done!
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“I just have to ask.
Flood won due to increased speed and such”
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I think so, though others may bring up useful things to say otherwise. In my opinion this is because the Xenomorph’s very fighting style, headshot’s with the inner mouths or piercing with the tail, are going to be less than useless against an organism like the Flood with no central important points to attack.
@Reaper
“Organic in the form of the Flood (at least, I can’t really be sure on all the different elements!)
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And inorganic from the various nanites.”
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But can they spread via plasma bolts?
Hmmmm. No, I’m don’t think so.
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Though I am pretty that this creature would probably detach part of itself and throw it to infect people. And given Spiderman reflexes with Superman/Hulk strength I’m pretty sure it would hit (probably killing the target in the process but why have nanites and don’t use them to build things.
“However I think the Flood will win due to range, adaptability, and a faster infection time. Going off of Halo 3 A marine turned into a combat form in seconds,…….”
7 seconds. Bungie sure like them 7′s.
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Xenomorphs > Tanks, Stalkers, and infection forms. Period.
Range forms and carrier forms are the only real dangers to the xenomorphs.
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I don’t care how fast the flood produces….there is no proof that they can infect any xenomorphs via contact. Once again, the only way they can win is by either keeping range or if (note IF) the xenomorphs breath in flood spores AND get infected.
How exactly are the Xenomorphs going to kill the Flood forms?
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The Flood are very durable things, missing body parts and even heads don’t faze them in the slightest.Yes the Xeno’s can probably rip them apart given 10 seconds of free time to do so but that isn’t their MO and that takes far longer than would really be available before someone else takes a swing at them. Not to mention that the Flood forms will be fighting back any and every way they can whether it be shooting, hitting, piercing, crushing and throwing Xeno’s left, right and centre.
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Dr.Twinky you make it sound like a single Xeno would be able to take on dozens of Flood at once and win. I seriously doubt that ability of a Xeno to take on one and win 100% of the time.
Xenos can get sick, as long as it’s not blood related I presume. The nature of the one disease to effect a xeno was never really described but it retarded the growth process and discolored it. The effects of this disease it was spreading on everything else were much, much worse…
Ah yes, a rotten piece of flesh is at its peak of durability….
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One xeno prob can’t take 12 flood forms at a time, but he can take at least three of them. They’re faster, I’d say deadlier and the can climb walls, trees, etc. They have a huge advantage.
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If this was 50k flood vs 2k xenomorphs, then the flood could win. But one on one? No.
Sauro,
Where can I take a look at these diseases? Not that it really matters, because we’re not including any outside help. And absurd as it may sound, including diseases would be considered outside help.
“Spider-Krypto-Nuke-ada-ing-FloodzergupgradomorphBorgXXTVGMP-NANO-BP with infinity gauntlet, power cosmic and the one ring to rule them all inside of a cross between FUSION UAM 1, a nanosuit and bleeding edge armour vs All Manga”
I WANT that match!
the flood recreate faster than the xenos, so by the time one reached the other, the flood’s mass would be insanely larger.
“f this was 50k flood vs 2k xenomorphs, then the flood could win. But one on one? No.”
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Then it’s a good thing the flood can create more flood much faster than the Xenomorphs can create more Xenomorphs.
that is the most long, drawn out name in the history of characters… can we call it SKNAIFZUMBXXTVGMP w/ IGPCORTRTA ioacb FUAM1ANABEA? damn…. still long and drawn out.
Time to ask the obvious question!
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How steady is this supply of humans?
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(seriously how many humans do they get, say per hour?)
Diseases may be outside help but it would provide insights into how effective an infection form attacking the xeno’s nervous system will be.
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Strength? I don’t remember exactly how strong the xenos are. But Flood tank forms are stronger than the MC whose strength have been calc’d by me and tmwta many times to be around 3 tons lifting.
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Speed? Maybe, but stalker forms are very quick and can leap very far.
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As far as climbing goes both stalker and ranged formed can climb up and ‘stick’ on sheer surfaces.
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Regarding durabilty. Firstly the Flood are not zombies they do not have rotting flesh, their entire bodies are made up of the Flood Super Cell. Secondly given that these super cells perform all functions there are no key body areas that the xenos can attack for an easy kill.
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Secondly what is to stop the Flood from simply all turning into Ranged forms and making a massive pile with Flood facing in every direction and waiting for the xenos to turn up and when they do simply destroy them with massed firepower?
The flood need food to reproduce. If they can’t infect the xenomorphs, then they can’t reproduce. Human corpses only last so long.
Have you read the match description Twinky?
