Suggested by liam
For this battle we have the Wookies arriving from Star Wars up against the Brutes of Halo.
Wowza. This would be one hell of a fun fight to watch. While the Wookies might have a slight edge in the technology, the Brutes have the sheer physical size that could wear down the Wookies in time.
Which side wins?
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first post YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!
brutes win in my oppinion…..
I’ll have to disagree there, Wookies may be weaker and smaller, but their technological edge may win this for them. Where is the battlt taking place? That could be a deciding factor.
@The Lost Guy on the Lost Planet
I bet you didn’t think the battle through properly and just got a quick post in to be first. Am I right?
(looks at feet) no…yes..mabey…. ok so i did.. but i honestly did think that at the time the brutes could win… but now that i think about it the wookies are better in weapons tech but do not have a variaty of weapons like the brutes have..
lol, I think i’ve probably done the same thing once. Nothing matters but the dominance over my first post!
I think if the battle is being held in a wooded area, that would just be great for the wookies. However, we are gonna have to wait for someone to specify the location. Also, i’m not sure where I heard it, but I think Bowcasers are one of the more powerful blasters in the SW universe.
meh but i still think it is good to have a variaty of weapons.
cause if your guys had only one type of gun that was a allrounder and did not excil in any area but the enemy had a huge variaty of weapons for close quarters, medium and long range you are sort of at a disadvantage in my oppinion…
Wookies don’t just have the Bowcaster(which is considered more powerful and accurate than the average blaster), they have quite a few…
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kashyyyk_long-gun
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookiee_disruptor
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookiee_Slug-Thrower
Mounted weaponry…
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookiee_Quadrail_Launcher
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookiee_Dual_Launcher
well…. i am sold.. now what do we do?
Um… I suppose we now wait until someone creates a counter argument, or perhaps I could strengthen my argument.
Broken links are broken. And Wiki’s! Anyway….
I’m assuming equal numbers’n all that shit. Only Brute Weapons or any Covie weapons? Also, did only specific Brute units have shields…? In the case of shields we’d also need calcs done on all Wookie weapons.
I honestly think Wookies have this, but I’ll try to make an argument for the Jiralhanae. This match is too good to only get eight posts in its life.
So, in tech, the Wookies have this hands down. They are known to be one of the craftier and more innovative of species in Star Wars. They were able to hold off an entire Planetary Siege by several Imperial Batallions spearheaded by Darth Vader himself. Note, this was only a month or two after several Major Clone War engagements, including the Battle of the Wawaat Archipelago. The Wookies had actually taken the dead Droid Tanks and gunships and mounted them in trees to use as defense platforms.
…Crap. Uh, maybe the Jiralhanae have a chance in close combat if they can avoid being atomized at range by the Wooks.
Factpile rules
state neutral battle ground and current incarnations
The Wookies have a damn good amount of weapons. But like Gluttonous-Behemoth said, it’s just too good…
(I’m figuring the brutes we’re talking about are the Brutes after the Elites rebel, since these are the best brutes.)
I think the main advantage is their shields. These would allow them to move in for close combat which they have the advantage. But if these are the Brutes from Halo 3 then they have all the Covenant vehicles. The Banshee, Ghost, Chopper, Wraith, Turrets, SCARAB. Plus they have the jet packs and the cheiftens. Also with their amount of weaponry, Brute spiker and Carbine I think it’s an even fight.
(If these are the brutes from Halo 3, doesn’t that mean the have control of the Grunts and Jackels, etc etc? Also can they use the Carries that can glass a planet?)
The Wookies are very resourceful and I would love to see them win. But this is closer than you think.
Do Wookies have shields or just fur? If it’s the latter then plasma weapons might actually give them equal footing in the weapons department….
Sorry I forgot to put this…
One would figure it’s the Brutes invading Kashyeek (Not sure how to spell it…) and with the Covanet’s suicidal ways of attacking it would be quite the fight, but with the Wookies ways to use everything and anything to their advantage they would wear them down and maybe pull off a victory. But the Covanet doesn’t let up… (Still hoping this is Halo 3 brutes, if not discard my comments and simply put Wookies win.)
