Suggested by ladidala
Fresh off the heels of one of the biggest movie openings globally, arriving from the Harry Potter universe is Voldemort going up against another master of evil in Ganondorf, from the Legend of Zelda franchise.
The fight would take place in Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, and both combatants will have use of their regular powers.
For the purpose of this fight, Voldemort will be in possession of the Elder Wand and it will work for him fully. Also, a small handful of 5 silver arrows (complete with evil’s bane) will await Voldemort in the Great Hall of Hogwarts should he need them.
Who would win?
@Negative Zero”Voldly still can’t fling those arrows fast enough.”- I don’t know what you’re basing that on. If he’s right next to Ganondorf, he doesn’t need to be particuarly fast. Either way, he CAN fling them at high speeds anyway. ”It’s within his ability to encase someone in a barrier, he’s pretty flexible with that ability.”- How do you know? In the video you provided me with, he used the barriers to create an enclosed battlefield. He didn’t encase anyone inside the barriers. “Also, arrows and other projectiles DO bounce off his barriers. In fact, just touching them hurts Link and knocks him on his ass.”- Yes, I’m sure they do. I’m not disputing that. I’m just saying that Ganondorf has never been shown to use these barriers to block something flying straight towards his face. Whenever I say Voldemort would fling Silver Arrows at Ganondorf, you tell me that Ganon would simply block them with his barriers… yet he’s never been shown to block things in such a manner.”Yes, arrows bounce off the barriers.”- Really, see above. Ganondorf DOES NOT USE THE BARRIERS TO BLOCK THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY FLYING STRAIGHT AT HIM. ”1. Watch the end of the video Marcel posted in comment #292.2. Do you have any proof that the Elder Wand is stronger then the Fused Shadows? Just a FRACTION of the FS’s power was enough to pop Zant like a fucking ballon.3. Yes, projectiles bounce off the barriers….but when Ganondorf can dodge/block arrows at point blank range, that hardly matters.”1. I already have.2. You know I can’t prove that. I can’t ask you to prove that the Fused Shadows are stronger than the Elder Wand either. They’re from different worlds. All I know is that if Voldemort can crack a giant barrier surrounding an enourmous castle, it’s logical to assume he can blast his way through some of Ganondorf’s barriers. I’m not saying it would be easy, but since he has the Elder Wand, I see no reason why it wouldn’t be possible. Spells such as Reducto ought to do the trick. The thing is though, I don’t really see the point of Ganon using the barriers. Yes, he could shield himself from Voldemort, but then he wouldn’t be able to get at Voldemort either, or search for the Horcruxes.3. Show me a video of Ganondorf blocking arrows at point blank range.@Everyone- It may have been forgotten, but Ganondorf and Voldemort will start out at opposite ends of the castle. Voldemort on one side, Ganondorf on the other. Once Voldemort has the Silver Arrows, he can easily just go into hiding, literally anywhere. Then Ganondorf walks about the castle (which is huge) to find the Horcrux in Ravenclaw tower, with Voldemort watching him from the shadows all the time. Voldemort waits for the best moment, and silently dispatches a Silver Arrow whilst Ganon’s back is turned. Or he waits for Ganon to find the Horcrux in Ravenclaw tower, and kills him whilst Ganon is distracted by the Horcrux. That would work.
I’ll try posting that again… *sigh*
@Negative Zero
“Voldly still can’t fling those arrows fast enough.”
– I don’t know what you’re basing that on. If he’s right next to Ganondorf, he doesn’t need to be particuarly fast. Either way, he CAN fling them at high speeds anyway.
“It’s within his ability to encase someone in a barrier, he’s pretty flexible with that ability.”
- How do you know? In the video you provided me with, he used the barriers to create an enclosed battlefield. He didn’t encase anyone inside the barriers.
“Also, arrows and other projectiles DO bounce off his barriers. In fact, just touching them hurts Link and knocks him on his ass.”
- Yes, I’m sure they do. I’m not disputing that. I’m just saying that Ganondorf has never been shown to use these barriers to block something flying straight towards his face. Whenever I say Voldemort would fling Silver Arrows at Ganondorf, you tell me that Ganon would simply block them with his barriers… yet he’s never been shown to block things in such a manner.
“Yes, arrows bounce off the barriers.”
- Really, see above. Ganondorf DOES NOT USE THE BARRIERS TO BLOCK THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY FLYING STRAIGHT AT HIM.
“1. Watch the end of the video Marcel posted in comment #292.
2. Do you have any proof that the Elder Wand is stronger then the Fused Shadows? Just a FRACTION of the FS’s power was enough to pop Zant like a fucking ballon.
3. Yes, projectiles bounce off the barriers….but when Ganondorf can dodge/block arrows at point blank range, that hardly matters.”
1. I already have.
2. You know I can’t prove that. I can’t ask you to prove that the Fused Shadows are stronger than the Elder Wand either. They’re from different worlds. All I know is that if Voldemort can crack a giant barrier surrounding an enourmous castle, it’s logical to assume he can blast his way through some of Ganondorf’s barriers. I’m not saying it would be easy, but since he has the Elder Wand, I see no reason why it wouldn’t be possible. Spells such as Reducto ought to do the trick. The thing is though, I don’t really see the point of Ganon using the barriers. Yes, he could shield himself from Voldemort, but then he wouldn’t be able to get at Voldemort either, or search for the Horcruxes.
3. Show me a video of Ganondorf blocking arrows at point blank range.
@Everyone
- It may have been forgotten, but Ganondorf and Voldemort will start out at opposite ends of the castle. Voldemort on one side, Ganondorf on the other. Once Voldemort has the Silver Arrows, he can easily just go into hiding, literally anywhere. Then Ganondorf walks about the castle (which is huge) to find the Horcrux in Ravenclaw tower, with Voldemort watching him from the shadows all the time. Voldemort waits for the best moment, and silently dispatches a Silver Arrow whilst Ganon’s back is turned. Or he waits for Ganon to find the Horcrux in Ravenclaw tower, and kills him whilst Ganon is distracted by the Horcrux. That would work.
@Marcel
“He encased an ENTIRE CASTLE in the barrier. It would be a small thing to make it smaller, don’t you think? Oh yeah, the castle was INHABITED when he did this, so yes, he did encase it around a person–multiple people, in fact.”
- He has never been shown to encase a person inside a barrier 360 degree style. You’re assuming, and there’s no proof he could do this to Voldemort during a fight. If he could, why not encase Link in one of these barriers? Oh, that’s right, he never did.
“Does Voldemort, with the power of the elder wand, have enough power to cover an entire world in an alternate dimension? Zant did, and he got torn apart by JUST A FRACTION of the fused shadow’s power. Midna used her FULL power to crack through Ganon’s barrier, and the effort left her UNCONSCIOUS. If Voldemort doesn’t even have the power to put an entire world into another state of being, then there is no possible way he can crack that barrier. He fails–by exponential proportions. So, it’s only logical and reasonable to assume he CAN’T.”
- That kind of magic doesn’t happen in HP. In certain games and movies, other dimensions exist. There are no other dimensions in Harry Potter. You’re taking an ability from one franchise, like you would an item, and trying to apply it to another. That doesn’t work. It’s both reasonable and logical to assume Voldemort would be able to break the barriers with some force due to the feats he’s already achieved. And if I’m honest, it doesn’t matter, because Ganondorf can’t encase people inside barriers anyway.
“Find out what? The truth? The truth is in the video. I exaggerated or lied about nothing.”
- Ganondorf didn’t encase someone inside a barrier. You lied.
“Seeing as Ganon can just put a barrier over Voldy and keep him trapped as long as he wants, he has all the time in the world to find the horcruxes under the rubble.”
- Ganon can’t trap anyone inside a barrier. Try again.
And I don’t think Ganon’s gonna find it underneath that rubble, not to mention when he comes back for Nagini.
“Once Ganon destroys said horcruxes, silver arrows aren’t even necessary to kill Voldy. Ganon has many, many other ways of making wizard soup out of people.”
- That’s great. He can’t destroy the Horcruxes though, so…
“Ganon for the FP award. ”
- Proof is required.
“All I know is that if Voldemort can crack a giant barrier surrounding an enourmous castle,”
But he CAN’T.
”Yes, he could shield himself from Voldemort, but then he wouldn’t be able to get at Voldemort either, or search for the Horcruxes.”
Unless he put it over Voldemort, like he did all those other people in the castle. Then he has all the time he wants.
“ 3. Show me a video of Ganondorf blocking arrows at point blank range.”
