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Suggested by the people at the Adventure Time Vs Regular Show
A universe battle pitting the Cartoon Network Cartoons that premiered in 1993-2001 against those that premiered in 2002 and after. To save time, it will be based on shows that are considered their original series. Every universe will have everything they ever had (excluding cameos, spinoffs and crossovers with the other side).
Will the old shows we grew up with defeat the shows the next generation are growing up with? Or is nostalgia blinding us from seeing their eventual defeat?
EDIT: Specific rules: All the shows that were created as Cartoon Network originals (and ONLY Cartoon Network Originals) will go against each other.
There will be two sides, the Old Generation and the New Generation.
The Old Generation are shows that were made before 2001, and the New Generation after that. (As said, because that would give both sides the same amount of shows created by Craig McCracken and Genndy Tartakovsky, the two responsible for CN’s success)
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There will be a month of preparation time, to ensure plans and strategies are made but not enough that new technologies and spells are created.
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Reality warping is allowed only at small scale, that is to say, no blinking the enemy out of existence or time travel. For those characters with Plot Device as their main weapon, (Anodites and Megas) use best judgement of what they can conceivably do.
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Most Recent Incarnation, or most recent incarnation before death/incapacitation. (Ben 10 will be as he was in his most recent episode, and same with other characters.)
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Well the Samurai Jack Universe has a lot of monsters, and even Dexter and PPG are pretty top-notch.
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I’ll give initial bets to the oldies(older at least), but my lack of knowledge on both sides kind of prevents a solid answer right now.
Although, the whole SW universe seems like it could be an issue.
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Is Megas XLR on either side, I know he debuted in that Cartoon Network summer contest, I just don’t remember the year.
The newer generation also have their share of monsters: Ben 10, Generator Rex, Symbionic Titan…
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I also linked to the Article so you can find the date it premiered on. Megas is considered new.
Okay, from the wiki — Megas’ pilot was in 2002 during the summer cartoon contest thing, but the series debut wasn’t until 04. So… who gets them?
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I may actually withdraw my cuff bet lol, because I know CN had a lot of anime-ish shows like Bobobo on within the last 6 years.
Best battle ever. Of all time. OK, so the new guys get fosters which will most likely prove a challenge (that psycho girl who imagines crap every 5 seconds=endless troop supply) but Jack alone would probably outlast that… Does AS count for the newwies? If it does, they have Inuyasha, Bleach, One Piece, etc.
@Knights of Rammstein
Assemble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*takes full advantage of the blood knight’s helmet still stuck in the head until further notice*
Now where do we begin on the battle plans we gathered?
Caution is to be advised in regards to Adventure Time’s heaviest hitters, such as Marceline and her ‘father’, for instance, but it should be nothing that insane firepower can’t keep down, at least for a while until we can find better weaknesses to hit them with.
Are the Urban rangers ready?
@Cross
You were involved in the creation of this battle, correct? Was AS involved in the blueprints?
@Bardian
Its still being considered to be determined, but in the meantime it looks like beings along the lines of Dimentio finally took advantage of the situation regarding the 90% of the current C.N staff and may have…persuaded some segment of that 90% or another, actually.
New age has ben 10?
New age wins.
Dexter may be smart but he isn’t rebuiding planets, and when you have entire universe of omipotents and multi-galactic empires bearing down on you everything gets successively worse.
And thats just Ben 10.
It was already agreed that very limited amounts of space-time manipulation effects would be permitted to both sides, so Side A gets Time Squad dudes(not just the 3 best known dudes, either!) if Side B gets Professor Parallax!
Also, we already worked out the fact that no god!-tier beings are to have direct involvement in the fighting, otherwise the Gods would have a brutally dragged out fight with the Alien X’s and Anodites out there, that would have no real conclusion!
Did i recall that right, Master Sarge?
@Master Sarge
You do recall our various fighting plans just for this campaign, right?
Equipping the K.N.D and/or Urban Rangers with Multi-blessed!-Chemical X-enhanced Battlesuits, for one thing, anyone?
Where does Tom & Jerry fall? Cause they’re invincible. Why? Because they just are. They’ll “solo” everybody!! HA!
Anyone recall that episode of Dexter’s Laboratory that showed us how Eastern Asia(Japan in particular) has a lot of Giant Robot Pilots and even has a whole School or two of such pilots, as well?
Plus that Axe-crazy monster that got released by Dexter, as well.
