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Here comes Magnus the Red of Warhammer 40K making his debut on FactPile going up against none other than Dr Strange from Marvel.
Will reality accidentally get broken here?
Who would win?
Suggested by itcheyness
Here comes Magnus the Red of Warhammer 40K making his debut on FactPile going up against none other than Dr Strange from Marvel.
Will reality accidentally get broken here?
Who would win?
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What a coincidence. Me, Commander Cross, and Gluttonous Behemoth were just discussing Magnus.
A Warhammer Primarch against a Veteran Sorcerer.
Let the destruction begin.
And Dr. Strange is from Marvel, not DC.
@Hermit – Thanks! Updated!
*Takes long note at how powerful both sides actually are*
If anyone needs me, i’ll be busy evacuating everyone from the potential war-path of both the sides, here, alright?
Well that, and i gotta fight a siege against Undead Vamps, to boot, or at least help co-ordinate the defenses.
For one of Magnus’ feats, he Teleported an entire planet into the Warp after a fight with Leman Russ.
*sets up radio transmissions*
From what i recall of Magnus the Red, although despite the fact of the matter he got more powerful in his Horus Heresy!-incarnations, he was less powerful than ‘Ascended’ Horus was, he very much had the capabilities to outsmart the Warmaster if it ever came down to outright combat, if T.A711′s reports say anything(unless the Chaos Gods are backing Horus up, completely!)
We all know Steven Strange is no combat slouch, either, as many will testify, here, but are we going to be using the most powerful incarnations for both sides, here, and watch reality unravel?
“@Hermit – Thanks! Updated!”
Is that something only you can do, because I’ve never been able to edit my own matches.
From the VERY little I know on Dr. Strange he should stomp Magnus into the floor, but I might jus be speaking out of ignorance.
@Envoy – As it stands for now, I can make edits to anything on the site. I’m still trying to find a way to let authors edit their own posts.
@Grand General Admin
So can you let us know on how the progress to adding a proper edit button may fare, in the meantime, when its done?
@D.E.M
Or at least make sure the fighting is more epic, even if its at the expense of reality itself, right?
Granted, even the Existence of ‘Pure’ Reality is debatable, but what might not be so debatable is that its fragile.
Well from my point of view it depends on 1 thing. Is this Sorcerer Supreme Dr Strange or current(weak at magic due to a messed up hand & who has passed on his SS power to brother voodoo) Strange?
@Lowk
For this fight, Doc Strange is going to have to be at his most powerful to engage this uber-powerful disciple of Tzeentch, assuming if we’re using Horus Heresy!-Era/Post-Horus Heresy Magnus the Red, right?
*another thing to report from radio*
Seeing as how badly Ahriman got the better of Malak in their own fight, and Magnus is Ahriman’s Primarch, that should be enough of a reason for Strange to be at his most powerful, here.
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^
Soookay then. As much as I love Magnus, he looses this one. Bad.
Haz repect thread for just such an occasion.
www.factpiletopia.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1880
Read, learn, weep.
@illhan
im no expert on strange but that sounds like a fanboys rant.
“im no expert on strange but that sounds like a fanboys rant.”
Nope, pretty accurate.
Like I’ve said, Strange is the Marvel equivilant to Pre-Crisis Superman.
“Nope, pretty accurate.
Like I’ve said, Strange is the Marvel equivilant to Pre-Crisis Superman.”
I can testify to this. Even if I only only realized it late in the game.
Too bad Marvel Writers have been thrashing X Man with horrible, HORRIBLE PIS in his most recent and most powerful incarnation. In that case I’d like to see him in a match.
Stomp match is Stomp. Dr. Strange hands down.
“Too bad Marvel Writers have been thrashing X Man with horrible, HORRIBLE PIS in his most recent and most powerful incarnation. In that case I’d like to see him in a match.”
Really?
How powerful is X-Man? Would he be in and around Vulcan’s level or above?
“For one of Magnus’ feats, he Teleported an entire planet into the Warp after a fight with Leman Russ.”
No he didn’t. He teleported the Pyramids of Tizca to the Planet of Sorcerors (which is in the Eye of Terror most likely, although its possible for it to be in the Warp entirely I suppose.), if he had teleported the entire planet, Russ and the Wolves would have been there to.
