Suggested by Syncourt
Here we have one of the best known heroes of all-time in Luke Skywalker of Star Wars going up against Mephiston from the Warhammer 40K universe, making his debut on FactPile.
While Mephiston is certainly an effective opponent, I don’t know if he can overcome the Jedi in this fight.
What say you?
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Does Meph have all the WH40K psychic stuff or is he just a big weapon swinger like Kharne? Either would be tough for Luke I would think, but I don’t know the EU of SW
Then Master Chief showed up in front of them, securing his fate of being impaled by two swords.
But seriously,
I do not know enough about Mephiston to deCIDE which one is the victor.
And before anything else…
@ Syncourt,
Is this EU or highest canon?
On a side note, I wonder what will happen if Luke accidentally impaled Obi-Wan with the lightsaber the first time he turned it on? Like, he pointed the thing at Obi-Wan, who was standing next to him. just as soon as the latter asked him to turn it on.
Isn’t EU Luke absurdly powerful? I’m guessing that’s the version we’re using if we want an actual fight.
Not very popular, eh?
I am not that knowledgeable on EU Luke, but I cannot think him to be a match to Mephiston if he did not eventually get stronger than Starkiller ever was. Mephiston is to movie-Luke as a modern Navy SEAL is to a Civil War Union Soldier.
I don’t see this going well at all for the Jedi.
The EU is 100% Canon. Anyone who disputes that needs the dildo taken out of their ass. As long as the EU does not contradict something in the movies, then it is Canon. EU Luke is insanely powerful. Among some of his other feats, he has Force Lightning. However, hes like a hundred years old…
One hundred years old?
Now I know I can’t participate.
No knowledge of EU.
I never questioned the validity of EU, just that I knew very little of EU Luke.
As for the statements, we are going to need a lot more than “very powerful” to determine anything here. Having Force Lightning is no big deal to one of the most powerful Psykers currently in the Imperium. Nothing some forcefields or teleportation couldn’t handle, nevermind his supreme Space Marine physique, especially when it is enhanced by his perpetual Black Rage.
“As Mephiston heaved ferrocrete boulders aside from his tomb, the sound of tortured stone drew the attention of one such band. Weaponless, and with his armour shredded and mangled, Mephiston must have seemed easy prey, but nothing could have been further from the truth. His gene-seed, dormant these many long years, had awakened and wrought further changes, granting exceptional strength and vigour. Moving with a speed the Orks could not match, Mephiston unleashed a flurry of attacks, every blow pulverising flesh and shattering bone. Five Orks died in as many seconds, and a dozen more swiftly followed. The greenskins never stood a chance, but they were as stubborn as Mephiston was determined. It was not until the reborn angel punched clean through the biggest Ork’s chest and tore out his heart that the survivors fled. His ruined armour slick with the blood of his foes, Mephiston began the long walk to the Imperial lines.” Codex: Blood Angels (4e), p.46 – The Angelic Host: Mephiston, Lord of Death
Uh, didn’t luke still have a blue lightsaber on hoth?
Eric I think most people disregard the EU because it smacks a lot of the stuff in the movies right in the face. A Star Destroyer being able to slag an entire planet’s crust fairly quickly in the EU but somehow a blockade of them couldn’t hit the shield generator on Hoth being a great instance of this.
That having been said.. precog’s a pain in the ass to deal with. If the WH40K guy’s a psychic too I have this hilarious image in my head of the two of them stumbling repeatedly as they predict the other person predicting what they’re predicting that they’re predicting what they’re predicting that they’re predicting their next move. Not that fights with precogs are ever displayed this way in fiction but I think realistically that is how I’d go. >=)
“but somehow a blockade of them couldn’t hit the shield generator on Hoth being a great instance of this.”
The shield generator was beneath the shield.
@ Mata
I’m right there with you. I’ve only read maybe a fifth of them – and those were the beginning. My cousin goes on raves about Luke but I don’t follow him very much. I know Luke defeated the Swarm King, bit I don’t have the book to reference.
“The EU is 100% Canon.”
The EU is 100% canon within the EU universe. Not so with Lucas’s “film only” universe. There are two different versions of Luke here.
We should probably use EU Luke for this. The true Luke would be utterly stomped into paste by Mephiston.
@ Eric
No it wasn’t. If the sheild generator’s shield was protecting it, the AT-AT’s would’ve never closed in. Is this some kind of shield that creates only a flat plane above it? Why would they do that? Why not just send missiles in then? Surely they could just swerve around it. Luke’s missile pulled a 90 degree turn to get in to the Death Star. The EU can make up a lot of stuff but it can’t explain away big gaping holes like that.
The EU is just badly done.
Why would a shield block everything? If a siege shield blocked everything, then it would suffocate the people using it – especially since Hoth doesn’t have a way to reproduce oxygen – except by melting the ice.
@ Locutus
Using EU Luke is still a stomp. He’s very old. It appears Humans in Star Wars live longer than Humans on Earth, but Luke is still around 100.
“The EU is 100% canon within the EU universe. Not so with Lucas’s “film only” universe. There are two different versions of Luke here.”
As long as they don’t contradict each other….
“As long as they don’t contradict each other….”
Well, shows Luke as a pussy, the other shows Luke as a badass. I call that a contradiction ;-p
I highly doubt Luke can take Mephiston. Matt Ward decided to make him a virtual god in the 5th edition codex, so not only is he one of the most powerful psykers in the 40k universe, he is also one of the physically strongest things too. On page 15 he “throttles the life out of” M’kar the Reborn, a powerful daemon prince. For perspective, this guy gave Kaldor Draigo enough trouble to be considered his archnemesis. Kaldor Draigo is the Grey Knights Supreme Grand Master who “alone and unaided, smashes his way through Mortarion’s bodyguard, strikes the Primarch to the ground and carves Geronitan’s [Geronitan is the Supreme Grand Master Mortarion killed moments before] name on the Daemon’s vile heart.” (This is just one of the reasons I hate Matt Ward). Right, so this is about 8 different levels of powerscaling, but Mephiston is somewhere around the Daemon prince to Daemon primarch level as far as physical prowess goes.
A much more direct example, on page 17 he tears apart a carnifex with his bare hands. He also plows through a hive tyrant’s bodyguard by himself and kills the tryant before getting owned by a trygon (he survives obviously). It’s actually quite funny because there’s no reason for Mephiston to be a librarian at all. He never once uses psychic powers in his fluff. He just runs around punching people out. FFS on the table he monster rapes Kharn! (Strength 10 power weapon, he always hits first, and Kharn isn’t Eternal Warrior…)
So Mephiston is basically a loyalist version of Kharn?
Just with magic and even more rage?
WTF!?!?!
“No it wasn’t. If the sheild generator’s shield was protecting it, the AT-AT’s would’ve never closed in.”
I think slow moving objects and kinetic energy attacks can sometimes pass through certain SW shielding. We see the Millennium Falcon land on the hull of a Star Destroyer even though its shields had been raised in ESB.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY7Hn45l4h4&t=13m11s
“Well, shows Luke as a pussy, the other shows Luke as a badass. I call that a contradiction ;-p”
The movies only show but a fraction of Luke’s life and prowess. The EU (Expanded Universe) adds to his story and to that of Star Wars itself.