Tom and Jerry would be Old-Gen, here, pretty much, Doc.
If the AS characters involved we have alot to work with … I mean Robot Chicken alone … My Lil Apocalypse Ponys … and cant forget ATHF
All oldies included means they get their hands on the power puff girls series. The power puff girls and rowdy ruff boys function almost like mini super men with more powers. And if the rowdy ruff boys creation is any indication the process can be recreated.
Now we have to see what we can do to modify the secret weapons involving the Amoeba boyz that Master Sarge G.B, Captain Xeno Dimentio and myself have been discussing.
Anyone remembered when they multiplied, once?
Anyone remember those little robot things in power puff girls, that came down with rain and ate everybody’s clothes, cars, houses etc?
They are a bit of help right?
@Doc Twinky
Given what we’re up against and how every second will count while the end results from each second will matter, they’re gonna have to be, in order to help us get some time, here!
Wonder how we can modify those tiny micro-scopic robots, for that matter, to be of more use than just to buy time.
“Okay, from the wiki — Megas’ pilot was in 2002 during the summer cartoon contest thing, but the series debut wasn’t until 04. So… who gets them?”
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“…against those that premiered in 2002 and after.” Either way you slice it, Megas is on the new side.
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Does AS count for the newwies? If it does, they have Inuyasha, Bleach, One Piece, etc.
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No, and neither does Toonami. It’s pretty much solely the CN Originals.
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Where does Tom & Jerry fall? Cause they’re invincible. Why? Because they just are. They’ll “solo” everybody!! HA!
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Tom and Jerry would be Old-Gen, here, pretty much, Doc.
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That’s why I stuck with those considered CN originals. Because despite Tom and Jerry being old, they are still on the current CN.
@Officer AkumaTh
Looks like its fridge brilliance to consider when you managed to get the images you got for both sides(since Gennedy worked on all the shows shown on that particular end resulting image!) actually, did i get it right?
P.S: Thanks for posting the match, and sorry your original planning thread got deleted a few weeks ago, back at the topia that Captain Xeno Dimentio had to reboot it!
Ohoohohoho! Get ready for the mother of all Samurai Jack wanks! Now I just got to put it together.
See you all in several hours.
@Master Sarge
Give them nothing, but take from them, EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SEMPER MEMOR
ALWAYS REMEMBERED
AGITATIS, DOMINITIS, NON PRAESTATIS!
HARRASS THEM, DOMINATE THEM, NO REST FOR THEM!
Mojojojo is a misunderstood monkey. He’s actually a very nice little monkey and doesn’t really want to destroy the human race. If only they knew…..
@Twink
And now that monkey gets to team up with Dexter, Mandark, and Exdor and express his frustration by building monstrous machines of war!
Exactly!
I knew you guys would understand.
I think one deciding factor would be who gets the Justice League? Because Superman………… well you get my point.
Another solid point is who gets Grim, from The Grim adventures of Billy and Mandy? He was literally the grim reaper! He is DEATH!
Oldies have a invincible mouse….They cant loose?
@Broad
Old Era have Grim Adventures as their cut off point I believe.
Justice league isn’t a participant are they? And AkumaTh, we are using T&J and Star Wars for this?
@AkumaTh
On the Gods and Anodites, could it perhaps be done so that both sides can directly fight, but can only use certain powers (like the gods only using their particular weapons and Eye beams, and Anodites only having access to their most basic powers.)? Because that would be pretty epic to see
“Justice League is an American animated television series about a team of superheroes which ran from 2001 to 2004 on Cartoon Network.”
“Justice League Unlimited debuted on July 31, 2004 on Toonami and ended with the episode aired May 13, 2006.”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League_Unlimited
DILEMMA! can the JL fight the JLU!!!!????!!!
CN Real gets the balls beat out of it by Mojojojo alone.
@Broad
But JL and its others are not CN Originals, and therefore cannot be used.
“I think one deciding factor would be who gets the Justice League? Because Superman………… well you get my point.”
Justice league isn’t a Cartoon Network original, Side B gets Young Justice though….
The oldies get the Transformers series…that provides quite a bit of power and tech… The new CN gets code name kids next door..and they pretty much made whatever weapon they felt like…out of bathroom utensils non the less.. But honestly the Power Puff Girls? Can you beat them?
@MacB
A tag-team of Him, Fuzzy, and Mojo working together were able to several times, and would have kept doing so had PIS not been in play.