@CC
“he very much had the capabilities to outsmart the Warmaster if it ever came down to outright combat, if T.A711′s reports say anything”
Ah, remember I said he could have beaten Horus probably (definately pre-heresy, during Heresy Horus would probably give him a run for his money, and anything short of complete and tter divine intervention from all 4 gods Horus would be beaten, most likely.)
“Seeing as how badly Ahriman got the better of Malak in their own fight, and Magnus is Ahriman’s Primarch, that should be enough of a reason for Strange to be at his most powerful, here.”
Magnus will likely be dead before he even blinks.
Without PIS he’d probably trash Vulcan. He’s a psi guy that like Cable is an alternate universe son of Phoenix (or whatever else you want to call Jean) and CYclops. Only he was genetically altered to enhance his powers to absurb levels.
He’s the one that taught Xavier how to pull his astral form into the physical world and thus bringing about Onslaught. He can do this himself; making something in the astral plane and pulling out out. Including armor that seemingly enhances his physical attributes (theory of mine based on his performance after donning it). He can jump willy-nilly into it and jump back out. He’s been shown to freeze time with just psionic force. Exerting himself he put out power levels that according to some sensors compared to the Phoenix Force. He even put Sentry in his place without any effort.
And then he comes back to life after sacrificing himself and all of a sudden a battle of wills (which was BS in the first place) came down between him and Osborn and he somehow lost. We haven’t seen him since after he was drug away by Osborn’s men like Aeres, Venom, etc.
Yeah, Magnus looses.
Nice to see Dr. Strange again but how about against someone that could actually take him?
Also, Magneto’s in need of some loving on the site.
I think Magneto’s only had the one match against Master Chief.
I’m actually curious to see what Magnus can actually do. Any supporters for him?
“I think Magneto’s only had the one match against Master Chief.”
And Ironman.
“I think Magneto’s only had the one match against Master Chief.”
He also had one against Iron Man with a prep scenario for Stark. I was thinking of suggesting him against Tetsuo but I heard Mags’ helmet blocks out psychic attacks and Tetsuo’s got some instant kill combustion moves. I’m iffy…
so what? this fight’s over already *sigh* that was quick
also who’s idea was it to pit master chief against magneto
“also who’s idea was it to pit master chief against magneto”
An idiot’s.
“I’m actually curious to see what Magnus can actually do. Any supporters for him?”
We could but it would mostly be speculation, similar to using GEOM in a match, the only sorceror/psyker characters in 40k that are stroner than Magnus are the GEOM, Fateweaver (most likely at least) and Tzeentch himself.
He lso doesn’t have very many feats to pull from, the only ones I can recall off the top of my head are defeating 2 Eldar Titans and I believe he mentions he could destroy an entire fleet by himself, but whether that’s true or not I don’t remember. (This is all pre-heresy though, current incarnation puts him as a Daemon Primarch of Tzeentch.)
Though those are combat feats, he has other psychic feats outside of combat, but I’m not sure they matter here.
From the sounds of things, X-Man does sound like quite a contender. Maybe high-Herald level from the description above.
I dunno, at first glance I’d reccommend pitting him against someone like a fully-confident Gladiator, or maybe Annihilus. Maybe someone like Spawn if you wanted a non-Marvel example.
As much as it would pain me because I’m not thinking he could win (though anything is possible I guess) I’d honestly want to see him against SBP for a Marvel Vs DC matchup.
” I’d honestly want to see him against SBP for a Marvel Vs DC matchup.”
Ouch.
Well, so long as you don’t fall into the misconception that SBP = Pre-Crisis Superboy.
“An idiot’s.”
I believe it was L-W who suggested that match-up as a social experiment to show the severe case of mental retardation that exists with Halo fan-boys.
“I believe it was L-W who suggested that match-up as a social experiment to show the severe case of mental retardation that exists with Halo fan-boys”
Ah yes, that does actually make more sense.
Of course, from what I recall, I think people did still say MC had a chance.
Site’s come a long way.
Dr. Strange easily.
“Of course, from what I recall, I think people did still say MC had a chance.”
The golden days… When there was plenty of retards to put down for enjoyment. Nowadays, we don’t even have people like Anime Hero Kevin.
“The golden days… When there was plenty of retards to put down for enjoyment. Nowadays, we don’t even have people like Anime Hero Kevin”
The last bastion of madness who adamantly claimed Goku could beat Superman. Now we know better.