…Couldnt the Brutes spacerape the fuzzballs?
@Envoy
A Confederate Fleet couldn’t and an Imperial Fleet couldn’t, so I don’t see why Brutes should. But I absolutely adore your Avatar; looks like Q just got tired of trolling Star Trek and decided to
“One would figure it’s the Brutes invading Kashyeek (Not sure how to spell it…) and with the Covanet’s suicidal ways of attacking it would be quite the fight, but with the Wookies ways to use everything and anything to their advantage they would wear them down and maybe pull off a victory. But the Covanet doesn’t let up… (Still hoping this is Halo 3 brutes, if not discard my comments and simply put Wookies win.)”
It is current incarnation Brutes and Wookies, and a neutral arena.
Meaning that both are in a locale they know nothing of.
Also meaning that we are using Brutes at the end of Halo 3, so they are alot smaller than they used to be, but otherwise the same as Halo 3. Wookies would be the end of Episode 6, if I’m not mistaken.
So do we have an indication of how large these respective populations are at this time? Also, do the Brutes have a fleet anymore? or were their ships all destroyed in the Civil War?
Are the books considered Canon for this? Cause if it is, Wookies would be at their incarnation when the Fel Dynasty is overthrown; after the Yuzhaan Vong War, which did some damage to Kashyyk.
If we go just by movies, then they are just now getting out of Imperial Subjugation, which could also make their race weaker for the fight.
“Are the books considered Canon for this? Cause if it is, Wookies would be at their incarnation when the Fel Dynasty is overthrown; after the Yuzhaan Vong War, which did some damage to Kashyyk.”
Well EU canon and the Lucasarts canon is different. Meaning we need to decide which canon is being used.
I am pretty sure that brutes don’t have shields excpet for this Grav hammer wielding ones.
Play Halo 3 and Halo 3 ODST again my friend, they all had shields.
In Halo 2 and Halo Reach they don’t have shields.
But Halo 3 is the most current incarnation of Brutes that we have seen. As far as I know anyway.
For the sake of making the fighting even, i’m siding with E.U canon being used, we just have to certify the era in question, though.
Is General Blood-Dancer up for it if and when he arrives?
Oh my bad haven’t played 3 in ages.
But Brute weaponry:
Gravity Hammer- halo.wikia.com/wiki/Type-2_Energy_Weapon/Hammer
Spiker- halo.wikia.com/wiki/Type-25_Carbine
Brute Shot- halo.wikia.com/wiki/Type-25_Grenade_Launcher
Brute Plasma Rifle- halo.wikia.com/wiki/Type-25_Directed_Energy_Rifle/Jiralhanae_variant
Mauler -http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Type-52_Pistol
I don’t think they used any other weaponry apart from those but I could be wrong.
@Cross
Dancer may be more knowledgeable about it, but I think the latest point in the Expanded universe is when some Sith Sorceror overthrows the Fel Empire and starts some new thing. Its like fifty years after the Yuzaan Vong War I think.
@Officer Hitman
In any case, we could have the match go two ways, which side would win if we’re taking purely LucasArts canon-Wookies and which side would win if we get to use E.U-Wookies?
What say you all?
Ok first I got no idea what E.U means or how its different to canon.
Secondly I am really not sure, if there was a terrain that was specific I could make a batter assumption and have a clearer idea. But at the moment no idea.
“A Confederate Fleet couldn’t and an Imperial Fleet couldn’t, so I don’t see why Brutes should.”
They don’t need to land to shoot them from space.
Well, Brutes do have access to warships and ground vehicles, don’t they? What do the Wookies have to match that? Also, how many shots would it take from say a spiker or Carbine to take down a Wookie?
I’m leaning towards the Brutes at the moment….
So how many numbers are on each side?
@Envoy
Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader stated that Kashyyk’s Wroshyr Trees were resistant to Imperial Turbolaser fire, and I imagined that Turbolasers were slightly more powerful than covenant plasma streams.
Either way, I think this is more of a ground battle, and Wookies have Vehicles too, Soldier’s Shadow. Though in physical durability, the Brutes do have the edge, with the Wookies having superior technology and firepower.
