Suggested by Soldier’s Shadow
Team One (Leon S. Kennedy, Jason Bourne, Sam & Dean Winchester) starts at the bottom of the map where their flag is located while Team Two (Solid Snake, Lara Croft, Jack Bauer & Frank Moses) is located on the opposite end with their flag inside the base. All characters are limited to a combat knife and M1911 handgun.
Solid Snake has no Octocamo and is in his MGS1 incarnation. We’re using Jason Bourne from the books for this fight.
Each each combatant has five re-spawns.
Match takes place on the Halo Reach Firefight map; Glacier.
Who wins?
Glacier: Full Size (Opens new Window)
Can anyone say ‘Xanatos Speed Chess, Commencing Now,’ much, Please?
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I’d say team two. The Winchesters won’t be much help from what I’ve seen of Supernatural, so that leaves Leon and Bourne. Snake is the stealthiest, followed by Bourne and Moses, and all are firearms experts (except, from what I’ve seen, the Winchesters). I assume since it says Frank Moses and not Paul Moses, we are using the movie version.
Id also have to say tem 2. They have generally stronger members. Good match, though.
I know it says they are limited to knife and m1911, but does the map have all of its weapon drops as found within the game, and should the characters be allowed to pick them up. That would make this match less gay.
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As far as who im standing with, id say team 2. Croft and Snake are so mobile (and of course they are combat experts too) so Capturing this flag goes to them
Team 2 easily…
Stop calling him Frank Moses his name is Paul Moses and him and Snake are by far the best fighters in this match up. Thus Team 2 wins. A better fight would have been Snake vs Paul Moses.
Team 2 dominates and doesn’t lose a man while slaughtering Team 1 and stealing their flag.
Snake can probably solo team 1, especially since this is Glacier (a frozen cavern 2 km below ground), everyone (cept snake) is going to be busy cuddling together so they wont freeze their ass’s off.
@Sarge
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For simplicity’s sake, let’s just say that the cold weather won’t kill everyone but Snake.
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“I know it says they are limited to knife and m1911, but does the map have all of its weapon drops as found within the game, and should the characters be allowed to pick them up. That would make this match less gay.”
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Anyone think this would even any odds?
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@midnite
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Frank Moses is the movie one, right? I was thinking that Paul Moses would be a bit much in a CQC fight with anyone on Team One save maybe Leon so I opted for Frank.
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I agree that Snake vs Paul would be a good fight.
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Leon and Lara are the most mobile ones here with Leon being the better fighter from what I’ve seen. Lara seemed to get her ass handed to her a bit whereas Leon took on Krauser fairly well up close and he’s no doubt superior to Croft. Were they to cross paths on a flag sprint, I think Leon would end her fine without back up from either team taken into consideration. Against Snake, he’d probably lose.
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Also, Bourne is a bit overlooked here it seems which I find…..surprising. He’s a pretty brutal fighter, even going by just the movies and he’s pretty damn resourceful too. Whose to say he can’t create a trap around his team’s flag that could slow Team 2 down? He’s allowed to do so.
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Personally, I think Sam and Dean would be able to take Bauer or maybe even Lara fairly well. They are said to know some form of martial arts and have shown to be pretty tough as well as resourceful. Not Snake or Moses tough but tough. Bauer’s a bit of the brawler type from what I remember of 24 and going by the last season’s Bauer, he’s a bit aged…
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I know it seems like I’m just rambling about CQC skills here but a gun’s a gun so long as it kills someone from a distance. First shot on whoever can wound or kill though then we have to go into range… Where I think Leon and Bourne would end up against Snake and Croft there.
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I’m handing this to Team Snake but if anything’s a little stompish here, I’m more than open to suggestions on how to fix it up.
“For simplicity’s sake, let’s just say that the cold weather won’t kill everyone but Snake.”
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It’ll still affect everyone and the only ones I know that have fought in extreme cold is Snake and Lara.
