Suggested by Blood Dancer
No newbies here, all charcters here are site favorites. Rand al’Thor of the Wheel of Time novels and Richard Rahl from the Sword of Truth series team up against Alucard of Hellsing, and Dante from Devil May Cry. I’m glad to see long time rivals on the site team up for once!
Orden is not allowed. Alucard is at his end of series self. Dante has all his gear.
Ready? Set? Debate!
Dick Rahl and Dante in the same match? This’ll be funny.
Al gets a good rep, but I’ve seen the Rahl debates, so not sure.
Actually, if Dante has all his gear, and Al has schrodinger powers — would that be a stomp? That’s time freeze + unkillable without mind/severe soul fuckery powers.
@Sparks
I’ve wanted to see Mike and Chuck go at it. This time, however, I am with Chuck.
Plus, It won’t be that easy. Both Rhal and Al’thor have plenty about them to give Al and Dante a thing or two to think about.
Balefire that eradicates what it hits from reality vs The man who is Everywhere and Nowhere?
This’ll be gooooooood….
Then Chuck Norris roundhoused them.
But seriously
@ Blood Dancer
Let the madness begin.
Which incarnation of Alucard is this?
Just a scenario…
Rahl: Alucard, you do not exist.
Alucard: Yes I do.
Rahl: Do not.
Alucard: Do too.
Rahl: Do not.
Alucard: Do too
And so as Rahl and Alucard continue their argument, the other two have tea.
@Man
You are joking, right? It says, end of series at the match description, thus he has Schrodinger’s powers.
” unkillable without mind/severe soul fuckery powers.”
How about having his soul burnt out of time?
I think the main issue facing Rand and Rich is speed. I recall that Al is pretty fast and so is almost every other anime type character it seems. And guns would also add a difficulty. If Rand can react fast enough, he has a very good chance of winning.
Are the Cheodin Kal out too?
Dante can timestop/slow, does team 1 have a counter against that?
@Nemo
Is that Rand’s?
Btw wouldn’t Balefire colliding with Alucard create a Paradox? I mean, Alucard’s powers can be summed to ‘I think, therefore I am’.
@ Blood Dancer
How on earth did I not see that?
Is the animated series of Devil May Cry canon?
“How about having his soul burnt out of time?”
Word of God says that balefire down not destroy souls. I can provide proof, but it may take some time to find the link. I am pretty sure it came from a Q%A for ToM.
“I’ve wanted to see Mike and Chuck go at it.”
I was thinking the same thing. This may be pretty entertaining.
I have been wondering for a while if balefire would actually do anything to Alucard. I believe that Rand would be able to balefire Dante. But, I think that Rahl/Rand side will win due to Dante/Alucard side suffering brain damage via slamming head against wall.
“Is that Rand’s?”
The Cheodin Kal, yes. It gives Rand world shattering power.
” I mean, Alucard’s powers can be summed to ‘I think, therefore I am’.”
But balefire would have eraced him to before he was hit, so pehapse he wouldnt have time to think. Is his power like “I thought, therefore I am”?
“Dante can timestop/slow, does team 1 have a counter against that?”
Besides fast reflexes, no, unless there is some time-powers in SoT that have not been mentioned in WoT v SoT.
Speaking for Rand, if he can survive long enough to create air shields to stop guns, then he has a wide variety of options. not knowing about Dante’s durability, Rand could probably kill him with conventional weaves; lighning, fire, blades, ect. And Rand has a chance against Al if he can hit him with balefire.
But Al and Dante could probably hit Rand with their guns before he has time to react, expecially with time slowing.
“Word of God says that balefire down not destroy souls.”
Ah, yes. I get that confused with not being reincarnateable. Maybe it would destroy his body and prevent/hamper him from re-forming?
“and could probably kill him with conventional weaves; lighning, fire, blades, ect. ”
hahahahahahahhahahaha oh you’re serious.. dante has tanked and dodged lightning before fire and blades do nothing to Dante he litrerally laughs at those attacks
oh and how fast does balefire travel?? cause Dante is a lightning timer.. oh
“oh and how fast does balefire travel?? cause Dante is a lightning timer.. oh”
light speed. Only way to dodge, is to dodge preemptively. Also, I am going to need some proof on Dante being a lightning timer.
“But balefire would have eraced him to before he was hit, so pehapse he wouldnt have time to think. Is his power like “I thought, therefore I am”?”
It’s…really hard to define.
Schrodinger was a quantum anomaly who could exist more or less anywhere so long as he was aware of himself. After Alucard absorbed him, Schrodinger became lost in the sea of souls Alucard had already absorbed (Several million+) and was no longer self-aware. Therefore Schrodinger, and Alucard by extension, faded out of existence.
Then Alucard killed off every sould he absorbed except Schrodinger, and then gained Schrodingers ability to be ‘everywhere and nowhere’ and was able to come back from non-existance thanks to it.
Yeah I really can;t explain it well, you’d have to read it for yourself to get it. Basically, Alucard can come back from non-existance.
I think it was 20 years after Alucard absorbed Schrodinger that he finally returned. Word of God says that balefire cannot erase that far back, so erasing him before he obtained schrodinger is not going to happen.
“light speed. Only way to dodge, is to dodge preemptively. Also, I am going to need some proof on Dante being a lightning timer.
heres a quote from the book of dante dodging lightning
“even as Mundus hurled all manner and death at dante from innumerable arms, Swords,arrows and,lightning all clattered around the silver haired warrior as he nimbly dodged with ease ” I didn’t think this would be this easy” dante laughed”
I need proof balefire going lightspeed
Asger “Schrodinger was a quantum anomaly who could exist more or less anywhere so long as he was aware of himself. After Alucard absorbed him, Schrodinger became lost in the sea of souls Alucard had already absorbed (Several million+) and was no longer self-aware. Therefore Schrodinger, and Alucard by extension, faded out of existence.
Then Alucard killed off every sould he absorbed except Schrodinger, and then gained Schrodingers ability to be ‘everywhere and nowhere’ and was able to come back from non-existance thanks to it.”
Indeed, however a couple points
1. Alucard had to also kill schrodinger along with all the other souls
2. Because the souls are gone does Alucard get to keep their powers? At the very least, certain powers are no longer able to be used (demon dogs for instance)
3. Isnt Alucard killable, now that he no longer has a million+ souls backing him (or however many there was)
@ Earl sweatshirt
Balefire travels at the speed of light. Which if you refer to the Yoh vs Ichigo fight you’ll see lighting doesn’t travel at the speed of light.
as far as Alucard’s powers “I think, therefore I am” Rand as been in similar situations where someone tried to remove his soul from his body but rand was able to will it back. Now I know that its not the same but Rand can figure a way out of anything. plus balefire erases the present and makes it the past.