So is this a group of brutes vs a group of wookies or race vs race? Am I the only one that feels there needs to be more details in the description?
“Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader stated that Kashyyk’s Wroshyr Trees were resistant to Imperial Turbolaser fire, and I imagined that Turbolasers were slightly more powerful than covenant plasma streams. ”
Hmmm… if that’s true
1. those are badass trees!
2. they are still trees, meaning they can still burn. I’m not positive, but I thik a turbolaser is more of a concussive laser explosion, while a plasma torpedo is a giant blob of pure falming death.I guess my point is that the Turbolaser is more of an artillery shell, while the Plasma is more like napalm. We need to know exactly what about the trees makes them resistant to turbolasers. I think the Plasma might be more effective at burning down the forests than turbolasers.
Also, If the Wookies build their homes on the trees, not in them, then they are vulnerable to whatever is shooting at them. The Brutes don’t need to kill the trees, just the Wookies.
The Brutes may have a few warships, but the main Brute fleet that went with the Prophet of Truth was destroyed. Do we have proof that any Brute ships survived?
I’m still thinking Brutes for the win, they have more variety in weapons, vehicles, shields and armor.
Also, are Scarab’s allowed? Because the Combat Scarab is controlled by Lekgolo worms, does that make it “outside help”
Yes the brutes have more ships, it says so in Halo Evolutions, the story with the Zealot who talks about the war with the brutes many years after the events of Halo 3. It said something like the remaining prophets went into hiding and left the brutes with a bunch of resources. But then the brutes got greedy and shit, and started fighting with each other.
I can get quotes for that if you want.
Please do, although, if that is a canon source, we have to use the current incarnation, so I’m assuming however that Evolutions episode gives us our Brutes.
I haven’t paid any attention to star wars in a while but if I recall from RotS the wookies are
A) good at guerilla warfare and ambushes
and B) agile as shit (not bullet timers but still pretty agile)
also what would a charged bolt caster do to a brute’s shields
“A) good at guerilla warfare and ambushes
and B) agile as shit ”
I don’t remember anything about that being mentioned or viewed in that movie.
Also, a charged bowcaster would probably blow a hole in a Brute’s chest, shields or no. Although a Chieftain might survive it. Bowcaster’s are crazy! But the time it takes to charge up the shot would be pretty much useless considering normal round may very well do more “DPS” to the Brutes.
Wookies also have timed detonator charges that they placed on the rolling tanks. So Wookies would be a very tough opponent. But I still think Brutes are a much more effective fighting force with a wider variety of weapons and not to mention space travel.
Halo Evolutions
The Return
Pg. 338
“For six years after the High Prophet of Truth, the father of all the Prophets‘ lies, died at the hands of the Arbiter, the Shipmaster had taken up the fight against everything that threatened his people. But that was all he had done—respond to threats. Immediately after the death of Truth, the Prophets wished only to preserve their own skins and the Brutes welcomed the newfound opportunity to misuse the weapons, ships, and other tools that had been so rightly denied them since they became part of the Covenant. The Brutes‘ barbarity prevented them from understanding the gifts of the Forerunners, even though they had suddenly received those gifts in abundance and they used them to try to wipe out their former Sangheili masters.”
Oh and here is the episode version(yea they made a motion comic of it, hopefully this is the right one.)
halo.xbox.com/en-us/intel/waypointexclusives/video/the-return/706d5450-24bc-4904-98d0-a64f69570dbf?page=2
So what needs to be clarified I think is what the terrain of the battleground is like, whether vehicles and starships are allowed, and how many there are of each.
Were going to have to do this deadliest warrior style
Brute Height 8’5″ (259cm)
Brute Weight 680 kilograms (1,500 lb)
Brute Most common weapon Type-25 Carbine halo.wikia.com/wiki/Spiker
v.s
Wookie Height Male: 2.2 meters
Wookie Weight 125 kilograms
Wookie most common weapon Bowcasters or Average Blaster pistol
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sporting_blaster
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blaster
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bowcaster
X Factors
Stealth Wookie 65 Brute 60
Reason: With their hair they can easily blend in to the environment just by painting
it as the surrounding and the Wookies have experience with stealth.