And then Grim teleports them all to Valhalla and they fight and feast for all eternity, the end. (lol)
New Age wins. static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/ContextSensitiveButton5_1317.jpg
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As you can see, Megas can just retcon everyone that opposes him…
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/thread.
@Assassin
Hey, Valhalla is canon in Grim Adventures and Samurai Jack, so I don’t see why not.
@itchey
side B gets teen titans too, right?
@Lowk
In another situation, I would wholeheartedly agree with you.
Hey, hey hey… if we cant get Justice Leauge than Side B shouldnt get Star Wars or Teen Titains, or Transformers (PS although the justice league is a comic it DID air as an animated show on Cartoon Network before it did anywhere else)
@Broadwine
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New Age doesn’t need any of those to win, Megas is a Deus Ex Machina with a retcon button(Literally) Theres no beating him, I don’t see why it’s debated eveb.
“It was already agreed that very limited amounts of space-time manipulation effects would be permitted to both sides”
Of course, I should have seen this in the description.
Team 1 get’s shot from space, like five people survive and the rest get’s magic’d by Discord.
“Another solid point is who gets Grim, from The Grim adventures of Billy and Mandy? He was literally the grim reaper! He is DEATH!”
…who got power strip’d by laywers.
He’s hardly imposing. People can run from him.
Fuck, the only way this would drag on is if Grim decides on not doing his job, which is exactly how he lost his powers in the first place.
“Of course, I should have seen this in the description.”
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I lol’d
Wait star wars is apart of new generation too? In that case Paradox teleports people of into starships let SW forces blanket the planet in a death rain of lasers then have the incursions finish up by blowing up the planet.
I don’t get how Megas XLR doesn’t stomp this in 2002+’s favor.
I feel as though a number of these are cartoon characters that have never died, and if they died im sure they managed to find a way to come back to life…im not really sure what the Retcon button is capable off…but im sure their are some that would survive…example Jerry..
And Megas just retcons him into non-existence.
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/thread.
IIRC Ben Ten had a reality warper in Ben’s little watch thing.
“IIRC Ben Ten had a reality warper in Ben’s little watch thing.”
Alien X, He is also apparently 1/4 of creatures that do so as well on a lesser scale. Though only his future self can do that so far.
@Lowk and CIDE
Full Scale reality Warping is banned in this fight I believe. And there is only one form per character, at their most recent incarnation before death or incapacitation.
Unless AkumaTh changed the rules.
if toonami is included we get DBZ and some gundams (I know wing is there for a fact if anyone can remember the other gundam series that were on cartoon network around 2001 that would be awesome)
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also does adult swim count as 2002-present? if so then we would have issues
“And there is only one form per character, at their most recent incarnation before death or incapacitation.”
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Ben 10000 and alternate Bens have shown the ability to cross into the others dimension and across time to meet the current Ben in canon. Which is why they should be capable of entering this fight.
@Dr. Lowk Wouldn’t that be breaking the limited reality warping that has been placed on this fight?
@Lancer
Sadly, Toonami is not a participant here.
@Lowk
Basically what MacB said.
“Wouldn’t that be breaking the limited reality warping that has been placed on this fight?”
Well it’s been stated they have all characters in the fight. Since those alternate Ben and Ben 10000 have shown as part of the canon series they would be allowed here right?
They wouldn’t need to be breaking the limited reality warping since they would, like the rest of the cartoon new generation; be part of the fight from the beginning.
Wait, wouldn’t Ben 10000 be the most recent incarnation of Standard Ben(original/alien force/Ultimate Alien)?
@Lowk
One of the Rules that I think were devised said that each character can only have one form of themselves. One Ben, for his latest incarnation.
@Lowk
By “Latest” I mean, the last he’s been shown in the most recent episode. So unless the last Ben 10 episode shows 10,000, we need to stick with the last shown.
Cast in the name of god, ye not guilty
Wouldnt dbz rape the shitfuck out of the new shows?
Looks like its fridge brilliance to consider when you managed to get the images you got for both sides(since Gennedy worked on all the shows shown on that particular end resulting image!) actually, did i get it right?
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Close. Gennedy worked on 4 of the 6 shows. The other two (PPG and Fosters) were by Craig McCracken, Husband to Lauren Faust who wrote and directed both shows as well as created the newest incarnation to another animated show.
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I think one deciding factor would be who gets the Justice League? Because Superman………… well you get my point.