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Planet is the one describe in this debate: www.factpile.com/6760-flood-vs-metroids/
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There is plently of biomass on the planet that can be rendered down into Flood biomass.
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Corpses? Where do corpses come into it? By the description the humans are fresh and never ending. So there will be plenty of food for the Flood.
Alright people that took part in creating the “SKNAIFZUMBXXTVGMP w/ IGPCORTRTA ioacb FUAM1ANABEA” i think we should name this character “SUPER STEVE” and Super Steve needs to have a picture of him drawn and he will face all of manga
Reaper,
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“Strength? I don’t remember exactly how strong the xenos are. But Flood tank forms are stronger than the MC whose strength have been calc’d by me and tmwta many times to be around 3 tons lifting.”
I never stated they were stronger, but they’re most likely stronger than most flood forms.
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Stalkers are pathetic. If they get withing 1 meter of the xenos, they’re dead.
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“As far as climbing goes both stalker and ranged formed can climb up and ‘stick’ on sheer surfaces.”
Yeah, they can. ALL xeno’s can climb walls….
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They might not be considered zombies, butt they still have rotten or at least very weak skin. How do I know this? Melee one and it’ll separate into a few pieces.
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Have we determined that ranger forms can pierce xenos? Have we determined that all the flood are pure forms?
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Again, xenos rush = goodbye flood.
And as far as this actual battle goes, the Flood wins… they reproduce waaaaaay faster. And even HALO rings couldnt destroy the whole flood, what is a few Xenos gonna do?
Heres a representation of Super Steve’s power… does that count? etc.usf.edu/clipart/41700/41717/FC_Infinity_41717_lg.gif
“……….with forests and plantlife that could be usable by the flood as biomass to create more fighters until those resources are depleted.”
That’s the metroid vs flood thread description.
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Steady? Does that mean infinite? How strange does our universe work? Humans seem to populate even when there aren’t any parents to engage in intercourse.
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I thought the “steady” supply meant a few thousand dead people.
@Bardian
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That image is what our patheic human eyes can percieve of Super Steve
“Stalkers are pathetic. If they get withing 1 meter of the xenos, they’re dead.”
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If they get within 1 metre they can just change into a tank form.
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“Yeah, they can. ALL xeno’s can climb walls….”
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Yes, it provides a nice open space for the xeno’s to be shot in.
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“They might not be considered zombies, butt they still have rotten or at least very weak skin. How do I know this? Melee one and it’ll separate into a few pieces.”
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Maybe, or maybe that’s just a convenient way to memory mange a corpse in a game.
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“Have we determined that ranger forms can pierce xenos? Have we determined that all the flood are pure forms?”
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The second thing first. No, the match description says that they start of as mixed/assorted flood forms. But the pure forms are essentially constructed from the super cells that can come from any source. So essentially all the Flood in the fight can become pure forms.
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The flood projectiles are strong enough to take out Spartan/Elite/Brute/Sentinal shielding and kill all four. The Spartan armour is pretty much immune to anything less than 7.62mm armour piercing rounds so that should give an idea. And books aside the movie, more true, canon shows the xenos being ripped apart by the marine pulse rifle ( avp.wikia.com/wiki/M41_Pulse_Rifle ) so I don’t see an issue with that.
Meant to add the Colonial Marines rifle is 10mm, so something stronger than a 7.62mm AP round should be in the right ballpark.
“Steady? Does that mean infinite? How strange does our universe work? Humans seem to populate even when there aren’t any parents to engage in intercourse.
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I thought the “steady” supply meant a few thousand dead people.”
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I believe you are mistaken. At the very least both be and SgCombine, from his previous post at least, believe that the description indicates that both are being reinforced directly and continuously with live humans from an unknown source, it doesn’t matter where they come from anyway what matters is that they have access to them.
“@Bardian
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That image is what our patheic human eyes can percieve of Super Steve”
Heyullz Yayuh!
“If they get within 1 metre they can just change into a tank form.”
And still get ripped apart?
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“Yes, it provides a nice open space for the xeno’s to be shot in.”
“……with forests and plantlife……..”
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No, they have rotten/weak skin. Ever seen MC melee a brute until it seperated into a few pieces?
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“Organ-based systems’ physiology are corrupted, organ-specific functions are decentralized, and body cavities are decayed, making hitbox-selective incapacitation impossible; organ functions are decentralized, thus, decapitation does not down a combat form…..”
- Halo nation
halo.wikia.com/wiki/Flood#Biology
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Okay….but it will take a while for them to become pure forms as they need to evolve first.
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Fair enough.