Intelligence Wookie 85 Brute 70
Reason: lawl the wookies created space ships with out help, and wookies like chewbaca
are extremely resourceful capable of creating a machine out of scrap to send a distress signal
Speed Wookie 70 Brute 80
Reason: Brutes give spartans hard times the spartans are super soldiers you get the point
Endurance Wookie=Brute=Tie
Reason: Not enough info
Combat Strategies Wookie 90 Brute 70
Reason: holding off the Galactic Empire is pretty impressive instead of charging at the enemy.
If vehicles are included the Brutes get the Chopper.
halo.wikia.com/wiki/Type-25_Rapid_Assault_Vehicle
Strength Wookie 75 Brute 90
Reason: Brutes are stronger then elites, and elites are stronger then spartans
Numbers Wookie 60 Brute 80
Reason: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kashyyyk 45 Million v.s 12.5 Billion [estimated] halo.wikia.com/wiki/Doisac
Finally.
Brutes stand 8 feet tall to 9 feet tall.
Weapons include the fuel rod cannon, spiker, carbine, plasma rifle, plasma canon, and gravity hammers.
If I’m not mistaken, brutes have access to their jump packs and active camo, Unless the Wookies have some sort of thermal visioning gear, they’ll only be able to utilize the acuity of their eyesight to spot the shimmering effect of the camouflage.
Brutes are incredible strong, their gravity hammers are stated to be heavier than a grown man, and are capable of tossing a grown man clad in body armor with enough force to kill upon impact. As seen in Halo 3.
Alot of info comes from the novel Contact Harvest. I got to get some quotes.
Will the Brute chieftain get the gravity storm ability from halo wars? If they do it MIGHT be a game changer. For those who haven’t played Halo Wars, the brute chieftains gravity hammers are capable to create these gravity fields up to 40(?) meters away which can even kill multiple tanks in seconds.
Halo Wars arbiter is better is a fuggin ninja!!!!
“If vehicles are included the Brutes get the Chopper”
GET TO THE CHOPPAH!!!!!
I think that if they get the fuel rod and Camo, the Brutes stand a much better chance of winning this. I don’t recall Wookies having anything that will be able to see Camo’d Brutes.
ooh boy, this is pretty damn even. brutes, because of armor, sheilds, and weapons.
I think with Camo, Grav hammers and maulers, they could win this pretty easily.
@Hitman H94
Yeah wookies far as i know dont have anything as fancy as G.H.s
Hmmm, I had thought a lot of Star wars supporters would argue for the wookie side.
Just a thought: Brute hits wookie with firebomb…
So we agreeing on Brutes are wanna wait for a couple of hours and let more people join in?
I’m in no hurry…
yeah sure.
“Just a thought: Brute hits wookie with firebomb…”
lol probably smells bad…
Well I am gonna go sleep now. I will come back tomorrow.
Are we going with ‘Regular’ Non-Force Using Wookies or are we permitting force-using Wookies to be added to the mix?
“Are we going with ‘Regular’ Non-Force Using Wookies or are we permitting force-using Wookies to be added to the mix?”
umm i dont think so
If they get jedi’s then I think the Brutes should get Tartarus, and the Gravity hammer from Halo Wars.
Still, if its race vs race, then the brutes have advantage in numbers as far as ground battles go, oh and according to Halo Evolutions, Brutes love swinging in trees despite weighing half a ton XD.
Wookie Disruptor Rifles and Bowcasters make for pretty effective weapons.
Tartarus is dead, if we’re going with current incarnation.
@Combine
Tartarus is dead, so the most current incarnation rule porks that idea. But Wookie force users are still possible; and the Vortex ability from Halo Wars seems iffy because it’s never mentioned again in any other Halo media.
Its probably one those things that didn’t seem balanced for FPS, but it is a halo game and nothing says its non-canon so I assume its probably reserved for higher ranking chieftains.
I think Wookies certainly get Jedi, but only ones that are actually mentioned. So you need named Wookie Jedi.
“Intelligence Wookie 85 Brute 70
Reason: lawl the wookies created space ships with out help, and wookies like chewbaca
are extremely resourceful capable of creating a machine out of scrap to send a distress signal ”
I was unaware that Wookies had starships, can we get a quote or link or something? I’m intrigued!