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“Anyone think this would even any odds?”
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It changes nothing and adds stupid weapons…
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“Leon and Lara are the most mobile ones here with Leon being the better fighter from what I’ve seen. Lara seemed to get her ass handed to her a bit whereas Leon took on Krauser fairly well up close and he’s no doubt superior to Croft. Were they to cross paths on a flag sprint, I think Leon would end her fine without back up from either team taken into consideration. Against Snake, he’d probably lose.”
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It’s cold weather though, something Lara knows well.
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“Also, Bourne is a bit overlooked here it seems which I find…..surprising. He’s a pretty brutal fighter, even going by just the movies and he’s pretty damn resourceful too. Whose to say he can’t create a trap around his team’s flag that could slow Team 2 down? He’s allowed to do so.”
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Wouldn’t Frank and Snake wouldn’t fall into a trap, I doubt Lara either, she deals with them all the time… robbing tombs.
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“I’m handing this to Team Snake but if anything’s a little stompish here, I’m more than open to suggestions on how to fix it up.”
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No, it’s done… no, don’t change the match, I hate it when people changbe the match, I mean you’ve already hindered Snake a ton.
“I agree that Snake vs Paul would be a good fight.”
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An even better fight would be Aaron Hallam vs Snake. I suggested that one a month or so ago but it hasn’t been posted yet just to get some new blood on this site.
“It’ll still affect everyone and the only ones I know that have fought in extreme cold is Snake and Lara.”
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For simplicity’s sake let’s just ignore the weather conditions…. THE OP HAS SPOKEN!
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“Wouldn’t Frank and Snake wouldn’t fall into a trap, I doubt Lara either, she deals with them all the time… robbing tombs.”
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Those three are the most suited against traps, doesn’t mean they’ll automatically be able to detect ones such as Bourne creating some sort of IED or along those lines.
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“No, it’s done… no, don’t change the match, I hate it when people changbe the match, I mean you’ve already hindered Snake a ton.”
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How’s Snake hindered…? He just lacks the Octocamo and the shit ton of weapons (just like everyone else). Snake’s gone through things stealthy before such as in MG1, MG2, MGS and MGS2 just fine without the Octocamo.
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Granted he got caught still but that’s moreso a demand of the plot at some points. He’s still the stealthiest in this environment, probably the best hand to hand fighter here and has the most experience with killing and infiltration experience, far more than Team One.
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“An even better fight would be Aaron Hallam vs Snake. I suggested that one a month or so ago but it hasn’t been posted yet just to get some new blood on this site.”
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Whose Aaron and what does he bring to the table compared to Snake?
“Whose Aaron and what does he bring to the table compared to Snake?”
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I’m the only person to see The Hunted? Well he’s a special forces soldier that went batshit cause all the things he’s seen and done and the government sent some cia agents to kill him because they were afraid he might go public. However he was too good and killed the agents so they got the guys that trained him, played by Tommy Lee Jones, to help catch him since he taught him everything he knows. At the end Tommy kills him by getting lucky since the Aaron stabbed him in the arm and had it locked in but Tommy grabbed at his throat and since the knife was slick with blood his hand slipped and Tommy ripped the knife out and stabbed him with it. I put them into a match where they have to track each other down and kill the other with a knife. No suit of course. Here’s a clip of the movie to some Creed
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Also I’m glad the Octocamo was removed since it was gay edition to the game anyway. It took all the difficulty out the game.
Aaron is armed with that sweet ass RedScorpion6 knife.
What, exactly, do the Winchesters bring to this fight? Without more feats to back them up, I’m dubious about their value.
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Other than that, since this is novel-Bourne … he can turn Moses, Bauer, and/or Croft into his bitch. He’d probably have to kill Snake instead of leaving him alive, but crippled so as to avoid a respawn.
Yeah, Octocamo definitely made most of MGS4 easier. Though on the hardest mode, it’s more realistic in how camouflage can be a life saver.