@ Twinky
I don’t remember the name of the story but I have the comic somewhere. No, I’m not digging through my garage to look for it. Look up aliens comics (not AvP comics) and if you find one with like a pink chest burster that’s the one. The story wasn’t very good, as they just nuked the entire resort that the disease was taking hold in at the end. I hate those endings, usually. It feels like bad writing most of the time.
“I believe you are mistaken. At the very least both be and SgCombine, from his previous post at least, believe that the description indicates that both are being reinforced directly and continuously with live humans from an unknown source, it doesn’t matter where they come from anyway what matters is that they have access to them.”
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Well this is…..retarded. It makes no sense, and is completely biased in favor of the flood.
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I apologize for the inconvenience.
Sauro….what am I supposed to find?
I hate installers. Had a big post and then it went and did something to my browser and now it’s gone.
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Here we go again. I’ll start with the post you made after I started writing the last one.
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“Well this is…..retarded. It makes no sense, and is completely biased in favor of the flood.
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I apologize for the inconvenience.”
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I don’t think it put’s the Flood at that much of an advantage as much as you think, I think (that makes sense in my head). Both are getting the humans directly, so why is that biased?
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“And still get ripped apart?”
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Tank forms can lift over 3,000 kg, with it’s arms alone, so I believe it is the Tank form and not the xeno that will be doing the ripping, crushing and throwing.
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““Yes, it provides a nice open space for the xeno’s to be shot in.”
“……with forests and plantlife……..”
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Very true, I had a different image in my head for some strange reason (industrial/forerunner type building)
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“No, they have rotten/weak skin. Ever seen MC melee a brute until it seperated into a few pieces?”
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Yes, but as you pointed out with the bit on Flood biology they have no centralised anything. The xeno’s tails/inner jaws will be of very little use, only ripping apart will work effectively and due to size difference’s it would take more than one xeno to get the leverage in order to do it to a Tank form, even if one xeno has the strength to do it alone, and the xenos aren’t at a numerical advantage.
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“Okay….but it will take a while for them to become pure forms as they need to evolve first.”
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Some will start as pure forms and the others won’t take that long to become them.
“Alright people that took part in creating the “SKNAIFZUMBXXTVGMP w/ IGPCORTRTA ioacb FUAM1ANABEA” i think we should name this character “SUPER STEVE” and Super Steve needs to have a picture of him drawn and he will face all of manga”
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Challenge Accepted.
-Brain preparation at 56%
-Mental image Comprehension at 2%
-Stupidity for accepting task at 110% and rising
@sgtNACHO
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What have you gotten yourself into!
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Though if it makes it easier I do imagine that a creature such as Super Steve could take any form it wanted.
I believe I’ll take small portions of each and create a large quadripedal body, one large head with multiple attributes, I’ve listed each seperate entity involved, so we shall see what comes out….
Haha, this should be interesting.
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Oh had a thought, we haven’t cross-breed Steve with Chuck Norris yet! All that needs be drawn for it is a bread hiding a fist.
“I don’t think it put’s the Flood at that much of an advantage as much as you think, I think (that makes sense in my head). Both are getting the humans directly, so why is that biased?”
It’s biased because flood can multiply incredibly fast as long as they have some type of food. Having unlimited food = unlimited flood. That’s biased. It makes the flood almost indestructible.
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“Tank forms can lift over 3,000 kg, with it’s arms alone, so I believe it is the Tank form and not the xeno that will be doing the ripping, crushing and throwing.”
If MC can melee one to death with a gun (not sharp and pointy), then a xeno can do the same.
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(You’re second last point….)
Yeah, but since they’re assorted, that means a max of 30k pure forms can be present at the beginning. (Making way for infection and carrier forms) And since infection forms will do little to nothing, it’s still a 50k vs 30k battle at the very beginning.
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Won’t it at least take a few days, esp without a gravemind?
Wait … on the relative strengths … weren’t the Xenomorphs calced to be in the 48 ton range? That’d be significantly superior to that of the Flood.
sgtNACHO, what are you doing? lol.
I just realised…this is the first debate in which I actually consistently contributed. Maybe that’s why I’m so darn tired.
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Kytheros…..sources? Because that sounds a little far fetched.
Oh FFS. It’s like no one understands how to operate Google these days. The name of the comic is Aliens: Kidnapped. It was a 3 issue comic but I got the fat compilation version, which means if you want you can probably get your hands on one too if you’d like. That should be enough to get you on your way.
@Kytheros
MidnightMaraudor said 48,000 pounds (24 tons) although I have no idea where he got that from.
Sauro,
You told me to look for a comic, but you never told me why.