I’ve been trying to find it, but it looks like I’ll just have to make one myself. The point is, he can do it, and has done it in more than one game. I’ll get around to posting it soon, in any case.
what i don’t get, is that if Ganondorf has much more telekinetic force proven so far, why he can’t just take away or destroy the elder wand…..easy way to make voldemort HAVE to wait for ganondorf to kill him. as i remember from the movies(if this part is canon), the elder wand can be snapped in half by a twig like british kid.
@Marcel
“But he CAN’T.”
– You’re saying he didn’t crack an enourmous barrier around Hogwarts? I’m a tad confused.
“Unless he put it over Voldemort, like he did all those other people in the castle. Then he has all the time he wants.”
- He puts it over Voldemort? I think you mean completely around Voldmort, right? Yeah, he can’t do that.
“I’ve been trying to find it, but it looks like I’ll just have to make one myself. The point is, he can do it, and has done it in more than one game. I’ll get around to posting it soon, in any case.”
– What do you mean by make one yourself? Hurry up and provide some online proof.
@Marcel “But he CAN’T.” – You’re saying he didn’t crack an enourmous barrier around Hogwarts? I’m a tad confused. “Unless he put it over Voldemort, like he did all those other people in the castle. Then he has all the time he wants.” - He puts it over Voldemort? I think you mean completely around Voldmort, right? Yeah, he can’t do that. “I’ve been trying to find it, but it looks like I’ll just have to make one myself. The point is, he can do it, and has done it in more than one game. I’ll get around to posting it soon, in any case.” – What do you mean by make one yourself? Hurry up and provide some online proof.
Mike – Voldemort is holding the wand in his hand. You really think it’s just gonna fly away? I think not. That’s why disarming spells don’t work on powerful wizards when they’re ready for a duel. It’s not that simple.
“Mike – Voldemort is holding the wand in his hand. You really think it’s just gonna fly away? I think not. That’s why disarming spells don’t work on powerful wizards when they’re ready for a duel. It’s not that simple.”
-none of that explains why or how this can’t happen, you’ll need to explain with some evidence of how this works, because potter world wand holders HAVE had their wands disarmed.
“- Ganondorf didn’t encase someone inside a barrier. You lied. ”
The castle had PEOPLE IN IT. I didn’t lie.
“ There are no other dimensions in Harry Potter.”
The RoR isn’t in another dimension, or use powers from another dimension?
”You’re taking an ability from one franchise, like you would an item, and trying to apply it to another.”
That’s the point of FP.
“ - Ganon can’t trap anyone inside a barrier. Try again. ”
He trapped MULTIPLE people inside a barrier. Try again”.
“ And I don’t think Ganon’s gonna find it underneath that rubble,”
He can just move all the rubble with his TK.
“ not to mention when he comes back for Nagini. ”
Nagini is with Voldemort, trapped inside the barrier. Once the other horcruxes are destroyed, it’s a small matter of dispelling the barrier, pulling Nagini out of Voldy’s sleeve, and finishing her off as well.
“Proof is required.”
Proof was given, you just ignored it. Seriously, half the stuff I already posted previously is proof against your response post.
“Voldemort is holding the wand in his hand. You really think it’s just gonna fly away? I think not. That’s why disarming spells don’t work on powerful wizards when they’re ready for a duel. It’s not that simple.”
Tell that to Gandalf. It IS that simple.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Vyhve9gtg
“I think you mean completely around Voldmort, right? Yeah, he can’t do that.”
He did it around a castle with people in it. Yeah, he can do that.
“– What do you mean by make one yourself? Hurry up and provide some online proof”
He means he’ll have to record himself shooting arrows at Ganondorf, post it on youtube, and then post it here. He’s going out of his way to shut your ass up, THAT’S what he means.
In the meantime you’ll have to settle for the Wind Waker Ganondorf battle.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_yXb6rLHJg
(Link’s name is changed to Craig in this video to avoid cofusion.)
2:25-onward he can jump clear over an arrow fired from BEHIND him without seeing it. Keep in mind that while TP Ganon and WW Ganon are on a split timeline, the 2 Ganondorf’s share VERY similar reaction speed when it comes to arrows. In fact, the WW and TP Ganon battle happen at the exact same time in the 2 timelines.
@ NZ
I didn’t really have the heart to tell him that, lol
@Mike
“-none of that explains why or how this can’t happen, you’ll need to explain with some evidence of how this works, because potter world wand holders HAVE had their wands disarmed.”
- It kinda does. You clearly don’t know very much about Harry Potter, or you wouldn’t be saying this. Either that or you’re just choosing to be difficult. Can you provide me with video evidence of Ganondorf using telekinesis to pry something straight out of someone’s hand? I doubt it. If it were that easy, why do you think neither Voldemort or Dumbledore never used any disarming spells when they were fighting each other? Common sense Mike… something that you’re severely lacking.
@Marcel
“The castle had PEOPLE IN IT. I didn’t lie.”
- Yes, TECHNICALLY, you didn’t lie. But I think you know exactly what I mean. You took a truth and manipulated it. He may have surrounded the castle in a barrier, but he didn’t encase the barrier around an actual person in the style you implied. In this case, Voldemort isn’t going to be leaving Hogwarts, so it doesn’t matter. Ganondorf can’t encase barriers around people themselves - please provide some evidence to state the contrary.
“The RoR isn’t in another dimension, or use powers from another dimension?”
- No, the Room of Requirement isn’t another dimension.
“That’s the point of FP.”
- No, the point of FactPile is facts. It’s a fact that other dimensions don’t exist in the Harry Potter universe. Sometimes, some of the same things exist in more than one universe. In this particular case, other dimensions don’t.
“He trapped MULTIPLE people inside a barrier. Try again”.”
- He trapped a castle with people in it inside a barrier. Hypothetically, if there hadn’t been a castle, would he have been able to trap those people inside barriers 360 degree style so that they couldn’t move anywhere at all? No. At least there’s no evidence to suggest so anyway. Try again, and this time, don’t lie.
“He can just move all the rubble with his TK.”
- And all the thousands of other objects that are scattered around Hogwarts? The Horcrux would be lost much like a needle in a haystack. It would take hours for Ganondorf to locate it, and sadly, he doesn’t have hours. I imagine it would be difficult to find a Horcrux whilst being blasted by Voldemort. Then of course, if he destroys the first Horcrux, he has to chase down Voldemort and get to Nagini, which he can’t do if Nagini is up Voldemort’s sleeve. Nagini is also quite deadly, so it would basically be two against one.
“Nagini is with Voldemort, trapped inside the barrier. Once the other horcruxes are destroyed, it’s a small matter of dispelling the barrier, pulling Nagini out of Voldy’s sleeve, and finishing her off as well.”
- This is funny stuff to read. Firstly, I won’t even respond properly to the first part of that – I’ve addressed the whole barrier thing above.
And lastly, Ganondorf is gonna pull Nagini out of Voldemort’s sleeve, how? That was the funniest part. So he’s gonna stick his hand up there? Not to mention of course, that Voldemort simply apparates away the minute Ganondorf dispels the barrier – which wouldn’t exist in the first place (see above).
“Proof was given, you just ignored it. Seriously, half the stuff I already posted previously is proof against your response post.”
- Really Marcel, you should consider becoming a politician. Politicians always say they’ve provided evidence for stuff when they actually haven’t. Show me a video of Ganondorf encasing an ACTUAL PERSON inside a barrier, NOT A CASTLE WITH PEOPLE INSIDE IT. I hope that was clear enough for you.
I just find it a little odd that Ganondorf can supposedly encase people inside these barriers when they’re right in front of him, yet he never did this to Link. Of course, you’ll have some kind of excuse for this, which I’m eager to hear.
“Tell that to Gandalf. It IS that simple.”
- Okay, I just did. You know what he said? He said “ladidala, you silly prick, Lord of the Rings is NOT Harry Potter! Only a complete idiot would say something like that. Please, get out of my sight.”
“He did it around a castle with people in it. Yeah, he can do that.”
- But not to people themselves. Oh, so he can’t do it! Such lies.
@Negative Zero
“In the meantime you’ll have to settle for the Wind Waker Ganondorf battle.”
- I really won’t. We’re using TP Ganondorf.
“I didn’t really have the heart to tell him that, lol”
Good thing I can be a mean asshole.
“Nagini is also quite deadly, so it would basically be two against one.”
Oh wow, send a fucking snake to fight Ganondorf Dragmire…….good luck with that.
“- I really won’t. We’re using TP Ganondorf.”