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“What, exactly, do the Winchesters bring to this fight? Without more feats to back them up, I’m dubious about their value.”
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They can take down Bauer and put up a fairly good fight with Lara. The two usually tend to work together so I’d say Lara would go down against them together and if they can get her into a hand to hand fight.
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“Other than that, since this is novel-Bourne … he can turn Moses, Bauer, and/or Croft into his bitch. He’d probably have to kill Snake instead of leaving him alive, but crippled so as to avoid a respawn.”
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Bauer and Croft he could definitely take down, probably Frank Moses also though he’s pretty strong up close and is notorious for his wet work skills though not as infamous as Bourne. And unless he’s getting the drop on him or catches him in a trap, Bourne won’t be beating Snake, especially in a direct fight.
“All characters are limited to a combat knife and M1911 handgun. ”
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Which means the only person at a disadvantage would be…Croft.
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“Solid Snake has no Octocamo and is in his MGS1 incarnation. ”
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So his super human missile dodging healthy super soldier incarnation? Against a bunch of humans?
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“We’re using Jason Bourne from the books for this fight. ”
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Anyone have feats for that?
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Over all this match is…iffy. The most agile characters and assumably the fastest (running speeds) for each team would be between Leon and Lara; my own guess (having played both franchises) putting Lara just a hair above LEon in agility.
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Then we get the guy who will likely never be seen by either side slowly crawling towards team 1′s flag…
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As much respect as I have for Sam and Dean I don’t see this going well for them either. I’d say Team 2.
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“and all are firearms experts (except, from what I’ve seen, the Winchesters). ”
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They would actually qualify as firearms experts. It’s simply a preference–primarily because of what they hunt/fight– that their guns and ammo and other peripheral weapons are very specialized. In fact a vast majority of the things they’re after scoff at guns making a Machette (Decapitation!) a much more viable option.
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“I know it says they are limited to knife and m1911, but does the map have all of its weapon drops as found within the game, and should the characters be allowed to pick them up. That would make this match less gay.”
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None of the characters have the neural link required to operate Halo weapons on any level.
Bauer could be at a disadvantage too like Croft, he’s also the least physically impressive one on Team Two so Sam and Dean could possibly be of use in taking Jack and Lara on.
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“Then we get the guy who will likely never be seen by either side slowly crawling towards team 1′s flag…”
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I agree. The only way I can see Snake being caught in this match-up would be when he’s in their side and taking their flag where whoever they leave to stand guard could spot him. Preferably Jason or Leon since Sam or Dean aren’t comparable to Snake in a fight on their own.
“Bauer could be at a disadvantage too like Croft, he’s also the least physically impressive one on Team Two so Sam and Dean could possibly be of use in taking Jack and Lara on.”
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Actually, Lara is team 2′s second most impressive person only second to Snake. Potentially second most impressive person (possibly tied with Leon) in the entire match. At least as long as we’re using Underworld incarnation since the new game isn’t out yet.
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“I agree. The only way I can see Snake being caught in this match-up would be when he’s in their side and taking their flag where whoever they leave to stand guard could spot him. Preferably Jason or Leon since Sam or Dean aren’t comparable to Snake in a fight on their own.”
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The ONLY reason Snake would fail here is if one of the “flag monkeys” (Namely Leon and Lara) with all their acrobatics and speed can get the flag and get back before the sneak-sneak tactic succeeds.
@CIDE
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I know Lara’s a fancy marksman (markswoman lulz) and a great acrobat/athlete but what about in a hand to hand skirmish? I don’t recall her really doing so well in up close fights where Sam and Dean might be able to take her.
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And yes, Underworld incarnation is in effect.
“How’s Snake hindered…? He just lacks the Octocamo and the shit ton of weapons (just like everyone else). Snake’s gone through things stealthy before such as in MG1, MG2, MGS and MGS2 just fine without the Octocamo.”