Not to say The site is completely free of ‘problem’ members.
Who’s Magnus the Red?
Casting my vote for the man who can restore entire universes to life.
@Everyone
So Magnus lost so quickly.
Odd, considering that Magnus is stated to be the most cunning among the Chaos-sworn Primarchs and unless we’re talking Spawn(Al Simmons!)-Levels, i’d somehow be bracing myself for 100 posts.
Is it safe to come out, now?
“Not to say The site is completely free of ‘problem’ members.”
True. That’s a far-off dream that we can only keep wishing for…
“Chaos-sworn Primarchs and unless we’re talking Spawn(Al Simmons!)-Levels, i’d somehow be bracing myself for 100 posts.
Is it safe to come out, now?”
Are you suggesting Dr. Strange vs Al Simmons or am I misinterpreting?
@S.S
No, i was talking about how both Strange and Spawn(as Al Simmons) managed to wipe the floor with Magnus(who’s more powerful than Angron overall!) and Angron, respectively, and at a very quick time, to boot.(the Kinds of feats i never saw anyone in One Piece doing, or even going so far as to fight just one of the Primarchs to a standstill, even!)
Unless Primarchs are massively FTL, can surpass all the psychic power in the universe, alter the flow of time with ease, transmute people into anything they want to, can summon abstract entities like Strange can…
@Soldier’s Shadow
But the Fanboys are what make many of these arguments really fun. I think I may have run off Earl Sweatshirt unfortunately.
@G.B
*still trying to deal with the insanity for how quick the match ended*
Still, they’re generally striking me as a double-edged sword, at best.
In any case, any idea how much insanity was put into the relative speed in which Spawn and Doc Strange(at the height of their powers) were able to wipe even Angron and Magnus(who are more powerful than Kharn and Ahriman, respectively!) across the floor, when not even the heaviest hitters from One Piece could go as much as to properly stalemate them?
@Cross
Meh, that’s Marvel Canon-Sueification for you; I wouldn’t let it worry you too much.
Well, while it’s the most powerful ongoing Shonen series (And the only one worth reading) One Piece isn’t even close to Marvel or Images tier.
There’s also the fact that the board is full of massive 40k fanboys so unless a Marvel/DC character is flung against them you better believe the majority will be debating on 40k’s behalf.
@G.B
That may or may not be the case on Strange, but still, its worth a mental scratch to the head in attempting to think about it.
Next thing you know is that there are series that actually have EVEN MORE INSANE genetic manipulations than what either 40K or Metroid would offer, combined, right?
Well, looks like a wafflestomp in favor of the Sorceror Supreme.
Next?
@Asger
That has gotta hurt, to consider.
“That has gotta hurt, to consider.”
wat.
@Asger
I mean with how badly O.P’s heaviest hitters get wiped across the floor by fighting the Primarchs, while if you have guys like Doc Strange, the Redeemer, or Spawn, its either going to be stalemate-worthy, a hopeless boss-battle in favor of guys like the 3 i just listed, or a quick stomp-fest in same 3′s favor, really.
Not that hard to understand.
Marvel and Image are more powerful than 40k. Strange and Spawn are high tiers in those verses. 40k is more powerful than One Piece. The Primarchs are high tiers in that verse.
@Asger
It isn’t exactly until now that i have even begun to question the exact amounts of mental gravity levels that this site can really unleash, haven’t i?
On the bright side of contentment, at least another Primarch was introduced to the site for more info-sharing, right?
Downside is the taste of the true extremes of the gravity-thing is felt, yet again.
Bad match is bad. I doubt anything less than a chaos god can contend with Strange’s universe level power. For future reference, it’s a bad idea to put super high tier comics characters against Warhammer people. High tiers tend to be FTL planetbusters who can speed blitz one shot anything in 40k short of a C’tan and the top tier tends to consist of absurdly powerful universal/multiversal+ power people who can eradicate the entire 40k galaxy (excluding the warp) with a wave of their hand.