@ Eric
Yeah, I can see how underground shafts to reach out beyond the shield to ventilate a base would be REALLY DIFFICULT to build, compared to building an entire base in the rock… like, say, the one they actually were in. We know SW Shields apparently only block either energy or physical attacks. The shield generator wasn’t also putting up the kind needed to stop physical objects because the AT-AT’s got through just fine, if the generator was under the shield. What’s to stop missiles from doing it? Not like the rebels would have noticed those in coming, they sure as hell seemed surprised by the invasion force. Even if you go by EU, the EU makes no sense, you see?
@ Locutus
Still doesn’t explain why missiles couldn’t get through.
They’d be traveling too fast to get through the shields?
Why do you guys keep saying Luke is 100 years old? Furtherest i got was the fate of the jedi series, and hes like in his 60′s. (though that series might not be the most recent)
@ Sauro
Admiral (then Captain) Piett commented in his report to Admiral Ozzle that it was “protected by an energy field strong enough to withstand any bombardment.”
@ Itchy
It couldn’t just slow down to the same speed as a snow speeder or slower? It can alter it’s speed and direction in Zero-G to make an instant 90 degree turn but it can’t utilize its guidance features to fool a shield?
whoa whoa whoa, back up the topic. luke becomes something other than a whiny little girl? what are his feats?
Well… I have nothing to contribute. I think I’ll just lurk.
Sauro- “Yeah, I can see how underground shafts to reach out beyond the shield to ventilate a base would be REALLY DIFFICULT to build, compared to building an entire base in the rock… like, say, the one they actually were in. We know SW Shields apparently only block either energy or physical attacks. The shield generator wasn’t also putting up the kind needed to stop physical objects because the AT-AT’s got through just fine, if the generator was under the shield. What’s to stop missiles from doing it? Not like the rebels would have noticed those in coming, they sure as hell seemed surprised by the invasion force. Even if you go by EU, the EU makes no sense, you see?”
I have to agree Sauro, it really doesnt make sense. And even if the missles did travel too fast, what about standard bombs? the shield cannot block a dead weight physical object travelling at terminal velocity Seeing as larger, and faster objects made it through with no problem.
Or are we to chalk all this up to PIS stupidity on the Imperials part?
Itchy- “So Mephiston is basically a loyalist version of Kharn?
Just with magic and even more rage?
WTF!?!?!”
And since hes a bloodangel… hes also a pseudo-vampire o_O
He’s the polar Opposite of Kharn really. Kharn has succumbed to his rage and become more man than beast, a being of pure physical prowess. Mephiston has embraced his madness and surpassed it, elevating himself to a higher plane where he can use his not inconsiderable psychic powers to augment his already ludicrous speed.
Of course, lore-wise Kharn should pull the guy inside out, but this isn’t about them so…
Luke… Feats? Other than the movie feats, which frankly show him at a combat level that even we could take him down.
Well apparently Luke becomes quite a beast in the EU, I’ll go with him (even though WH40K related matches are stupidly predictable on this site).
“@ Syncourt,
Is this EU or highest canon?”
As it wasn’t announced it SHOULD just be highest canon.
“Isn’t EU Luke absurdly powerful?”
Yes, he is. He’s crazy-powerful in EU.
“I’m guessing that’s the version we’re using if we want an actual fight.”
THe assumption should be the opposite when it comes to Star Wars.
“The EU is 100% Canon. Anyone who disputes that needs the dildo taken out of their ass. As long as the EU does not contradict something in the movies, then it is Canon. EU Luke is insanely powerful. Among some of his other feats, he has Force Lightning. However, hes like a hundred years old…”
Yeah…no. It IS canon. That’s not what is being debated. However, the most recent interviews as well as Word of god (as they keep flip-flopping it every few years) is that the EU is a separate universe from the movie canon. With that said using EU Luke feats (unless Syn specifies) would be the same as using Ultimate Spiderman feats for a 616 specific Spiderman match. It just doesn’t work.
Now for a universe battle? Suuure, since the norm is to kind of pull from the multi-verse.
“That having been said.. precog’s a pain in the ass to deal with. If the WH40K guy’s a psychic too I have this hilarious image in my head of the two of them stumbling repeatedly as they predict the other person predicting what they’re predicting that they’re predicting what they’re predicting that they’re predicting their next move. Not that fights with precogs are ever displayed this way in fiction but I think realistically that is how I’d go. >=)”
Even if they both had precog I’m pretty sure the Space Marine is faster than Luke.
“The EU is 100% canon within the EU universe. Not so with Lucas’s “film only” universe. There are two different versions of Luke here.
We should probably use EU Luke for this. The true Luke would be utterly stomped into paste by Mephiston.”
Exactly. Also, I’d probably agree to using EU. Even if the rules suggest we shouldn’t.
“The EU is just badly done.”
Eres correcto!
“Using EU Luke is still a stomp. He’s very old. It appears Humans in Star Wars live longer than Humans on Earth, but Luke is still around 100.”
IF –and that’s a big if– we used EU Luke then wouldn’t we use his last fighting fit incarnation?
““The EU is 100% canon within the EU universe. Not so with Lucas’s “film only” universe. There are two different versions of Luke here.”
As long as they don’t contradict each other….”
No, no, no. Completely separate universes.
“I think slow moving objects and kinetic energy attacks can sometimes pass through certain SW shielding. We see the Millennium Falcon land on the hull of a Star Destroyer even though its shields had been raised in ESB.”
BUT TEH CLOAKS!!!
A small ship is too small to have cloaks but they have the technology for the even smaller PERSONAL cloaks!
“have to agree Sauro, it really doesnt make sense. And even if the missles did travel too fast, what about standard bombs? the shield cannot block a dead weight physical object travelling at terminal velocity Seeing as larger, and faster objects made it through with no problem.
Or are we to chalk all this up to PIS stupidity on the Imperials part?”
OR it could be they wanted prisoners? I doubt it of course…and it’s never explained…but…yeah. PIS.
Damn…….why do i always show up late to these type of things? Hmmmmmm….the strongest pysker other then Tigurius and the emperor vs canon batshit powerful luke….wow
So should we vote on it. I mean, I haven’t seen Syncourt since,errr…last year.
Oh i’ll have some quotes on Mephiston soon, but just know he can star at people and pwn them…
“just know he can star at people and pwn them…”
That’s the thing with 40k characters…outside their universe they are too OP for anything…except, maybe, Galactus.
Well i’m pretty sure Galactus would pwn most of 40k. But not all!!!
“When fighting as part of the relief force for Hades Hive during the Second War for Armageddon campaign, he became a victim of the Red Thirst. Inducted into the Death Company he took part in the assault on an Ecclesiarchy building, and was one of many trapped inside when the building collapsed during the battle. For seven days and seven nights Calistarius lay trapped in the rubble, teetering on the edge of death and madness. But somehow, rather than succumbing to the Red Thirst, he managed to conquer it. By sheer strength of will he was able to suppress and hold in check the feelings of rage and the desire for blood, and in doing so he became something more. On the seventh night he burst free of his rocky tomb, reborn as Mephiston, the Lord of Death.
His resurrection did not go unwitnessed. By this time Hades lay once more in the hands of the Imperium, but Orks still roamed the ruins. As Mephiston heaved debris aside from his tomb, the sound of tortured stone drew the attention of one such band. Weaponless, and with his armour shredded and mangled, Mephiston must have seemed easy prey, but nothing could have been further from the truth. His gene-seed, dormant these many long years, had awakened and wrought further changes, granting exceptional strength and vigor. Moving with a speed the Orks could not match, Mephiston unleashed a flurry of attacks, every blow pulverizing flesh and shattering bone. Five Orks died in as many seconds, and a dozen more swiftly followed. The greenskins never stood a chance, but they were as stubborn as Mephiston was determined. It was not until the reborn angel punched clean through the biggest Ork’s chest and tore out his heart that the survivors fled. His ruined armour slick with the blood of his foes, mephiston began the long walk to the imperial lines.”