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Either you learn how to communicate properly or GTFO you moron.
Can we just get back to the fight at hand, for once? -_-’
@Dr.Twinky
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“It’s biased because flood can multiply incredibly fast as long as they have some type of food. Having unlimited food = unlimited flood. That’s biased. It makes the flood almost indestructible.”
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The Xeno’s potentially have infinite numbers aswell.
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“If MC can melee one to death with a gun (not sharp and pointy), then a xeno can do the same.”
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I really think that that I just game mechanics, just like MC flipping a 60 ton tank by hitting it is. Also I’m not mistaken that Chief hitting one to pieces thing (I realise it is just game mechanics) would be more of a durability feat anyway. I can re-read Halo: The Flood to strength feats I needed though.
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“Yeah, but since they’re assorted, that means a max of 30k pure forms can be present at the beginning. (Making way for infection and carrier forms) And since infection forms will do little to nothing, it’s still a 50k vs 30k battle at the very beginning.
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Won’t it at least take a few days, esp without a gravemind?”
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As far as time for pure forms goes, we can’t really tell. However long the time between Halo 2 and 3 is how long it took in the games and is probably the correct answer. (Upon reading up it seems this around 10 days, but I suppose this depends on whether the gravemind had to come up with new forms or just recreated ones from the previous war (Forerunner Flood)).
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Note – The 10 days figure is very stupid. The Chief was stuck on the outside of a ship in slipspace for that long, with no water or food? Hmm. I smell a timing cock up.
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And as for numbers, where did you get 50k and 30k from?
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Scratch that I see, it’s millions though and not 10k’s though.
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Though I’m not sure on this, I have a sneaking suspicion that given that the Flood are all one cell type and their ability to convert from one form to another that they can be recycled even after death.
Where is Captain Xeno Dimentio when we need someone to reassure me no one’s meant to be left behind?
For that matter, where is he in regards to this match?
If I’m remembering correctly – I’m not the one who calced it out – the 48 ton or 48k strength of Xenomorphs (I’m not sure which it is, tbh, but either is significantly superior to that of the Flood) was derived from comparative calculations based on the strength of the android in Alien, which was stated to be some multiple of human capability.
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I do not remember in which match the matter originally arose and was calculated – it may even have originally been worked out in a match involving a Predator.
@Cross
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I noticed most people whose matches are uploaded don’t arrive until at least a page later. (but not me
@Combine
Can you please check back on the current page of Lara Croft vs Unarmored Space Marine, to see why i don’t feel right at all? T_T
“The Xeno’s potentially have infinite numbers aswell.”
True, but the flood can multiply much, much faster. Like in halo 3 they could have occupied half of Earth in what….a day?
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“And as for numbers, where did you get 50k and 30k from?
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Scratch that I see, it’s millions though and not 10k’s though.”
I just estimated based on the match description. 50k on each side. So I thought: 10k infections, 10k carrier, 10k tank,range and stalker. < = 50k.
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Kytheros, I don't think we should use unproven calcs.
Were those androids even shown to be stronger than humans in the films?
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Two men pulled that android from the Alien off of Ripley and the only true interaction of android and xeno was that Queen lifting Bishop up by her tail in Aliens then ripping him in two.
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I don’t like this habit of just assuming comics are canon when dealing with xenos or predators. It’s like the SW EU most people on factpile assume that unless specified in a SW match the EU ins’t involved. Why should it be any different in this case.
“True, but the flood can multiply much, much faster. Like in halo 3 they could have occupied half of Earth in what….a day?”
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Was just half of Africa, and even then they were actually only in far less than that. The Elites glassed that much just to be certain.
@Dr.Twinky – we shouldn’t, true. They were, however, proven in the match they were presented in. It’s been a while since the Xeno’s had a match, though, so it’s slipped out of circulation.
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@Reaper – I dunno if it was ever shown, but it was specifically stated by one of the characters that androids were some multiple of human strength.
The calcs might have included stuff from some of the movies other than just the original, though.
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Again, I don’t remember precisely what the calcs included or where precisely they were done. However, I do remember that they were shown in their entirety in a previous match.
Half of Africa that’s right. Still, that’s incredibly fast.
The Flood hadn’t covered half of Africa.
Half of Africa was the Elites “only way to be sure”, because even a single Flood cell getting outside the blast area was unacceptable.
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On that note, did the Flood only have a single point from which they were spreading out, or were there multiple points?
Plus, the Flood would have been able to spread fastest along transportation corridors, enhancing their advance rate over that of “natural” terrain – in addition to leaving openings where they had not yet spread to cover but had surrounded.