@CC, I really don’t understand your confusion. OP is really not that strong of a verse. This should be immediately obvious because it takes place on a single planet. If your work takes place on a single planet with no one powerful enough to recreate planets, then you can’t have planetbusters or above because then you wouldn’t have a setting. 40k takes place on a galactic scale. Planetbusters and life wipers exist, and life wipers at least are used in abundance because they CAN destroy a planet without greatly impacting the setting. Marvel technically is a multiverse but 99% of it takes place in a universe. They can wipe galaxies without blinking an eye because there are 2,000 times as many galaxies in the universe as there are planets in the Imperium. No one on the universal scale would give a fuck if a galaxy dropped out of existence. If it weren’t for the fact that most guys on this level have some sort of cosmic knowledge, they probably wouldn’t even notice. Marvel in fact has another little detail that enables them to go even further: most of the guys capable of blowing up galaxies or more can also instantly undo it. For example, when Odin took on Infinity, they duked it out across multiple universes (since Marvel is in fact a multiverse), destroyed a whole bunch of galaxies, and then at the end Odin just waved his hand and brought everything back. This allows a bunch of universe level and above guys to exist without wiping out the setting.
I vote Dr. Strange.
Link to the Magnus pic, please? Very badass.
Sorcerer Supreme Strange wins this without even trying.
Current Stephen Strange though? Isn’t he a tad less powerful?
“Current Stephen Strange though? Isn’t he a tad less powerful?”
I heard something along the lines of losing his universal powers after he helped the New Avengers defeat Dormammu and The Hood so his magic is far less powerful. Not sure though.
@W00t
Blast it!!!
Next thing you know is that if someone goes to suggest Akuha/Akua Shuzen vs Bella Cullen, that only exactly how the setting for the fight is established could prevent the fighting from being a stomp in either side’s favor, right?
Also, the next thing we know, is that someone will basically tell me that the Shi’ar Empire in any of its fight-worthy incarnations(as a faction/meta-faction) could even go head-to-head with the Eldar from 40K(something i am not yet sure if any of the individual factions from Metroid can pull off in reason…yet!) and yet the idea will be very easy to swallow, right?
All in all we don’t have enough usable feats for current Strange. While he can still fight I don’t really think we CAN use him as-is. Especially since (as far as I know) he has no baseline of pre-SS powers for us to draw a comparison to.
Basically, it should be SS Strange Vs Magnus. Even if it is a stomp. Otherwise we got less than a dozen books for Strange.
“Also, the next thing we know, is that someone will basically tell me that the Shi’ar Empire in any of its fight-worthy incarnations(as a faction/meta-faction) could even go head-to-head with the Eldar from 40K(something i am not yet sure if any of the individual factions from Metroid can pull off in reason…yet!) and yet the idea will be very easy to swallow, right?”
Eh…Shi’ar may be able to do it. I don’t know enough though. Especially if it was Shi’ar lead by Vulcan with Gladiator under his command. Those two alone could trash a fleet let alone the rest of their forces.
@CIDE
Its official, now i’m a believer.
Meantime for this fight, should we have Magnus at his most powerful, as well, to see if it makes any difference?
CC, I’m sorry since my last post was pretty much a giant tangent in which I forgot to actually make my original point. I originally meant to say that One Piece just wasn’t that powerful of a verse, 40k is a lot stronger than most, and Marvel is definitely one of the strongest ever. After a while you just start to know the different verses by reputation ie 40k guy vs Halo guy, the 40k guy probably wins; top tier Marvel guy taking on anyone who can’t blow up galaxies on a whim, it’s probably a stomp.
“Also, the next thing we know, is that someone will basically tell me that the Shi’ar Empire in any of its fight-worthy incarnations(as a faction/meta-faction) could even go head-to-head with the Eldar from 40K(something i am not yet sure if any of the individual factions from Metroid can pull off in reason…yet!) and yet the idea will be very easy to swallow, right?”
I’m pretty sure they could. They’re a multi-galactic empire incorporating hundreds of thousands of species (think Tau, except several times bigger than the Imperium). They have tech called a nega bomb that one shotted 90% of the Kree empire. They can make stars go supernova. And of course they have Gladiator, who’s a faster than light supernova tanking starbuster (he’s blue Superman with a mohawk). On the ground he can solo the Eldar into extinction. No aspect warrior, phoenix lord, ground vehicle, atmospheric fighter, or titan can hope to even scratch this guy, though it’s not as if they could even lay a finger on him. In space the guy can laugh off the death star, dodge every weapon in existence, and punch out craftworlds. And this is just one guy. They have a military to back him up. While the details of said military are rather sketchy, I’m pretty sure the combination of superior numbers and ridiculous mobility (they have inter-galactic teleportation) can match the Eldar. If nothing else they can put Gladiator where ever he needs to be at a moment’s notice, and he’s pretty much a localized “I win” button.