I know that. I posted that video because the 2 Ganondorf’s reaction times are basically the same.
About the barriers- Common sense would dictate that if somebody can create a GIANT barrier around an entire castle, then it would ONLY be much easier to create a small barrier around a person. This is backed up even moreso by the fact that Ganondorf shows to be able to create barriers of different sizes and shapes.
About Ganondorf’s TK- While possessing Zelda, Ganondorf was able to toss Midna around without any effort. I’m no scientist, but I’m sure Midna is heavier then a snake that can fit in a sleeve.
“- It kinda does. You clearly don’t know very much about Harry Potter, or you wouldn’t be saying this. Either that or you’re just choosing to be difficult. Can you provide me with video evidence of Ganondorf using telekinesis to pry something straight out of someone’s hand? I doubt it. If it were that easy, why do you think neither Voldemort or Dumbledore never used any disarming spells when they were fighting each other? Common sense Mike… something that you’re severely lacking.”
-that in no way answered anything at all with any evidence at all too boot. maybe you ought to get some common sense. claiming i don’t have common sense because i don’t know every single detail about a fantasy series, or that i don’t take game mechanics that weren’t writtten into a game(disarming with TK) or plot devices(not just being raped by ganondorf) also shows you don’t have common sense.
-so please actually answer my previous question. ganondorf has shown strong enough TK to hold up a castle, unless voldemort has shown similar levels of TK or the ability to block it somehow, he will lose his wand when first encountering ganondorf and it will be snapped.
Common sense
In sociology we are taught and trained to not rely on that seeing as how it hinders the judgement.
@blood dancer
-the word was used loosely since i was basically throwing it back in his face, but sociology teaches you to not listen to common sense(or do you literally mean rely on, because that is obvious as to why you wouldn’t completely rely on it)?
merriam-webster
common sense:
sound and prudent judgment based on a simple perception of the situation or facts
“Show me a video of Ganondorf encasing an ACTUAL PERSON inside a barrier, NOT A CASTLE WITH PEOPLE INSIDE IT”
The fact that he did the latter is far more impressive. But due to your obstinate nature, you obviously can’t handle anything that means you’re flat out WRONG, on many, many levels of this argument, and it gets labeled a blatant lie. I will still look for the other stuff I wanted to, though, just to seal this argument up so tight that Ganon gets his FP without any crap or complaints from anyone (except Ladi, of course)
”And lastly, Ganondorf is gonna pull Nagini out of Voldemort’s sleeve, how? That was the funniest part. So he’s gonna stick his hand up there?”
Ever heard of TK? The TK that Ganon held an ENTIRE CASTLE up with for THREE FLIPPING MINUTES? The same TK that Ganon can use to wrench the wand out of Voldy’s grip? Yeah, that WAS funny.
“ yet he never did this to Link.”
Link had Midna to break him out.
”- I really won’t. We’re using TP Ganondorf.”
Just wait a while, man. I’ll make the vid soon.
@Negative Zero
“Oh wow, send a fucking snake to fight Ganondorf Dragmire…….good luck with that.”
- At least bother to research Nagini before commenting on her. Nagini AND Voldemort Vs Ganondorf. Nagini is obviously a lot tougher than your average snake. By the way, it might be nice to see a video of one of Ganondorf’s death curses. Please don’t tell me you made them up.
“About the barriers- Common sense would dictate that if somebody can create a GIANT barrier around an entire castle, then it would ONLY be much easier to create a small barrier around a person. This is backed up even moreso by the fact that Ganondorf shows to be able to create barriers of different sizes and shapes.”
- I see what you mean, but if this was the case, he surely would have done so when he was fighting Link. That’s common sense. He has NEVER done that to a person. Surely if he could, he would have done it at least once. But he never has, which would imply that he can’t. Perhaps Ganon can’t create them around living creatures like that, only objects. Sure, he can create an enclosed battlefield, but he can’t trap a person inside an actual barrier. He can surround castles that people are INSIDE with barriers, but not the people themselves.
“About Ganondorf’s TK- While possessing Zelda, Ganondorf was able to toss Midna around without any effort. I’m no scientist, but I’m sure Midna is heavier then a snake that can fit in a sleeve.”
- Yes, but Midna wasn’t up a sleeve! If Voldemort holds onto Nagini, how is Ganondorf going to get her? Does Ganondorf have to possess people before he can use the telekinesis? I just don’t know very much about his abilities with this. Can he use telekinesis on living creatures or just objects? Because I know Voldemort isn’t going to be possessed.
@Mike – I’ve already answered you. Clearly you were a tad irritated by my previous comment, so you’ve decided to continue acting like a stubborn little prick. Nice.
1. Show me some evidence of Ganon using TK to snatch something right out of someone’s hand.
2. There are disarming spells in Harry Potter – yet powerful wizards like Voldemort don’t get disarmed. Why do you think this is? *common sense bitch*
3. There’s a difference between using TK on something that’s just lying there and something that someone’s actually holding.
4. Your argument is probably the most pathetic one that’s been brought up so far. I can tell that you’re as thick as shit by just talking to you – no wonder people complain about your comprehension skills. It’s obvious that you’re not going to change your tune on this one, so please just leave and don’t bother coming back. No more of your wank.
@Marcel
“The fact that he did the latter is far more impressive. But due to your obstinate nature, you obviously can’t handle anything that means you’re flat out WRONG, on many, many levels of this argument, and it gets labeled a blatant lie. I will still look for the other stuff I wanted to, though, just to seal this argument up so tight that Ganon gets his FP without any crap or complaints from anyone (except Ladi, of course)”
- It doesn’t really matter which one is more impressive. It matters which one he can do. If someone can just show me a video of Ganon encasing an actual person inside a barrier, then there won’t be a problem. You can accuse me of being obstinate all you like - but what’s obstinate is the fact that you over exaggerated what the barriers can do. He’s never encased a barrier over a person - that’s not my fault.
“Ever heard of TK? The TK that Ganon held an ENTIRE CASTLE up with for THREE FLIPPING MINUTES? The same TK that Ganon can use to wrench the wand out of Voldy’s grip? Yeah, that WAS funny.”
- There’s a difference between using TK on an object and using it on something that someone’s actually holding. Any evidence that Ganon can use TK to snatch things right out of people’s hands? Why didn’t he snatch Link’s bow and arrow away? You’re right, it just got funnier.
“@Mike – I’ve already answered you. Clearly you were a tad irritated by my previous comment, so you’ve decided to continue acting like a stubborn little prick. Nice.”
-you answered with no reason why it cannot be done other than your opinion, so if you consider me asking for proof of..well…anything, being a prick, then by all means i am a prick in your opinion.
“1. Show me some evidence of Ganon using TK to snatch something right out of someone’s hand.”
-specific uses of it are not needed when we see him have a level of control over it that shows he can do it, as in castle(large scale) and midna(small scale). unless you think smaller is necessary then i’d just suggest ganondorf bangs voldemort against a wall with TK until he drops it.
“2. There are disarming spells in Harry Potter – yet powerful wizards like Voldemort don’t get disarmed. Why do you think this is? *common sense bitch*”
-i think it is because they protect themselves from disarming spells, not telekinesis……..and you still haven’t given a reason to why this would work against voldemort. telekinesis isn’t a spell that you can “block” or whatever(you actually never even explained how they don’t get disarmed).
“3. There’s a difference between using TK on something that’s just lying there and something that someone’s actually holding.”
-are you trying to say he cannot target a smaller object or something? because that’s the only difference, and i just gave an example of how ganondorf doesn’t even need to prove he can use telekinesis on small things earlier in this post anyways(even though i’m sure negative or marcel can find something),.
“4. Your argument is probably the most pathetic one that’s been brought up so far. I can tell that you’re as thick as shit by just talking to you – no wonder people complain about your comprehension skills. It’s obvious that you’re not going to change your tune on this one, so please just leave and don’t bother coming back. No more of your wank.”
-even if you think it is pathetic(which it isn’t), you still have to show how it CAN’T be done, because you haven’t. i’m not thick, you just seem to be a fanboy of voldemort or something and seem unable to even accept the possibility of a way to defeat him proving you are so much of a fanboy or unintelligent that you don’t even give a reason to why and how this is unable to be done. if you show me it can’t then i’ll drop it, other wise you just look bad.
“ proving you are so much of a fanboy or unintelligent that you don’t even give a reason to why and how this is unable to be done.”
It’s not fanboyism. He does this in every single thread.