This guy is the chuck norris of warhammer 40k.
40K isn’t that OP as people make it out to be. I mean it’s absurdly powerful still but there are quite a few universes that can downright stomp them quite easily. Immediate example that comes to mind; Marvel though they stomp practically every universe…
@SS
I did say ‘Galactus’.
@Blood
I saw that, I wasn’t targeting you with my post but rather the active whiners on how “OMG 40K is gayly OP and no fair!!!!”. It’s pretty obvious that they aren’t OP by now but others don’t realize that….
Except SW and ST fans who are disgruntled by being schooled by 40K regularly.
*Edit
When I meant ‘Except SW and ST fans’, I mean they’re the only ones who seem to complain about 40K being so OP.
@SS
NO harm done, buddy. I know what you mean. I was kinda let down when I first saw the Star Wars vs 40k threads in this site but as I read them I knew that 40k thoroughly deserved victory. Still, I think that Galactus could do major damage to most of 40k’s characters.
I had the same reaction as before the site, I always thought Star Wars was the big tough guy in Sci-Fi along with Halo but then I realized Halo’s pathetically weak when compared to most other sci-fi and that 40K was much tougher than I thought when I saw them beat SW on many threads. Nowadays, I’m completely fine with 40K getting wins, I just can’t debate for them well as I only know the games.
Yeah, Galactus would do some serious, serious damage on 40K if he’s not starved. My guess is that the only thing that’d give him real trouble when full powered would be 40K’s gods. Other than that, UN would dominate for big G.
“When I meant ‘Except SW and ST fans’, I mean they’re the only ones who seem to complain about 40K being so OP.”
What? No Starcraft?
Hmm, since we’re talking about universes that can beat 40K, I just like to ask if Marvel vs Xenosaga is fair?
“Hmm, since we’re talking about universes that can beat 40K, I just like to ask if Marvel vs Xenosaga is fair?”
Meh, something tells me it’ll come down to “Marvel’s cosmic pantheon stomps” and ignoring everything else like in every other Marvel universe debate.
@ Cide
Lucasarts maintains the Holocron, a database of everything considered in the overall Star Wars continuity. Now in my opinion, it would be a massive waste of money and server space to upkeep a server which only includes elements from the movies and tv show. The EU is awful. I hate it but I’ve always accepted the canonicity of it to the overall Star Wars.
*EDIT* Damn touchscreen…
@ Cide
Lucasarts maintains the Holocron, a database of everything considered in the overall Star Wars continuity. Now in my opinion, it would be a massive waste of money and server space to upkeep a server which only includes elements from the movies and tv show. This leads me to assume that this latest move overrides the very old statements by Lucas and Chee.
The EU is awful. I hate it but I’ve always accepted the canonicity of it to the overall Star Wars.
*looks at the combatants, and the comments*
…
My condolences to Princess Leia.
He has a plasma pistol
“Mephiston’s fingers drummed on the grip of his plasma pistol.”
Pg.76 Deus Sanguinius
And his sword.
“The Blood Angel’s hand dropped to the hilt of his arcane force sword, the ancient mind-blade Vitarus”
pg.79
“Mephiston’s burning gaze had been known to stop enemies in their tracks and leave them broken and weeping.”
Pg.76 Deus Sanguinius
“For the first time, their eyes met, and from within the dark pits of Mephiston’s soul, he turned his transfixing glare upon the youth; the sheer force of the mental charge between them set other men staggering upon their feet. “We shall see,” intoned the Lord of Death, turning his baleful sight on Arkio’s very soul.”
Pg.77 DS
“The Gaze was a lens that opened up the hidden world to Mephiston’s perception. The power burning inside him shone through the gates of his vision like the beam of a devout searchlight, pinning the weak and the unhallowed as it fell upon them. His sight-beyond-sight stripped away the illusions of reality and bared souls so that the Lord of Death could examine their pale, naked truths. He saw Arkio as if he were an anatomical sketch drawn from some textbook of the magus biologis, layers of skin, bone, muscle and nerve visible to him. The boy was glass, and Mephiston’s gaze shone into him, illuminating every corner of his spirit as searing sunlight falling through a prism. There. It was concealed well, buried beneath levels of wards and mind-baffles, the matter of it worked into the bone and meat of the Space Marine’s body, but the taint could not hide from the unblinking eye of Mephiston’s powers. ”
Pg.78 DS
“Mephiston drew back with a grim sneer on his lips. “If only your divinity matched the scope of your arrogance, lad, you might be what you appear.” “How dare you!” blurted Sachiel, stepping forward. “He is the Reborn Angel, the light of—” “Silence, priest.” The psyker stilled him with a single glance, and Sachiel clasped at his throat, coughing”
Pg.79 DS
“The Lord of Death slammed his force weapon back into its sheath and beckoned Rafen closer. “Come to me, brother. If you wish this, then let me know you.” Rafen knelt before Mephiston and raised his head. “Aye, I wish it.” The light behind the psyker’s eyes glowed and burnt a path into Rafen’s mind. He felt his body tense and Mephiston’s hand shot out, cupping his chin so he could not turn away. The Librarian’s powerful inner sight tore apart any defence of will that Rafen might have thought he had, slipping into the corridors of his psyche in a flood of power. His brain felt like hot magma, churning and boiling as storms of long-forgotten memory were dredged up and examined. Nothing that was Rafen escaped the gaze of Mephiston. For a brief moment, their mentalities were unified as the Lord of Death sifted through the Marine’s consciousness. Mephiston tasted Rafen’s heart, the colours and shades of his soul—he saw pieces of the man that even Rafen himself could not comprehend”
Pg.81 DS
Not necessarily a fact but a nice reputation.
““Mistake?” Ideon rattled, his synthetic voice buzzing like hornets in a tin can. “Mephiston does not make mistakes, Solus. This is a declaration of war!””
Pg.87 DS
“He glanced around as he did, finding his bearings by the actinic glow of blue mind-fire that blazed about the Lord of Death. Steam wreathed the Librarian in white streams where the rainwater flashed to vapour around him. As Rafen watched, the ethereal lightning that haloed Mephiston congealed around the upright spars of his psychic hood, coiling into rods of energy that seared his eyes to look at. Twin horned skulls at the tips of the ghost-metal psy-wave conductors flashed with barely controlled power, and the Librarian swelled beneath his blood red armour, drawing the lethal potential into himself. Colours and shades that had no place on the plane of the living came into being, the air itself shimmering and bending like a phantom lens. Rafen saw Mephiston’s target—a squad of Word Bearers Havoc Marines, bristling with heavy weapons. The Lord of Death turned his face to them and his eyes flashed. On the battlefield, Rafen had seen other Blood Angels psykers use the skill they called the Quickening, a blanket of power that could turn the user into a tornado of destruction, but Mephiston was the master of another psionic force, one that dwarfed the talents of the Librarians and codicers who served beneath him. The power of the Smite was unleashed, a blaze of insane geometry cut from liquid light fanning out into a teardrop of pure and undiluted annihilation. The witch-fire engulfed the Havocs and set them alight; ammunition packs detonated and armour split. Rafen instinctively joined in on the great cheer of approval that came from Mephiston’s Blood Angels.”