The actions of one particular Wookie don’t necessarily represent the race as a whole. If all Wookies were a Chewie, or a Taarful? Scary thoughts true, but we know that not to be true. As far as I can tell Wookies are very respectful of nature, are superstitious, and are constantly enslaved by some race or another, mostly Trandoshans.
Oh and if you think Halo weaponry is short ranged? prepare to cry
from the link on bowcasters given to us by Carmine
“While decreasingly effective beyond 30 meters, the bowcaster was more powerful and accurate than typical blaster weapons. Some bowcasters could load multiple quarrels to create a spread-fire effect, further enhancing their close range effectiveness, while others could fire specially charged bolts that could ricochet off certain surfaces. They also shot pure bolts that were not engulfed in energy. These would sometimes have poison tips or explosive tips.”
These weapons are massively short ranged! Greatest effectiveness at 30m?? and they say the Assault Rifle is bad -_-
“Magazine Size
40 rounds
Maximum Ammunition
160 rounds or 4 magazines (single wielded)
320 rounds or 8 magazines (dual wielded)
Fire Mode
Fully automatic
Ammunition Type
Superheated Metallic Spikes
Rate of Fire
480 rnds/min
Muzzle Velocity
76.2 m/s (250 f/s)
Accuracy
High (at close range), low (at mid range)
Range
Short-Medium Range
40 meters (131 ft)
The Spiker is actually pretty short ranged itself (40m), but considering its a fully automatic weapon with a 40 round mag, and has two massive blades on the front? Even if it takes 5 spikes to take out a Wookie, that is short work for a pack of Brutes. Also considering Spec Ops Brutes have camo, incendiaries, Spikers, and Maulers?? At the short ranges that these bowcasters are for, the Brutes will have a field day!
^
You just blew my mind!
^
I shall mark it in my Codex of Afflicted Conscripts
would you mind telling me for what reason your mind was blown? Makes a good footnote you understand.
Current Wookiees would be around Fel Empire and Brutes would be around Halo 3, as long as the Wookiees can defend themselves from space bombardment I think they are good.
bowcasters…
30 meters…
:O!!!!
Yup, that is, as long as the wiki page is from a reliable source. Carmine put it up, and it has been the only thing we have seen, so for now It is what I’m going to believe.
I was surprised to see 30m myself. I guess Wookies just prefer to get up close and personal. Even though a Brute would go ape-shit, excuse my pun
on a Wookie up close.
@Nacho
Then get disintegrated by the Wookie’s Disruptor Rifle.
But also, a lot of Kashyyk’s cities are either situated on islands or have a lot of water around them, something that would slow down brutes if it is on the battlefield and the Wookies had Gunboat Catamarans for water Combat. Do the Brutes have any water based vehicles? And The Wookies also have their own flying vehicles, as well as giant flying insects that they occasionally ride. They may be slighly less maneuverable, but I think they pack more firepower than a Banshee, if the Brutes even get those.
From the wiki page
Bowcaster
Range
Optimum range: 30 meters
Maximum range: 50 meters
The source is apparently The Official Star Wars Fact File, some sort of large “encyclopedia” of magazines all about Star Wars. It was mostly a European thing though.
Hello Wroshyr trees
halo.wikia.com/wiki/Antimatter_charge
Goodbye Wroshyr Trees
The disruptor seems to be the only good handheld weapon wookies have, I checked the “slugthrower” and apparently it has the same range as the UNSC Assault Rifle(300 meters), and the “long gun” is also a close range weapon according to wookipedia. I think the brutes might actually win this, they got troops with jetpacks, invisible assassins, Chieftains with Invisibility, Choppers with four 35mm autocannons, Banshees, Seraph fighters, and they got some decent heavy weapons(Fuel rod, Plasma Launcher, Plasma Cannon, Brute Shot, The Gravity Hammer)
Don’t forget Gluttonous its Neutral Area.
… I would like to point out not all bowcasters(about half) are slugthrowers so those numbers are BS…
@Gluttonous
Ghosts of Onyx
pg. 300-301
“The Hunters fired, outlining both Spartans in the blinding green radiation for a
split second.