“All in all we don’t have enough usable feats for current Strange. While he can still fight I don’t really think we CAN use him as-is. Especially since (as far as I know) he has no baseline of pre-SS powers for us to draw a comparison to.”
Ya that’s what I thought too. I mean Sorceror Supreme isn’t like when Thor got the Odinforce, it’s always been his entire identity. As far as I remember, he went straight from crippled doctor to hanging out with universal abstracts.
Glads alone would thrash most of the Eldar (This is a guy who blows up planets with raw strength, a guy who can swim through massive stars without getting a scratch on him. And unlike Superman he doesn’t gain strength from stars). Then there’s Emperor Vulcan, who can absorb pretty much any form of energy, move FTL, thrash omega-level psionics, remove other peoples powers…among other things.
And these are only two of the Shi’ar high-tiers.
@W00t and Asger
This is rather insane…anyone want to consider posting in Shi’ar vs Eldar, in group combat via factions, then?
“Otherwise we got less than a dozen books for Strange.”
As opposed to the two books of useable Magnus Feats(Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns)? That actually sounds relatively reasonable. I’m still not convinced it’d help in honesty, but its worth consideration.
As for Eldat versus Shi’ar… No. Just no. While I’m relatively certain Gladiator can be brought down (Does the guy still depend on confidence? Because if so Eldrad could turn him into a quivering child relatively easily), the actual Empire part of that could likely stomp even an allied Eldar into the dirt. If the match does get posted, can we at least have Eldar, Dark Eldar and Harlequins in there?
@J
If it does get posted, you may have a point on how it should be Pre-Birth of Slanessh Eldar, instead of Modern 40K Eldar, then.
“(Does the guy still depend on confidence? Because if so Eldrad could turn him into a quivering child relatively easily),”
It’s more psionics than confidence. If he believes himself untouchable, he is.
@Asger
That’s just only ONE of the major Shi’ar Heavy-Hitters that Pre-Slannesh Eldar have to worry about, right?
Well, Glads is just one man. Of course he leads a small army of other superhumans known as the Imperial Guard.
And most of the monarchs the Shi’ar have are absurdly powerful on their own.
Along with that The Shi’ar possess technologies common to most alien races, including:
■ faster than light capable starships
■ energy-based weapons in their ships and in their handheld weapons
■ force fields
■ faster than light communication
■ teleportation technology
The Shi’ar also possess technologies fairly unique to them, including:
■ Hologram technology: which was used by the X-Men in their Danger Room.
■ Cloaking technology: rendering a craft completely invisible, used by the X-Men on their Blackbird aircraft.
■ Stargates: Devices in a network system. They were used for travel to faraway distances. There were planet-based Stargates (used for personal travel to other solar systems and galaxies) and enormous space-based versions (used for starships to travel through).
■ Starcracker technology: This was the Shi’ar ultimate weapon. The Starcracker caused stars to go supernova.
Most if not all Shi’ar technology was sentient
It should also be noted that Glads is pretty much always bloodlusted when compared to Superman, and he won’t be pulling his punches if his empire is in danger.
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@Asger
Did he just kill off Scott?
@Asger
No seriously, unless i saw that image all wrong, did Gladiator just kill off Cyclops?
I don’t think so.
Just some nameless grunt by the looks of things.
@Asger
You mean i got it wrong via perception, there?
I can’t believe i nearly swore that Cyclops got killed in that panel, there.
One day I’m gonna write down a character who’s name is “Overpwoer”…or “Marty Stue”.. or whatever.
And his power will be literaly “Ubeatable by anyone or anything, anywhere, anyhow, under any circumstance whatsoever. No exceptions.”
So does anyone have feats on current non-Sorcerer Supreme Dr.Strange?
“One day I’m gonna write down a character who’s name is “Overpwoer”…or “Marty Stue”.. or whatever.
And his power will be literaly “Ubeatable by anyone or anything, anywhere, anyhow, under any circumstance whatsoever. No exceptions.””