“It’s not fanboyism. He does this in every single thread. ”
-so that leaves the options of lack of intelligence and straight up troll…..
that’s alright though, i’m willing to teach(lack of intelligence), and i have patience(troll). although admittedly i am not as “into” this match as you and negative so it won’t be a top priority for me.
“- At least bother to research Nagini before commenting on her. Nagini AND Voldemort Vs Ganondorf. Nagini is obviously a lot tougher than your average snake. By the way, it might be nice to see a video of one of Ganondorf’s death curses. Please don’t tell me you made them up.”
It’s still a fucking snake, Ganondorf has a sword, ’nuff said. As for the death curses:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yLBZ-FzEOE
In Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf placed a death curse on the Deku Tree which created a parasite called Gohma to kill it, which it did.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMoqn7w3zeQ
(Link’s name is changed to FER in this video.)
In Wind Waker, Ganondorf placed a death curse on Windfall Island in hopes of killing Jabun. The island was torn to peices by an intense storm. He did this while being miles away in the Forsaken Fortress.
“he surely would have done so when he was fighting Link.”
First of all that could just be PIS, second of all Midna would’ve just destroyed it with the Fused Shadows.
“- Yes, but Midna wasn’t up a sleeve! If Voldemort holds onto Nagini, how is Ganondorf going to get her?”
How strong is Voldemort physically? Ganondorf is strong enough to break metal chains.
“Does Ganondorf have to possess people before he can use the telekinesis?”
No.
“Can he use telekinesis on living creatures or just objects?”
Is Midna an object?
“but what’s obstinate is the fact that you over exaggerated what the barriers can do. He’s never encased a barrier over a person - that’s not my fault.”
If anything, Marcel is under exaggerating given what Ganondorf has been shown to do.
@Negative Zero
“It’s still a fucking snake, Ganondorf has a sword, ’nuff said. As for the death curses:”
- Like I said, it’s the fucking grand daddy of all snakes. I’m not saying Nagini would definitely kill Ganondorf – I’m saying it would be far easier for Voldemort to hit Ganon with the Silver Arrows if a snake’s biting at his heels at the same time. As a distraction.
“First of all that could just be PIS, second of all Midna would’ve just destroyed it with the Fused Shadows.”
- PIS is such a poor rule. It’s completely a matter of opinion, and it’s something people use when they start to run out of ideas. It’s something that can never be proven. I retain my original point – if Ganondorf can encase people in barriers, why has he NEVER been shown to do so and why didn’t he do so against Link? You’re saying Midna would have just destroyed them - but you said Ganon can create them whenever he wants, so surely he’d just make more? You see, it doesn’t add up. I’m not going to assume Ganon can do something that he hasn’t been shown to do.
“How strong is Voldemort physically? Ganondorf is strong enough to break metal chains.”
- Physically, I have no idea. He uses magic, not his fists. The question should be how strong his magic is, not his own strength. His magic is obviously very powerful. Has Ganon ever used TK to snatch something right out of someone’s hand? No. There are disarming spells in Harry Potter that make wizards wands fly right out of their hands – yet oddly enough, Voldemort NEVER gets disarmed. Why do you think this is? Powerful wizards don’t fall for simple tricks like that. Oddly enough, Ganon didn’t use TK to snatch the Master Sword away from Link. Or Link’s bow and arrow. Or to snatch ANYTHING out of anyone’s hands.
“Is Midna an object?”
- About him using TK on Midna – I’m a little sceptical. There must be more to it than that. There must have been a reason as to WHY he was able to do this. Because if he could do it whenever he wants, why didn’t he just do it to Link and toss him about like a rag doll? Why not do it to everyone? It doesn’t make sense.
“If anything, Marcel is under exaggerating given what Ganondorf has been shown to do.”
- But it’s true that he’s never encased a barrier around an individual person. Marcel told me as plain as day that he could. That’s an over exaggeration.
@Mike
“-you answered with no reason why it cannot be done other than your opinion, so if you consider me asking for proof of..well…anything, being a prick, then by all means i am a prick in your opinion.”
- Well, I did actually. You just chose to ignore it. You made the positive claim, so it’s up to you to prove it.
“-specific uses of it are not needed when we see him have a level of control over it that shows he can do it, as in castle(large scale) and midna(small scale). unless you think smaller is necessary then i’d just suggest ganondorf bangs voldemort against a wall with TK until he drops it.”
- Provide me with some evidence of Ganon using TK to snatch something right out of someone’s hand. Because you haven’t done this so far, I’m confident that you won’t be able to.
“-i think it is because they protect themselves from disarming spells, not telekinesis……..and you still haven’t given a reason to why this would work against voldemort. telekinesis isn’t a spell that you can “block” or whatever(you actually never even explained how they don’t get disarmed).”
- They don’t get disarmed because they’re too powerful to fall for a simple trick like that. Ganon’s never been shown to use TK to whip something out of someone’s hand – sorry, but I’m not going to assume a character can do certain things when they’ve never actually been shown to do so. That’s not how it works. You’ve made the positive claim – prove it.
“-are you trying to say he cannot target a smaller object or something? because that’s the only difference, and i just gave an example of how ganondorf doesn’t even need to prove he can use telekinesis on small things earlier in this post anyways(even though i’m sure negative or marcel can find something),.”
- No Mike, that’s not what I’m saying. Try to pay attention, however intellectually strenuous it might be for you. He can target smaller objects, just not something that someone’s holding.
“-even if you think it is pathetic(which it isn’t), you still have to show how it CAN’T be done, because you haven’t. i’m not thick, you just seem to be a fanboy of voldemort or something and seem unable to even accept the possibility of a way to defeat him proving you are so much of a fanboy or unintelligent that you don’t even give a reason to why and how this is unable to be done. if you show me it can’t then i’ll drop it, other wise you just look bad.”
- Very poor comprehension. You have to show how it CAN be done. You’re saying something CAN happen which is the positive claim, and I’m saying it CAN’T, which is the negative claim. Please prove this… or you’ll just look bad.
“if a snake’s biting at his heels at the same time. As a distraction.”
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Ganondorf has armored boots along with other armor.
“why has he NEVER been shown to do so and why didn’t he do so against Link? You’re saying Midna would have just destroyed them - but you said Ganon can create them whenever he wants, so surely he’d just make more?”
It would be pointless to keep making barriers only to have them destroyed over and over again.
“There are disarming spells in Harry Potter that make wizards wands fly right out of their hands – yet oddly enough, Voldemort NEVER gets disarmed.”
Has anybody even tried to disarm him in the HP books?
“Because if he could do it whenever he wants, why didn’t he just do it to Link and toss him about like a rag doll? Why not do it to everyone? It doesn’t make sense.”
The “Why didn’t X do Y anytime X wanted?” is a bad one. The story simply called for it. Also, Link’s Master Sword and Triforce of Courage has been known to protect him from evil influence. If the Room of Requirement gives you all sorts of shit, then why didn’t Harry wish for a dead Voldemort….or a burrito?
“Has anybody even tried to disarm him in the HP books?”
This is a good question. However, I think a better question would be, “What is Voldemort’s maximum knowm telekinetic feat?” If the answer is “no,” we have to draw on other telekinetic feats of Voldemort. So far, all we have is Voldy can fling glass and arrows. Not that impressive. If that’s all he has been shown to do, he gets disarmed without another thought. Even if the answer is “yes,” we still need to find out what his telekinetic limits are, because if Ganon’s are higher, Voldy still could get disarmed.
Oh yeah…What’s to stop Voldemort from possessing Nagini? If he does it, Voldemort is virtually forced to kill his main means of protection, As Ganondorf attacks him through the body of the snake.
“Oh yeah…What’s to stop Voldemort from possessing Nagini?”
1. You mean Ganondorf?
2. He can’t do it because da snake is in Baldemort’s sweeve!!! I joke of course.
Yes, sorry, that should be, “What’s to stop Ganondorf from possessing Nagini?” Glad you caught that.
“- But it’s true that he’s never encased a barrier around an individual person. Marcel told me as plain as day that he could. That’s an over exaggeration.”
No, not around an individual, but around MULTIPLE individuals. I UNDER-exaggerated.
@Negative Zero
“Ganondorf has armored boots along with other armor.”
- Jesus Christ. You do know the whole “heel” thing was just a phrase, right?
“It would be pointless to keep making barriers only to have them destroyed over and over again.”
- But you also said that it was extremely difficult for Midna to get rid of the barriers. You said it knocked her out. So actually, creating more barriers would have been the obvious option for Ganondorf. But he didn’t, which only adds to my belief that he can’t perform the feats Marcel described.