The overpressure of both point-blank fuel-rod cannon detonations threw Kelly,
Will, and Lucy into the air.
Holly exploded backwards spray of molten SPI armor, disintegrating flesh, and
jets of smoke.”
A Hunters assault cannon is about on par to a Fuel Rod, and it disintegrated much of a spartan III.
I know its not the same tech as a Disruptor, but it kinda does similar amounts of damage.
Um, I thought slugthrowers were different from bowcasters? Slugthrowers are projectile weaponry yes? And Bowcasters are some kind of Blaster tech.
Bowcasters are not blasters they fire an explosive quarrel, but some wookies modify theirs to shoot blaster bolts, or even operate as regular crossbows…
“George Lucas has decreed that there can be no more Wookiee Jedi in the Expanded Universe.[10][11] Notably, Obsidian Entertainment was forbidden to make Hanharr a Dark Jedi because of this restriction. Kirlocca, Lowbacca, and Tyvokka are the only existing Wookiee Jedi characters (though an unnamed Wookiee in Edge of Victory: Conquest appears to be an unknown Jedi student rather than Lowbacca), as they were developed before this policy was enacted.”
Not too sure on this Wookie Jedi thing, if the big GL says no? Can we really say yes??
I was under the Impression that it was just each team’s own tech; spikers, maulers, hammers, flame grenades-the like. Because if both sides get to just use the technology of their allies, then the Wookies by that reasoning should be able to obtain just about any other widely produced piece of Technology that allies of the Wookies (Everyone not explicitly evil) because they trade extensively with other species. Hundreds of Golan Arms Orbital Defense Platforms?
And Mgalekgolo Assault Cannons are very similar to Fuel Rod guns, but on a much higher level, so it’s not exactly the same damage rate. Though I did kind of Laugh at how the Spartan IIIs got atomized by them.
I’d just leave the whole Wook Jedi thing alone, its more trouble then its worth.
But brutes don’t trade or buy Fuel Rods and all those other covy weapons, it’s given to them as standard weaponry(depending on rank). I think we should only use the weapons that both sides normally use, unless you can give exact numbers on how many wookies used certain special weapons from other worlds.
I thought this was pretty even till the Bowcaster became a short range weapon… Brutes also wear armor, alot of it depending on rank. Not sure if its helpful, but Wookies have fur… Spiker rounds wont have much trouble going through that. Jet packs will make them more versatile, even allowing them to get closer for H2H if the need to. Then the rest of the equipment they have will just make it harder for the Wookies.
Wookie jedi? if there is it may cause alot of damage, but that being said, if it’s only one it can only stay on one island or village at a time… If brutes can keep tabs on it they can launch attacks every it is not and retreat (or kill it) when it comes by.
@ sgtnacho
Give me George Lucas’s actual quote… cuz having no Wookie Jedis makes no sense…
@Combine
‘it’s given to them as standard weaponry’
The covies GIVE them that weapon… Their weapons are made by them, for them.
Just pointing it out… I may be wrong…
Its still STANDARD weapons that they used during halo 3. I’m asking are the weapons that wookies get from their allies standard among all their troops or just a select few? If its just a few random ones that get it then it won’t help the wookies much.
I was just pointing it out… Those weapons were given them by the covies, and the covies are outside help. Unless they own the weapons then it isnt their arsenal. Its standard cause they were still in the Covenant, and their outside help in the battle. But anyways…
The only way The Brutes are getting to the islands (if the above point stands) is by Prowler… If it doesnt than they got plenty of banshees and dropships at their disposal. Their Armed and Armored quite well, maybe even better than some of the Wookies flying vehicles because of armor (Not Banshee’s, Dropships)
@Everyone
You mean Lowie and a few other Wookies are the only Force-Using Wookies in Star Wars, at all?
Awww man!!!!
@Draco
I guess this needs to be repeated.
Carmine
“Factpile rules
state neutral battle ground and current incarnations”
Its not taking place on the Wookie homeworld.
@ZomB
Sorry, I got the “quote” from Wookiepedia, but under further investigation all I got for “proof” was a forum thread. Apologies.