Your going to write a comic about batman’s utility belt.
“One day I’m gonna write down a character who’s name is “Overpwoer”…or “Marty Stue”.. or whatever.
And his power will be literaly “Ubeatable by anyone or anything, anywhere, anyhow, under any circumstance whatsoever. No exceptions.””
Stop fucking whining.
^ I forgot the details, but it went something along the lines of Gladiator was ordered to kill Lilandra (note that he is ostensibly loyal to the THRONE, not the one who sits on it/used to sit on it, the distinction is critical since the guy sitting on it changes so often it’s like friggin musical chairs), but then he was like “eff this shit” and killed this Imperial guardsman who objected. I think the guy was a little more important than a nameless grunt, but he definitely isn Cyclops.
“One day I’m gonna write down a character who’s name is “Overpwoer”…or “Marty Stue”.. or whatever.
And his power will be literaly “Ubeatable by anyone or anything, anywhere, anyhow, under any circumstance whatsoever. No exceptions.””
It’s called an omnipotent. God (the Bible), The One Above All (Marvel), The Presence (DC), The Man of Miracles (Image), and I’m not sure if Dark Horse has one but I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.
Sorry for the triple post, but I kinda left one out: Squirrel Girl. Her power set can be summed up as “she wins”
@w00t
Imagine what would happen if such a satire DOES get written, though.
That said, the mental head-scratching is less bad, right now.
Hmm… Would Marvel vs DC & Anime/Manga be fair or would Marvel still dominate?
@Soldier’s Shadow
Depends on exactly how much thought was placed in setting up such a match, to begin with.
Remember, the latter of the 3 groups has Epic-level giant robots like the Ideon, the Super Galaxy Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, and one more epic-level giant robot i cannot recall, yet, unless its meant to be GaoGaiGar’s most powerful form, in question.
That’s not even getting to the Phoenix Gundam from the Mobile Suit Gundam meta-series, if its permitted, either, as the thing has a lot of firepower and would require a lot more just to even hope to destroy most of it, once.
Permission to go on with the list of things to consider?
Also, how many factions/Meta-factions/sub-factions of Superhumans does Marvel have, exactly?
I am pretty sure that Yokai Academy(from Rosario + Vampire) should be able to hold its own against at least some of the sub-factions, or at least just one, at worst, depending on the faction/meta-faction/sub-faction they have to worry about.
Where to begin?
“It’s called an omnipotent. God (the Bible), The One Above All (Marvel), The Presence (DC), The Man of Miracles (Image), and I’m not sure if Dark Horse has one but I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.”
Up to a point.
Overpower (or Marty super-Stu) destroys all other similar entities (from other fictional universes) by it’s very existence.
“Hmm… Would Marvel vs DC & Anime/Manga be fair or would Marvel still dominate?”
As is the case when dealing with Anime/Manga as a whole, it’s too broad to just lump it altogether, given that there might always be one anime/manga that nobodies heard of that shakes things up.
Course, Marvel and DC are the two most powerful verses in all of fiction, so it wouldn’t make much difference.
NO! The Crimson king will not be disgraced again…so i shall be a son of Magnus since none are willing to stand by him…
So since i’m no million, i’m gonna have to rely on the Marvel wiki for info on Strange. Feel free to post links to scans that SHOW Strange actually being able to process events FTL…it’s o ne think to be able to magically MOVE FTL…it’s a whole other thing for what wiki terms “the mightiest magician in the cosmos”…oddly enough a title Magnus had (since he was the physical manifestation of the Emperor’s psychic ability. I do have and just finished “A Thousand Sons” and “Prospero Burns”.
So the first thing that’s gotten to me is all this talk of “FTL stomp lol” this and “FTL stomp lol” that. All i’m asking for is a scan that shows Strange REACTING to a FTL being (Silver Surfer, Superman, Sentry etc) and not just using his magic to TRAVERSE FTL. it’s one thing conjuring a spell at the speed of thought and another to be able to cast it and have FTL effects. Till then, i’m afraid the freakin’ post-human primarch will have the speed advantage. we all know Space Marines MOVE faster than the eye can follow…can you even imagine the speed their thoughts must be…critical split-second decisions for us is probably a well deliberated choice for them…IN THE SAME TIMW FRAME!!!!
Ok, quote time!