“Has anybody even tried to disarm him in the HP books?”
- Every time Harry Potter and Voldemort duel, Harry uses the disarming spell. Voldemort never gets disarmed.
“The “Why didn’t X do Y anytime X wanted?” is a bad one. The story simply called for it. Also, Link’s Master Sword and Triforce of Courage has been known to protect him from evil influence. If the Room of Requirement gives you all sorts of shit, then why didn’t Harry wish for a dead Voldemort….or a burrito?”
- Actually, ”the story simply called for it” is the bad one. That’s bullshit. You and Marcel (mainly Marcel) are trying to tell me Ganondorf can do things that he’s never been shown to do. Therefore, I’m saying he can’t do them. There’s no way in hell I’m being unreasonable about that.
As for the Room of Requirement… are you seriously asking this again? Gamp’s fucking Law! There are rules that prevent the Room of Requirement from creating certain things, like a burrito. However, there’s no reason as to why Ganondorf wouldn’t have been able to snatch Link’s bow and arrow away from him using TK.
@Marcel – Wizards in Harry Potter can levitate any object. They just do it with their wands. Voldemort can also invade people’s minds – Ganondorf is no exception. Voldemort is also able to shield his own mind from penetration. Ganondorf’s never been shown to use TK to snatch something right out of someone’s hand. You’re doing that whole assuming thing again.
“Oh yeah…What’s to stop Voldemort from possessing Nagini? If he does it, Voldemort is virtually forced to kill his main means of protection, As Ganondorf attacks him through the body of the snake.”
- 2 things would stop him.
1. Voldemort is already in full control of Nagini.
2. Nagini is part of Voldemort’s soul. Basically, she IS Voldemort.
There’s not even the slightest chance that Ganondorf could possess Nagini.
“No, not around an individual, but around MULTIPLE individuals. I UNDER-exaggerated.”
- Yet again, these people were inside a castle. He didn’t encase any person indivudually inside a barrier. You said he did. Over exaggeration? Subtle manipulation of the truth? I think so!
“- Every time Harry Potter and Voldemort duel, Harry uses the disarming spell. Voldemort never gets disarmed. ”
Yes, on the first duel, on the Goblet of Fire, their wands created a Reverse Spell effect, Priori Incantatum, where one wand tries to make the other wand eat its recently cast spells. And that’s because both wizards’ wands were brothers.
On the second duel, in Deathly Hallows, Voldemort died, because the Elder Wand, in Voldy’s possession, sees Harry as its master, and so refuses to kill him, and for one reason or another the Avada Kedavra was once again turned back to the snake-man.
Just want to say, the reason Harry was so lucky on his duels with Voldy was because of his wands, and the reason Voldy was never disarmed.
It really makes me wonder how a young man with barely enough knowledge on duelling managed to hold his own against a seasoned veteran. The only reason I can come up with is Plot Device.
If not for that, then the series would have ended on the fourth book.
“- Jesus Christ. You do know the whole “heel” thing was just a phrase, right?”
Well then there goes your whole snake attack idea.
“- But you also said that it was extremely difficult for Midna to get rid of the barriers. You said it knocked her out. So actually, creating more barriers would have been the obvious option for Ganondorf.”
Ganondorf didn’t need to worry about that anyway. Before his first battle with Link, he uses his TK to toss Midna all the way across the throne room and knocks her out. He then goes on to put up a barrier over the throne room’s exit (also cutting Link off from the knocked out Midna).
“- Every time Harry Potter and Voldemort duel, Harry uses the disarming spell. Voldemort never gets disarmed.”
Book or movie?
“- Actually, ”the story simply called for it” is the bad one. That’s bullshit.”
And yet it’s the exact same reason Harry actually stood a chance against Voldemort.
@Negative Zero
“Well then there goes your whole snake attack idea.”
- Not really. It was just a passing comment, which you decided to practically jump on. The point was this – it would be EASIER for Voldemort to strike Ganondorf if Ganondorf were being distracted by Nagini. Now shut up about it.
“Ganondorf didn’t need to worry about that anyway. Before his first battle with Link, he uses his TK to toss Midna all the way across the throne room and knocks her out. He then goes on to put up a barrier over the throne room’s exit (also cutting Link off from the knocked out Midna).”
- Let’s just not go back and forth with this. Ganondorf has never been shown to encase someone inside a barrier or use barriers to block objects flying straight towards him, including Silver Arrows. Therefore, to cut to the chase – he can’t.
“Book or movie?”
- Both. The actual name of the spell is Expelliarmus – it’s arguably the most famous spell in the HP series, and it’s the spell that Harry Potter uses the most. Every time Harry and Voldemort duel, Voldemort always uses Avada Kedavra and Harry always uses Expelliarmus. Voldemort’s never been disarmed however, not even when he was duelling with Dumbledore, the most powerful wizard of all-time. Voldemort basically only fears two things – Dumbledore and death.
“And yet it’s the exact same reason Harry actually stood a chance against Voldemort.”
- Really? Coming from someone who’s never seen a Harry Potter movie? That’s not the reason at all. It’s so very complicated to explain to someone who hasn’t read the books, but Harry is a Horcrux. He is therefore connected to Voldemort’s soul, and this grants him a window into Voldemort’s mind. They’re connected. That’s why Harry stands a chance.
When Voldemort and Harry duelled in the fourth book – Harry stood a chance because both his and Voldemort’s wands were made of the same material. When two wands made from the same material engage in a duel, a strange effect happens called Priori Incantatem. This is why Harry stood a chance.
So again – you and Marcel (mainly Marcel) are trying to tell me Ganondorf can do things that he’s never been shown to do. Therefore, I’m saying he can’t do them. There’s no way in hell I’m being unreasonable about that.
but sociology teaches you to not listen to common sense(or do you literally mean rely on, because that is obvious as to why you wouldn’t completely rely on it)?
That’s the tricky part of it. We have to ‘listen’ to what it says but in no way rely on it. It’s confusing, I know, but it’s how it goes. So yeah, I avoid using Common Sense on a daily basis
“Wizards in Harry Potter can levitate any object.”
ANY object? I smell a no-limits fallacy.
“They just do it with their wands.”
Cool. So how would Voldy do anything with a snapped one?
“However, there’s no reason as to why Ganondorf wouldn’t have been able to snatch Link’s bow and arrow away from him using TK.”
You’re right, there isn’t any reason why he couldn’t do it. But why would he?
1. Ganon can time said arrows.
2. The arrows did nothing to him in the first place.
3. As long as Link keeps using his bow, Ganon has more time to set up other attacks. The bow is useless against him in TP; it is by no means required to beat him. He’s better off letting Link use useless items.
”Voldemort can also invade people’s minds – Ganondorf is no exception.”
Prove it.
“ There’s not even the slightest chance that Ganondorf could possess Nagini. ”
Ganon possessed someone with the power to split time itself in two. That someone was also protected by an artifact of the gods themselves–a piece of the same artifact that protects Ganon from being killed, or even thoroughly stunned. And he STILL managed possess her fully–and use TK while in that someone’s possessed body! Can Voldy/Nagini get past THAT?
@Marcel
“ANY object? I smell a no-limits fallacy.”
- It was just a phrase Marcel. They can levitate basically anything. There’s probably something that they wouldn’t be able to levitate.
“Cool. So how would Voldy do anything with a snapped one?”
- Well, snapped wands don’t work you see. It’s kind of irrelevant though, seeing as Voldemort’s wand isn’t going to be snapped.
“You’re right, there isn’t any reason why he couldn’t do it. But why would he?”
- Because… then Link wouldn’t be able to attack him? He could have taken the Master Sword away as well. He could have taken things away from a whole host of people, but he didn’t. You can employ all the excuses you like of course.
“Prove it.”
- That he can invade minds? If you don’t know this… get off the page now. Don’t be immature. If you’d ever watched an HP movie or read one of the books, you wouldn’t have just asked me that. I could prove it, but should I really have to? Don’t be silly.
If you still want me to, I will. But we both know that you’re only asking me to ”prove it” because it gives you a little thrill.
“Can Voldy/Nagini get past THAT?”
- Sure. And don’t give me the prove it crap. You made the positive claim.
Voldemort and Nagini are basically one and the same. As long as a wizard has mastered occulemency, they are able to shield their own minds from penetration.
Your stuff doesn’t add up. It’s full of contradictions and over exaggerations. Like I said before, you’re not lying completely. It’s more like a subtle manipulation of the truth. Very clever of you.