And Dante is so laid back that he won’t use his full power right away. Richard will hold him off until Rand is done with Alucard, then Rand Balefires Dante from behind.
“Only way to dodge, is to dodge preemptively. “Unless you happen to be FTL.
I mean this thing can be blocked with enough power right?
@ Chuck
That quote does not prove him being a lightning timer. He could have easily been preemptively dodging the lightning. It will take me some time to find evidence of balefire being light speed, there is a lot of writing to go through.
“Balefire travels at the speed of light. Which if you refer to the Yoh vs Ichigo fight you’ll see lighting doesn’t travel at the speed of light.”I have never seen proof of this myself and ask for it as well and this sounds like a No limits fallacy.
“I mean this thing can be blocked with enough power right?”
Besides one substance in WoT that is made stronger by any force that is used against it, in which case it is just reflected off, it erases anything that exists.
“it erases anything that exists.”The entire universe,an omnipotent,unlimited power? lolno
give. me the. definition of premptively
“The entire universe,an omnipotent,unlimited power? lolno”
Balefire works by burning threads of the pattern back in time. The pattern encompasses all realities. If something exists it is part of the pattern and has a thread, and can therefore be affected by balefire.
“give. me the. definition of premptively”
It means that he anticipates where the lightning is going to be hitting before the lightning is fired, and can dodge the aim not the lightning itself.
Quote from Book 5 in Chapter 55, showing Rand, dodging balefire preemptively by sensing Rahvin weaving balefire and dodging a moment before the balefire is released.
‘He had only a moment’s warning to throw himself flat,a hair-thin slice of time between feeling flows suddenly woven and an arm-thick bar of white light, liquid fire, slicing through the wall, ripping like a sword where his chest had been.”
As that quote shows, the only time that Rand has to dodge the attack is the time it takes Rahvin to weave balefire. The slashing comes from Rahvin diverting the trajectory of the balefire.
“Besides fast reflexes, no, unless there is some time- powers in SoT that have not been mentioned in WoT v SoT.”
Well that would be a significant disadvantage. Timeslowing+already superhuman reflexes+bullets is a lethal combination.
“And Dante is so laid back that he won’t use his full power right away.”
“Laid back” Dante normally consist of introducing a large amount ammo onto targets rapidly.
“Richard will hold him off until Rand is done with Alucard, then Rand Balefires Dante from behind.”
1. How fast is Rand?
2. Being behind Dante doesn’t make him out of sight of his gun. Dante is able to fire on two different enemies in opposite direction.
means that he anticipates where the lightning is going to be hitting before the lightning is fired, and can dodge the aim not the lightning itself.”
it wasnt stated In the book that he dodgedd lightning preemptively meaning he used his reflexes
Lightning does not move at the speed of light though. Lightning is energy not light. Its relativistic but not true light speed probably only half to 2/3 of the way there. IF balefire does move at actual lightspeed Dante would not be able to dodge it.
I never said Dante could dodge balefire I just said he’s a lightning timer… so what if bale fire travels at the speed oflight if the user doesnt have the reaction even keep up with Dante he will miss every time and with alastor he moves at lightning speed
“Balefire works by burning threads of the pattern back in time. “WTF does that even mean? It isn’t going to be killing somethign like Solaris.
“IF balefire does move at actual lightspeed Dante would not be able to dodge it.”The person in question firing better have good reaction time
I recall reading somewhere on this site that Rand could also expand the beam…I think it was on Rahl vs Al’thor. Not sure about that though. That it was Lightspeed…well, I kinda thought. Which raises the question. Why did no-one throw that at Mike?
“I recall reading somewhere on this site that Rand could also expand the beam…I think it was on Rahl vs Al’thor. Not sure about that though. That it was Lightspeed…well, I kinda thought. Which raises the question. Why did no-one throw that at Mike?”
We did.
“I never said Dante could dodge balefire I just said he’s a lightning timer… so what if bale fire travels at the speed oflight if the user doesnt have the reaction even keep up with Dante he will miss every time and with alastor he moves at lightning speed”
Wait a sec, first you said that he was a lightning timer, now you say that he is lightning speed too? You are going to have to provide evidence of him traveling as fast as lightning.
“WTF does that even mean? It isn’t going to be killing somethign like Solaris.”
Like I said according to WoT canon, the pattern encompasses all realities. That means that if anything exists then it has a thread in the pattern, and can be affected by balefire. There are things, like cuendillar, that are immune to the effects of balefire due to their own properties.
“You are going to have to provide evidence of him traveling as fast as lightning.”HE can be lightning speed with Alastor.
“the pattern encompasses all realities”It only works because of FP’s rules because clearly it does not. You have to give it’s best erasing feat and that shall be the best it can do.
Dante is a lightining timer but with alastor he Can move at lightning speeds and. with quicksilver also
What ever balefire hits no longer exists. Depending on the amount of power it is given depends on how far back that person doesn’t exist. for instances if dante shot rand and then rand hit dante with balefire dante would no longer exist now and in the past (power depends on time) therefore rand would no longer be shot, because it was like dante was already dead before he shot him. And the more power he puts into the balefire the larger the beam gets. And if Rand has the choedan kal he can make a beam so large as to erase the world.
Also rand can stop bullets. All he needs to do is make the air in front of him so thick as to appear to be cement. Plus he as a shield that nothing except balefire can penetrate, also he can make dante’s insides explode, or his trigger finger not move…
Rand controls the elements that make up the world, and he can make them do what ever he wants.
Also for the amount of power Dante has, “Dante normally consist of introducing a large amount ammo onto targets rapidly.” I call that lied back.
“It only works because of FP’s rules because clearly it does not. You have to give it’s best erasing feat and that shall be the best it can do.”
Yes, it does. By WoT canon, ALL realities are part of the Great Pattern. Everything in the Great Pattern has a thread, balefire works by burning threads backwards in the pattern. In effect this makes things hit by balefire stop existing before balefire hits it. The more powerful the balefire the further back in time this effect goes. By the way balefire works, it erases anything it hits, except for things, such as cuendillar, that have specific properties preventing this.
Dante could win. this by speedblitzing
“By WoT canon, ALL realities are part of the Great Pattern.”To bad they are not you cannot really debate that.All realities in WoT are apart of the pattern nothing else.
Would be like claiming the one above all has more power than everythign in existence in all realities.
“To bad they are not you cannot really debate that.All realities in WoT are apart of the pattern nothing else.”