The best way to show just how powerful Magnus is, we will take a peak at what his sons can do (please note: In “A Thousand Sons” it describes how Magnus was the one who showed/taught Prospero’s people how to channel the energies of the warp; and this wwas when he was still a ‘child’…before becoming a Daemon Prince *shudder*)
“The
power he now has was unlooked for, unwanted and unnatural. Power is fleeting, some say, but not
this power.
Once acquired it can never be given back…His abilities are like nothing else wielded by man. He could kill me from the other side of the
galaxy, but he will not.”
-A Thousand Sons page 8 (e-book)
This is just the opening description of a Daemon Prince Magnus by one of his top sorcerers left (the same guy who manages to create Rubric Marines). I feel this is enough to get the ball rolling at least (and since I’m re-reading both books, I’ll post quotes as I go along)
Cute.
Duelling the In-Betweener, the two of them being FTL.
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Avoids a laser blast in a fraction of a microsecond
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Reacts fast enough to block a blast from Galactus
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He can casually stop time anyway, so his autoshields will protect him long enough to stop time and carry Magnus into the nearest star.
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Day 2
In reply to “fought a big robot and was dodging lazers” scan you sent, here’s my rebuttal. So here’s the latest quote describing Magnus fighting an Ork Titan (yes, thos things that destroy entire cities, armies and tanks)
“Magnus stood before the enemy colossus, wielding the power of the
aether like an ancient god of war.
Two giants, one mechanical, one a flesh and blood progeny of the Emperor, they had faced each
other across the burning ruins, and it seemed the battle’s conclusion could not have been more
foregone.
But Magnus raised his arms, his feathered cloak billowed by unseen storms, and the full fury of
the aether unmade the enemy war-engine in a hurricane of immaterial fire that tore the flesh of
reality asunder and shook the world to its very foundations. All those who saw the giant primarch that day would take the sight of his battle with that
bloated, hateful, war machine to their graves, his power and majesty indelibly etched on their
memories like a scar.”
A Thousand Sons
Page 23 (e-book)
So “dodged it in a micro-second” would mean Strange has pretty speedy reflexes. That’s honestly the only scan I saw with Empirical speed reference shown. the fight with the In-Betweener was, if i saw that right, all in Strange’s head?
And on the topic of stopping/slowing time; scan if you don’t mind. Magnus clearly has the same ability. The following quote shows how A Thousand Son/ Lesser daemon of Tzeentch can slow/warp time. So if a lowly marine can slow it to such a degree, Daemon Princes like magnus who SPECIALISE in spells, it’s a fair assumption that stopping time won’t take that much. Again, i’m only gonna be able to defend Magnus with the two books i gotz. Others who gotz books on Greater daemons of Tzeentch, please post some of their more prominent abilities:
” Bear fired three precise shots with his bolter. It was ridiculously
close range, and Bear was taking no chances. Each one was a killshot.
Each one was a man-stopper. He did not even consider laming
the Thousand Sons Equerry when a hostile act had been
made against his priest-brother, and a threat remained to his
skjald. His response was automatic, and no Astartes could miss
under such circumstances with his signature weapon.
On the ground, rolling over, Hawser felt time bulge and contort.
He could see the mass-reactive shells in flight as they went
over him, smudging out lines of grease-on-glass slipstream behind
them, like comet tails, like bad stars streaking towards impact.”
Prospero Burns
Page 303
And on the topic of “shields” and “pushing Magnus into the nearest star”, Magnus has his own psychic shields…shields that can stop Orbital freakin’ bombardments and can cover an entire city from planet busting SALVOES…I remember it being later on in A Thousand Sons, but like i said…i’m savouring it page by page, i ain’t gonna troll myself with “PROSPERO BURNS LOLOLOL!!!”
@Heretic and everyone else in this match
If i had to ask, the odds of this being turned into a quick-draw kind of fight, am i hearing this one, right?
*cannot recall how many cases it came down to a Quick-draw to end the matter, let alone cases for 40K*
As for time-manipulation, speaking of which, i wonder when we should prepare a vs match of test for Mega Man X vs Space Marine, really.
I mean C’mon, Samus and the Chief already have such tests, i don’t see why X isn’t permitted to have one, either.