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But you see Snake typically has hammerspace taking that away is (If only slightly) hindering him. I’m not saying hes not far above the rest. The man uses missiles as stepping stones.
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In the end it’s Lara>Kennedy Snake>Bourne Moses & Bauer>The Winchesters
How does Metal Gear Solid get something as realistic as HammerSpace with them, when Halo only allows you to carry 2 weapons at a time?
If I make a suggestion make this Paul Moses and switch him from Snakes team. Then it will be fair since his ability will cancel out Snakes since he, even being a 60 year old man, matches Snake in speed and outclasses him strength.
“Then it will be fair since his ability will cancel out Snakes”
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What ability is this?
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“matches Snake in speed and outclasses him strength.”
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Strength I agree on but speed? Snake’s got some pretty good reactions considering he jumped over a helicopter launched missile.
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Also, were admin to switch Paul Moses on to Leon’s team, who would he replace?
“What ability is this?”
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Typo I mean’t abilities physically and skill wise.
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“Strength I agree on but speed? Snake’s got some pretty good reactions considering he jumped over a helicopter launched missile.”
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Well Moses is an aim dodger and is fast enough to kill a man with a gun pressed to the back of his skull by poking his eyes out. He’s also a much more brutal fighter then I’ve seen Snake to with the eye gauging and what not. Plus he’s a lot more ruthless not to mention to what I’ve observed a better shot.
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“Also, were admin to switch Paul Moses on to Leon’s team, who would he replace?”
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Give them Bourne book version. That should make things even.
“Well Moses is an aim dodger and is fast enough to kill a man with a gun pressed to the back of his skull by poking his eyes out. He’s also a much more brutal fighter then I’ve seen Snake to with the eye gauging and what not. Plus he’s a lot more ruthless not to mention to what I’ve observed a better shot.”
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He definitely sounds more brutal but Snake was always a bit of a fluid looking kind of fighter in his CQC battles. Snake doesn’t really hold back himself but Moses is definitely more ruthless.
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Snake’s pulled off long distance kills with just iron sights without a scope before as well as that scene where he beat Sniper Wolf in the Twin Snakes but then again, those were with a rifle, not a handgun. What makes you say Moses has a better shot?
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If I don’t get any more feedback on any change suggestions/opposition, I’ll request Moses and Bourne switch spots.
The problem with the team composition is that the Winchesters are largely non-entities for this fight, I figure that they can negate Croft, leaving Kennedy and Bourne to take on Bauer, Moses, and Snake.
While novel-Bourne can take Bauer and movie-Moses (not sure about the other version of Moses) simultaneously, Snake is (IIRC) partially superhuman.
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That’s in more or less straight fights.
This being CTF, however, things are different.
Team One has to be largely defensively minded, take some of Team Two’s members out of the fight, before they can make an effective move against Team Two’s flag. This is largely because Team One is effectively outnumbered.
Team Two can afford to open out offensively minded.
It’s simpler for Team Two’s composition to generate a win, and a Team Two win will usually come faster than a Team One win would come.
Unless this is the Winchesters with demonic blood high Sam, they seem pretty unless in this match. They good shoots but not much else.
Honestly, I don’t think Bauer’s too much of a threat to Bourne or Leon. The Winchesters could probably take him just fine, they do work together a lot.
@Kytheros
Don’t forget RE4 was like a giant capture the flag with Ashley being the flag against an army of inhuman and well beyond human beings. He’s also above average in skill and is very good with a knife in both CQC (the interactive cutscene with Krauser) and the scene where he threw the knife and hit Salazars relatively small hand. Leon may not be as strong as Snake but he’s dealt with stronger.
I meant Leon overall sorry,
www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3raLq4f_LQ
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“Snake’s pulled off long distance kills with just iron sights without a scope before as well as that scene where he beat Sniper Wolf in the Twin Snakes but then again, those were with a rifle, not a handgun.”