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Neither side. Justice League, Superman the Animated Series, Young Justice, Teen Titans and Batman: The Brave and the Bold are not part of this.
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Justice league isn’t a participant are they? And AkumaTh, we are using T&J and Star Wars for this?
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T&J? As for Star Wars, only the animated version of the Clone Wars. Not the movies, extended universes or the CGI Clone Wars.
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Justice league isn’t a Cartoon Network original, Side B gets Young Justice though….
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No they don’t. It’s not considered a CN Original.
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Full Scale reality Warping is banned in this fight I believe. And there is only one form per character, at their most recent incarnation before death or incapacitation.
Unless AkumaTh changed the rules.
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No changing of the rules. Exactly as you said here.
@AkumaTh
Oh, by T&J we mean Tom and Jerry, our favorite non-Megas walking no-limits fallacies.
Still, New Gen gets Durge and his epic laugh.
What say you on the Jackverse Gods? Can they use their various weapons (Odin’s spear, Ra’s Scepter, and Vishnu’s Bow)?
And what incarnation of Ben 10 do we use here?
“One of the Rules that I think were devised said that each character can only have one form of themselves. One Ben, for his latest incarnation.”
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Sot would mean Eon would be excluded just because he’s Evil Ben, despite the fact he is a villain of the series.
I could understand getting rid of the extra Bens eon controlled(not much is known about them) and future Ben. However Eon, Alternate Ben 10000, and Evil Kevin 11,000 are there own characters within the series which doesn’t much make sense to get rid of them if all charaters are in this.
Are Devlin Levin and Ken Tennyson also barred from the match?
As far as i can gather, new generations have nothing that can even come close to dbz, i mean come on gokus power level is OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!
“And what incarnation of Ben 10 do we use here?”
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Current incarnation right?
I don’t know about team B being so well off. PPG are pretty awesome, and they do speed blitz occasionally, and they are fast enough to travel through time with raw speed. I’m fairly certain that an episode where they went into space pretty much showed they could hit FTL as well.
Wow, these are some damn convoluted rules.
@Lowk
I’m not all to sure. I mean, if one of them is a villain he might be included, but then we would have to include all of the different versions of EVERY villain of both eras. AkumaTh can probably make the official ruling.
@ZomB
Well, we had to think of a way to do this without it becoming a quickdraw between which side’s reality warpers could erase the other team from existence first. So yes, it is rather complictated.
“I don’t know about team B being so well off. PPG are pretty awesome, and they do speed blitz occasionally, and they are fast enough to travel through time with raw speed. I’m fairly certain that an episode where they went into space pretty much showed they could hit FTL as well.”
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Forgot about the ridiculous speed of the PPG.Do you remember if they needed spacesuit or not?
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I remember Verdona saying something about anodites traveling the universe helping people. And with the exception of gwen(chooses not to go full anodite yet) they don’t seem to use ships. Would that also mean they have FTL speeds?
Waiting for the rules to be written out, cause this match seems like BS right about now.
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“PPG are pretty awesome, and they do speed blitz occasionally, and they are fast enough to travel through time with raw speed.”
Fo’ Realz?
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“I’m fairly certain that an episode where they went into space pretty much showed they could hit FTL as well.”
I remember they went to the moon one time, and taveled into space durring the movie.
“Well, we had to think of a way to do this without it becoming a quickdraw between which side’s reality warpers could erase the other team from existence first. So yes, it is rather complictated.”
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Cartoons are pretty much about reality warping, you’ve basically got rid of half of the entire shows. Whose to say how far it goes? Can Megas use the “10 Minutes Left” button to auto-win? Or the “RETCON” button? If he can’t you’ll always have people saying “It’s only because you rigged the rules” if team 2002 wins, and to be fair, you kinda did. There is no clear definition even with which to judge, you just have people saying things aren’t allowed because they warp reality too much.
“Waiting for the rules to be written out, cause this match seems like BS right about now.”
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Guess I could’ve shortened my last post to pretty much this. Though my issues with this match go beyond that, it’d definitely be a start.
@Lowk
Maybe Zerg-style Portalling?
@ZomB
Can it not be fought using more mundane methods of combat?
“Can it not be fought using more mundane methods of combat?”
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That’s like saying “I just spent two thousand dollars on fireworks, and now I’m going to throw them in the river!”
“Maybe Zerg-style Portalling?”
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I do believe teleporting and dimensional travel being among there list of powers. So maybe.