Pg.90-91 DS
This one is just for the lolz
““You understand what will occur if you fail, Rafen?” The Librarian’s voice was low and hard. “Even as we speak, my battle barge is engaged in a fight for its survival in orbit. I have left orders with the brother-captain commanding her that if Arkio’s loyalists tip the balance, then Sabien is to be targeted with cyclonic torpedoes. Better this shrine world become ashes men this schism be allowed to spread further.””
Pg.91 DS
“Curious, thought Mephiston, how the passage of time became elastic in the throes of conflict. He skewered a Word Bearer and the helot soldier behind him with one swift thrust of the mindblade Vitarus, the force sword immolating them both in gusts of blue flame.”
Pg.104 DS
““Red foes, red friends,” snapped the veteran. “Who is the enemy here, lord?” “Everyone,” the psyker replied, burning down a dozen more wayward souls with his screeching plasma pistol. “This is not battle, this is chaos.”
Pg.104 DS
“Bolter fire in careful, targeted ranks ranged down on them from the middle of the enemy throng, where Word Bearers were marshalling a concerted effort. The Librarian threw back the power of the Smite, a psychic tornado ripping across the square to dismember them.”
Pg.105 DS
“Mephiston threw himself into the throng, leaving behind the hillock of rabble and stone he had defended to wade deep in the gore of his adversaries. He showed sharp fangs and eyes of fire as death rained down around him, red floods of it flashing in the air. “Terra and God-Emperor,” breathed the veteran, as he watched the Librarian shred the unwary foes. “He’s not a man, he’s a storm with a sword.””
Pg.105 DS
“Mephiston knew this; it was the greatest glory of the Lord of Death’s existence to cast the aberrant and the reviled into shreds. He was at the very tip of the arrow of red ceramite that marked the Blood Angels advance, slashing through the lines of Word Bearers and the helots who dared to assault the Marines that towered over them. The psyker killed a man, a commoner whose mind had been addled by the Chaos demagogues, killed him with a look from his flinty, iron-hard eyes. The over-spill of Mephiston’s Quickening brushed the errant fool and stopped his heart, bursting blood vessels all over the slave trooper’s rough-hewn robes. The hot fluid spattered the psyker’s muscular body armour and droplets found their way to his cheeks. Mephiston wiped them from his pale, sallow face and licked the blood from his fingers. It was the most perfect wine, a lustrous red vintage filled with heady adrenaline. The Blood Angel’s fangs drew out over his thin lips. He was suddenly filled with the anticipation of more, more,more! He threw aside the dead man and cut wet streaks through a Word Bearers Havoc trooper, bisecting the barrel of the lascannon he held and cutting into the pallid white meat of the enemy Marine’s neck. The force sword’s downward fall did not end there, blue lightning clashing and spitting into the body, severing it into unequal chunks.”
Pg.113 DS
“Another man might have found pity for them in his heart, but both of Mephiston’s were filled to the brim with only vehemence. He killed them all, cutting and slashing with the sword, taking up those that did not run from him with his free hand to rip their throats from their necks. He drank from their veins to feed the predator-self inside him.”
Pg.114 DS
……
Wow. I never knew Kharn had a brother.
They should team up in a match HINT HINT!!!!!
Good god chuck….nobody deserves that…oh wait, Samus does…..Lara Croft does, the Zerg do, the Tyranid do, Dante does….
*looks at gravatars*
…………………………………………michael what the hell.
And he claims he isn’t gay…
@ itcheyness
I think his trend started with the FacPilers vs Zombified City thread, they were discussing how unicorns and ponies were superior to the Hulk back then.
As the for debate…
Well, I’ve got nothing to add.
Nooo…i’m alive =D
But yeah, I was thinking of the EU Luke when I thought of this match…as he has shown nothing in the movies that would make this a fair match.
@ Overkill
Was just pointing out why some people (like myself) dislike the EU somewhat. The movies already have enough issues as it is. The EU just makes things worse. But at least the canon is easier to decipher than Gundam’s! Thanks, Tomino, thanks a lot.
@ Blood Dancer
Yes, WH40K is OP.. for most western sci-fi. Only Megas and Dr.Who come to mind on what would stand up to it. The Japanese, however…
May I point you to..
Mazinkaiser
Shin Getter Robo
Unicron and his replacement, Tornedron
Pretty much any Buster Machine from Aim for the Top (gunbuster/diebuster animes)
Super Robot Wars, with units like Neo Granzon and Astranagant
Macross’ Vajra, probably the weakest force listed here and they’re inter-galactic. There’s more of them than you have bullets.. not that it matters since they’re crazy durable and adapt to weapons over time.
Ideon
TTGL may not even notice the WH40K galaxy.
That’s just a sampling to all the OP Crap the Japanese put out on a regular basis. It’s like a hobby of theirs to see who can make to most insanely over powered robot.
It seems to me that those SW Fans are the same sort you can find anywhere. You’ll see them in Star Trek. I see them all the time in Gundam Wing.. and now Gundam SEED… Ugh. And of course we see them in WH40K. It just is impossible for these people to consider their uber super bad ass favorite game/universe/whatever as having nothing superior to it and they seem to love it only because of how powerful the stuff in it is. The fact of the matter is, though, there’s always something that can trump it. It might be something stupidly childishly strong.. but it’s there. I have no idea what makes these people latch on to their favorite sci-fi so much, and why they seem to love it only because it is so powerful. I’d love to read an article exploring that though.
Since I listed some OP stuff, here is some links to some stupidly OP mecha doing what they do, just for a fun watch, and to piss off those aforementioned fanboys. Neo Granzon has to be my favorite, based on the Mecha’s looks alone.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRadapYs7mk
www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-dSfEUBV-8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBI2Sntjblg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gm6czdcp3k
Enjoy. =)
As for the debate, the WH40K guy is sounding like he’s at least on Mace Windu levels of physical bad assery. I don’t think Luke was up to that scale of awesome.
Good to see you back Syncourt,last time you were here, I just found Factpile and was still a budding ‘Piler, which I still am, considering my horrible debating skills.
Correction: having something superior*
Syncourt do you have any feats for EU Luke?
@itchy and the other guy accusing me of being gay
I feel that watching My Little Pony keeps me mentally balanced, since I enjoy blowing of peoples heads with sniper rifles, sticking explosives to them and laughing maniacally as they explode, and lighting zombies on fire. All the good stuff.
And I thank swifterdeath for getting me into it.
Besides, I’m not the only one. Plenty of males watch it, older ones. Why? Failed target audience, thats why….or was it…..?
The main problem with this entire discussion is Matt Ward. We cant’ have a good discussion when his material is of relevance.
Matt Ward….did….something…..right?????……..
Malfunction….malfunction…..
Now if only he take what he did to the overly-wanked space marines and apply it to, oh, say, the Necrons, or the Orkz, or, hell, the Tyranid. (Please gank the Tau though)
“Good god chuck….nobody deserves that…oh wait, Samus does…..Lara Croft does, the Zerg do, the Tyranid do, Dante does….”
Two Supersonic tanks with a wide variety of weapons leading an army of Zergranid hybrids…..
“But yeah, I was thinking of the EU Luke when I thought of this match…as he has shown nothing in the movies that would make this a fair match.”
Aww no more canon debate? That’s like a good 80% of content on SW matches.
@Michael50210
What, no “my little pony” Necron?