I heard somewhere though that at most they have maybe one or two Wookiee Jedi at a time.
I still stand by however that the Wookiees need named Jedi that are alive during current incarnation. They can’t just have as many Jedi as they want and what not.
“One would figure it’s the Brutes invading Kashyeek”
Neutral. Battle. Field.
“…Couldnt the Brutes spacerape the fuzzballs?”
Do Wookies not have ships of their own…?
“Wookies would be the end of Episode 6,”
Probably not a good idea since they wouldn’t really be fighting fit IIRC in that time frame.
“Are the books considered Canon for this?”
Only if the OP calls for it.
“Ok first I got no idea what E.U means or how its different to canon.”
Expanded Universe.
“So is this a group of brutes vs a group of wookies or race vs race? Am I the only one that feels there needs to be more details in the description?”
This is a common problem so far on FP. I myself am even guilty about a lack of details.
“Reason: lawl the wookies created space ships with out help, and wookies like chewbaca
are extremely resourceful capable of creating a machine out of scrap to send a distress signal ”
That’s more tech level then intelligence. Brutes were in fact on their way to getting there. We don’t even know how old their civiliation is. For all we know they got to slug throwing guns 2 years after getting a written language. We just don’t know.
“If they get jedi’s then I think the Brutes should get Tartarus,”
Why? Tartarus is dead. That’s breaking the rules. Whereas Wookies could have Jedi regardless without screwing with any rules. Besides, Tartarus is JUST another Chieftan. He’s only stronger via gameplay mechanics.
“These weapons are massively short ranged! Greatest effectiveness at 30m?? and they say the Assault Rifle is bad -_- ”
30 meters for a SCOPED RIFLE. They must be blinde.
“Yup, that is, as long as the wiki page is from a reliable source”
Always check that source. Or better yet…grab info from the source and not the wiki.
“was under the Impression that it was just each team’s own tech; spikers, maulers, hammers, flame grenades-the like. Because if both sides get to just use the technology of their allies, then the Wookies by that reasoning should be able to obtain just about any other widely produced piece of Technology that allies of the Wookies (Everyone not explicitly evil) because they trade extensively with other species. Hundreds of Golan Arms Orbital Defense Platforms?”
Negative. The difference is that the Brutes actually HAVE this technology and equipment already. If the wookie has to trade to get someone else’s shit then it’s outside help.
“@ sgtnacho
Give me George Lucas’s actual quote… cuz having no Wookie Jedis makes no sense…”
I’m kind of curious about that myself too.
So……..HOW many on each side exactly???
Each gets their whole race if I’m not mistaken
@Combine
X| I read through the thread… Why the hell did I think this was Wookie homeworld?? Excuse my mistake.
If its only one or two, they would cause some damage… but eventualy they would be taken down too. Jedi have been killed before, with enemies and weapons they’ve never seen before will they be able to work at their best?
‘The difference is that the Brutes actually HAVE this technology and equipment already. If the wookie has to trade to get someone else’s shit then it’s outside help.’
The Covenant supplied these weapons, they don’t really belong to the brutes… Soldiers don’t own their guns, their given to them to use. If this is correct (I may be wrong) then Brutes carrying Covenant weapons do not have them… But the weapons that were made by Brutes are theirs (Brute shot, spiker, ect)
“The difference is that the Brutes actually HAVE this technology and equipment already. If the wookie has to trade to get someone else’s shit then it’s outside help.’
The Covenant supplied these weapons, they don’t really belong to the brutes… Soldiers don’t own their guns, their given to them to use. If this is correct (I may be wrong) then Brutes carrying Covenant weapons do not have them… But the weapons that were made by Brutes are theirs (Brute shot, spiker, ect)”
So Vader doesn’t get his suit? Master Chief has no gun and or MJOLNIR armor? Vader’s suit was put on him, who said he owns it? The Chief uses guns and armor and is who he is based on what the UNSC gave him.
These were simply given to these guys. Yet we always let them have them. If something is your standard equipment or is something you have been shown as using on multiple accounts then you can use it (as long as the OP doesn’t say no)
Outside Help doesn’t apply here, as long as the “Covenant Tech” is being manned, operated, repaired, and carried by just Brutes? their good. However I said they shouldn’t get Combat Scarabs due to the Lekgolo piloting system.