“It was just a phrase Marcel. They can levitate basically anything. There’s probably something that they wouldn’t be able to levitate. ”
Like? Not counting those objects nailed to the ground?
“Well, snapped wands don’t work you see. It’s kind of irrelevant though, seeing as Voldemort’s wand isn’t going to be snapped. ”
They still work, they backfire.
“That he can invade minds? If you don’t know this… get off the page now. Don’t be immature. If you’d ever watched an HP movie or read one of the books, you wouldn’t have just asked me that. I could prove it, but should I really have to? Don’t be silly.
If you still want me to, I will. But we both know that you’re only asking me to ”prove it” because it gives you a little thrill. ”
Still though man, prove it.
And to NZ, it’s called Legilimency, which Voldy is the most proficient user. Let me see how this works, I’ll be back in a moment.
Also Voldy can possess bodies, like what he did to Quirrell in Sorcerer’s Stone and to Harry himself in Order of the Phoenix. During that time, Harry felt emotions that wasn’t his, and his body moved on his own, saying things like “Kill me now Dumbledore”, or “If you truly want to kill me, kill the boy”. Or couse he said this through Harry’s mouth.
“The point was this – it would be EASIER for Voldemort to strike Ganondorf if Ganondorf were being distracted by Nagini. Now shut up about it.”
PLEASE tell me how Ganondorf would find a snake enough of a threat to be distracted by it.
“Ganondorf has never been shown to encase someone inside a barrier or use barriers to block objects flying straight towards him, including Silver Arrows.”
Ganondorf doesn’t NEED the barriers to fend off the arrows. He’s quick enough to deal with them on his own.
“- Really? Coming from someone who’s never seen a Harry Potter movie?”
I’ve seen a few movies. You’ve never even played a LoZ game.
“Ganon possessed someone with the power to split time itself in two. That someone was also protected by an artifact of the gods themselves–a piece of the same artifact that protects Ganon from being killed, or even thoroughly stunned. And he STILL managed possess her fully–and use TK while in that someone’s possessed body! Can Voldy/Nagini get past THAT?”
Not to mention that he also dodges arrows while possessing Zelda as well.
“He could have taken the Master Sword away as well.”
Evil can’t do anything with the Master Sword so that’s self explainatory.
@man
“Like? Not counting those objects nailed to the ground?”
- A wizard probably wouldn’t be able to levitate something extremely heavy – like a skyscraper.
“They still work, they backfire.”
- Yes, and if it’s backfiring, it’s not exactly working.
“Still though man, prove it.”
- Anyone who’s watched the movies or read the books should know this. The art of invading someone’s mind is called Legilimency - no other wizard has mastered this skill like Voldemort. harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Legilimency Now don’t bother giving me any of that no Wiki rubbish – the link even provides a picture of Harry being possessed and includes quotes from the books themselves. If I STILL should unbelievably need to prove this further, I’ll post an actual video of Harry being possessed… which will most likely end up being denied as well.
“And to NZ, it’s called Legilimency, which Voldy is the most proficient user. Let me see how this works, I’ll be back in a moment.”
- What the fuck? So you already know Voldemort can invade minds? Really, why must I prove these things when people already know them.
@Negative Zero
“PLEASE tell me how Ganondorf would find a snake enough of a threat to be distracted by it.”
- I’m not saying he would view Nagini as a huge threat. However, he does HAVE to destroy her. And to destroy her, he has to give her his full attention, in terms of looking at her and chasing her about. Now if he’s giving Nagini his full attention, he’s NOT giving his full attention to Voldemort, which could be dangerous. THAT WAS ALL I MEANT.
“Ganondorf doesn’t NEED the barriers to fend off the arrows. He’s quick enough to deal with them on his own.”
- Good, then we can finally drop this “Ganon can block shit with barriers” rubbish. He can’t. He definitely won’t be quick enough if Voldemort sneaks up from behind him. Remember, they both start out at opposite ends of the castle.
“I’ve seen a few movies. You’ve never even played a LoZ game.”
- You said on another thread that you don’t know “jack shit” about Harry Potter. Now you HAVE watched some of the movies? That’s obviously a contradiction. You don’t seem to know anything about HP, so if you have watched any of the movies, you must have an awful memory.
“Evil can’t do anything with the Master Sword so that’s self explainatory.”
- Evil can’t touch the Master Sword. What’s to suggest evil wouldn’t be able to levitate it, or use TK on it? Either way, that still doesn’t explain Link’s bow. Why didn’t he take the Fused Shadows away from Midna? All I’m saying is that he clearly can’t use TK to take an object out of someone’s hand. That is all.
Now Marcel, if you’d like me to prove that Voldemort is actually a wizard, let me know. Or if you’d like me to prove that he owns a wand, or that his name is in fact Voldemort, I’ll be waiting.
I am not taking either side, but if Voldemort has Silver Arrows, what would stop him from just using them against Ganondorf, are they not lethal?
@Captain Eric
- There’s nothing to stop him using them. However, Negative Zero believes Ganondorf has the ability to dodge arrows even if they’re fired a foot away from him. Of course, what if Voldemort sneaks up from behind? There’s no way Ganon could see that coming.
“- I’m not saying he would view Nagini as a huge threat. However, he does HAVE to destroy her. And to destroy her, he has to give her his full attention, in terms of looking at her and chasing her about. Now if he’s giving Nagini his full attention, he’s NOT giving his full attention to Voldemort, which could be dangerous. THAT WAS ALL I MEANT. ”
You talk as if it’s hard to chop up a snake with a damn sword…..
“- Good, then we can finally drop this “Ganon can block shit with barriers” rubbish. He can’t. He definitely won’t be quick enough if Voldemort sneaks up from behind him. Remember, they both start out at opposite ends of the castle.”
If there on opposite ends of Hogwarts, how would either one sneak up on eachother without teleportingt? Also according to your own rules, Voldemort doesn’t start out with Silver Arrows, their in the RoR “should he need them”.
“- You said on another thread that you don’t know “jack shit” about Harry Potter. Now you HAVE watched some of the movies? That’s obviously a contradiction.”
I don’t know Jack shit about it’s source canon (the books).
“You don’t seem to know anything about HP, so if you have watched any of the movies, you must have an awful memory.”
I’ve seen the first few movies fucking years ago.
“Either way, that still doesn’t explain Link’s bow.”
It was useless against him anyway.
“All I’m saying is that he clearly can’t use TK to take an object out of someone’s hand.”
If he can toss somebody across a big ass throne room, then he can surely pull a little stick out of Voldemorts hand. And don’t give that “disarming spells don’t work” shit because TK and Expelliarmus aren’t the same thing.
“but if Voldemort has Silver Arrows, what would stop him from just using them against Ganondorf,”
2 things, every instance involving the Silver Arrows Ganondorf needed to be weakened first to be killed by them, and Ganondorf is quick enough to block and dodge them anyway, even at point black range.
“However, Negative Zero believes Ganondorf has the ability to dodge arrows even if they’re fired a foot away from him.”
Because he can.
“Of course, what if Voldemort sneaks up from behind?”
From the other side of Hogwarts?
“There’s no way Ganon could see that coming.”
And Ganondorf simply couldn’t do the same to him?
@Negative Zero
“You talk as if it’s hard to chop up a snake with a damn sword…..”
- Oh, ever tried it have we? Nagini is rather agile, so it actually would be quite difficult for him.
“If there on opposite ends of Hogwarts, how would either one sneak up on eachother without teleportingt? Also according to your own rules, Voldemort doesn’t start out with Silver Arrows, their in the RoR “should he need them”.”
- What? They’re in the GREAT HALL should he need them. They’re going to start out at opposite ends of the castle, so the first thing Voldemort is going to do is head to the main hall. The first thing Ganondorf will do is head to Ravenclaw Tower. Therefore, Voldemort knows where Ganondorf’s headed, meaning that sneaking up on him wouldn’t be terribly difficult.
“I don’t know Jack shit about it’s source canon (the books).”
- The movies are based on the books. Yet you still know next to nothing.
“I’ve seen the first few movies fucking years ago.”
- You still know nothing.
“It was useless against him anyway.”
- And the Fused Shadows? They weren’t useless.
“If he can toss somebody across a big ass throne room, then he can surely pull a little stick out of Voldemorts hand. And don’t give that “disarming spells don’t work” shit because TK and Expelliarmus aren’t the same thing.”
- Ganon’s never been shown to take things right out of people’s hands. That’s the end of it. He can’t do it. Whether it’s TK or not, it’s STILL DISARMING, which doesn’t work on Voldemort.