EU seems to amp Luke quite a bit.
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Shadows of Mindor
Page 81
“Using the Force to leap from rock to rock so swiftly he practically flew also relieved him of the need to watch his footing. He covered the two kilometers in about two minutes.”
Page 89 to 90
“The other stormtrooper swore and triggered an autoburst from his carbine. Luke’s other hand, the prosthetic hand that had replaced the one his father had taken, came up in an arc that precisely followed the motions of the carbine’s muzzle and caught all five bolts squarely in its palm. He turned the palm upward in a friendly shrug and let the astonished troopers stare at the only effect of the Force-blunted blasterfire: a faint curl of steam that trailed upward from his unmarked palm.”
FoTJ: Backlash pg. 60
“Farther down the pass, Luke gestured as if making an upward palm strike against the empty air. Meters away, the farthest rancor stumbled backward and fell, landing full on its rider.”
Other feats
www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=532457
www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=532457
@Lowk
No, couldn’t find one.
I would argue about Mephistons superiority, but with the already posted feats of immense strength,speed, and psychic ability I’m sure we’re all in agreement on Mephiston taking this match up.
Yep. Once more, you and I are in agreement about something.
Where all the SW aficionados at? Did they all just leave or what?
@Lowk
I am a SW aficionado but I know better than fighting a losing battle.
Heres some quotes on lesser marines…
In reply to the kilometers in minutes, this dude walks 15 kilometers in 20 minutes.
Space mairnes can withstand temperatures nearing absolute zero. And no oxygen or close to it.
“A faint, barely visible, green light pulsed weakly. The air was cold and thin; there was insufficient
oxygen to sustain life and the temperature was approaching absolute zero. There was the dis-cernable hiss of escaping gas. Gabriel
shook the disorientation out of his mind and realised that the green light indicated a structural breach – the Thunderhawk had lost
its integrity. He pushed himself up off the deck, noting that gravity had returned, and surveyed the ruins of his gunship.
The impressive shape of Zhaphel stood in the hatchway to the cockpit. The Librarian usually preferred not to wear his helmet, but
now it was firmly secured against the lethal environment. He had leant his axe against the hatch-frame and was stooped over the
broken form of Taldeer. A pool of thick blood surrounded the prone alien, hissing with a faint toxicity against the icy metal floor.
In the cockpit beyond, Gabriel could see the back of Korinth as he worked at the controls of the Thunderhawk. The ruins of the
eldar’s throne-based shield-array had been pushed unceremoniously aside.
The main compartment was in ruins. Techmarine Ephraim was already busy trying to repair some of the worst structural damage;
his metallic augmetics chattered and flashed with welding torches and rivet guns, pasting armoured panels back into place like
patchwork. The massive form of Tanthius reached up to the ceiling and held the joists and trusses in place for the Techmarine to
work on.
The broken and cracked floor was dented with the convex imprints of massive incisors and it was slick with a noxious mixture of
alien blood and daemonic refuse. In the extreme cold, the congealing liquids were sickly and viscous, studded with frozen crystals
like glittering jewels.
Slumped on the floor were the bulky forms of Jonas and Corallis. They were both beginning to stir from beneath a thick layer of
freezing ichor, which coated their armour like a pernicious gloss. Corallis had been tossed into the air and smashed against the
ceiling of the compartment just as its structure had been breached; the aging Jonas, recently dragged out of his effective retirement
on Rahe’s Paradise, had simply fought until he had dropped.”
Pg.260 Dawn of War Omnibus
“A narrow channel had been blown through the sand; it started in a crater about two hundred metres away and ended at my feet.
From the look of it, it had been made by the impact and slide of a fast-moving, solid body. Perhaps it was the impact scar of a
meteor. Or perhaps the signature of my own arrival on this planet?
Scanning the rest of the horizon and turning in the opposite direction, the desert dropped away sharply into a ravine. I was
standing on the lip of a sheer cliff. Far below, the foot of the cliff-face was lost in deepest shadow, making it almost impossible to
estimate the depth of the fall.
…
A better way down was more direct. The cliff beneath my feet was rocky and riddled with cracks. Tufts of vegetation had drilled
their roots into the surface, suggesting that there would be handholds in the cliff, and that its composition was likely to be
sedimentary – sandstone perhaps. I should be able to hack out handholds with my knife, if I need to. The climb looked challenging,
especially in the icy dark, but I felt confident that I had made harder climbs before, even though I could not remember them.I
must not leave the sword. As I stood on the brink of the climb, a third possibility suggested itself to me like a secret revelation. I might survive the fall.
Holding my hands out in front of my face, I studied the strong, heat-scarred fingers; the large combat knife looked tiny in my fist,
even as it glinted with the last rays of the third red sun. The armoured panels that covered my arms were scratched and dented, but
they seemed immovably fixed, as though they were somehow grafted to my body. The ceramite plates looked heavy and
formidable, and yet I could not feel their weight at all. It was as though they were made of the air itself. The armour supports its
own weight. It does not sap my strength; it gives strength to me. Glancing back over my shoulder towards the last of the setting suns, I considered the deep impact channel that had been ploughed
through the desert up to my feet. I’ll survived that, the drop from this cliff would be nothing.
As I watched, the third sun finally dipped below the horizon and the last of its ruddy light vanished from the surface of the desert.
For a moment, a heavy dark shroud hung over the scene, obscuring everything beneath a veil. But then, as though activated by a
silent and secret command, two pale red moons emerged from behind the roiling clouds; one massive like a fourth sun, and the
other little more than the reflection of an eye. All at once the sky was alive with points of light, as the gently swirling clouds
parted and shifted to reveal unknown constellations of stars and raging tempests of nebulae. Where is this place? The sands of the
desert were cast into myriad colours, each grain a pale reflection of the glory of the stars above.
Vairocanum. The thought brought me back to the top of the cliff, prodding back into my mind like the pain of a phantom-limb. ‘I’m wasting time. The one thing that I was sure about, the one thing that I knew had a place in my life, the one thing that I could name was at the base of that cliff. Everything else seemed vague and poisoned by conjecture, ignorance and disremembrance. Resolution settled into my mind: I am a warrior, and I must have my sword. Taking a single step backwards and then two rapid steps forwards, I vaulted off the top of the cliff and down into the darkness below. THE FROZEN DESERT rose up to meet me like a solid and impenetrable block of ice. As my feet punched into its surface I could feel
the frozen structure crack and shatter beneath me. The ground frost exploded instantly, scattering shards of ice and fragments of
congealed sand in all directions, as though they were being evacuated from a blast crater. With the ice-hard surface thoroughly
ruined, my legs ploughed down into the softer sand beneath; it decelerated me rapidly as it compacted under the force of my
impact.
I hardly felt that landing at all. The dynamism felt right. I am the sword of the Great Father. The phrase emerged out the darkness like a flaming torch in my brain; it was instinctive and I knew that I believed it instantly, but the words rang hollow like distant bells. The Great Father?”
Pgs.207-208 Dawn of War Omnibus
“By my own calculations, I had walked about fifteen kilometres in twenty minutes, through a frozen desert in arctic
temperatures, and yet I was not even breathing hard. I could not remember the last time I had eaten or drunk, and yet I felt strong
and full of energy. The maelstrom of superheated sand had blasted past me, and I had hardly even noticed.”