You seem to be misinterpreting what I am saying. By all realities, I mean all universes and fictions. There are waystones in WoT that allow travel between different realities. In the books these realities are explained as all possible realities. Each and every choice that is made is split into different realities. On another thread, Rand vs Richard I think, evidence was shown that it includes all fictions and even the real world. I am not saying that it is actually true, but by the canon of WoT it is.
“but by the canon of WoT it is.”Because he’s going to a reality filled with only data ehem sure. It can’t effect all realities. I will now contradict you canon with something rather simple. There exists a reality with no pattern or threads. and because of this there can be other realities that don’t have these things as well. These are realities WoT cannot ever reach. For Example Marvel,DBZ,etc.
There, canon broken.
Moving on this only works because of FP rules.
“and blades”
I’m siding with you on this one, Chuck, but really? BLADES don’t affect Dante? Explain Yamato, then. explain why he bled when his own Rebellion on multiple occasions pierced him and when he was satabbed countless times with Yamato. Explain when he was pierced by Abigail multiple times and bled QUITE profusely. Sure he LOLWTFISTHATALLYOUGOTZ’d Abigail’s attack, but it made him bleed. PROFUSELY. It affected him. Plus, how long was he out when sid pierced him with Rebellion?
i’m going to have to see dante’s speed feats proving he is as fast as claimed. dodging someone “hurling” lightning at you in no way proves you have lightning reflexes. if there wasn’t a sentient being “hurling” the lightning at him then it would be, but since someone is aiming it…….preemptive dodging is a possiblility, thus not provable.
-rand/rahl side does have one “time” thing but i’m not sure if it will help(just acute perception where things must move 5million+ to seem normal speed, and some spells are cast with thought only so….). how slow can dante make time and how large is the effect.
-rand/rahl won’t have to worry about bullets though. richard while fighting 3 people at once individually stopped arrows in a volley that “would have been fatal a few dozen times over” with mini air shields of some kind.
-if dante wants to sword fight, he’ll soon find out that the sword of truth cuts through anything. for the speed and strength part of a sword fight, i’ll need proof of what dante can do before i bring up richard’s stuff.
-the actual “how” this comes about is up for grabs, but subtractive magic hitting alucard would remove him from this fight, even with all of his powers since he would be trapped in the underworld(no teleporting out because of preventative universal forces able to hold the equivalent of satan).
Dante using quicksilver
www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=ItTtRm6sZks
“ce someone is aiming it…….preemptive dodging is a possiblility, thus”
makes no sense
How fast are Rand and Rahl? Both guys on team 2 are at least supersonic, which makes this an uphill battle unless someone on team 1 is extremely superhuman too.
Also, do they actually have anything that can kill Alucard? If he can come back from nonexistence I doubt balefire would work… The underworld thing is also a bit questionable since Al is potentially omnipresent.
Dante is hyperspeed
It always comes back to balefire and sub. magic, doesn’t it?
Anyway, those in support of Dante and Alucard, prepare to feel the wrath of Mike.
Now, this is speculation, and not meant to be taken too seriously, but Rand wields the One Power, which drives time forward, so would that effect the time stop…?
The One Power also holds the Dark One in a prison outside of the universes, and the Dark One wants to destroy the multiverse. This might relate to Alucard… somehow. Just another bit of speculation.
I also don’t really see bullets as a problem, as while Richard and Rand may not know what a gun is, they’ll know it looks like a weapon (enemies pointing it at them, etc.). Rand can make a shield to keep anything out short of balefire, and Richard made the aforementioned air shields.
don’t get your panties in a bunch aelfinn. i don’t believe rand/richard can win this, but i am willing to put up the information for others to determine that outcome for rand/richard. this is obviously and admitedly an attempt to be an asshole by blood dancer. fine by me.
Tough match on both sides, but Rand was one of the most powerful channelers that ever existed before he had any experience or training whatsoever, he can summon fire and lightning, which is hard for anyone to counter then there’s balefire, which would pretty much obliterate anything it touched, so I’ll give this match to Richard and Rand
“There exists a reality with no pattern or threads. and because of this there can be other realities that don’t have these things as well. These are realities WoT cannot ever reach. For Example Marvel,DBZ,etc.”
According to their canon they are not part of WoT, but according to WoT canon they are. Since those universes aren’t in this fight, it doesn’t really matter.
“Moving on this only works because of FP rules.”
By FP rules balefire works like it does in it’s universe, meaning that it erases everything from existence to a point in the past based on how powerful the balefire that was used is. What did your argument prove about this fight?
“Also rand can stop bullets. All he needs to do is make the air in front of him so thick as to appear to be cement.”
“I also don’t really see bullets as a problem, as while Richard and Rand may not know what a gun is, they’ll know it looks like a weapon (enemies pointing it at them, etc.).”
Dante has the reflexes to shoot bullets out of the air, if Rand doesn’t have anything to match that speed by the time he realizes the gun is pointed at him the bullet would already be in flight.
accuracy&speed
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=aQrdL5wMIHE
Even when traveling at high-speed he is able to hit his target. So he should be capable of moving to remain out of Rand’s line of sight while drowning him in bullets.
How long can Rand and Richard hold up their shields? Also the thing Richard where things slow around him, is his whole body sped up or just his preception and how long does it last?
“Dante is hyperspeed”
Proof, please. If you bring up the Wiki, I will laugh.
Now, in your defense, I could see him speedblitzing (MAYBE; have NO knowledge of the other team, but I’ll agree for now). Also, nice job bringing up the Quicksilver video. Seriously.
“It always comes back to balefire and sub. magic, doesn’t it?”
Yes it does. I would say that being hit by balefire, or being put onto the underworld would seriously inconvinience Alucard, maybe enough to consder him out of the fight.
With Dante and Al’s speed, this is a stomp for them. Without it, Dante, unless he can avoid having his organs ruptured, and the ground exploding, and lightning, and the air solidifying, at the same time would die quickly, then it woudl come down to what happens to Al if he is hit by sub magic and balefire.
“Rand can make a shield to keep anything out short of balefire, and Richard made the aforementioned air shields.”
Does Rand or Richard even have the reactions that’ll let them pull up a shield fast enough to avoid a firearm assault by Dante and Alucard?
“since Al is potentially omnipresent.”
No, Alucard is not even close to omnipresent as Schrodinger never showed that ability or at least much feats to quantify it as omnipresent. Alucard controls his local reality and can will himself to where he wants, even others’ minds as Schrodinger showed in the fight with Zorin Blitz, but he’s not omnipresent. More like perfectly immortal to anything short of mind/soul fuckery.
“how slow can dante make time and how large is the effect.”
It doesn’t have a quantified space so not sure.
“-if dante wants to sword fight, he’ll soon find out that the sword of truth cuts through anything”
No limits fallacy…?