“If its only one or two, they would cause some damage… but eventualy they would be taken down too. Jedi have been killed before, with enemies and weapons they’ve never seen before will they be able to work at their best?”
I agree, the Jedi will certainly help, but considering they get no assistance of any kind from the rest of the Order they won’t be a game changer. I’m still calling for current incarnation Wookie Jedi however. So if we are using the Wookie at the end of Episode 6 then I’m guessing they don’t have one (just guess, I have no proof, just thinking that since they have been in Imperial captivity a large portion of time any Force users would’ve been killed)
While its a close match I think that the Wookies come out in the end due to the fact that they have held off superior forces before both with and without help. The bowcasters have a wide variety of potential customization’s based on the preference of the user. Also they have ingenuity and agility. Their weapons are also described by some as an amazing blend of nature and tech.
I am by no means saying the Brutes are not powerful. I believe they will put up a good fight but in the end fail.
@Nacho
…So my point is disproven… At least you agree with the Jedi part
@Guardian
Bowcasters have an effective range of 30 meters… unless these customizations increase their range its not gonna be the deciding factor… Brutes are great at close range and with the weapons Wookies have it gives them the perfect opening for these attacks.
Jesus… All the threads are being Swallowed whole by another… I can barely keep track of posts in this one, let alone any of the others people are hoping to bring up…
@Nacho and Draco
We need clarification from either Admin or the OP; it seems like the debate is at a standstill until we can determine exactly what each side gets. And until the Prophets went stupid, the Sangheili carried very strict restrictions on exactly what the Jiralhanae could use; Maccabeus from Contact Harvest wasn’t even allowed to have gravity lifts on the Rapid Conversion. Of course that all changed after Halo 2 Ended, but we still need to know what counts as the Brute’s and what was specifically “Covenant.”
@GB
Going by current incarnation, the Brutes had whatever weapons they had in Halo 3 before the Covenant collapsed which was basically the whole Covenant arsenal of handheld weapons. The Elites are generally allowed the same in their match-ups, why are the Brutes to be treated differently?
@SS
Sounds fair enough to me, but throwing in starships to just glass everything seems a little cheap for anything but a fight including the Holy Imperial Navy. Would Starships count as outside help? I don’t see any problem with other Vehicles though. What is you’re position on Wookie force-users?
I’ve been searching around Google and such, I have discovered that Hanhaar from KotOR 2 was originally going to be a Dark Jedi, however Lucas said no because the Wookiees couldn’t have Jedi. I’m still looking for proof, but as I said earlier, it has been on every wiki page involving Wookies and Hanhaar himself. I also found this thread on the Old Republic site
www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=371836
I know it isn’t proof, but I’m still looking for the actual quotes.
“Sounds fair enough to me, but throwing in starships to just glass everything seems a little cheap for anything but a fight including the Holy Imperial Navy. Would Starships count as outside help? I don’t see any problem with other Vehicles though. What is you’re position on Wookie force-users?”
Starships may be overkill as then the Brutes would just vaporize the hairballs easily so maybe they should be excluded. I wouldn’t know if they’d be considered outside help or not, kinda hard to judge since they’re manned by all sorts of Covenant species. Not my call.
I don’t think Wookie Force users would count much as I recall reading how not many were even in existence with only like one every 100 years or so?
boards.darkhorse.com/viewtopic.php?t=7257&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=394471&page=2
www.gamefaqs.com/boards/951199-/55310069
www.swtor.com/community/archive/index.php/t-36310.html
As far as I can tell it is a “rumor” that has been around for a long time now. It is believed to be true and to have been “passed down through the ranks” by Lucas. Some think that the original reasoning was so that Yoda would go to Kashyyk in Ep.III, and not some Wookie Jedi. However there have been NO new Wookie Jedi and little to no mention of them, even the pre-established ones, in the EU since he said that.
Wish I had a real effin’ quote -_-
We need someone who can make official rulings for this; we aren’t getting anywhere at this rate.