Pg.209 DoWO
”
C. S. Goto «The Blood Ravens» recall the blue-helmeted visages of the other warriors in that vision, as they charged towards me with their weapons crackling with warp light. I recalled a sense of resolve: I would not let the ship fall. However, my mind was not certain about whether the threat to the ship was the warriors or the nebulous snakes of warp fury that oozed through the corridor behind them. They blurred into a single, thundering force, charging at me as I plungedVa iroca num into the deck and… and then I had found myself reaching for my sword, blistered and cooking, lying in the midday sun in this Throne-forsaken desert. I am the sword of Vidya. What did that mean? On the summit of the mountain, I looked out towards the eastern horizon, which was already clothed in the midnight blues and
purples of the gathering night. As far as I could see, barren mountains aspired into the sky, rippling out into the distance. The
landscape was cut through with arid canyons and desolate valleys, each hidden in the deepening shadows of the mountains and
cliffs that flanked them. There was no sign of a city, a base or an airstrip. There was no sign of the vessel that I was sure that I had
seen. It could be anywhere. Any one of the ravines could hide a landing pad, a dwelling, an entire city.
Behind me, the desert rolled out like a red carpet, touching the horizon at the kiss of the largest sun. The cliff on which I had
started the day had already disappeared from view, even from the vantage point offered by this mountaintop. In the space of one
short day, I had walked further than the eye could see – further even than the enhanced and flawless eyes of the Emperor could
discern.”
Pg.210 DoWO
“Even after hours on my knees in meditation, my legs sprang easily and powerfully, pushing me to my feet as though my muscles were already warm and supple.
…
TuggingVa iroca num out of the rock and spinning her into my back-holster, I paused to calculate the trajectory of the landing craft
and then vaulted off the peak of the mountain, jumping and sliding my way between the shelves that protruded from the sheer face
of the east-facing side, skidding and skating my way through the rolling sand storm kicked up by the second and third suns as they
crested the horizon.
The descent took only a matter of seconds. When I hit the ground, I was already running, hurdling the rocks and traversing the
dunes, checking my bearings against the thickening contrail above me as the vessel dropped through the ozone layer of the
stratosphere.”
Pg.213 DoWO
“My fingers clawed experimentally at the sandstone, testing its density to
see whether I could rip out handholds or stab them through with my combat knife. The surface crumbled under the strength of my
fingers, and I realised in frustration that even if I could cut a hold it would not support my weight.
…
I am an Angel of Death! The surprising thought was immediately comfortable in my head, resonating with warmth and pertinence. With a cry that rose from my stomach, I leapt into the air, reaching out with one hand above my head. I felt my fingers clasp the
top lip of the stone, and I pulled, yanking my body up the rock face and flipping my legs over my head in a smooth arc. The
ruddy, red light burst all around me as I cleared the rock-line and landed on top of the sandstone pavement. Instantly, my eyes
scanned the sky and identified the distant, descending form of the gunship. Keeping my gaze fixed on the vessel, I started to mn
again, jumping and springing automatically over the wide cracks and crevices in the sloping ground.
I made that jump like it was nothing. The thought tumbled about my head as I ran, distracting me and jabbing me with its significance. That rock was more than twice my height. My skin still tingled with an unrealised power. I could have gone higher
…
With a natural confidence and an animal strength that still surprised me, I reached hand over hand and started to move, letting my
body hang from my grip on the lip of the cliffs that formed the perimeter of the city, hidden within the matrix of cracks but
heading over towards the landing craft.”
Pg.214 DoWO
“Taking advantage of the distraction, whatever it was, I eased myself out of the crevice and darted across to the cusp of the valley,
sheathingVa iro canu m before dropping off the cliff and spinning to catch myself on the lip with my fingertips.”
Pg.228 DoWO
“I was learning the limits of my physiology as I went, and I soon discovered that my body could withstand long drops and
that my arms could catch my weight even after a fall of a dozen metres.”
Pg.233 DoWO
i feel i should play devil’s advocate to make this fight worthy of an award…….think mephiston will win still, but luke can put up a fight. and i’m only going off of the links put up by lowk because i have no eu books or have ever read them. not going to touch the mind control/hypnosis part though, just physical feats.
-this might be able to unarm mephiston….
Omen, pg 229
“Luke caught Tadar’Ro’s eye and smiled a little. Then, before Ben knew what was happening, there was a sharp pop of displaced air. The Vor’cha stick simply vanished from his hands to reappear in his father’s. He gaped for a second, and then realized that while he had been studying so hard to learn flow-walking, Luke had readily mastered the other known Aing-Tii Force technique. He laughed a little as Luke tosed the stick back to his son.”
-here’s some physical and perception speed
“She was supernaturally fast, and it was only by holding to the Force that he could being to match her.” -not a quantifiable speed, but just beyond peak human is logical to determine general speed of this
………
“The Force. Let it work for you, Luke.Luke heard Ben’s voice calling as if from a great distance, echoing across space and time. Yes. He managed a breath as Guri raised her hand, formed now into a blade instead of a fist, a grin of triumph lightingi her features—When he blew out his air, he blew his fear out with it. He had to trust the Force completely—Guri slowed, as if she were suddenly mired in thickened time. He saw her hand descending, saw it moving to smash him, but it was so incredibly slow, why, he could easily just roll aside and stand, before she ever reached him…He did so. He felt as if he were moving at normal speed, though there was a crackling feeling to his motion, a sound like a strong wind whistling about his ears.
He came up, pivoted, thrust his open palm against the descending chop, shoved it aside. He used his left leg, a sweep that caught Guri behind the right ankle. Her feet left the floor, still moving in slow motion, and she fell, floated down, hit flat on her back…Time speeded up. Leia’s yell still echoed down the corridor. Guri hit the floor.”
Shadows of the Empire pg.358-359
-here’s some telekinetic strength to go off of…(no page # just book though)
“Black Fleet #3 – Tyrant’s Test
Extending his hands and his will, Luke found the points of greatest stress within the structure and pressed upon them, found the points of greatest fragility and sundered them. With a roar that momentarily rivaled the wind, the hermitage collapsed in on itself, crushing the fighter still sealed within it.
But that was not enough to satisfy Luke, not enough to forever erase the temptation. One after another, he raised the pieces of the ruined hermitage, the broken ship, up out of the sand and into the air, crumbling them with the force of his thoughts, until it was a dense, swirling cloud of pebble-sized fragments and metal bits.
Then, with a final, explosive effort of will, he hurled the cloud of debris far out beyond the breakers, where it rained down on the churning water and vanished from sight.”
-even though it is already on here i suppose i’ll throw this in also as an amount of damage luke can tank with the force…..
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-anyone know how powerfull AT_AT walkers blasters are? and i’m not sure so someone will have to let me know the details on this because this might not work for kinetic force from mephiston’s sword or fists.
-the other quote lowk provided means luke can run 60 kph(37mph)
-mephiston’s 15km in 20 minutes is 45kph(27.75mph)
-i guess that should do for now. blast away at these feats then.
Nice quote, but next time you post sources can you format it so the line would go from left to right without a big space between every few words? It gets rather annoying to read it that way.
? don’t see a problem with it….there’s the proper spacing in between words and punctuations, and only one line space between paragraphs if there are two paragraphs in a quote, with the book/page # starting or ending a quote(and quotations) and me also announcing each quote beforehand and what it pertains to. you sure it didn’t load wrong for you or something? eh, either way it was just copied and pasted from the link lowk gave. i’ll mess with it some next time.
The quote wasn’t on Mephiston it was on a lesser librarian, who was WALKING!!!