“no teleporting out because of preventative universal forces able to hold the equivalent of satan”
Any feats for this ‘Satan’ that show him to be powerful enough?
“Also rand can stop bullets. All he needs to do is make the air in front of him so thick as to appear to be cement.”
Once again, aside from preemptively, does he have the reactions necessary for doing so? Also, Alucard’s Jackal fires a 13mm explosive round and with all his equipment, Dante is in possession of a suitcase that turns into a missile launcher so those maybe strong enough to penetrate the shield.
“Plus he as a shield that nothing except balefire can penetrate”
Proof or no limits fallacy?
“for instances if dante shot rand and”
Whose to say Rand’ll survive being shot in the first place without proof?
“i’ll need proof of what dante can do before i bring up richard’s stuff.”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=P20NR6cf4-0&feature=related
Proof of Dante’s strength.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=led2jJyATHg
Dante’s reactions are lightning timer range.
“Dante has the reflexes to shoot bullets out of the air, if Rand doesn’t have anything to match that speed by the time he realizes the gun is pointed at him the bullet would already be in flight.”
Rand can put up shield almost instantly, he is not physicaly faster than normal, but has extreem reflexes.
“How long can Rand and Richard hold up their shields?”
Rand can hold a shield indefinatly unless it’s weaves are disrupted. I dont know about Richard.
“With Dante and Al’s speed, this is a stomp for them. Without it, Dante, unless he can avoid having his organs ruptured, and the ground exploding, and lightning, and the air solidifying, at the same time would die quickly, then it woudl come down to what happens to Al if he is hit by sub magic and balefire.”
I think Dante’s healing maybe be able to prevent his organs being ruptured being an inconvenience to him as he has been impaled through his chest in every DMC game except Devil May Cry 2. The air solidfying could be a problem for him… Not for Alucard though as he’s undead and thus wouldn’t require air but I may need some confirmation on this.
“Rand can put up shield almost instantly, he is not physicaly faster than normal, but has extreem reflexes.”
Any quantification for these reflexes that put him within the bullet time range at least?
“Rand can hold a shield indefinatly unless it’s weaves are disrupted. I dont know about Richard.”
Do they prevent others from getting inside them? If not, Alucard can always teleport inside it and blast him in the head with one of his guns or stab his forearm through him.
@post 57
dante hit Mach 5+ running. down. the tower
air shields?? e&i bullets tear through anti tank. rounds
*Passes the Popcorn*
A containment match.
This is going to be fun to watch, indeed.
I wonder if Balefire can contain Alucard as he is, here.
In regards to Dante’s speed, Rand could wrap him in air at the beginning of the fight, immediately, or is Dante immune to that, too? If Alucard is everywhere, but nowhere, I really don’t see him being taken down except MAYBE sub. magic and MAYBE balefire, so the air-wrapping isn’t going to work there, or much else.
Funny coincidence, before this fight even happened, i thought these were the two people who could give Rand some trouble besides Dr. Manhatten and the Silver Surfer.
“Proof or no limits fallacy?”
It says so in the books, but it does not let air in so its short term only.
“does he have the reactions necessary for doing so?”
Most likely not.
“or is Dante immune to that, too?”
Suffocation by solidified air? Hmm, I don’t think so as he was never really in a situation where he encountered this kind of threat.
“Most likely not.”
Then it’s a moot point.
Can anyone explain Balefire for me? I only hear that it removes someone from existence but then others that says it transfers them from one point in time to another. If it’s the first then it’s not going to be effective at all against Alucard. If it’s the second, I’m unsure as Alucard has never demonstrated any time traveling abilities.
“Rand some trouble besides Dr. Manhatten and the Silver Surfer.”
I don’t think Manhatten would be too bad for Rand if he lacks the lightspeed reaction(?) required to avoid Balefire but Silver Surfer would stomp him definitely…..and brutally at that.
“Can anyone explain Balefire for me? I only hear that it removes someone from existence but then others that says it transfers them from one point in time to another. If it’s the first then it’s not going to be effective at all against Alucard. If it’s the second, I’m unsure as Alucard has never demonstrated any time traveling abilities. ”
Balefire erases objects that it comes into contact with at a certain time in the past. The more powerful the balefire used, the further back in time the balefire erases to.
guess it’s at least worth while to show what dante and alucard can’t do, before they probably win….
“Dante has the reflexes to shoot bullets out of the air, if Rand doesn’t have anything to match that speed by the time he realizes the gun is pointed at him the bullet would already be in flight.”
-well if rand is close to richard(only know of a few feet being possible) richard has shown that with his sped up perception of time that he can cast air shields to protect others…..
“”Richard paused. His head came up. Nadine was behind him. He had the oddest sensation.
The hair on the back of his neck stiffened.
The world slowed. Sound dragged. He floated as he moved. The air felt as thick as mud. Everyone seemed a statue in his vision.
Time was his.
His arm stretched out as he drifted ahead. He commanded the thickness of the air. In the eerie silence, he could hear the feathers singing. He could hear the hiss of blade.
Time was his.
Nading’s startled blink took forever.
He closed his fist.
With a slam of sound, the world crashed back with a wild rush.
In his fist, richard held a bolt from a crossbow.
The blade wasn’t three inches from nadine’s wide eyes.
A fraction of a second more and it would have killed her.
That fraction of a second had been an hour to him.” page 595 temple of the winds
“How long can Rand and Richard hold up their shields?”
-rand’s get tied off for potentially forever(thousands of years some have in the books when done this way), richard’s shield(for the most part) he has shown to do are only momentary, basically to block what’s coming at him then gone.
“Also the thing Richard where things slow around him, is his whole body sped up or just his preception and how long does it last?”
-it’s just his perception of time that is altered. he has speed feats like running as fast as a horse and a 180degree spin going thorugh the whole motion of pulling an arrow out of a quiver on his back……and firing it in a very small fraction of a second……not enough to keep up with these guys physically though. strength…..
“Drefan bellowed in rage as teh sword started down.
Richard dropped to his left knee, though the opening, using his forward momentum and a twist of his torso to add force to his strike. Fingers straight and stiff, he drove his arm ahead with all his might.
Before the sword could touch him, Richard struck like lightning, driving his hand through drefan’s soft middle. In the blink of an eye, he had seized Drefan’s spinal column and yanked it back out, ripping it appart.” page 777-778 temple of the winds soft cover.
…………
for the measurement of how strong richard’s finger thrust was, i measured my fingertips squished flat to the nail(how it would happen when hitting something), and got 3square inches(4 fingers .75inch squared each).