“From the other side of Hogwarts?”
- Obviously they’re going to be moving about genius.
“And Ganondorf simply couldn’t do the same to him?”
- Seeing as Voldemort knows Hogwarts inside out and Ganon doesn’t, no.
“- Oh, ever tried it have we? Nagini is rather agile, so it actually would be quite difficult for him.”
A sanke is a snake all the same. My God man, are actually going to wank a fucking snake?!?
“The first thing Ganondorf will do is head to Ravenclaw Tower. Therefore, Voldemort knows where Ganondorf’s headed, meaning that sneaking up on him wouldn’t be terribly difficult.”
Oh, so Voldemort knows where Ganondorf is but not the other way around? Doesn’t matter, sneaking up won’t help Voldey anyway.
“- The movies are based on the books. Yet you still know next to nothing.”
Some shit ALWAYS get’s changed in book to movie/movie to book transitions.
“- You still know nothing.”
I still don’t give a shit.
“- And the Fused Shadows? They weren’t useless.”
Against Ganondorf, they were. Midna attacked his soul with the full power of the Fused Shadows, it did jack diddly shit.
“- Ganon’s never been shown to take things right out of people’s hands. That’s the end of it. He can’t do it.”
He can do it, he has the potential to do it.
“Whether it’s TK or not, it’s STILL DISARMING, which doesn’t work on Voldemort.”
TK is not magic, a disarming SPELL is. Show me somebody not being able to TK his wand out of his hand or else Voldemort can’t resist it. C wut I did thar?
“- What? They’re in the GREAT HALL should he need them. They’re going to start out at opposite ends of the castle, so the first thing Voldemort is going to do is head to the main hall. The first thing Ganondorf will do is head to Ravenclaw Tower. Therefore, Voldemort knows where Ganondorf’s headed, meaning that sneaking up on him wouldn’t be terribly difficult.”
Man, this is pathetic. Ganon collapses castle. Voldy’s chances of obtaining silver arrows from ANY room go out the window. As he is trying to dodge/flee rubble, Ganon places barrier over Voldy. After that, it’s game over, even if Voldy somehow managed to obtain silver arrows before the castle collapsed (which is like a 95% chance he won’t).
You know that there’s only two or three known species of snake that can slither faster than a human can run, right? Even then, those snakes can’t out-slither a peak human. Nagini’s toast.
“ - Obviously they’re going to be moving about genius. ”
Not if Ganon collapses the castle, genius.
”- Seeing as Voldemort knows Hogwarts inside out and Ganon doesn’t, no.”
Voldy won’t know SQUAT about hogwart’s once it’s rubble.
“ - That he can invade minds? If you don’t know this… get off the page now. Don’t be immature. If you’d ever watched an HP movie or read one of the books, you wouldn’t have just asked me that. I could prove it, but should I really have to? Don’t be silly.
If you still want me to, I will. But we both know that you’re only asking me to ”prove it” because it gives you a little thrill. ”
Not because it gives me a thrill, but because every time I ask for proof, you have failed to produce it. I am asking you to prove that he can invade the minds of people that are protected by the power of gods, and people that have already shown themselves to be resistant to soulish damage and muckery. Cuz if not, then chalk up another one for lack of proof.
“ Of course, what if Voldemort sneaks up from behind? There’s no way Ganon could see that coming. ”
Ganon can sense him coming.
“ - Evil can’t touch the Master Sword. What’s to suggest evil wouldn’t be able to levitate it, or use TK on it? ”
When the spell is the extension of that evil, yes, It won’t do much besides getting repelled. Ganon had to rid Link of his Master sword using brute strength in OoT.
”Either way, that still doesn’t explain Link’s bow”
I gave three reasons why he didn’t take Link’s bow in my last response. You should look at them sometime.
“ Why didn’t he take the Fused Shadows away from Midna? ”
Zant already did that to her, earlier in the game. And Zant possesses Ganondorf’s magic. The reason Ganondorf didn’t was because he didn’t need to, cuz he already exhausted Midna to the point where she couldn’t use them to dispel the barrier when Link was fighting possessed Zelda. He eventually took them away later in the fight and crushed them–much like Voldy’s wand.
This is sad, really.
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“- A wizard probably wouldn’t be able to levitate something extremely heavy – like a skyscraper. ”
So, Ganon’s TK trumps Voldy’s, then. U know what that means? Voldy’s getting his wand taken away.
@Negative Zero
“A sanke is a snake all the same. My God man, are actually going to wank a fucking snake?!?”
- The snake is a distraction.
“Oh, so Voldemort knows where Ganondorf is but not the other way around? Doesn’t matter, sneaking up won’t help Voldey anyway.”
- Voldemort knows Ganondorf is going to head straight to Ravenclaw Tower. And what makes you think sneaking won’t work?
“Against Ganondorf, they were. Midna attacked his soul with the full power of the Fused Shadows, it did jack diddly shit.”
- I meant when the Fused Shadows destroyed Ganon’s barriers.
“He can do it, he has the potential to do it.”
- I don’t care much for potential. You can’t prove it beyond reasonable doubt, so I’m saying he can’t do it.
“TK is not magic, a disarming SPELL is. Show me somebody not being able to TK his wand out of his hand or else Voldemort can’t resist it. C wut I did thar?”
- No one ever tried using TK against Voldemort. People use their wands for things like that, and Voldemort was never disarmed. It’s not that difficult to hold onto something you know.
@Marcel
“Man, this is pathetic. Ganon collapses castle. Voldy’s chances of obtaining silver arrows from ANY room go out the window. As he is trying to dodge/flee rubble, Ganon places barrier over Voldy. After that, it’s game over, even if Voldy somehow managed to obtain silver arrows before the castle collapsed (which is like a 95% chance he won’t).”
- I’ve responded to all this before. And yes, it is pathetic.
“Ganon can sense him coming.”
- Prove it.
“I gave three reasons why he didn’t take Link’s bow in my last response. You should look at them sometime.”
- They were reasons as to why you personally thought Ganondorf wasn’t able to do so.
“So, Ganon’s TK trumps Voldy’s, then. U know what that means? Voldy’s getting his wand taken away.”
- Prove Ganon can take things out of people’s hands.
And I have a question – how big was the castle Ganondorf brought down?
“- Prove it. ”
Lol, I knew you would say that. Yes, this requires legitimate proof, and I will address it in the video. It will be made soon enough.
“- They were reasons as to why you personally thought Ganondorf wasn’t able to do so. ”
No, they were reasons as to why if he did, Link would just end the fight quicker.
”- Prove Ganon can take things out of people’s hands.”
Sigh…if you insist…this is Midna getting her fused shadows taken away from Zant, whom bears Ganon’s power, via telekinesis. He also powns everyone there–namely, a deity, a triforce bearer, and the most powerful magician from an alternate dimension–using Ganondorf’s magic.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMB9zKgR5f0
“And I have a question – how big was the castle Ganondorf brought down? ”
Huge.
www.zeldawiki.org/images/5/5e/Ganon%27s_Castle.jpg
Also, notice how the castle is suspended over the lava? Yeah…Ganon’s magic. He can hold up a castle indefinitely, seeing as he lived in that thing for roughly seven years.
“It’s not that difficult to hold onto something you know.”
Except, you said yourself that Voldemort has next to nothing to show for physical strength.
@Marcel
“Huge.”
- It looks tiny compared to Hogwarts.
“No, they were reasons as to why if he did, Link would just end the fight quicker.”
- So, if Ganon took Link’s bow, Link would have a better chance of winning? That’s some strange logic. If Ganon could take things out of people’s hands, he would do so. The Fused Shadows for example.
“Sigh…if you insist…this is Midna getting her fused shadows taken away from Zant, whom bears Ganon’s power, via telekinesis. He also powns everyone there–namely, a deity, a triforce bearer, and the most powerful magician from an alternate dimension–using Ganondorf’s magic.”
- Why do you keep bending the truth? He didn’t take the Fused Shadows out of her hands in that video. Her hands were already restrained!
@Negative Zero
“Except, you said yourself that Voldemort has next to nothing to show for physical strength.”
- I said I didn’t know how strong he is. We ought to assume he has the same physical strength as any other person. And any other person would damn well hold onto a wand that someone was trying to snatch! So Voldemort, upon seeing that Ganon was trying to pry the wand away, would fire a spell very quickly and break the TK hold. Not that there would be one in the first place anyway.
“- It looks tiny compared to Hogwarts.”
And your basing this off the movie and not the book?