Luke seems to have become a badass over the years… although he still won’t win.
@Fisher i have no idea why it does that, i’ll see what I can do.
“By midday, the sun would beat down on the deserts like a hammer, hot enough to suck all the life and moisture from a man in a matter of hours. Captain Davian Thule had little reason to concern himself over the heat of the midday sun, any more than he had reason to worry over the chill of the moonless
desert night. Even without his blood-red power armour, his superhuman body was more than capable of handling even greater extremes of temperature and environment, but wearing his armour, as he’d done since first setting foot on Calderis a month before, he could survive everything from the cold of space to the heat of a close approach on a star’s photosphere.”
Pg.12 Dawn of War 2
oh, wait…..chuck’s quotes…lol sorry fisherking. that’s what led me to the assumption that it was mephiston’s speed from the top (looked annoying to read so didn’t…better now though).
-well since that wasn’t mephiston we really can’t use those feats unless you can show they are the same for all librarians. does mephiston have armor that makes him “does not sap my strength; it gives strength to me.” or is it just him? either way, you’d need to show mephiston doing speed feats like this, something stating speed, or saying time and distance to figure it out. i have no doubt he’s fast, but if we get a # to it we can directly compare it to luke’s speed.
@Mike
Keep in mind Brother-Librarian Rammah in Chuck’s quote had amnesia at the time, (and was unarmoured I think), its likely he wasn’t using psychic powers during that period. (Which would make this a ‘normal’ space marine feat, rather than a librarian feat…)
Mephiston is better than this guy in EVERY SINGLE WAY. It should work to use these as it’s doubtful that there will be anything as quantifiable.
He wasn’t using psychic power but he was armored.
So yeah normal SM.
Some psyker abilities used by librarians. Mephiston should be able to use them as he is so powerful, but if not…hey might as well post them.
” With his psychic hood serving to dampen any latent pyskers in the ork horde, the Librarian inspired the members of Thule’s party from the vanguard, eldritch energies crackling from his gauntlets as his shouted battle cries rang out over the melee’s din. Time and again the Librarian’s psyker abilities allowed him to blunt the enemies’ attacks, and he moved through the carnage with impossible speed, his blade snapping out lightning fast to slash against one greenskin enemy in one instant, then reappearing metres away to parry the blow of another ork in the
next. Niven was a relentless combatant, seemingly tireless, lashing out time and again at the unwashed onslaught, striking fear into the enemies’ soulless hearts.”
Pg.34 Dawn of War 2
Some jumping
“The force of the bolts’ impact toppled the ork backwards, and without wasting an instant’s advantage, Thaddeus leapt into the air a few metres and came crashing down on the supine monster’s chest. Swinging his chainsword like a farmer cutting wheat with a scythe, Thaddeus cleaved the head of the ork from his massive shoulders, ending forever his bellowing rage.”
Pg.40 Dawn of War 2
Lesser psyker powers, like heating up materials to be white hot instantly.
“Creed increased the pressure from his trigger fingers. Suddenly he gave a yelp of painand let go of both guns. Creed looked down at the palms of his hands. Both werecovered in large red weals and blistering skin, which stung like a milliasaur bite.Inexplicably, in a matter of seconds the metal of the stubbers had become white-hot, as if they had been heated in a furnace. Creed hugged his hands to his sides in anattempt to dull the pain.’Now we run!’ Haze shouted, pulling sharply on Creed’s arm. The burning pain still overwhelming his senses, forgetting his precious guns thebounty hunter allowed himself to be dragged away by the desperate doctor, who nowseemed to have found the motivation to flee.”
Crucible of War Pg.9
DAMN YOU MATT WARD, WHAT MONSTER HAVE YOU CREATED?!
I don’t think that Matt Ward made this one.
OR DID HE?
well put a list of the feats out there and i’ll do my best to see what luke can do to counter them.
“DAMN YOU MATT WARD, WHAT MONSTER HAVE YOU CREATED?!”
“I don’t think that Matt Ward made this one. OR DID HE?”
Dawn of War is by CS Goto. What Matt Ward is to codex writers, this guy is to Black Library, at least as far as writing quality goes. Dawn of War the game is about as fluffy as a slab of granite. Every time I even think about that one time a chaplain punched out a bloodthirster, I feel like I’m gonna have a stroke. Though with the way the codices are creeping, it probably won’t be too far off…
wait…..a blood thirster that in another thread that basically was determined to defeat a balrog, can be knocked out by a chaplain? wow, they need some consistency organization in the 40k writing world.
A Bloodthirster, a large solidified block of evil from the Dark Gods, can be defeated by a Chaplain, the keeper of the faith and the single most holy being in most any armyarmies, who got to that position by being harder to kill and more inspiring than anything on the battlefield.
Given that 40K works on faith (Ork Guns, much of the psychic powers could be seen as this and of course daemon summoning), its safe to assume that enough faith can get you through hard times. And these guys are born to have more faith than you, and to increase the faith round them.Space marines are already beings of awe for all those around them. Add in pitch Black armour, a skull-mask and an insane resistance to damage even when when compared to your fellow marines… Don’t see why they shouldn’t be able to take down a lower-tier bloodthirster.
@man
Thanks! oh boy, seems like everyone has far surpassed me in number of stars =(
@chuck
Sorry chuck, I don’t =P Most of the matches i request is based on information I’ve heard (or read through FP)…which sometimes doesn’t work too well (i.e. my “Leman Russ vs. Juracule Mihawk” matchup =S)
But what I’ve heard was the EU Luke is supposed to be absurdly more powerful than movie Luke and Mephiston is a badass.
@Jwlynas, I’m pretty sure most Space Marines don’t actually worship the Emperor as a god. They revere him as the greatest man to have ever lived, but a man nonetheless. Which actually makes a lot of sense given that some of them like Bjorn were around long enough to see the Emperor with their own two eyes, and the Emperor himself was an atheist who got pissed at Lorgar for worshipping him so much it interfered with his campaign. Also, the Ecclesiarchy as it is today started as a cult that didn’t solidify until 2,000 years after the Heresy, so the marines had quite a bit of time to form their own beliefs. It’d be like a hypothetical immortal who had actually met Jesus meeting Mel Gibson walking around today claiming Jesus hated Jews. The immortal would be like “Well I actually met Jesus 2,000 years ago… and he was a Jew.”
As for the bloodthirster, it’s a 30 foot daemon that can wipe armies and tackle primarchs without getting laughed at. It used to be that you had to be a primarch or another greater daemon to even stand a chance against one. Greater daemons should be out of a single space marine’s league, barring the best grey knights. I guess I’m just peeved by the inconsistency of the universe right now, and the new grey knights codex isn’t helping. When Castellan Crowe challenges Skulltaker to a duel, it’s outright stated to be suicidal. Even on ground consecrated with a vial of the Emperor’s crystalized tears, he can only stalemate Skulltaker, who while good, is just a bloodletter. Meanwhile, daemon princes and greater daemons are falling left and right throughout the book. On the same page, the Grey Knight supreme grand master solos daemon Mortarion and his entire bodyguard. WTF!?!? Again on the same page, some grey knight who may or may not have been a brother-captain at the time banished Ka’bandha a long time ago. Ka’bandha! Is this the same daemon who broke Sanguinus’ legs and killed 500 blood angels with a single stroke on SIgnus Prime? Grey knight or not, this guy is doing what the best of the non-daemon primarchs (according to Horus anyway) struggled to do. And compared to the blurb on Skulltaker, this was not particularly unusual, at least not enough to be considered suicidal.