“Where the skin and eyes are protected and there is no potential for deadheading the source against the skin, the pressure required for pneumatic jet injuries to healthy unbroken skin is over 600 psi. Pneumatic sources directed at eyes or ears can cause injuries at significantly lower pressures depending on the proximity and diameter of the jet.
Hydraulic energy is liquid under pressure.The pressure of a hydraulic jet required to break intact healthy skin is over 600 psi.” www.pnl.gov/contracts/esh-procedures/forms/sp00e350.doc this actually saves as a document, i couldn’t go to the page. but you get it if you look up on google “psi to break skin” and it’s the fifth one down. that should be reliable since it’s a .gov and contract based; it shows that richard did over 2400psi with the tips of his fingers.
-here’s the arrow quote……
“He looked over with a grave expression. ‘We were shooting. Chandalen was angry, because of the shots Richard was making. He said Richard was a demon and went off and stood in the tall grass by himself. The rest of us were standing off to the other side, watching Richard shoot. The things he was doing did not seem possible. He nocked an arrow. Suddenly, he spun around toward Chandalen. Before we could even shout, Richard shot an arrow at Chandalen as he stood there with his arms folded. He had no weapon in his hand.
None of us could believe Richard would do this.
‘As the arrow was still flying toward Chandalen, two of his men, who had arrows nocked, drew their bows.
The first one shot a ten-step arrow at Richard before his own arrow even reached Chandalen.’
Kahlan was incredulous. ‘He shot at Richard, and missed? Chandalen’s men don’t miss.’
Savidlin’s voice was low, and trembled slightly. ‘He would not have missed. But Richard spun, pulling his last arrow from his quiver, a bladed arrow, and shot. I have never seen anyone do such a thing so fast.’ He hesitated, as if he didn’t think she would believe him. ‘Richard’s bladed arrow met the other in the air and split it in half. Each half went to one side of Richard.’
Kahlan halted Savidlin with a hand on his arm. ‘Richard hit the other arrow while it was in the air?’
He nodded slowly. ‘And then the other man shot. Richard had no more arrows. He stood, his bow in one hand, and waited. It too was a ten-step arrow. I could hear it ripping the air.’
Savidlin looked around, as if not wanting anyone else to hear. ‘Richard snatched it right out of the air with his hand. He had his fist around its middle. He put the man’s arrow in his own bow and drew it on Chandalen’s men. He was yelling at them. We couldn’t understand his words, but they dropped their bows on the ground and put their arms out to the sides, to show him their empty hands. We all thought Richard With The Temper had become crazy. We thought he might kill us all. ”
-that quicksilver video was kind of confusing…..that’s his time stop move? why did the rocks bounce when he touched them? for show?
“Does Rand or Richard even have the reactions that’ll let them pull up a shield fast enough to avoid a firearm assault by Dante and Alucard?”
-richard has the perception speed, and uses only thought to do his air shield and has shown he can protect another person with it, so bullets shouldn’t be a problem.
“It doesn’t have a quantified space so not sure. ”
-i suppose that’s not all that important though, since these guys aren’t fighting from miles away or anything.
“No limits fallacy…?”
-it’s said to cut through anything and there hasn’t been a magic that could stop it in the series also. if it puts it into perspective a little, the sword of truth is made with the same magic that the boxes of orden are, in fact it needs to be combined with orden for orden to work. here’s something on it though.
“Richard slid the sword back into its scabbard. “All right, what’s going on.”
Zedd lifted his eyebrows with an innocent expression. “Did you see how easily Kahlan cut through the bigger tree?” Richard frowned. Zedd smiled. “It could just as well have been iron. The blade would have cut through it the same. ”
-tree was a 20 odd year old maple…..
“The blade flashed through the autumn air with speed and power Richard could scarcely believe.
The arc of its sweep went through the larger tree with a loud crack, like a thousand twigs snapping at once. Splinters flew everywhere. The tree seemed to hang in the air a moment, then dropped down next to the ragged stump before toppling over with a crash. Richard knew it would have taken him at least ten blows with a good axe to have felled the maple.”
-the sword has also cut down demons, shadow things from the underworld, magical shields, all with no felt resistance on any of it.
“Any feats for this ‘Satan’ that show him to be powerful enough?”
-grant immortality(sisters of the dark, darken rahl, richard rahl were all promised this), grant magic powers(sisters of the dark/darken rahl), immortal himself/herself, command over all hellish creatures, kill everyone instantly, combine world of dead and world of life, speaking his name will draw his attention…..sounds funny, but you know what i mean. probably some more, but that’s all i can remember/find right now. if you want i’ll quote them, but just this for now and to save space.
-there are also different kinds of protective measures to keep things in the underworld. first there’s the veil. well 2 veils technically, since there is one specifically for each person, then there is the main one that keeps the world of the dead separate from the world of life. the main veil has part of it made up by something called the stone of tears which was made by sot’s “god” called the Creator, who made everything. then there’s also the skrin. in the world of life they take the form of a physical beast as big as a house, in the underworld they are just a force that pulls souls in/back, sort of like guardians of the veil. they need this since there are ways to summon spirits in sot, and the skrin always pull them back. they are described as the underworld’s gravity of sorts. they are also immortal and cannot die(by things in sot universe) and are not actually alive either……..i’m making this too long….time to cut this post short.
“Rand can put up shield almost instantly, he is not physicaly faster than normal, but has extreem reflexes.”
o rly?? Dante can fire hundreds of bullets per second bro and give me some durability feats of the air shields
“Can anyone explain Balefire for me?”
When boiled down to its simplest (stripping away all the metaphysical crap like threads and the Great Patern and all that), Balefire unmakes whatever it touches from existence, but backwards in time. For a simple example, in one book the Forsaken Rahvin kills a number of main characters. Shortly thereafter Rand Balefires the shit out of him, and he is erased far enough back in time that his murdering of the aforementioned main characters never took place (as he was removed from existence at the time). Said main characters promptly come back to life (or rather, never actually die in the first place).
During the war that led to the Breaking of the World, Balefire was being thrown around that was powerful enough to wipe entire cities off the map. Rand himself has demonstrated the ability to fire a stream of Balefire large enough to engulf an entire castle/manor/whatever. With the Choedan Kal at the end of The Gathering Storm he seriously considers (and believes he has sufficient power to) Balefire the entire planet.
“During the war that led to the Breaking of the World, Balefire was being thrown around that was powerful enough to wipe entire cities off the map.”
Just a bit of correction on your WoT history, the actual balefire weave was not wiping the cities off the map. It was the weakening of the pattern from the widespread use of balefire that wiped cities off of the map.