“And any other person would damn well hold onto a wand that someone was trying to snatch!”
How would he know Ganon was TKing his wand? All it takes is just a quick tug and he could have the wand out of Voldey’s hand before he even realized it.
“That’s some strange logic.”
And your a pro with that.
@Negative Zero
1. It’s the same in the book and the movie, yet again. The castle was tiny compared to Hogwarts, so there’s no proof Ganon would be able to bring something down the size of Hogwarts. I find Marcel’s description of “huge” quite hilarious.
2. If Voldemort’s holding tightly onto the wand, it’s not just gonna fly out. He’s going to feel a pull.
3. As are you.
“It’s the same in the book and the movie, yet again.”
So there’s a part in the book that says “Hogwarts is as huge as you see it in the movies.”?
“If Voldemort’s holding tightly onto the wand, it’s not just gonna fly out. He’s going to feel a pull.”
Still doesn’t mean he has enough strength to hold onto it.
“As are you.”
But you even moreso.
@Negative Zero
“So there’s a part in the book that says “Hogwarts is as huge as you see it in the movies.”?”
- Why the fuck wouldn’t it be? Hogwarts is described in the books – and all the rooms are mentioned in the books as well. It has a Great Hall, around seven floors with many, many corridors and classrooms, not to mention towers where hundreds of students are supposed to sleep. I can’t believe you’re actually disputing this. You’ll be asking me to prove that Voldemort is actually a wizard next. Like I’ve told you so many times before, the movies just give you a visual. Any idiot knows full well that Hogwarts is an enourmous castle. And no matter how big it is, what’s for certain is that it’s DEFINITELY A LOT BIGGER than the castle Ganon brought down. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hog2warts.jpg Here’s your visual.
“Still doesn’t mean he has enough strength to hold onto it.”
- It doesn’t mean that he DOESN’T have enough stength either. You can’t prove anything. Therefore, we can’t just assume that something would happen, especially seeing as Ganon’s never been shown to take things out of people’s hands. The moment Voldemort feels a tug, he apparates away in the blink of an eye. It’s as simple as that.
“But you even moreso.”
- Well, if you insist.
“You’ll be asking me to prove that Voldemort is actually a wizard next.”
Let’s see this proof.
*obvious joke
@Iadidala
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Boss battle and Ganondorf’s botched exectuion.For those who didn’t watch here are some highlights.Ganondorf kills an ethereal sage,rofl stomps Midna;who is using the Fused Shadows and blows a castle the f*ck up, and dodges arrows and blocked sword swings from a Link who can toss massive Gorons;lift large rocks and massive metal chains;and toss around a rather large metal ball.
As for the Silver Arrows there are some solutions Ganon could try.Solution numero Ein summon a horde of phantom Ganons to zerg rush Voldemort and guard the arrows.Solution two just use Twilight Magic to port them to the bottom of the lake or even better drop something massive on them,silver isn’t exactly known for its durability.Form a barrier around them or teleport them to the Twilight Realm.
On the matter of Horcruxi…
Really Ganon only needs to get to Voldey and kill him normally, as we saw when his body was destroyed it took years and an arcane ritual to reform.Besides that Crabbe/Goyle destroyed a Horcruxe with a curse, although it is powerful curse the fact that average wizards were capable of producing a curse that could destroy one is extremely damning.Ganondorf was described as a powerfull sorceror before he got the Triforce of power.As mentioned before he stomped an Uber Buffed Midna,blew up a castle,and possesses a holy sword.
Well, since it seems that ladidala no longer shows his sad snatch on this site…..how about Ganondorf get’s his hard earned FP award?
@Officer N.Z
Still i feel at least this was an awesome fight, where entertainment ensured for all to enjoy, right?
Well, yeah. There was a lot of debating done. In the end though, Sloth’s and ladi’s posts were destroyed.
@Officer N.Z
Even without the regards, even we have to admit the idea is actually pretty decently entertaining, as it was already asked around the net and all that jazz(except i am not sure if they were talking the individuals themselves or their armies, admittedly!)
Now i wonder if i may ask the question: Does Gannondorf’s armies have any Werewolves?
Wherewolves? Not that I know of.
There are Wolfos, however. Those are more like wolves that are capable of fighting while standing on 2 legs and are pretty agile if I remember correctly.
Why do you ask?
@Officer N.Z
I wanted to admit that Voldemort’s forces even have Werewolves in his army, with Greyback leading them.
I wonder if i should save that for a future factpile fight, though.
I don’t think Voldemort’s and Ganondorf’s armies were allowed in this match.
Hell, this was a spite match against Ganondorf anyway and he STLL won. THAT is award worthy.
Suck on that ladidala!!!
@Officer N.Z
Fair enough.
Looks like we may as well plan it for another time, then, as entertaining as the idea of their armies fighting each other definitely would have been, had it been included. *wants to imagine the ensuring fireworks of the evil vs evil fight*
Well, if they had their armies, then Ganondorf would have many of the bosses from the LoZ games.
Most of them are quite big and mean.
@Officer N.Z
I know, but had it not been for the fact of the matter that the Basilisk of Slytherin’s deceased, you gotta admit it would put up an entertaining fight to be sure against one of those bosses, at least(regardless of whether or not it winds up being another literal hopeless boss fight, indeed!)
Does Gannondorf’s forces have any officers who answer to Gannondorf, other than the Bosses, though?
As a matter of fact, throughout the games, he’s had many henchman.
In A Link to the Past, he used a part of his own soul to create Agahnim.
In Oracle of Ages/Oracle of Seasons, he had Veran and General Onox working under him I think (never played the Oracles games, so I might be wrong).
In Twilight Princess, he had Zant taking his orders.
In Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker, he had Phantom Ganon.
@Officer N.Z
That’s already a lot of ‘regular-sized’ Officers to consider, at Gannondorf’s disposal, would it not be?
I suppose it is.
*Spoiler*
The main villain in Skyward Sword is the reason why Ganondorf even exists by the way.
@Officer N.Z
*just managed to look away*
I suppose your latest comment is critical to the notes of officers on both sides, right?
Negative Zero’s still around? Nice to see you back, man.
@Soldier’s Shadow
Nice to see somebody besides Commander Cross noticed I was gone.
“I suppose your latest comment is critical to the notes of officers on both sides, right?”
Not really, I was just throwing out a fun fact.
@Officer N.Z
I was also trying to dodge an outright spoiler, admittedly.
@CC
Ah, then I won’t say anything else about that then.
@Officer N.Z
Is it fine to still speak about the armies both sides have to offer, still?
Well, Ganondorf’s pretty much won. Just gotta wait for his factpile award.
So sure, we can discuss their armies. However, it’ll have to wait until later because I’m gonna log off for now. See ya.
Would King Dodongo count as a Ganoneer force?
Why bother discussing their armies fighting it out? It’s not Ganondorf and Voldemort w/ their armies, just the two villains themselves.
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Ganondorf for the FP award.
@Soldier’s Shadow
It has the potential to be a worthwhile factpile match in itself, when we think about it and consider things carefully, actually.
Granted your mileage may vary if it’ll be as worthwhile as, if not more so than, Omega Spawn vs Khorne, but it’ll still be entertaining, nevertheless, if done right and well.
Sadly, no feats for Khorne means that such a fight would get nowhere. Just look at Odin vs Khorne.
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@Master Sarge
How about for good measure, if direct combat between the two is out of the question if we want to avert deadlocks, we send out their champions against each other, in that case?
Does Omega Spawn have any known champions he could contact, or even any allies, perhaps that would represent his forces?
Still, its not changing my mind with the armies both Gannondorf and Voldemort can throw at each other and how that may make a worthwhile fight in itself, actually.
“Would King Dodongo count as a Ganoneer force?”
I think so, if I remember right, Ganondorf brought King Dodongo back from the dead to cause trouble and whatnot.
“Ganondorf for the FP award.”
Phuck yeah.
Again, Ganondorf for the FP award.
Hope admins a’watchin’……
+1 for Ganondorf.
That is….unless theres actually anything left to discuss?
Mabey I should put Voldemort and Ganondorf in a team for a future match.
B-b-b-b-b-b-bump!!!!!!!!
“Mabey I should put Voldemort and Ganondorf in a team for a future match.”
sounds schmoolio.
@bardian
Against Kharn mabey?
Granted against Kharn would get hits, no one in the match can hurt or kill anyone in it.
“Granted against Kharn would get hits, no one in the match can hurt or kill anyone in it.”
You mean this fight or the hypothetical Ganondorf/Voldemort vs Kharn fight?