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Um… No, he didn’t. He is clearly looking down the scope. Just saying… Actually, I’m going to drive home a point about this. PROVE YOUR CLAIMS! People have been getting very lackadaisical about this and they are getting sloppy. Just saying so and so did something doesn’t make it true and there are cases that people get the details wrong. Post Proof!
I agree, show evidence to prove claims, and since I’ll look hypocritical if I don’t.
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G1GODJfk3rk here’s the first video of the knife throw I could find, there’s also a scene of player induced death but it still stands he can throw the knife accurately.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=39HkecWiQUI
and the knife fight where he holds his own with a augmented killer commando aka Krauser
“Don’t forget RE4 was like a giant capture the flag with Ashley being the flag against an army of inhuman and well beyond human beings. He’s also above average in skill and is very good with a knife in both CQC (the interactive cutscene with Krauser) and the scene where he threw the knife and hit Salazars relatively small hand. Leon may not be as strong as Snake but he’s dealt with stronger.”
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And Snake has dealt with stronger than anything Leon has even thought of… Not sure what you’re
trying to prove with this Red Herring…
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“I agree, show evidence to prove claims, and since I’ll look hypocritical if I don’t.
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=G1GODJfk3rk here’s the first video of the knife throw I could find, there’s also a scene of player induced death but it still stands he can throw the knife accurately.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=39HkecWiQUI
and the knife fight where he holds his own with a augmented killer commando aka Krauser”
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What is this supposed to prove? He’s still outmatched by Snake, I think Moses too. But if it comes to a competition of throwing knives at midget’s hands… I’m sure Leon will have a good chance.
Oh, I’m not saying Kennedy is bad – far from it. I’m saying that even as good as he is, and even as good as novel-Bourne is, the Winchesters aren’t up to snuff (at least, insofar as I am aware), leaving things largely up to Bourne and Kennedy to provide a victory, and in that event, they have to focus on neutralizing Team Two before they can safely go for the flag, while Team Two can safely go for the flag before neutralizing Kennedy and Bourne.
@ZomB
if he can hit that midgets hand he can hit a persons heart, theres more than enough blade to accomplish that. and the fight shows he’s no slouch in close quarters, Krauser is far beyond human in that fight very far beyond it he’s just not in his transformed state. It basically shows that Leon is capable of holding his own and helping his team succeed. and I wasn’t saying Snake hasn’t fought stronger people than Leon has I’m saying Leon has fought people that were stronger than Snake.
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I said he pulled off kills before with just iron sights before as well as that scene that you just posted.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1UeiOWCDaM&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
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This was the scene I meant with the iron sights.
Dean and Sam Winchester are firearm experts. They are one of the few characters on this list who have fought and killed begins as powerful as archangels and demons. You guys seem to have the same fault most villains in Supernatural do: they underestimate the Winchesters and end up killed by the Winchesters later on. Dean has been trained in the ways of stealth, weaponry, and combat since he was four and Sam since he was six months old.
If Team 1 has novel-Bourne I am not sure anything in the world could stop him.
“They are one of the few characters on this list who have fought and killed begins as powerful as archangels and demons. You guys seem to have the same fault most villains in Supernatural do: they underestimate the Winchesters and end up killed by the Winchesters later on.”
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Winchesters tend to do their best when they’ve had a chance to study up on the opposition and tend to have their kryptonite on hand. Here they don’t have the prep, aren’t as peak human as the rest of the characters, and none of them have a specific weakness(iron, binding circles, salt, etc).
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Though their saving grace is that they are pretty good shots
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgVpK6r7JT4&feature=related
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@mrswinchester24 – Problem is, nobody’s really come forward with specifics on the Winchester’s and their abilities, skills, and feats. As such, as someone who doesn’t know a whole lot about them, I (and everyone else) have to evaluate things on what we do know while asking for more information on them at the same time. As far as I know, they’re fundamentally standard humans (without any special abilities) who fight non-natural creatures regularly. There’s also a difference in approaches when dealing with supernatural creatures and when dealing with other humans.