@Mike
There’s a large difference between a crossbow bolt that Richard caught and rounds being fired at a machine gun like rate that Dante can do just fine with his dual pistols. Take into account his actual SMGs, rocket launchers, laser guns and Alucard’s heavy hitting 13mm explosive rounds and Rich will have a tough time defending against them without a time stop or time slow or fast enough reflexes in the supersonic range of reactions.
“-that quicksilver video was kind of confusing…..that’s his time stop move? why did the rocks bounce when he touched them? for show?”
Quicksilver is actually a time slow move which accelerates Dante and slows down the target of his time slow. The Bangle of Time is what stops time.
As for the Sword of Truth, if it can cut through anything, Richard still lacks the hypersonic reactions to properly react to Dante in order to defend himself. Combine that with Dante’s massive strength, one blow would kill Richard at least a few times over.
Unless of course Richard has some pretty impressive durability feats that can allow him to survive blows like that?
@Zazax
So to my understanding, Balefire destroys it’s target in the past when it hits? If that’s so, I’m thinking that Dante and even Alucard would be in for some major trouble if it was to hit them as it’d obliterate them both in the past and that could on Alucard as it could destroy him before he gained his powers. Am I correct on how Balefire works or am I missing something still?
Take into account though the reactions/perception Rand would have to have in order to pull the move off against two characters well within and beyond bullet timer range. Being that Alucard and Dante have their quicker, heightened perceptions, they should be able to fire on Rand before he could pull it off or skewer him.
@SS
You are correct in your understanding, but since Alucard gained his Schrodinger 20 years ago, I believe, balefire would not be able to erase back that far. Word of God states that a day or two is the furthest back balefire can erase. Not to mention that the damage to the pattern from removing somthing from 20 years would cause. Although with Alucard, since he really didn’t do much in those 20 years the damage would actually be very minimal.
meant to say Schrodinger powers, not just Schrodinger.
@Krazy
Huh. Here I was thinking that it can erase anyone at any given point in time. Well without it, Alucard’s basically balefire proof for the most part whereas Dante’s vulnerable to it. Unless Rand has the reaction to perceive Dante though, he should be pretty safe from it.
“Am I correct on how Balefire works or am I missing something still? ”
No, you pretty much have it. The power put behind the Balefire determines how far back in time the target is erased, and Rand is the most powerful spellcaster in his world, if that makes any difference.
“Take into account though the reactions/perception Rand would have to have in order to pull the move off against two characters well within and beyond bullet timer range.”
Oh, I know. I wasn’t calling the match one way or the other, I was just providing information and examples. I know far too little about Team 2 to do otherwise in this match.
so, if balefire can only go that far back wouldnt it be ineffective?
@ss
Against Alucard it could very likely be ineffective. But it would work on Dante, which is what I said in post #13.
“Orden is not allowed. Alucard is at his end of series self. Dante has all his gear.”
Uh….huh.
“That’s time freeze + unkillable without mind/severe soul fuckery powers.”
I’m expecting the whole “BUT 5 bajillion times perception defeats this!” for an argument. In 3…2….
“Plus, It won’t be that easy. Both Rhal and Al’thor have plenty about them to give Al and Dante a thing or two to think about.”
Yes.
“Balefire that eradicates what it hits from reality vs The man who is Everywhere and Nowhere?
This’ll be gooooooood….”
THEORETICALLY Balefire could defeat him. Assuming enough power could be pumped into it to reach back to erase Alucard from BEFORE he got the cat-boy powers… That’s purely theoretical with no proof so far that Rand can power a Balefire strong enough to do it. Nevermind any possibility of Alucard’s quantum powers actually having…quantum properties.
It’d make a hell of a lot more sense than “ROFL SENDS HIM TO HELL BUT IT’S ACTUALLY NON-EXISTENCE!”.
“the other two have tea.”
Rand drinking tea with Dante eating Pizza.
“I recall that Al is pretty fast and so is almost every other anime type character it seems.”
Supersonic in base form with the ability to just be anywhere he wants (teleportation but not technically).
““I’ve wanted to see Mike and Chuck go at it.”
I was thinking the same thing. This may be pretty entertaining.”
You forgot to include Ladidala.
“light speed. ”
It was fast but I don’t remember it being literally the speed of light.
“Basically, Alucard can come back from non-existance.”
According to canon? yes. According to Mike? No.
“1. Alucard had to also kill schrodinger along with all the other souls”
Proof.
“2. Because the souls are gone does Alucard get to keep their powers? At the very least, certain powers are no longer able to be used (demon dogs for instance)”
Proof again.
“3. Isnt Alucard killable, now that he no longer has a million+ souls backing him (or however many there was)”
That’s hard to say. Even in his final release with no souls to “recharge” from he still showed the inability to die with wounds that should’ve killed a vampire from that universe.
“I mean this thing can be blocked with enough power right?”
Just a little bit more than that. Only specific substances have been shown to resist it.
“Lightning is energy not light.”
Lightning is super charged matter. Light is energy. Energy can move at the speed of light.
“Why did no-one throw that at Mike?”
We did.”
BUT TEH LIGHTNING OF SUBTRACTION BEATS IT!!!
“HE can be lightning speed with Alastor.”
Not proven to not be hyperbole.
“o bad they are not you cannot really debate that.All realities in WoT are apart of the pattern nothing else.
Would be like claiming the one above all has more power than everythign in existence in all realities.”
Regardless, powers work the way they would in their home universe.
“just acute perception where things must move 5million+ to seem normal speed, ”
Perception only helps so much. Especially if you don’t physically have the speed needed to deal with the incoming attack. Hrrmm…did no one think of this?
“he’ll soon find out that the sword of truth cuts through anything”
No limits fallacy.
“for the speed and strength part of a sword fight, i’ll need proof of what dante can do before i bring up richard’s stuff.”
I don’t feel like gathering up videos from prior debates. Regardless, Dante is at least super sonic with leanings towards the hyper sonic range (unless you believe the lightning-speed thing). Class 100+Strength (as in capable of lifting 100+ tons), near-instance regeneration, various magical weapons, some other abilities, blah blah blah.
Nevermind his ability to freeze/slow time.
“It always comes back to balefire and sub. magic, doesn’t it?”
It’s their (assumably) strongest attacks. Why not?
“Anyway, those in support of Dante and Alucard, prepare to feel the wrath of Mike.”
Yeah…I’ve met his ‘wrath’. It’s a good load of horse shit of disregarding canon and downplaying the opposition while wanking his own side.
“. i don’t believe rand/richard can win this,”
Mike just said…this? I’m astonished.
I think I probably owe someone money after this.
“. this is obviously and admitedly an attempt to be an asshole by blood dancer. fine by me.”