“It’d be like a hypothetical immortal who had actually met Jesus meeting Mel Gibson walking around today claiming Jesus hated Jews. The immortal would be like “Well I actually met Jesus 2,000 years ago… and he was a Jew.””
Glad someone actually has knowledge about this subject. This has nothing to do with the debate at hand but it irks me when people claim Jesus was white or Jesus was black. Even the racist KKK believe in Jesus and God yet hate Jews. Makes no sense since Jesus was born of a Jewish Mother, in a province in Israel, thus in the Middle East making him Jewish. People make me so angry with their ignorance.
“@Michael50210
What, no “my little pony” Necron?”
You have now opened pony-dora’s box. All hay will be unleashed.
I hope you’re proud of yourself.
By My Little Pony Necron did you mean something like this?
tinyurl.com/6cvg8u7
“People make me so angry with their ignorance.”
You and me both, bro. It’s irritating and downright disgusting.
“By My Little Pony Necron did you mean something like this?”
……..Yeah……….uh…….
….
How the hell did we go from a loyalist version of Kharn’s probable father to Jesus Christ?
*Appears as though I am lit from on high by a pure golden light and the sounds of an angelic choir begin to play.*
Because Jesus Christ is the light of the world michael. Will you accept Jesus into your heart?
On faith.
“Merrik looked with admiration at Sergeant Tarkus. He knew that Tarkus was a
man of faith, who unlike most other Blood Ravens regarded the Emperor as a
god, and not merely as the mightiest of men. Was it Tarkus’s faith that gave him
such a dry wit, and the ability to dissolve tense situations with a few choice
words? Or was it the other way around?”
Pg.28 Dawn of War 2
“As for Sergeant Aramus, he was a Blood Raven, and like most of his battle-
brothers believed in no god. And unlike most Codex Chapters, the Blood Ravens
did not even have a primarch in whose name they fought, and whose example
they strove to follow. Since the Blood Ravens did not know from which primarch
or Chapter they originally descended, they revered no one so much as the
Immortal Emperor on Holy Terra, supreme master of all Space Marines and
mightiest of men.”
Pg.32 Dawn of War 2
Some more psyker dickery.
“The inquisitor cocked his head to get a look at Horin’s hidden face, and from nowhere, hot sparks of colour began to lick around his fingers. Stele’s eyes flashed with witch-fire. “Dance for me,” he whispered. The astropath froze, he had been granted one terrible moment to understand just what Stele’s intentions were. Then his muscles rebelled against all conscious controls and the elderly psyker’s mind-barriers shattered. Unable to stop himself, he launched at the inquisitor with clawed fingers and bared teeth. “Nuuuuhh—” Stele worked a bore of mental energy into the centre of Horin’s mind and twisted it. The astropath spat and hissed like an animal. His eyes revealed the terrified truth that he had no command over his own flesh.”
Pg.65 Deus Encarmine
More Mephiston
“Hidden servitors opened the reclusium doors and Dante turned to see the man who served as his strong right arm stride forward. The chief Librarian bowed low, the filigree of skulls on the edges of his red robes pooling around his feet. “My lord, forgive this intrusion.” Dante beckoned him to his feet. “Mephiston, old friend, no doors are ever closed to you.” The commander spoke truthfully, the Librarian’s psionic powers were formidable and if he so chose, there would be little that could bar his way within the fortress’ walls.”
Pg.101 Deus Encarmine
“Wings!” snarled Ajir. “The damned things can fly!” “They glide,” Mephiston corrected, drawing his sword. “The flesh between their limbs only slows their fall.” He aimed the force blade and blue lightning crackled around his psychic hood. The sword twitched and a pulse of ethereal energy leapt from the tip, channelled from the psyker’s blazing mind. It swept up and found a mutant, smiting it from the air. “It makes them better targets,” he concluded.”
Pg.120 Red Fury
“Dante had not been aware of Mephiston’s approach, and to admit that was to say much. In over a millennium of service to the Golden Throne, those who could enter Dante’s presence without his knowledge could be counted on the fingers of one hand—and of those, three had been killed by the Chapter Master himself. But far from being concerned by such a thing, Dante was pleased by it. If Mephiston was still a mystery to him, after so long, then to his enemies the Lord of Death would be a ghost, unknowable and lethal.”
Pg.19 Black Tide
This average marine thinks he could kill a tech-adept with a slap if he doesn’t go as lightly as he can.
“His fist unclenched and he backhanded the adept to the deck. The blow was as light as he could make it—he did not wish to kill the man—but still Beslian went stumbling down in a clatter of metal.”
Pg.52 Black Tide
“Marshalling all his pistons and aligning his rod-like limbs, Zellik coiled and then sprang at the Astartes. Close to the armoured warrior, the hulking slab of a boltgun lay on the deck. The adept’s clawed fingers grabbed at the weapon and pulled. The bolter was heavier than he expected, and the weight of it was strangely balanced. He managed to drag it up into some pretence of a firing stance, steadying it against the frame of his carbon-steel hips. Zellik could hardly hold on to it, and was already regretting his rash action, even as his spindly digits reached for the trigger. “What are you doing, priest?” Amid the rumble and the madness of the destruction, Mohl’s voice was strangely loud. His words came slow and thick; the Astartes was trying to disengage from the Archeohort’s web of controls, but it was not a process one could manage swiftly. The servo-arm snapped at him. “You will pay for this,” Zellik spluttered. “I’ll make every one of you pay!” “No—” Mohl began; but then there was a massive, thunderous detonation of noise and light, and suddenly the tech-priest was on the deck several metres away, squealing with pain, a wracking ache making his limbs twitch. Zellik’s face was wet and the sensor-tongue in his mouth cavity flicked out, sampling the warm matter dotting his face. His internal scanners told him it was blood and brain material. Wiping himself clean with an arm from his servo-harness, Zellik looked back along the quaking deck plates and found Mohl’s body lying at an angle. Where the head had been, there was now a red ruin that was part of a jawbone; nearby, the big shape of the bolter sat upended, the muzzle smoking. He heard a gurgling sound that sickened him. Zellik looked at his clawed hands, rewinding the data-spools in his skull cavity. It had happened so fast. The weapon, the trigger… He had not been aware of placing so much pressure on it. Had his body not been so greatly improved and reinforced by the works of the Magos, he would never have been able to hold the great gun, much less actually fire it; even so, the recoil of the act had caused him great pain.”
Pg.80ish Black Tide
“That’s like a good 80% of content on SW matches.”
Which is why I’ve basically stopped participating in SW related matches.
“Will you accept Jesus into your heart?”
Knowing the majority of people on this site, they would probably say “Well what are Jesus’ feats?”
Emperor is a god to some SM’s..
““You have no right to speak of Him!” Rafen could not help himself; it was impossible for the Astartes to hear his god disparaged and say nothing. No?” Bile studied him. “Unlike you, whelp, I once walked the same ground as your idol. I breathed the same air as him. And I tell you this, without lie or artifice. He never wanted to become what you have made him! He did not wish to be your god-thing. He abhorred such ideals! The slavery of your crippled, blind Imperium would sicken him, if he had eyes to see it.” He folded his arms across his barrel chest. “You may call me traitor, and be right in it, but I have never betrayed what I know to be true. I have never betrayedmyself. You, Astartes, and all your kin, betray your Emperor with every moment of your worthless lives!””
Pg.119 Black Tide