It’s entirely possible that, as you say, they’re being undervalued and are sufficiently good/competent to handle more than just one of Team Two – if the Winchesters can counter two of Team Two’s members (probably Bauer, Croft, and/or Moses(assuming it is still the movie one)), leaving Bourne and Kennedy without the numerical disadvantage I think they currently have to overcome, this match would definitely go to Team One, assuming novel-Bourne (assuming movie-Bourne, it’s more difficult to call in that instance).
“This was the scene I meant with the iron sights.”
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Which is clearly within 30 meters for the entire range. That is not a long range shot.
Compare and contrast 1:09 of your video to 0:54 of this video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwGZdiUNejM
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That is a target at 50 meters.
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THIS is what long range shooting with iron sights looks like. What Snake did was not this:
@Dr. Lowk McNinj True, but it is safe to assume Dean and Sam would not have to do research on how to kill a human
@Kytheros: This is from Wikipedia
Sam is a skilled fighter, proficient with firearms, shotguns and melee weapons. Like his brother Dean, he possesses many abilities that are frowned upon by law, including but not limited to: lock picking, computer hacking, disguised conning, and car jacking. He also displays the ability to read one’s “poker face” and find his way out of many complicated situations. He also has a great sense of direction and time, at one point being able to find a vampire’s nest while blindfolded by keeping track of the time and the turns of the car.
At his peak Sam could: Sam exhibits signs of precognition throughout the series and telekinesis once.By drinking demon blood Sam’s power become stronger, to the point where he can outright kill demons and even torture them while in their human hosts; by drinking at least three gallons of demon blood, he can kill demons just by closing his eyes
Dean is well-versed with multiple types of firearms; he prefers his Colt 1911 and sawed-off shotgun, but is proficient with most other weapons he might acquire. An expert marksman, he seldom misses his intended target and can efficiently put down anything vulnerable to bullets. As shown in the episode “Frontierland” where he shoots down a phoenix with one shot. Dean is adept with martial arts and knife fighting as well; he has subdued several human assailants with ease in multiple episodes and bested physically more powerful creatures, often unarmed or equipped with only a blade (note: Sam has done this also). In “The Magnificent Seven,” he fought and held off several demons by himself, armed only with a flask of holy water.Highly resourceful, he frequently utilizes improvised weapons and explosive devices; in “Croatoan,” he demonstrated knowledge in chemistry constructing Molotov cocktails and improvised explosive devices, and in “Phantom Traveler,” he revealed knowledge of electronics and reverse engineering, having built an electromagnetic field detector from an old Walkman radio. He is versed with how police, fire departments and various government agencies (FBI, CDC) typically operate and conduct investigations, and knows how to both impersonate and evade them effectively (note: Sam can also). Dean is a virtuoso of escape, evasion and silent movement, when the situation requires subtlety and stealth. Lastly, he is skillful in: lock picking, breaking into security systems (not so much computers, which often falls to Sam), carjacking and gaining an ‘advantageous purchase’ comes naturally to him. Due to his time spent in Hell as Alistair’s “student,” Dean has an in-depth knowledge of torture.
No Wikipedia:
Also, on a daily basis they kill things faster and stronger than humans and that often have powers that range from transportation, telekinesis, with a blink of an eye can give stage four stomach cancer and take away your lungs, time travel, transfer from body to body, and kill angels with a snap of their fingers. Also, Dean and Sam are usually outnumbered. No human has ever given them a challenge in a fight on the show.
They were chosen vessels of Lucifer and Michael (the top archangel) because their human bodies were strong enough to contain them without deteriorating.
In addition, Sam was seen cutting a bullet out of his chest and sowing it back up and I would not be surprised if Dean could also. Dean escaped from a monster infected hospital with a broken leg and drugged (he couldn’t even see straight).