Not that I condone matches such as this (despite posting one myself) it still has to be takent o fruition.
“Yes it does. I would say that being hit by balefire, or being put onto the underworld would seriously inconvinience Alucard, maybe enough to consder him out of the fight.”
But nothing definitive either way.
“Rand could wrap him in air at the beginning of the fight, immediately, or is Dante immune to that, too?”
Can he make barriers strong enough to contain something that conveniently and (nearly effortlessly) shrugged off 100+ tons…?
“i thought these were the two people who could give Rand some trouble besides Dr. Manhatten and the Silver Surfer.”
That list is much bigger than you imagine.
“before they probably win….”
Won’t ben an award anyway. Anyway, you can’t let anything go, can you?
“richard has shown that with his sped up perception of time that he can cast air shields to protect others…..”
Exactly how strong are these air shields…? ’cause Dante’s pistol shots have matched/surpassed tank shots.
“-that quicksilver video was kind of confusing…..that’s his time stop move? why did the rocks bounce when he touched them? for show?”
That’s his “Time-slow” move. He has both that and an item that causes a time-stop.
““Richard slid the sword back into its scabbard. “All right, what’s going on.”
Zedd lifted his eyebrows with an innocent expression. “Did you see how easily Kahlan cut through the bigger tree?” Richard frowned. Zedd smiled. “It could just as well have been iron. The blade would have cut through it the same. ”
-tree was a 20 odd year old maple…..”
Still no limits fallacy.
“o rly?? Dante can fire hundreds of bullets per second bro and give me some durability feats of the air shields”
-can i see the hundreds per second? well durrability of the shields that richard uses and that he can protect rand with are very strong. it actually isn’t a “spell” as you would normally think. it’s just levels of manipulation of reality. they use a thinner version of air manipulation(they say razor thin) that when flung out goes through hundreds of fully armored people.
“There’s a large difference between a crossbow bolt that Richard caught and rounds being fired at a machine gun like rate that Dante can do just fine with his dual pistols.”
-that sort of attack would fall under the few dozen arrows individually from one volley blocked. that and showing already that he can make these shields while in that state of acute time perception would allow him to see the almost not moving bullets coming at him in the first place.
“and Rich will have a tough time defending against them without a time stop or time slow or fast enough reflexes in the supersonic range of reactions.”
-he has the mental perception reaction time, and is able to put up defenses while in this state of mind. so that should stop the bullet threat for him and rand.
“As for the Sword of Truth, if it can cut through anything, Richard still lacks the hypersonic reactions to properly react to Dante in order to defend himself. Combine that with Dante’s massive strength, one blow would kill Richard at least a few times over.”
-physically yes he lacks the reaction time, that’s why i am sticking with showing how he can defend himself against some of these attacks with his thought only spells and during his acute perception of time mind state. there are a couple of ways he could potentially stop dante from physically hitting him. the air shields, and this other thought only spell…….(you’ll have to let me know dante’s durrability limits, but i’m guessing this will at least hurt some, and minimum move him back from being an immediate physical threat).
“They made their move to stop him. Richard marched on. He wanted them out of his way. The power came by instinct, without conscious effort. He felt the concussion. In his peripheral vision he saw blood hit the white marble.
Without missing a stride, he emerged from the ball of flame in a gaping hole twice the size the doorway had been. Huge chunks of stone hurtled through the air, trailing smoke. Debris rained down about him. One of the doors spiraled across the floor of the council chamber along with ragged pieces of armor and shattered weapons.” page 959 stone of tears.
-still think eventually rand/richard would be taken out, but they can defend fairly well against some of dante/alucard’s attacks.
-so i guess, what’s the durrability of dante?
@cide
-wow, you should read the posts before assuming people’s stances.
“According to canon? yes. According to Mike? No.”
-actually according to cannon no. they said he was non existent, but then said he existed in imaginary #s, and also he stated himself that he had to kill the other souls to become self aware again…….that means he admitted to existing, because if you don’t exist, then you can’t do anything. unless their deffinition of existing is not the same as in real life….went through all of this in alucard vs richard rahl.
“BUT TEH LIGHTNING OF SUBTRACTION BEATS IT!!!”
-so…is ignorance bliss?
“Perception only helps so much. Especially if you don’t physically have the speed needed to deal with the incoming attack. Hrrmm…did no one think of this?”
-like i said, read posts before you try to diss on anyone and see what is being claimed and how it is possible…..
“Yeah…I’ve met his ‘wrath’. It’s a good load of horse shit of disregarding canon and downplaying the opposition while wanking his own side.”
-and i’ve on many occasions challenged anyone to point out these things so i can prove you wrong….
“Won’t ben an award anyway. Anyway, you can’t let anything go, can you?”
-nothing’s being held. i hope you guys who diss on me actually realize that it is you who brings this crap up all the time and have not done anything but use superior #s of people to say i am this way, instead of showing proof of any of it.
“You forgot to include Ladidala.”
Croft, Natla & Buffy vs Dante, Liu Kang & Spiderman vs Richard Rahl, Darken Rahl & Kahlan?
Biggest thread on the site anybody?
“e shields that richard uses and that he can protect rand with are very strong”
Very strong is very vague. Excerpts of it’s defensive power?
As for Richard’s mental perception of time, wouldn’t that require a train of thought within the supersonic/hypersonic range to track his two foes? I recall back in Spawn vs Bayonetta, someone mentioned that the reason Spawn was able to pull off his time stop quicker because his thinking was lightspeed/FTL vs Bayonetta’s super/hypersonic. Wouldn’t the same physics apply here in the perception of bullets vs crossbow bolts?
“you’ll have to let me know dante’s durrability limits”
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrs_Giu6iAQ&feature=related
Punched by massive demon.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wYFp3f-A7M
@3:37 Dante is impaled.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAOq6nW1_Cs&feature=related
@0:30 Shot in the head.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW6MSg4bjh0&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
@1:16 Impaled with multiple sharp objects created from demonic energy.
“-still think eventually rand/richard would be taken out, but they can defend fairly well against some of dante/alucard’s attacks.”
Yup.
I would respectfully like to say this to the Dante Allucard “LULZ TEH SPEDEBLITZ An TIME STOP WIN! PWND” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA…not exactly. May I first point out this particular view.
“There’s a large difference between a crossbow bolt that Richard caught and rounds being fired at a machine gun like rate that Dante can do just fine with his dual pistols.”
Has it been stated that Dante’s pistols have been mechanically altered in any way that should allow them to defy reality? It doesn’t matter how fast you pull the trigger it still comes down to the mechanism. Not saying game designers etc. can’t be retarded at times. (My constant references about Bungie for example).