This match cannot be won. Even if there was a fire. Cartoons are so hard to do because the writers dont have to appeal to the sense of realism that older audineces will want, so they can pull any act of Deus Ex Machina they want aka Retcon Button
Well…Shit.
“Well…Shit”
Couldnt of said it better myself
“This match cannot be won. Even if there was a fire. Cartoons are so hard to do because the writers dont have to appeal to the sense of realism that older audineces will want, so they can pull any act of Deus Ex Machina they want aka Retcon Button”
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True, but I believe that’s why the rules of no uber reality bending and such have been placed, that way a debate can happen. Though I think that the rules should indeed be written in the description so that there isn’t any confusion as to what is and what isn’t allowed.
@Random
Me, Hermit, and Cross had produced a rudimentary set of guidelines for the match covering most of these things. I wonder why AkumaTh didn’t include them?
Still, I think this can be debated. Both sides have plenty of non-buster forces that can be used. Why don’t some of the New Gen supporters try listing out their other forces?
“True, but I believe that’s why the rules of no uber reality bending and such have been placed, that way a debate can happen.”
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A debate can happen about anything, doesn’t mean that said debate could reach a conclusion.
Oh, by T&J we mean Tom and Jerry, our favorite non-Megas walking no-limits fallacies.
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Ah. They’re not included. CN originals only.
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What say you on the Jackverse Gods? Can they use their various weapons (Odin’s spear, Ra’s Scepter, and Vishnu’s Bow)?
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I don’t see why not.
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And what incarnation of Ben 10 do we use here?
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Most recent incarnation.
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As far as i can gather, new generations have nothing that can even come close to dbz, i mean come on gokus power level is OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!
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CN originals only. Too boot, DBZ is technically Nickelodeon now.
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I’m not all to sure. I mean, if one of them is a villain he might be included, but then we would have to include all of the different versions of EVERY villain of both eras. AkumaTh can probably make the official ruling.
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Pretty much, an alternate has to work like Scourge from Archie Sonic: despite being an alternate is completely different from the original. So if this Evil Ben is compeltely different down to the look (though the only similarity is the powers) than he could be included. If not, the one incarnation rule.
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Do you remember if they needed spacesuit or not?
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No, the PPG don’t. I’ve seen them in space numerous times without suits.
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Though I think that the rules should indeed be written in the description so that there isn’t any confusion as to what is and what isn’t allowed.
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Okay, which post has the rules and I’ll update the post with the official rules.
@AkumaTh
Let me track them down for you.
All the shows that were created as Cartoon Network originals (and ONLY Cartoon Network Originals) will go against each other.
There will be two sides, the Old Generation and the New Generation.
The Old Generation are shows that were made before 2004, and the New Generation after that.
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There will be a month of preparation time, to ensure plans and strategies are made but not enough that new technologies and spells are created.
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Reality warping is allowed only at small scale, that is to say, no blinking the enemy out of existence or time travel. For those characters with Plot Device as their main weapon, (Anodites and Megas) use best judgement of what they can conceivably do.
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Most Recent Incarnation, or most recent incarnation before death/incapacitation. (Ben 10 will be as he was in his most recent episode, and same with other characters.)
There, that should hopefully help clear it up.
if dbz is unallowed then back to my previous statement, cast in the name of god, ye not guilty
also there’s the power of beard for the oldies
also they have space ghost, and harvey birdman, and the KND
wait people above are saying new gets KND but KND began in the oldies timeframe…
Cosgrove pulls up and tells both sides to cut it out.
Battle resolved.
@Doc and Master Sarge
Aren’t the K.N.D forces and their usual!-enemies in Adults in general with the Old-Gen side, though?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1OzGCEEZxU
Couple of FTL feats in there for team 1
Woohoo, we got it up!
I go for Old generation. Their shows were better to watch, plus they had Looney Tunes!
@Michael and Chuck
For once, even the usually not-always-agreeable among us are working together!!!!!
Now what say you we take the clone-satires of Galactus and the Silver Surfer and see what else they can really do, for our forces, shall we?
Welp, looks like I’ll get to post my Samurai Jack Wankpost after all!
Amazing how this got nearly a hundred replies just from people trying to decide if this could be debated.
@Master Sarge
You can say that again, and now that the rules are finally gathered and its up to Officer AkumaTh to gather the basic rules we’ve been working out for months with, we can actually begin this debate in earnest!