Sam scored a 174 on his LSAT meaning he’s EXTREMELY intelligent.
Here’s a list of things they have killed:
Ghost (varying powers/sizes/number)
Windego
Vampire
Zombie (including hyperadrenalized human-zombie)
Demon (including Azazel, Alistar, Lillith, and stopped Lucifer)
Angels (including Zachariah, Uriel, Archangel Raphael, and stopped Michael)
Striga
Various gods and goddesses
Shapeshifter
Immortal Man (they buried him w/o a fresh heart)
Reapers (stopped various times and bound Death)
People (including a family who hunted humans for generations: have defeated but not killed multiple police at once, various government workers while handcuffed, security guards, other hunters (in some cases killed here), etc….)
Tulpa
Rakshasa
Djinn
Witches
Demigod
Werewolf
Changelings
Curses
Psychics
Mother of all Evil (not kidding)
Jefferson Starships (not kidding again)
Rugaru
Siren
Ghoul
All 4 Horsemen
Wraith
Whore of Babylon
Fae creatures
Dragons
Arachne
Nameless worm creature which possessed people
One of the Fates
Phoenix
Kitsune
I think they can handle humans no matter how good they are. If they can handle all this it’s fair to assume they can handle humans (and they have multiple times on the show).
If anyone has questions about the Winchesters I know the answer
“I know Lara’s a fancy marksman (markswoman lulz) and a great acrobat/athlete but what about in a hand to hand skirmish? I don’t recall her really doing so well in up close fights where Sam and Dean might be able to take her. ”
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MIGHT. They were really only impressive with PIS in play. Other times they seem to lack any semlance of training and rely on brawling that gets them needlessly hurt.
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“In the end it’s Lara>Kennedy Snake>Bourne Moses & Bauer>The Winchesters”
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I disagree with that. Putting it at: Snake>Lara (Agility only)> Kennedy > Moses > Bourne (movie version as I don’t know books) > Winchesters.
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“If I make a suggestion make this Paul Moses and switch him from Snakes team. Then it will be fair since his ability will cancel out Snakes since he, even being a 60 year old man, matches Snake in speed and outclasses him strength.”
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Surpassing Snake in strength…? And matching him in speed? Since when?
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“Unless this is the Winchesters with demonic blood high Sam, they seem pretty unless in this match. They good shoots but not much else.”
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Unlike the other psychic children Sam was incapable of using his psi powers on anything other than a demon.
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“And Snake has dealt with stronger than anything Leon has even thought of… Not sure what you’re
trying to prove with this Red Herring…”
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Mook vs Mook the two universes are relatively close. With Leon relying more on combat than Snake does (since he has the sneaking option). Despite the difference in “power” between enemies it took Leon considerably more combat prowess to defeat the enemies he faced. Canonically Leon only had a 9mm pistol and his knife throughout the entirety of RE4 and for most of the movie whereas Snake could lazily blow up giant mechs from afar.
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Physical ability still goes to Snake overall though.
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“They are one of the few characters on this list who have fought and killed begins as powerful as archangels and demons. You guys seem to have the same fault most villains in Supernatural do: they underestimate the Winchesters and end up killed by the Winchesters later on.”
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PIS and none of it really matters without feats.
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As much as I love the series and the characters the brothers have killed things they should not have been able to kill regardless of skill.
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“Winchesters tend to do their best when they’ve had a chance to study up on the opposition and tend to have their kryptonite on hand. Here they don’t have the prep, aren’t as peak human as the rest of the characters, and none of them have a specific weakness(iron, binding circles, salt, etc).”
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This too. THe Mechanics of the Supernatural-verse works in Sam and Dean’s favor
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@Cide
I agree, Snake has the better physical ability, but Leon is canonically better at putting it to use in a face to face fight, and he’s not a slouch on breaking out of sneak attacks when the infected attempted it. Also he’s used to the limited capabilities of his weaponry Snake isn’t as used to that. There’s a difference between having the skill and using the skill to great effect.