First quote has nothing to do with anything. Strange fighting the In-betweener was an actual battle, not in Strange’s mind,being able to effortlessly stop time on a planetary scale is far more powerful than making a tiny ripple in time to effect one person. Oh and planetary bombardment is now as powerful as a star appearantly. Good to know.
Course no matter how strong his psionic abilities are, they mean nothing to strange. Moondragon, a powerful psychic, armed with the Mind Gem (A device which gives a person near infinite psionic power) was still beaten by Strange.
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Or he could just steal all Magnus’ power
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Or trap him in a bubble that nullifies all his power
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Or just get rid of him the old fashioned way and hit him with the force of a supernova
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@Asger
I am not accusing you of doing anything wrong on Strange’s behalf(quite the opposite in fact!) but something tells me that the last feat feels about as insane as whatever combat capabilities my user-namesake’s superior officer is capable of, if he’s not permitted to hold back his capabilities, right?
Its getting increasingly likelier that a Quick-draw might ensure.
Unlike other superheroes, Strange is actually willing to outright kill people.
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And the fact that he can bend reality ro restore anything he destroys means that holding back is kinda’ pointless.
I don’t have time to post a lengthy retort, but from your links, i noticed how Strange seems to enjoy CQC…and for the “bubble” idea, that’s a slippery slope; SS is no “magician”, i could argue Magnus, a guy who can kill powerful sorcerers FROM ACROSS A GALAXY can pretty much handle a “de-power” bubble. And that’s another thing, “power of a supernova” isn’t that impressive when you consider some of the capabilities Warp fire has been said to have; i recall an incident when the flames fired by freakin’ Blue Daemons (i think they rank around/lower than Lesser Daemons) were described as burning hotter than the centre of the sun (basically Plasma shots) and Magnus has fought/is now a Greater Daemon that can channel this energies but with a exponentially higher level.
You seem to forget that Magnus, in current Incarnation was able to penetrate the Emperor’s shields around the Golden Throne with just a blessing from A GREATER DAEMON to bolster his own abilities…the most Powerful psychic human ever to exist…HIS defenses…BEFORE he had Tzeentch’s full blessing/becoming a Daemon Primarch. You alos forget that Daemon Primarchs of the four gods are said to be more powerful than Greater Daemons…this would include beings like Fateweaver…making the quick draw scenario more favourable for Magnus…
GEEZ, the ‘oke hasn’t even made an appearance yet in Thousand Sons…can’t waiiiiit!!!!!!
FOR THE CRIMSON KING!!!
Given that 40k is a verse laden with hyperbole I’d hardly take it as fact. And given that the Emperor is either a useless corpse on a pedestal or a being who can’t decide if he’s a physical god or an incompetent loser who gets his ass kicked by bog-standard Orks without his son to save his ass, it’s not all that impressive.
And indeed Strange is able to do CQC, given that’s he’s a master of Mystic and Martial arts.
Alright, this shit’s getting boring.
Strange gets flung so far away that the entire universe looks like a flicker in the distance. He manages to return in moments. So Strange will drag Magnus through every star, black hole and quasar he has to to kill him.
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Or just turn Magnus into stone, given that you haven’t said anything of him being resistant to transmutation.
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And if Magnus somehow survives being flung through the entire universe, or being launched back in time, or being turned to stone, Strange can actually put some effort into it and merge with the embodiment of the universe.
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You also never answered the whole thing about Strange being able to simply steal Magnus’ power and turn it against him. And don’t give me all that crap about ‘Chaos Gods’, Strange stole all the power of a reality warper who’s powers made him as strong as he could imagine himself to be.
“You seem to forget that Magnus, in current Incarnation was able to penetrate the Emperor’s shields around the Golden Throne with just a blessing from A GREATER DAEMON to bolster his own abilities…”
No.
Magnus was not strong enough (at the time) to break into the Webway forcefully, the Greater Daemon leant him the strength to do so, after that he didn’t use any sorcery to get into the Emperor’s throne room, he just exited through the Webway gate the Emperor had in his possession.
There’s no point in even addressing Asger’s points because of how much Doc Strange outclasses Magnus anyway.
Stomp Match Is Stomp.
This is gonna hurt, no matter who survives, will it?
Looks like all of ever-so-fragile reality will be destroyed, regardless of the outcome.
“This is gonna hurt, no matter who survives, will it?”
No, its only going to hurt Magnus.