Second, everyone istantly says that someone proven to be able to move at lightning/bullet/whatever you want to say it reflexes is somewhat of a fallacy. In order to live life you have to drop out of these states of augmented speeds and therefore have to drop back into them/realize that something’s being thrown at you before you can react. Dante may not be able to dodge balefire if it’s thrown right off the bat and won’t even know something’s happening till his brains are splatted across the pavement if Rand decides to turn his insides outside.(Possible, in The Shadow Rising a member of the Black Ajah was able to stop and reverse blood flow, In the next book Rand’s heart is stopped and his lungs are disabled. And finally it is mentioned that Semirhage one of the forsaken can do a large number of other things.)
Finally, I would like to point out that Rand now has 300+ years of experience with magic and if he wanted to could send Dante and/or Alucard(though it’s not exactly effective on him) into some random plane of Oblivion with an insta-portal to nowhere.Unless Dante can fly he won’t be able to do shit about not falling into a twenty foot wide hole under his feet.
So has magic of either Rand or Rahl ever been blocked or redirected
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzydMLP4Fjw&feature=related
1:33-1:38
“Has it been stated that Dante’s pistols have been mechanically altered in any way that should allow them to defy reality? It doesn’t matter how fast you pull the trigger it still comes down to the mechanism.”
Last I checked the were pistols custom made by Dante.
“Dante may not be able to dodge balefire if it’s thrown right off the bat and won’t even know something’s happening till his brains are splatted across the pavement if Rand decides to turn his insides outside.”
Same is true of Dante using quicksilver and shooting him before he can react. What’s the process of doing this and would it work on someone who regenrates as fast as Dante does.
“Unless Dante can fly he won’t be able to do shit about not falling into a twenty foot wide hole under his feet.”
Dante can in fly in devil trigger mode and outside of it can create platforms to jump off from.
“o rly?? Dante can fire hundreds of bullets per second bro and give me some durability feats of the air shields”
I know. I don’t doubt that Rand and Richard will be slaughered seconds. As for durability, no shield in the series has ever fallen to applied force, they have all been either taken down by the caster or someone else.
“Well without it, Alucard’s basically balefire proof for the most part whereas Dante’s vulnerable to it.”
Well, it may destroy his body enough to count as a win.
“well durrability of the shields that richard uses and that he can protect rand with are very strong”
Rand’s shields cause the air to solidify.
“Well, it may destroy his body enough to count as a win.”
Alucard’s been turned into a puddle of blood before so no dice.
@ Lowk
Is an internal explosion capable of completely dismembering and spreading your corpse across twenty feet enough to kill Dante?
Everyone can use speedblitz but as always it’s the matter of who uses what and when. There’s always the chance in something as unprovable as this that the assumed losers win.
“heres a quote from the book of dante dodging lightning
“even as Mundus hurled all manner and death at dante from innumerable arms, Swords,arrows and,lightning all clattered around the silver haired warrior as he nimbly dodged with ease ” I didn’t think this would be this easy” dante laughed””
I love how your “quotes” change every time they appear, and that none of them gives has a page number/book title.
“-actually according to cannon no. they said he was non existent, but then said he existed in imaginary #s”
And where does it exist if no one remembers them?
“and also he stated himself that he had to kill the other souls to become self aware again…….that means he admitted to existing, because if you don’t exist, then you can’t do anything. unless their deffinition of existing is not the same as in real life….went through all of this in alucard vs richard rahl.”
Or he did it while not existing, thats like saying Superman can’t move at lightspeed because nothing but light could.
“As for durability, no shield in the series has ever fallen to applied force, they have all been either taken down by the caster or someone else.”
So what happenes to the person holding it if they get hit hard enough?
They remain rooted in place with no damage. The shields have never been applied to a mobile object or have ever moved in the stories Rand/Rahl would have to adjust it constantly in order to move.
“According to their canon they are not part of WoT, but according to WoT canon they are. Since those universes aren’t in this fight, it doesn’t really matter.”You just don’t get it do you?
There are infinite realities. That means there is a reality without threads and that means other realities possibly don’t as well. The canon is impossible it’s like the damn omnipotent fallacy. And when canon says all realities it means just all of their realities not other theirs
You still haven’t told us what team one can do don’t be vague and bring proof.
“Everyone can use speedblitz but as always it’s the matter of who uses what and when.”Everyone is bloodlusted.
““for the speed and strength part of a sword fight, i’ll need proof of what dante can do before i bring up richard’s stuff.””
Dante is hyperspeed his fight with Vergil proves it www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVtVkmTQbxY fighting so that they’re blocking the rain from getting them wet
“Is an internal explosion capable of completely dismembering and spreading your corpse across twenty feet enough to kill Dante?”
Probably. Has Rand shown the ability to do this and does it require anything to be preformed?
Then by that definition Laharl the entire area will fill with sub. magic, balefire, and other nasty contraptions because Rand and Rahl nigh instantly as team 1 uses everything up their sleeves and the other guys do their thing as well. The question still remains of who moves first.
“they appear, and that none of them gives has a page number/book title”
-pg153 devil may cry 2
“even as Mundus hurled all manner and death at dante from innumerable arms, Swords,arrows and,lightning all clattered around the silver haired warrior as he nimbly dodged with ease ” I didn’t think this would be this easy” dante laughed””
This is from the Devil May Cry 2 novel? Isn’t that contradictory in that case as Mundus was only in DMC1?
If Alucard is hit by Balefire then a variable amount of time of him killing off his souls would be taken away meaning he would not exist for a variable amount of time(the amount of time it would take for him to kill away the souls).
Then again, Alucard’s existing everywhere and nowhere ability would allow him to tele into Rand or Rahl’s mind or even just teleing close enough to deliver fatal attacks. I don’t think either of their reaction time is fast enough to beat instant teleporting and I believe that both Rahl and Rand are essentially human…
“Then by that definition Laharl the entire area will fill with sub. magic, balefire, and other nasty contraptions because Rand and Rahl nigh instantly as team 1 uses everything up their sleeves and the other guys do their thing as well. The question still remains of who moves first.”It’s one of the rules don’t gripe at me.
“Probably. Has Rand shown the ability to do this and does it require anything to be preformed?”
Yes, Rand can do this. It does not require anything special for him to do this. In fact, this is one of the standard weaves of Rand’s army of Asha’man.
“This is from the Devil May Cry 2 novel? Isn’t that contradictory in that case as Mundus was only in DMC1?”
Dante and beryl got sent. to a parallel universe where Trish was the bad guy and mundus generals were the good guys.. DMC 2. Dante took mundus out pretty easy
with the need of sparda’s sword