And also Bourne is possibly the best at avoiding getting caught and killing the guy trying to catch him. give him the job of getting the enemy flag and they’ll be hard pressed to get it back from him., I wonder what would happen if the match was changed to have Nathan Drake instead of the Winchesters give us a treasure hunter to go against Lara? Not saying we do that but it would be interesting.
or I guess I should say only have one of the Winchesters, and have Drake, or Drake and Sully from the games. Either way.
Lol SGCombine I thought you were suggesting lara and snake Cuddling
It would be a shutout for team one. 2 would win easily, considering all the best fighters are in team 2 and they are the better survival experts. Jason is the only one who could hold his own in team one and last the night(even in this cold climate). I don’t know to much about the others but I do know thet Snake and Croft are fighting experts, weapons experts, and all time survivalists who can kick anybodys butt to kingdom come. Snake would be using stealth to pick off his opponents, whith knife or gun, and to steal the flag, well Croft might travel a different path towards the flag with one of the other guys, doing some incredible stunts to pass inaccessible areas and use whatever of her tools, and her partner to reach the flag without coming to close to it. Her grappeling hook might come in use here. The freezing weather would slow down and halt the progress and movement, as well as destroy the will power to fight, of team 1 well team 2, being used to harsh conditions, would-like ninjas-use the adversaries bad luck to their good fortune.
I can see team 2 deriving some tricks as well.
Practically, fires to distract, landmines to gaurd the flag.
What movie is Moses off of? His face is quite familiar.
And where did you get that Lara croft picture from? I don’t remember that being off the movie? I like it tho.
If RE6 is taken into acount, then this match up can be in favor of Team 1, cuz Leon got way better then he was in RE4.
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That will open the doors to victory to Leon and Bourne & somehow The Winchester.
Anyone agree?
Sorry for the third post.
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Here are some feats of Leon from RE6.
Leon figthing against Simmons (Who is far more powerfull then Wesker and other villians in the RE series), the Battle have 3 parts, here there are:
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGqf5nDPTVc
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=sITXH7s4uhg
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu5L3FEGt1o
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Theres a another feat for Leon that is him resisting figthing off Chris Refield that is by far strong enough to punch throw a huge boulder, Chris is stronger then the people on team 2 (Sorry for sounding like a fanboy) and Leon can dish that out, heres the scene were leon and Chris figth it out:
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxTh68PQpVg
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Im still giving this match up to Team 1.
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Just cuz Team 1 have Leon and Bourne, that are the best what they do, Bourne is a beast in the books, Leon is Beast super agent.
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I see this match like this (Dont take it seriosly, thats my opinion from the research I been making):
Leon – Bourne>>> Snake >>>>>Lara Croft >Moses & Bauer>The Winchesters.
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Team one for the win.
, As I see it team 1 has the edge. Leon, and bourne attack while The winchesters guard the flag. The winchesters can devise some pretty nasty traps
Here are some feats of Leon from RE6.
Leon figthing against Simmons (Who is far more powerfull then Wesker and other villians in the RE series), the Battle have 3 parts, here there are:
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGqf5nDPTVc
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=sITXH7s4uhg
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu5L3FEGt1o
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Theres a another feat for Leon that is him resisting figthing off Chris Refield that is by far strong enough to punch throw a huge boulder, Chris is stronger then the people on team 2 (Sorry for sounding like a fanboy) and Leon can dish that out, heres the scene were leon and Chris figth it out:
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxTh68PQpVg
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Im still giving this match up to Team 1.
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Just cuz Team 1 have Leon and Bourne, that are the best what they do, Bourne is a beast in the books, Leon is Beast super agent.
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I see this match like this (Dont take it seriosly, thats my opinion from the research I been making):
Leon – Bourne>>> Snake >>>>>Lara Croft >Moses & Bauer>The Winchesters.
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Team one for the win.